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[quote=skinsfaninok;854475]You guys are way too high on Landry Jones he's not even close to a Bradford or a Ryan, more like a flacco.. He's not very mobile and if u move him out of the pocket he struggles[/quote]

This.

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Anyone want to trade for Tim Tebow?

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Just a quick highjack... Thought I'd up date everyone, I had previously spread word I am due to have my first kid. We found out tonight we are having a boy!! Get ready for the #1 pick by the Redskins in the 2034 draft!!! HTTR!

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[quote=SkinzWin;854513]Just a quick highjack... Thought I'd up date everyone, I had previously spread word I am due to have my first kid. We found out tonight we are having a boy!! Get ready for the #1 pick by the Redskins in the 2034 draft!!! HTTR![/quote]

Hey congrats man that's great!

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[quote=SkinzWin;854513]Just a quick highjack... Thought I'd up date everyone, I had previously spread word I am due to have my first kid. We found out tonight we are having a boy!! Get ready for the #1 pick by the Redskins in the 2034 draft!!! HTTR![/quote]
Hope he doesn't become a cowboys fan!! Congrats!

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This team needs a traditional type QB, how often is a Michael Vick type athletic QB become successful?

Andrew Luck
Matt Barkley
Nick Foles
Kellen Moore
Kirk Cousins

I think these 5 will be successful NFL QB's.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;854518]This team needs a traditional type QB, how often is a Michael Vick type athletic QB become successful?

Andrew Luck
Matt Barkley
Nick Foles
Kellen Moore
Kirk Cousins

I think these 5 will be successful NFL QB's.[/quote]

Historically speaking, it would be highly unlikely for all 5 of those guys to become successful starters in the NFL. I consider Luck to this point out of the picture, but I really want either Jones or Barkley. Both have their smaller issues that are nit-picked because they arent Andrew Luck, but both will be strong NFL players. I think of this draft being like the 2004 draft of Eli, Big Ben, and Phillip Rivers.

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[quote=GMScud;854453]Wait, what? Earlier you were giving me a hard time in the position of need thread for saying I liked Landry Jones over RG3.... I'm confused. Or maybe you're confused.[/quote]
I believe Landry Jones will be a good qb, but i believe that RG3 is more mobile and more accurate passing the football than both Jones and Barkley.

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[quote=mbedner3420;854476]I'd rather have landry jones. RG3 probably won't be coming out this year[/quote]

He more than likely will be coming out this year since he already has his degree and a lot of guys he's playing with now are seniors. Do you really think he wants to risk hurting his draft stock by coming back and playing with underclassmen? That wouldn't be smart.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;854518]This team needs a traditional type QB, how often is a Michael Vick type athletic QB become successful?

Andrew Luck
Matt Barkley
Nick Foles
Kellen Moore
Kirk Cousins

I think these 5 will be successful NFL QB's.[/quote] The only thing that Michael Vick and RG3 have in common is they are both black. RG3 is a much better passer than Michael Vick ever was. Yes, he has great mobility but he's a pass first qb. He just has the ability to make big runs if there is nothing open.

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[quote=Landry44;854524]I believe Landry Jones will be a good qb, but i believe that RG3 is more mobile and more accurate passing the football than both Jones and Barkley.[/quote]

You're talking in circles. After you criticized me for saying I liked Jones over RG3, you then say Jones is[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/44776-2012-qb-class-2.html#post850941"] the #2 QB in the draft behind Luck[/URL] , but now RG3 is once again better than Jones and Barkley? Make up your mind.

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[quote=GMScud;854530]You're talking in circles. After you criticized me for saying I liked Jones over RG3, you then say Jones is[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/44776-2012-qb-class-2.html#post850941"] the #2 QB in the draft behind Luck[/URL] , but now RG3 is once again better than Jones and Barkley? Make up your mind.[/quote]
What is so confusing about what I'm saying? Landry Jones and Matt Barkley are both very good qbs, but RG3 is a better fit for what we do here. He's more accurate and more mobile than both Jones and Barkley. Do you disagree? If you disagree then you're only exposing your lack of football knowledge. If you agree then what are we talking about here?

