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This is like asking, what if ST would've surpassed Landry.

Doesn't matter because together they both would've been a force. So I've got no problem with Kerrigan surpassing Orakpo.

2 beastly OLBs? Even if one does end up better than the other? I'll take it.

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we won't let any key players go don't worry

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[quote=DynamiteRave;844517[B]]This is like asking, what if ST would've surpassed Landry.[/B]

Doesn't matter because together they both would've been a force. So I've got no problem with Kerrigan surpassing Orakpo.

2 beastly OLBs? Even if one does end up better than the other? I'll take it.[/quote]

Got that backwards, and wouldn't have happened. :)

As far as this argument goes, I agree with all, this is a great discussion to even have.

Thing is, these guys are going to be able to feed off of each other, reap the benefits of teams focusing on the other on particular plays, and be able to learn from each other for a long time.

Could not ask for more from these two. ALSO great level headed men as well with high character. Not going to get many Joey Porter comments from either of them or boneheaded articles like the ones from James Harrison. They also play aggressive but clean. What more could you ask for from our OLBs?

National media will be all over these two once we are good enough to warrant the attention again. Which may come sooner rather than later.

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[quote=budw38;844514]Im not sure about RAK's contract ( or Landry's ) , however , I heard that both Rocky and Fletcher are in their last years ? Two outstanding players in Rak / Kerrigan , if we were to find a young Seymour / Ngata , we would be Dominant . By the way , nice games on Sunday cowgirls and iggles :)[/quote]

We can get at least 4 good years out of Cofield. He is only 28.

Jenkins, is our future as well at end and a rotational NT, Jenkins with Cofield(28) and Bowen(28) is going to be our line for the coming years. NOT to shabby if you ask me. Comparable to the good ones in the NFL for sure.

We also may have a Gnata type in Neild, I kinda doubt it but ya never know. I think he is more of a good depth player.

I would assume that we resign Fletch to a short deal, Rak and Landry should both be extended (with the new rules in signing draft picks there is money to go around, Landry may not get a big deal from us if he can't stay healthy), and damn I would love to resign Rocky but he is playing great and may want to test FA after the year.

We are going to have to sign one of the middle backers before next year as you dont want to take a strength in our team right now. AND replace two of the pieces.

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[quote=budw38;844514]Im not sure about RAK's contract ( or Landry's ) , however , I heard that both Rocky and Fletcher are in their last years ? Two outstanding players in Rak / Kerrigan , if we were to find a young Seymour / Ngata , we would be Dominant . By the way , nice games on Sunday cowgirls and iggles :)[/quote]

That's were Jarvis Jenkins comes into the picture.

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Orakpo, Kerrigan and Fletch could all make the PB

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[quote=skinsfaninok;844558]Orakpo, Kerrigan and Fletch could all make the PB[/quote]

Bowen is starting to warm up and Cofield has been solid, they are also a big part of the success Orakpo and Kerrigan are having. They do the dirty work, while the other 2 get the glory.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;844536]We can get at least 4 good years out of Cofield. He is only 28.

Jenkins, is our future as well at end and a rotational NT, Jenkins with Cofield(28) and Bowen(28) is going to be our line for the coming years. NOT to shabby if you ask me. Comparable to the good ones in the NFL for sure.

We also may have a [B]Gnata[/B] type in Neild, I kinda doubt it but ya never know. I think he is more of a good depth player.

I would assume that we resign Fletch to a short deal, Rak and Landry should both be extended (with the new rules in signing draft picks there is money to go around, Landry may not get a big deal from us if he can't stay healthy), and damn I would love to resign Rocky but he is playing great and may want to test FA after the year.

We are going to have to sign one of the middle backers before next year as you dont want to take a strength in our team right now. AND replace two of the pieces.[/quote]

Say hello to Haloti Gnata :)

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lol....I knew I would misspell his name! :)~

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Not that it matters much, but doesnt Orakpo usually take on the Left tackle more often than not? Just saying that because usually, the LT is the better blocker, which could be one of the reasons that Kerrigan is getting alot of numbers. Line Osackpo up on the left hand side, and he would prolly have the same effect that Kerrigan has been having.


Both are awesome for sure.

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I could see that happening.

