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Dude was banned from bringing kids to campus...and apparently no one thought that was odd

After hearing it in more vivid details today what happened that day in the showers, I wouldn't mind if they walked the whole lot of them out in shackles. Screw the BS college football coach prestige. The weakest man in the world sees that and immediately grabs a bat and just sees red on Sandusky for about 2 minutes, then directly calls the cops. And this dude just walks away and lets it continue and tells daddy Paterno the next day. Unreal.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7209890/penn-state-nittany-lions-name-committee-review-sex-abuse-scandal]Penn State Nittany Lions to name committee to review sex-abuse scandal - ESPN[/url]

In other words. They are putting on some farce "investigation" to buy Joe Paterno enough time to finish the season. They aren't going to fire him most likely. If I had a kid that played at Penn State, he wouldn't play another game for Joe Paterno. In fact, how in the hell can they let that guy go out there and coach Saturday?

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Really? 40 counts of sexual misconduct? Adopted kids at home? And he gets bail?

[quote]Sandusky is currently free on $100,000 bail.
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[quote=NC_Skins;857320][url=http://tracking.si.com/2011/11/09/joe-paterno-addresses-fans-outside-his-house/]Joe Paterno Addresses Fans Outside His House | SI Tracking Blog – Tracking the MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, and NCAA On Twitter[/url]


How can those idiots be chanting and supporting this dude?...lol[/quote]

Joe Pa stayed true to the "stop snitchin" movement. Thats earned him some street cred.
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[quote]LL_Cool_Kris KANE
how this shit turn on Joe Pa he ain't do shit so y da news all on him. He not no Snitch and he minded his business #watdaproblem
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[quote]2cup_SHAWTY Black Zuckerberg
Btw so now y'all want ppl to snitch? Y'all hypocritical as **** to be mad at Joe Pa but always hollin "don't snitch"
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[quote]Id_Hate_Me_T00 JONATHAN STAFFORD
so im guessing everybody mad at joe pa cuz he didnt snitch?
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This ones just a joke.
[quote]SoleFood SoleFood
My boy just texed me that Joe Pa is from the era where coaches don't snitch.
3 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply[/quote]

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wow Matt Millen, anyone see that? Said a lot bad things bout Millen, that dude is hurting, feel for the guy. I wonder if Joe Pa has any clue?

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[quote=Chico23231;857469]wow Matt Millen, anyone see that? Said a lot bad things bout Millen, that dude is hurting, feel for the guy. I wonder if Joe Pa has any clue?[/quote]


On ESPN? I saw that interview/speech by him, he came to tears at one point. The whole thing is very sad for all parties involved.

When a child is abused like that it creates a awful ripple effect in the lives it ruins.

Ever watch Intervention? A lot of the times, I say 6 out of 10 times, the addict has a history of sexual abuse and is using drugs/alcohol to mask that pain and their addiction is destroying the family unit as well all from the selfish act of the sexual predator.

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He's resigning at season's end. He seems to be dressing this up as some sort of punishment for himself, when I think many expected that this would be his last season anyway. It almost seems preemptive on his part, as a way to subvert a mid-season firing. Fail.

[url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7211281/penn-state-nittany-lions-joe-paterno-retire-end-season]Penn State Nittany Lions' Joe Paterno to retire at end of season - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=BringBackJoeT;857477]He's resigning at season's end. He seems to be dressing this up as some sort of punishment for himself, when I think many expected that this would be his last season anyway. It almost seems preemptive on his part, as a way to subvert a mid-season firing. Fail.

[URL="http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7211281/penn-state-nittany-lions-joe-paterno-retire-end-season"]Penn State Nittany Lions' Joe Paterno to retire at end of season - ESPN[/URL][/quote]


I think he needs to step down now, F this end of season crap.

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Even now the handling of the situation by the university is sickening. Joe and everyone that was involved should be shown the door immediately.

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Even now, the school still decides the money is bigger than the issues they are currently facing. You want to know why this kind of corruption and sickening behavior angers me? Here you go. Nobody cares, especially the people that should.

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[quote=saden1;857480]Even now the handling of the situation by the university is sickening. Joe and everyone that was involved should be shown the door immediately.[/quote]


Agreed.