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I've seen RG3 play and he's a better passer than some think BUT I'd rather have Barkely

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[quote=Landry44;854533]What is so confusing about what I'm saying? Landry Jones and Matt Barkley are both very good qbs, [B]but RG3 is a better fit for what we do here.[/B] He's more accurate and more mobile than both Jones and Barkley. Do you disagree? If you disagree then you're only exposing your lack of football knowledge. If you agree then what are we talking about here?[/quote]

What exactly do "we do here?" The Shanny's inherited a mobile QB who was entrenched with this team (Campbell) and immediately shipped him off. Then we traded important picks for another mobile and accomplished QB and proceeded to give up on him pretty quickly (McNabb). Then Mike "stakes his reputation" on two different QBs, one immobile and and one mobile, neither of which look like anything to write home about.

So it seems to me that "what we do here" is irrelevant really. We don't do anything as far as the QB position is concerned. Kyle had a pretty darn good offense in Houston with Matt Schaub. He's not RG3 as far as athleticism is concerned. So in my eyes, if you feel Jones is a better pro prospect than RG3 in a vacuum (which I do, too), that's the guy we go with.

And like I said before, RG3 is accurate, but padding stats against Rice and Stephen F. Austin while Jones is shredding Texas Tech and K State doesn't really wow me. I wouldn't be surprised if RG3 goes back to school for another year. He'll be a much higher pick than if he comes out after this season.

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I have no clue what this team is wanting to do anymore, I mean if u throw beck and grossman out there which means what? Just trying to get through the season w 4-5 wins? That's what it looks like now

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[quote=GMScud;854536]What exactly do "we do here?" The Shanny's inherited a mobile QB who was entrenched with this team (Campbell) and immediately shipped him off. Then we traded important picks for another mobile and accomplished QB and proceeded to give up on him pretty quickly (McNabb). Then Mike "stakes his reputation" on two different QBs, one immobile and and one mobile, neither of which look like anything to write home about.

So it seems to me that "what we do here" is irrelevant really. We don't do anything as far as the QB position is concerned. Kyle had a pretty darn good offense in Houston with Matt Schaub. He's not RG3 as far as athleticism is concerned. So in my eyes, if you feel Jones is a better pro prospect than RG3 in a vacuum (which I do, too), that's the guy we go with.

And like I said before, RG3 is accurate, but padding stats against Rice and Stephen F. Austin while Jones is shredding Texas Tech and K State doesn't really wow me. I wouldn't be surprised if RG3 goes back to school for another year. He'll be a much higher pick than if he comes out after this season.[/quote]
This proves that you don't watch college football or you don't understand it. You keep bring up the fact that RG3 had incredible games against Stephen F. Austin and Rice. You completely dismissing his 350 yard 5td performance against K State. He threw for 400 yards against both Texas A&M and OKST this Saturday even though his team was completely over matched. I'm not taking anything away from Landry Jones because I believe he is indeed a great qb. However, lets be real every Oklahoma qb puts up big numbers. He's playing for a much better team with better talent on both sides of the ball. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

What sense would it make for RG3 to come back to school? He's already been there for 4 years, he has his degree, and most of the guys he's playing with are seniors. It would be stupid for him to come back definitely with his draft stock rising the way it is. More than likely he'll declare this up and coming draft. If he's there when it's our time to pick we take him.

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Landry44- you have absolutely no idea what you're even arguing. It's hilarious and you look foolish, so I encourage you to just stop. You've got a chubby for RG3. We get it. All I ever said is that I'd prefer to have Barkley or Jones as a Redskin. That's it. And then you agreed!! What the hell are you even saying? I never once said Jones was more mobile or had a better comp % than Griffith. Yet for some reason you insist on beating me over the head with it? Huh?

Seems to me your MO is to just come on here brag about how much college football knowledge you think you have. It's weak man.

Way to conveniently ignore my points about "what we do here," etc.

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So, not being a college FB fan, I won't make an argument about any of the qb's. I am absolutely confused by Landry44's arguments tho'. So this is mainly to you collegeFBguy:

BigC stated early on, he preferred RGIII to Landry Jones because RGIII is a better fit for what we do here. You said he(BigC) obviously doesn't watch college FB after Lotus asked why not Landry Jones.