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[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/10/04/Bucs/index.html?sct=nfl_wr_a1]LeGarrette Blount is proving his worth to Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Peter King - SI.com[/url]

Peter King:
Kerrigan is defensive rookie of the year after four weeks.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;844861][url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/10/04/Bucs/index.html?sct=nfl_wr_a1]LeGarrette Blount is proving his worth to Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Peter King - SI.com[/url]

Peter King:
Kerrigan is defensive rookie of the year after four weeks.[/quote]

Wasn't he a rookie last year? What is Petey smoking?

Re: Your thoughts of the possibility of Kerrigan "surpassing" Orakpo
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;844909]Wasn't he a rookie last year? What is Petey smoking?[/quote]
????

Re: Your thoughts of the possibility of Kerrigan "surpassing" Orakpo
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;844910]????[/quote]

I thought he was referring to L. Blount, my bad.

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If Kerrigan surpasses Orakpo, he will be entering rarified air among the very, very best pass rushers in the league. Each makes the other better since opposing defenses must account for both on every play. I would argue that they are as impactful a duo as Harrison and Woodley for Pittsburgh.

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Interesting reader question on King's article. I don't want to create a brand new thread on it..



ON CALVIN JOHNSON. "Thanks for your column. It's not officially Monday for me until I've read it. Here's my question: Calvin Johnson was certainly unstoppable yesterday. I'm wondering why, on goal-line plays, coaches don't occasionally defend big receivers like Johnson with a big receiver from their own team? Doesn't somebody like Dez Bryant have a better chance of beating Johnson on a "jump ball" pass?'' -- Ryan Reed, Bowling Green, Ky.

Thank you for the kind words, Ryan. I hadn't thought of that strategy, but you could be right. In a Houston-Detroit game, for instance, I'd love to see Andre Johnson as the deep safety on a big play at the end of a game, to battle Calvin Johnson on a deep throw. I know coaches would shy away from it for a number of reasons, including fear of injury, but on the biggest play of the game, why not do it?

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[quote=hooskins;844990]Interesting reader question on King's article. I don't want to create a brand new thread on it..



ON CALVIN JOHNSON. "Thanks for your column. It's not officially Monday for me until I've read it. Here's my question: Calvin Johnson was certainly unstoppable yesterday. I'm wondering why, on goal-line plays, coaches don't occasionally defend big receivers like Johnson with a big receiver from their own team? Doesn't somebody like Dez Bryant have a better chance of beating Johnson on a "jump ball" pass?'' -- Ryan Reed, Bowling Green, Ky.

Thank you for the kind words, Ryan. I hadn't thought of that strategy, but you could be right. In a Houston-Detroit game, for instance, I'd love to see Andre Johnson as the deep safety on a big play at the end of a game, to battle Calvin Johnson on a deep throw. I know coaches would shy away from it for a number of reasons, including fear of injury, but on the biggest play of the game, why not do it?[/quote]

I wonder if with the rise of these tall dominant receivers (A. Johnson, Megatron, Dez Bryant), next offseason there will be a demand for tall CBs. Sometimes when these small CBs go up against a tall WR, it looks like a child trying to guard an adult.

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[quote=Ruhskins;844997]I wonder if with the rise of these tall dominant receivers (A. Johnson, Megatron, Dez Bryant), next offseason there will be a demand for tall CBs. Sometimes when these small CBs go up against a tall WR, it looks like a child trying to guard an adult.[/quote]

Dez Bryant doesnt deserve for his name to be in the same sentence as A. Johnson and Megatron. Guy has done zero

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[quote=Chico23231;845004]Dez Bryant doesnt deserve for his name to be in the same sentence as A. Johnson and Megatron. Guy has done zero[/quote]


I agree Dez Bryant is the Paris Hilton of the NFL. Everyone knows his name but he has not done jack crap.

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[quote=Chico23231;845004]Dez Bryant doesnt deserve for his name to be in the same sentence as A. Johnson and Megatron. Guy has done zero[/quote]

Well you would have a point if we were talking about who is the best wide receiver this seasons or in the past couple of seasons, etc., etc. However, my point was to give examples of WRs that have the ability to go up and grab a pass at a point that it is difficult for a small CB to defend.