I wish the student body would take a stand or show some sort displeasure on Saturday during the game that the school is handling this wrong. they won't though becasue they are all so brain washed there. Those people supporting him at his house last night? WTF????

IT be great if everyone boycotted the game, won't happen but it be great.

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[quote=saden1;857480]Even now the handling of the situation by the university is sickening. Joe and everyone that was involved should be shown the door immediately.[/quote]

Yup. It's amazing. The story is out, yet they still don't know how to act. F that end of season, retirement, etc. crap. Let him go now. If you're a player in that lockerroom, and lets say hypothetically one of them was sexually abused as a youngster, how could you look at your coach knowing that he knew things like that were happening and he let it continue?

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Agree, he should step down immediately, but I kinda felt this is how it would end.

Dont blame Joe Pa, blame the Penn State Molester U. and Admin with not having the balls to take a stance against this kinda behavior. Kinda sickening, and I believe Molester State University did everything in its power to protect Paterno from the authorities. Again its sickening.

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Im actually physically angry he is allowed to go out like a damn king. Cant believe short sightness of the institution, is anybody thinking of the pain of the victims?

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[quote=Chico23231;857489]Im actually physically angry he is allowed to go out like a damn king. Cant believe short sightness of the institution, is anybody thinking of the pain of the victims?[/quote]

Not at Penn State apparently. I'm assuming they value money more than human life.

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[url=http://www.psu.edu/trustees/]Penn State University - Board of Trustees[/url]


Send them emails. I plan on doing so.



[QUOTE]Dear PSU Board of Trustees,

I’m here to let you know how pathetic it is to allow Joe Paterno to finish out the year as the PSU football coach. You are basically thumbing your noses at the victims by allowing this man, who helped enabled Sandusky molest children, to continue representing your school’s football program. It’s a shame you guys have chosen big money football over what’s right. For this, I could never see your institution as respectable, and I would never allow my children to attend or play for your university. Joe Paterno’s exit should have been immediate, along with the other people who knew and continued to do nothing. There is absolutely no excuse for his inactions, regardless if he filled his “legal obligations”. He had a duty to the kids, to the community, and to the university to do much more, but he chose to look the other way. Even now, you guys could help repair what’s been done and do the right thing, yet you continue to look the other way by allowing him to finish the season. Those kids deserved more from Joe Paterno and your school.
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Great example of the PSU brain washing, seriously how can you cheer for this guy?

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7JXoXdIJQ7I#]Joe addresses fans - YouTube[/url]!

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[quote=NC_Skins;857494][url=http://www.psu.edu/trustees/]Penn State University - Board of Trustees[/url]


Send them emails. I plan on doing so.[/quote]

Done and done. I doubt it will get read, or I'll get a personal reply, but it's better than doing nothing.

[quote=myself]
Dear BoT,

I find it highly offensive that you would continue to retain a coach who apparently thought it best to not inform the police that his former defensive coordinator was raping children, especially after multiple signs it was continuing to happen. The fact that you guys haven't immediately thought about dismissing him shows that your bottom line is money, and not the kids who have experienced serious trauma at the hands of someone who they trusted.

Personally, I hope that anybody who knew anything about what was happening before the story broke is let go immediately. This includes anyone at the university or the BoT. In a few short days, you've managed to wipe out whatever good reputation Penn State had. Congratulations, that's no small feat. Instead of being referred to as Linebacker U, I have no doubt that in the future it will be referred to as Child Rapist U. There's nothing on Earth more despicable than a grown adult who wants to take advantage of a child's innocence. And it's apparent that the people at Penn State, even when they witness something so despicable, don't feel strongly enough about it to notify the police.
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Good email mooby:

Also, when you send their BOT a email, you will get a "confirmation required" email from their IT department.

[QUOTE]For security reasons, the L-BOT list has been configured to request positive confirmation of messages posted to the list. You must now confirm that the enclosed message did originate from you. To do so, simply reply to the present message and type "OK" (without the quotes) in the text of your message, or click on the link below. If this does not work, or if the message did not originate from you, then contact the list owner for assistance.

