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[url=http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7160762/nfl-quarterback-power-rankings]Bill Simmons ranks the NFL QBs from the transcendent to the putrid - Grantland[/url]

35. Rex Grossman
36. John Beck
Redskins fans arguing about Beck and Grossman is like Van Halen fans arguing about Mitch Malloy and Gary Cherone.


:laughing-

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[quote=skinsfaninok;858153]Skins have been rebuilding since I was 5 smh how do u think I feel???[/quote]

I personally think they've been rebuilding since this year. They've been losing like a rebuilding team for a long time.

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So do you guys think we'll keep either Rexy or Beck (okay, I know it's not gonna be him, but I have to include him) as our second string next season or we scrap them both and go after someone else?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;858164]So do you guys think we'll keep either Rexy or Beck (okay, I know it's not gonna be him, but I have to include him) as our second string next season or we scrap them both and go after someone else?[/quote]

I think after this year, you cant bring either back. I would seriously think 2 new QBs in the draft. And a new vet brought in as well.

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I don't see how beck or Rex comes back maybe grossman as a backup

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Well Beck is under contract for another year, Grossman is a free agent

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[quote=DynamiteRave;858164]So do you guys think we'll keep either Rexy or Beck (okay, I know it's not gonna be him, but I have to include him) as our second string next season or we scrap them both and go after someone else?[/quote]

I hope (and think) that there will be a complete housecleaning at QB...except perhaps for Crompton.

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[quote=Lotus;858180]I hope (and think) that there will be a complete housecleaning at QB...[B]except perhaps for Crompton[/B].[/quote]

You cant get rid of the future

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[quote=Chico23231;858172]I think after this year, you cant bring either back. I would seriously think 2 new QBs in the draft. And a new vet brought in as well.[/quote]

I don't like either, but you still need one guy who "knows the system". It's not like we have Rodgers waiting on the bench ready to take the reins like GB had.

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[quote=Chico23231;857981]Team is a QB away from being a contender in this division. Shanny and Co. have being building in different areas as in the entire defense, Oline, RB and getting a decent group of young receivers. Everyone can see Fred Davis has grown into a good TE. We are trending in the right direction.

I expect heavy focus on the offense in the offseason as the defense seemed to be priority last year.

Rebuilding is hard to stomach, but at least we are finally taking the right steps. Add a QB, free agent WR, starter or 2 on the Oline, depth in the secondary, a new ILB...we will be solid.

I dont know if anyone has seen the free agents list for next year, but they are plentiful at RB, WR, OG, Center...all positions we need to improve in.[/quote]


You do realize that Fred Davis is a free agent after this year. If "everyone can see Fred Davis has grown into a good tight end" as you say, he might just wind up somewhere else next year...

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;858127]It's the FO's job to have competent reserves in place. Failing to maintain a certain level performance after an injury shows a failure to do that job.[/quote]

Sir Clinton speaks the TRUTH!!!

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.........Get a rope.....Oh Vinnie......

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;858185]You do realize that Fred Davis is a free agent after this year. If "everyone can see Fred Davis has grown into a good tight end" as you say, he might just wind up somewhere else next year...[/quote]

Yeah, I hope we resign him. You see his value almost every week in the passing game. I mean Epic Fail if we let him go.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;858130]Listen to yourself, and think back to the first year of every new coach we have had since Gibbs retired the first time. Even with Zorn everyone was initially excited about the new regime. The whole thing(meaning franchise) is HYPE. You don't think Shanny and Allen could be all hype after all that we have experienced since the Cooks lost the team?[/quote]


I am hoping the difference in this equation is Bruce Allen and Shannahan. Both are good personel guys, Snyder has seemed to back off and let them do their thing. I think the proof was the way the draft was handled this year, aquiring more picks (12) and playing youth. Playing Hankerson, Pauls, Austin vs going out and getting Ocho, or TO, or Moss. WHo doesn't think that one of these if not two of these guys would have been Redskins if Allen and Shanny were running things.

THey didn't jump on the 1st QB they could draft when they felt it wasn't someone that can win in the NFL. Which was Gabbert, and of all the rookies playing this year, he has looked the worst by far. These guys know what they are doing, I think there is a QB class coming out next year that is what they were targeting from the beginning. If this regime is allowed to continue this philosophy over the next two - three years and build through draft, play OUR young guys letting them gain experience, and add a key player here or there, I really think we are going to be on the right path towards competing every year.

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f davis has been good for us this year but i dont think he is elite or irreplaceable. our passing game is short stuff, our TE catches the short stuff.

i see him as that guy on a bad NBA team who scores 24 ppg but has to take 30 shots to do it.