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Kerrigan = big motor, Rak = big ability. Both are beasts, but my gut is Kerrigan outplays his physical talent by being smart / being relentless. Some of his plays are on second efforts and recognizing throwing situations, etc. Both in ProBowl for years to come.


More important than this argument is -- the success draft/FA. I'm VERY pleased at all the hits on our new players, as well as getting more out of the existing players. A far cry from seeing Portis sip cocktails with Snyder. The big misses on McNabb and struggles with Haynesworth are long forgotten.

If Shanny keeps this up, we're definitely competing for the SB in 2 years. Currently we're 3-1, but can't see us competing with teams like Green Bay yet - but with a better offense anything is possible.

Draft 2012 Priorities:
1) QB - MLB
2) Oline - secondary

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[quote=ethat001;845169]Kerrigan = big motor, Rak = big ability. Both are beasts, but my gut is Kerrigan outplays his physical talent by being smart / being relentless. Some of his plays are on second efforts and recognizing throwing situations, etc. Both in ProBowl for years to come.


More important than this argument is -- the success draft/FA. I'm VERY pleased at all the hits on our new players, as well as getting more out of the existing players. A far cry from seeing Portis sip cocktails with Snyder. The big misses on McNabb and struggles with Haynesworth are long forgotten.

If Shanny keeps this up, we're definitely competing for the SB in 2 years. Currently we're 3-1, but can't see us competing with teams like Green Bay yet - but with a better offense anything is possible.

Draft 2012 Priorities:
[B]1) QB - MLB
2) Oline - secondary[/B][/quote]

yeah, I agree with that, but not the order. I think QB and CB are more important than MLB and OLine. MLB is a need, but not a big one, with Rocky showing that he's worth keeping and the ageless london fletcher still there. I think we can milk out one more year with London. The only MLB I'd take is Burfict. Where as next year you have Barkley, Cousins, Foles, Robert Griffin, and Landry Jones coming out as your QB's. CB is a need, and there are some great CB's in this class as well. Cliff Harris of oregon, Gilmore South Carolina, Hosely of VT, Claiborne for LSU, Dennard for Nebraska, Jenkins who was on Florida but is now with North Alabama, and Dre Kirkpatrick.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;845170]yeah, I agree with that, but not the order. I think QB and CB are more important than MLB and OLine. MLB is a need, but not a big one, with Rocky showing that he's worth keeping and the ageless london fletcher still there. I think we can milk out one more year with London. The only MLB I'd take is Burfict. Where as next year you have Barkley, Cousins, Foles, Robert Griffin, and Landry Jones coming out as your QB's. CB is a need, and there are some great CB's in this class as well. Cliff Harris of oregon, Gilmore South Carolina, Hosely of VT, Claiborne for LSU, Dennard for Nebraska, Jenkins who was on Florida but is now with North Alabama, and Dre Kirkpatrick.[/quote]

Did you purposely leave Luck off of that list since it does not look like there is any chance we get him?

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[quote=Jontrem;845189]Did you purposely leave Luck off of that list since it does not look like there is any chance we get him?[/quote]

yep. Face it the lowest he goes is #2 if a team like St. Louis picks first. He can probably tear his ACL or throw picks for the rest of the year and still be a first rounder. He's just that much of a lock. We'd have to lose out all our games to get him...and that still may not be enough. So yes I left him off for an obvious reason.

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Since we are talking about that side of the ball.....

did any of you hear the Sports Junkies talking about statistics either yesterday or the day before? The Redskins right now have a #3 ranked defense. Obviously it will change some when we start with our hardest part of our schedule, but they said teams that have a top 8 defense get to the pale-offs 90% of the time. Teams with a top 5 defense get to the pale-offs 100% of the time.

They also pointed out that the Skins have 5 difficult games to play yet and 4 games which should be somewhat easy or atleast they should win. I'm not saying they are SB bound for those who will choose to twist my words, I'm simply saying they have a good chance to make the play-offs and hopefully next year.... year 3 for the coaching staff, they can make the big run at the SB. If the team does better then expected this year then awesome.

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pale-offs?

Is that like a beer competition?

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[quote=Mattyk;845261]pale-offs?

Is that like a beer competition?[/quote]

Purposefull mispelling. I thought it was on this board maybe elsewhere, there was a thread "The pale offs are now". or something to that effect. Supposed to be funny.