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This is absolutely insane. The breathtaking arrogance of Penn State is reprehensible. I have ZERO respect for Joe Pa. Anybody that watched this go on deserves to be in hell as much as the person that committed the act.

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[url=http://www.gopsusports.com/administration/staff-directory.html]Penn State University Official Athletic Site - Administration[/url]

List of staff and emails. Let Joe Pa know what you think of him, and McQueary for advancing his career by keeping quiet.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7211281/penn-state-nittany-lions-joe-paterno-retire-end-season]Penn State Nittany Lions' Joe Paterno to retire at end of season - ESPN[/url]

On this article, there is a podcast on the right with Jay Bilas destroying Penn State administration, and for allowing them to let Joe Paterno continue coaching.

He makes a great point. Why are people talking about "I need to find out the facts before making a decision." What more is there to know? You hear a old man is taking a shower with a 10 year old kid. What more do you need to know? ...lol

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/07/justice/pennsylvania-coach-abuse-timeline/index.html]Sandusky abuse claims date back to 1994, grand jury says - CNN.com[/url]

..but..but....guys, I didn't know! Hell, I think at this point with all those allegations and stuff prior to 2002 incident, they should be charging McQueary, Joe Paterno and their school president.

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[quote=mooby;857492]Not at Penn State apparently. I'm assuming they value money more than human life.[/quote]

I think at this point keeping him on has nothing to do financially because they have to know the fall out is going to cost them money. I'm guessing he is gone before the end of the yea because of the fincial hit the school is going to take.

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[quote=NC_Skins;857510][URL="http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/07/justice/pennsylvania-coach-abuse-timeline/index.html"]Sandusky abuse claims date back to 1994, grand jury says - CNN.com[/URL]

..but..but....guys, I didn't know! Hell, I think at this point with all those allegations and stuff prior to 2002 incident, they should be charging McQueary, Joe Paterno and their school president.[/quote]

Wow, that time line has allot of people who let this thing slide on for 10 yrs. It almost makes you think that each incident at the time did not seem to throw up the big red flag but you put them all together and it seems hard to believe.

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[url=http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_president_graham_sp.html]Penn State President Graham Spanier will quit or be fired today in wake of Sandusky charges, source says | lehighvalleylive.com[/url]

President getting fired. They should have Joe and McQueary on that list too.

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[quote=NC_Skins;857540][url=http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_president_graham_sp.html]Penn State President Graham Spanier will quit or be fired today in wake of Sandusky charges, source says | lehighvalleylive.com[/url]

President getting fired. They should have Joe and McQueary on that list too.[/quote]

This doesn't surprise me and I'm glad that Spanier is taking just as much heat as Paterno. I was concerned that all the focus on Paterno would put Spanier and some other folks under the radar. I think the AD should be fired as well.

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M. Millen mentioned "due process" & that "taking care of it myself" was not the "right way" to do things. He also said let the investigators do their job.

I think it's best that Joe Pa step down asap. However, that should not mean that he's been conspiring to protect Sandusky all these years. Of course we can say he should've done more, but don't put a disproportionate amount of blame on JoePa. One day he'll tell his side & I think it may change some minds, even if he's still to blame.

On the other hand, I'm open to the possibility that he also used Sandusky for leverage. So, yeah, there's more to learn about this before we crucify anyone (though Sandusky needs a miracle to be found not guilty).

Smootsmack et al, here's a conspiracy theory for ya; remember when JoePa's job was in jeopardy & there was talk of him resigning? Could keeping quiet on this been part of a deal to keep his job?

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[quote=SmootSmack;857075]No doubt. Graduate assistant who's now a WR coach? Wouldn't surprise me if he was told not to go to the police and in return he got a bit of a promotion. Not saying that's what happened, but it wouldn't surprise me[/quote]


I really don't think it's too far fetched thought at all Smoot. It's obvious the guy sold his soul to move up the chain in college football.





[url=http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7210995&s=espn]Cory Giger - ESPN[/url]

Cory Giger is dead on that McQueary or Paterno shouldn't be allowed to coach in this game come Saturday. People say I shouldn't wish the death of their football program because of innocents involved. Well, their board of trustees is making my statement that much stronger. If they allow them to coach this weekend and continue to coach the rest of the year, I hope they are sued so bad that their football program goes under.