Then later you are saying RGIII fits better here than LJ because of what we do, and say GMScud obviously has no collegeFB IQ because he prefers LJ.

Seems like you reversed your position 100%, but maybe not, I just couldn't follow your arguments, so I was hoping you could clarify your thoughts for me (a non-collegeFBguy).

Also, for me, I am just really glad that there seems to be many qb's that will be available next draft.

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RGIII probably wont even come out this year as SS has stated. Regardless, both RGIII and Landry are very talented guys, 1st round guys. If you want the best QB prospect are you willing to pay the price, Im saying yes. Luck will be worth it.

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Moore, RG3, and Barkley talk is a moot point. We are giving up 4 1st round picks to trade up to take Luck!!! DUH

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;854600]So, not being a college FB fan, I won't make an argument about any of the qb's. I am absolutely confused by Landry44's arguments tho'. So this is mainly to you collegeFBguy:

BigC stated early on, he preferred RGIII to Landry Jones because RGIII is a better fit for what we do here. You said he(BigC) obviously doesn't watch college FB after Lotus asked why not Landry Jones.

Then later you are saying RGIII fits better here than LJ because of what we do, and say GMScud obviously has no collegeFB IQ because he prefers LJ.

Seems like you reversed your position 100%, but maybe not, I just couldn't follow your arguments, so I was hoping you could clarify your thoughts for me (a non-collegeFBguy).

Also, for me, I am just really glad that there seems to be many qb's that will be available next draft.[/quote]
LMAO! I never reversed my position. Someone on here said, I'm not sure who, "I'm not sold on Landry Jones." Landry Jones is a great qb and I not once said that he wasn't. I never reversed my position on that. All I'm saying is that I believe that RG3 is a better fit for what we do here based on his mobility and accuracy. Now if I had said that I was no longer sold on Landry Jones then you would have a point.

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[quote=Landry44;854656]LMAO! I never reversed my position. Someone on here said, I'm not sure who, "I'm not sold on Landry Jones." Landry Jones is a great qb and I not once said that he wasn't. I never reversed my position on that. All I'm saying is that I believe that RG3 is a better fit for what we do here based on his mobility and accuracy. Now if I had said that I was no longer sold on Landry Jones then you would have a point.[/quote]

Gotcha. Here is, maybe, a consideration for you. Rather than question a person's entire college FB knowledge in a post, discuss it. Here is the original post from Big C:
[quote=Big C;849651]not sold on landry jones as an elite prospect. like i said RGIII is my favorite and i think he would fit perfectly in our system. accurate, a leader, and extremely mobile. plus he just keeps getting better. kellen moore would be good too, regardless of arm strength issues. hes smart, reads the game well, is extremely accurate, a winner, and has a quick release.

tannehill is a good shout, but i dont know about top 3.[/quote]
to which you said (in response to Lotus - not displayed here) :
[quote=Landry44;850230][B]Because he obviously don't know anything about football[/B]. Landry Jones is the second best qb in this draft.[/quote]
But yet in your statement to GMScud, you are in agreement with BigC's second statement which is a well worded brief description of why he likes RGIII.

[quote=Landry44;854533]What is so confusing about what I'm saying? Landry Jones and Matt Barkley are both very good qbs, but RG3 is a better fit for what we do here. He's more accurate and more mobile than both Jones and Barkley. Do you disagree? If you disagree then [B]you're only exposing your lack of football knowledge[/B]. If you agree then what are we talking about here?[/quote]

So if you agree with BigC's overall point that RGIII fits better here, then maybe Big C has some reasonable CFB knowledge, and if you agree LJ is the 2nd best QB in the draft, then maybe GMScud has reasonable CFB knowledge, and you simply disagree with parts of each of their assessments.
Again, the point is rather than attacking knowledgeable fans of CFB, why not simply discuss the areas you disagree?

No one here is psychic, and most of us are simply having discussions about what we see based on our history and background knowledge, and we have the discussions because we all have a common interest in seeing the Redskins be the best team in the league year in and year out.

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CRedskinsRule, for the win.

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Outstanding job CRed!

We should spend less time around here accusing others of ignorance and more time understanding the opinions of others, even if they differ from ours.