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Ah.

:Flush:

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[quote=Mattyk;845265]Ah.

:Flush:[/quote]

It's an ES thing.

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[quote=SBXVII;845252]Since we are talking about that side of the ball.....

did any of you hear the [B]Sports Junkies[/B] talking about statistics either yesterday or the day before? The Redskins right now have a [B]#3 ranked [/B]defense. Obviously it will change some when we start with our hardest part of our schedule, but they said teams that have a top 8 defense get to the pale-offs 90% of the time. Teams with a top 5 defense get to the pale-offs 100% of the time.

They also pointed out that the Skins have 5 difficult games to play yet and 4 games which should be somewhat easy or atleast they should win. I'm not saying they are SB bound for those who will choose to twist my words, I'm simply saying they have a good chance to make the play-offs and hopefully next year.... year 3 for the coaching staff, they can make the big run at the SB. If the team does better then expected this year then awesome.[/quote]

First off, when you start by saying the junkies said, your already wrong. Those guys are fun as hell to listen too, but they are so dumb when it comes to life. If they said what you just posted that they have the number 3 ranked D in the league, their wrong. It's 5th. We're third in scoring defense though if thats what they meant.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;845309]First off, when you start by saying the junkies said, your already wrong. Those guys are fun as hell to listen too, but they are so dumb when it comes to life. If they said what you just posted that they have the number 3 ranked D in the league, their wrong. It's 5th. We're third in scoring defense though if thats what they meant.[/quote]

Yes they confused everyone with the whole subject but in the end we are a top 5 defense. Top 8 has a 90% chance of making the play offs. Having said that they also pointed out that the Skins are only 4 games in and a long road to go with some tough teams.

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[quote=SBXVII;845313]Yes they confused everyone with the whole subject but in the end we are a top 5 defense. Top 8 has a 90% chance of making the play offs. Having said that they also pointed out that the Skins are only 4 games in and a long road to go with some tough teams.[/quote]

Yep December will be especially tough.

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[quote=Mattyk;845261]pale-offs?

Is that like a beer competition?[/quote]

No, its like when the Redskins kill off all the pale faces.

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[quote=Hog1;843973]Actually Kerrigan is making Rak better as he draws more respect and blocking to slow him down. AND Rak will give supreme effort to keep up with Kerrigan. They are a ferocious duo and Rak was a monster today...
Tremendous Defensive unit this year...Cannot wait to see what happens next offseason with aquisitions...FA's and Jarvis Jenkins coming back[/quote]

[url=http://www.redskins101.com/2011/10/07/washington-redskins-defense-ranked-fifth-in-the-nfl/]Washington Redskins Defense Ranked Fifth in the NFL | Redskins 101[/url]

Re: Your thoughts of the possibility of Kerrigan "surpassing" Orakpo
 

I'm coming to the conclusion that Kerrigan is the better player of the two. They both have unbelievable motors, but Kerrigan seems to use his physical strength more effectively, while Rak tries to rely on speed to get around the edge, but rarely seems to beat good tackles. I heard a stat that boggles my mind - Rak only has half a sack against NFC East competition [I]in his career[/I]. I would be very curious to see the result if Haslett had Orakpo and Kerrigan switch sides.

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At this point I'm leaning towards Kerrigan being the better player. Orakpo is good, but not great. Kerrigan looks to me like he'll be great. Time will tell, but he's certainly headed in the right direction. Kid is a monster.

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Everyone bitches about Orakpo this, Orakpo that. My question is: what is/where is Cofield?

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Kerrackpo + DJ Gomes + Hall + Wilson + Otogwe + Coefield + Weild + Bowen + Jenkins = STRONG DEFENSE IN 2012 ..WE JUST NEED OFFENSE TO CATCH UP, SIMPLY PUT A FRANCHISE QB

Re: Your thoughts of the possibility of Kerrigan "surpassing" Orakpo
 

Couldn't watch the game today, but as recently as two weeks ago I came to the same conclusion. Kerrigan plays the run so much better than Orakpo. Orakpo looks at the run as something he has to put up with in order to rush the passer, and Kerrigan takes both seriously. Plus Kerrigan is definitely more effective, he already has more sacks in his career against NFCE opponents than Orakpo does in his career.