If the students and alumni had any bit of class and dignity, they'd be protesting to, so I have no qualm about them losing shit that they didn't see as a big issue. It really is a slap in the face to the victims at this point to allow any of those guys back on the field.

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Paterno has been involved in several controversial scandals including being forced to apologize for a profanity-laced tirade directed at then Rutgers head coach Doug Graber at the conclusion of a nationally televised game in 1995,[22][B] being accused of "making light of sexual assault" in 2006 by the National Organization for Women which called for his resignation,[23][/B] and being involved in a road rage incident in 2007.[24]

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I've lost respect for JOPA this is a total disgrace and is disgusting that no one did anything.. Paterno should have been fired

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His statement really only makes him sound sorry he finally got caught. And he really should step down right away. And should spend the rest of his life doing everything he can helping the victims, not so much the university.

Still, I can't imagine what a horrible fall for grace this is for Paterno

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[url=http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7208581/rick-reilly-penn-state-scandal]Rick Reilly - The Penn State scandal - ESPN[/url]

Powerful quotes and experiences that these former NHL players have shared.

[quote]Does Paterno have grandkids? (Yes, 17.) How would he feel if it were one of his grandkids in that shower with the coach? What would he have done then?
” -- Sheldon Kennedy, former NHL player and abuse victim[/quote]



...but hey all, it's BIG MONEY COLLEGE FOOTBALL!!

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Smoot. Please pat Stephen Smith and Skip Bayless on the back for me with their hard stance on Joe Pa getting fired immediately.

[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7211798]Should Paterno Be Allowed To Coach? - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

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Anyone read the grand jury report? Some pretty sick shit. Sandusky was having anal sex and giving blow jobs to 10 year old boys!!!!! And no one called the cops??? WTF??? To think that Paterno and his cronnies were covering for this POS just makes me sick. Paterno thinks he should coach on Sat. The guy actually thinks he's bigger than this whole scandal. Amazing.

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[quote=skinsfan69;857591]Anyone read the grand jury report? Paterno thinks he should coach on Sat. The guy actually thinks he's bigger than this whole scandal. Amazing.[/quote]

I'm going to pass on the GJ report because it'll probably infuriate me that much more. Without a doubt Paterno thinks he's bigger than the whole scandal, and he's doing this for selfish reasons. He wants to do what's right for the school, then he would indeed step down and not coach ever again.


[url=http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/page/hill-111109/penn-state-not-allow-joe-paterno-retire-terms]Penn State should not allow Joe Paterno to retire on his terms - ESPN[/url]

Great article by J. Hill and good interview with LZ Granderson.

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[quote=NC_Skins;857644]I'm going to pass on the GJ report because it'll probably infuriate me that much more. [B]Without a doubt Paterno thinks he's bigger than the whole scandal, and he's doing this for selfish reasons[/B]. He wants to do what's right for the school, then he would indeed step down and not coach ever again.


[URL="http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/page/hill-111109/penn-state-not-allow-joe-paterno-retire-terms"]Penn State should not allow Joe Paterno to retire on his terms - ESPN[/URL]

Great article by J. Hill and good interview with LZ Granderson.[/quote]

Do you really think Joe thinks much at all anymore? I mean, that whole scene in his yard last night was so bizarre. An asinine move by the fans, and when Joe came out and talked he sounded so out of it and detached. I'd say his statements to the media, and pretty much everything else is being dictated by his son at this point.

I don't think Joe thinks he's bigger than the scandal. I simply think he has absolutely zero idea how to handle something like this. I'm not making excuses for his lack of action when he found out about the abuses, I'm only talking about how he's acted since it all came out this week.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Joe Paterno's retirement was effective immediatley and he was not going to finish the season.

I think what should happen, is that Joe should be brought up on charges, and his name and reputation should basically be trashed because of this. They should take his name and face down from Penn State as the ultimate punishment, which still isn't enough for a guy who covered up a major sex scandal involving little kids for the better part of 15 years.

When the fallout is over, he should be completley blacklisted from college football and penn state. This makes me think of the Chris Benoit WWE situation where even though Benoit was in the hall of fame and all that, they removed all mention and memory of him in wake of his crime he committed...