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I really want the Redskins to draft a QB, but only if he's caucasion. I don't care about all that talent or intangible nonsense :D

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[quote=Dirtbag59;854683]I really want the Redskins to draft a QB, but only if he's [B]caucasion[/B]. I don't care about all that talent or intangible nonsense :D[/quote]

What does this mean, a white guy that gets concussions? Like this guy?

[IMG]http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/arash_markazi/04/23/concussion.summit/p1_aikman.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Ruhskins;854711]What does this mean, a white guy that gets concussions? Like this guy?

[IMG]http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/arash_markazi/04/23/concussion.summit/p1_aikman.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

I'm an inbred white guy. To expect me to spell the politically correct term for kracker is expecting to much.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;854715]I'm an inbred white guy. To expect me to spell the politically correct term for kracker is expecting to much.[/quote]

:lol:

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;854674]Gotcha. Here is, maybe, a consideration for you. Rather than question a person's entire college FB knowledge in a post, discuss it. Here is the original post from Big C:

to which you said (in response to Lotus - not displayed here) :

But yet in your statement to GMScud, you are in agreement with BigC's second statement which is a well worded brief description of why he likes RGIII.



So if you agree with BigC's overall point that RGIII fits better here, then maybe Big C has some reasonable CFB knowledge, and if you agree LJ is the 2nd best QB in the draft, then maybe GMScud has reasonable CFB knowledge, and you simply disagree with parts of each of their assessments.
Again, the point is rather than attacking knowledgeable fans of CFB, why not simply discuss the areas you disagree?

No one here is psychic, and most of us are simply having discussions about what we see based on our history and background knowledge, and we have the discussions because we all have a common interest in seeing the Redskins be the best team in the league year in and year out.[/quote]

My man "C" is one cool MoFo. :cool-smil

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[quote=Dirtbag59;854683]I really want the Redskins to draft a QB, but only if he's caucasion. I don't care about all that talent or intangible nonsense :D[/quote]

I agree. The last and only Black QB to win a super bowl...Doug Williams.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;854727]I agree. The last and only Black QB to win a super bowl...Doug Williams.[/quote]

Considering the number of black QB's to white QB's over the years....is that surprising?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;854727]I agree. The last and only Black QB to win a super bowl...Doug Williams.[/quote]

Uh, I think Dirtbag was being sarcastic.

There's a negative word for judging QB's based on skin color and that word begins with an "r."

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[quote=Lotus;854735]Uh, I think Dirtbag was being sarcastic.

There's a negative word for judging QB's based on skin color and that word begins with an "r."[/quote]

Yeah, Realistic.


[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/blog?name=nfl_draft&id=7177044&_slug_=2012-nfl-draft-kellen-moore-case-keenum-face-big-questions&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fblog%3fname%3dnfl_draft%26id%3d7177044%26_slug_%3d2012-nfl-draft-kellen-moore-case-keenum-face-big-questions]2012 NFL draft -- Kellen Moore, Case Keenum face big questions - ESPN[/url]

can someone whose an insider copy and paste this article for me.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;854738]Yeah, Realistic.


[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/blog?name=nfl_draft&id=7177044&_slug_=2012-nfl-draft-kellen-moore-case-keenum-face-big-questions&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fblog%3fname%3dnfl_draft%26id%3d7177044%26_slug_%3d2012-nfl-draft-kellen-moore-case-keenum-face-big-questions]2012 NFL draft -- Kellen Moore, Case Keenum face big questions - ESPN[/url]

can someone whose an insider copy and paste this article for me.[/quote]

The "r" word we were looking for was "racist."

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Hold on! Did he just say judging a QB by the color of their skin is realistic?

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You know, when it's late and you only read the last page of posts you often wonder ... Has everyone really and truly lost their minds? Color of skin and QB'ing? Didn't James Harris put this to bed ages ago?!

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[quote=SmootSmack;854743]Hold on! Did he just say judging a QB by the color of their skin is realistic?[/quote]

Yes he did.

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Here's our answer!

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[quote=SmootSmack;854743]Hold on! Did he just say judging a QB by the color of their skin is realistic?[/quote]

Yes. Yes he did.