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[quote=over the mountain;858325]f davis has been good for us this year but i dont think he is elite or irreplaceable. our passing game is short stuff, our TE catches the short stuff.

i see him as that guy on a bad NBA team who scores 24 ppg but has to take 30 shots to do it.[/quote]Davis's season has been deceiving IMO. He doesn't compete for balls in tight spaces the way he should, resulting in 2 of Grossman's INTs vs. Philly, and one of Beck's vs. SF. He has compiled a good percentage of his receiving yards in garbage time, when games are already lost. I love how hard he runs after the catch, but I want to see him put forth the same effort going after the ball when it's in the air. I say re-sign him, but don't break the bank the way we did for Cooley a few years back.

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Other titles for this thread:

"1 + 1 = 2"

"It gets dark at night"

"Revis is better than Deangelo"

......

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;859031]Other titles for this thread:

"1 + 1 = 2"

"It gets dark at night"

"Revis is better than Deangelo"

......[/quote]

LOL. Well played, sir.

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[quote=#56fanatic;858265]I am hoping the difference in this equation is Bruce Allen and Shannahan. Both are good personel guys, Snyder has seemed to back off and let them do their thing. I think the proof was the way the draft was handled this year, aquiring more picks (12) and playing youth. Playing Hankerson, Pauls, Austin vs going out and getting Ocho, or TO, or Moss. WHo doesn't think that one of these if not two of these guys would have been Redskins if Allen and Shanny were running things.

THey didn't jump on the 1st QB they could draft when they felt it wasn't someone that can win in the NFL. Which was Gabbert, and of all the rookies playing this year, he has looked the worst by far. These guys know what they are doing, I think there is a QB class coming out next year that is what they were targeting from the beginning. If this regime is allowed to continue this philosophy over the next two - three years and build through draft, play OUR young guys letting them gain experience, and add a key player here or there, I really think we are going to be on the right path towards competing every year.[/quote]


Well I know we are rebuilding, I just hope that something is actually being rebuilt and not just some BS muddling through just doing stuff to look like the FO is actually doing something.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;859057]Well I know we are rebuilding, I just hope that something is actually being rebuilt and not just some BS muddling through just doing stuff to look like the FO is actually doing something.[/quote]

Considering that our draft picks this have actually shown some immediate impact, unlike 2008's picks, I think we do. Jenkins made noise and earned a starting job before his injury. Kerrigan, no explanation needed. Helu looks like the second coming of Portis, without the bad attitude. Hankerson had his first 100 yard game in his second start(unlike the eternity Devin Thomas took).

Trent looks serviceable at the very least. Rak is pretty good as well, although he isn't elite yet. We need to stay the course and draft well again next year, use free agency well, and pick up good UDFAs.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;858127]It's the FO's job to have competent reserves in place. Failing to maintain a certain level performance after an injury shows a failure to do that job.[/quote]

Hell, they haven't even got around to replacing all the "starters" and people are villifying them for having depth?


Not sure what you all expected. The restricted FA his first year and a lockout the following off-season. You can't make something out of nothing.

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I was at the game today and I DO think the Skins are going the right way and have improved the team since last season. I anticipate them having a huge offseason once this one is done. I think they have a decent team....BUT
The squad they are able to field at this point does not appear to have the talent to compete at a reasonable level.....AND is damn hard to watch.
Thank goodness I have the demon alcohol to help me through this......Httr!

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[quote=NC_Skins;859063]Hell, they haven't even got around to replacing all the "starters" and people are villifying them for having depth?


Not sure what you all expected. The restricted FA his first year and a lockout the following off-season. You can't make something out of nothing.[/quote]

Well, I do cut them some slack. As you said, you can't get both great starters and quality depth for every position all in one offseason, especially with the "spring is almost dry".

But at the same time, they did [I]willingly[/I] choose to engage in a couple risky and potentially costly short-term moves that still might have delayed progress in acquiring young talent. This is where the "really bad" aspect of their failure lies.

However, it seems they learned their lesson and are finally "hunting" the "right" way. Hold on to the draft picks, make low-risk trades, and use free agency judiciously.

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[quote=Hog1;859066]I was at the game today and I DO think the Skins are going the right way and have improved the team since last season. I anticipate them having a huge offseason once this one is done. I think they have a decent team....BUT
The squad they are able to field at this point does not appear to have the talent to compete at a reasonable level.....AND is damn hard to watch.
Thank goodness I have the demon alcohol to help me through this......Httr![/quote]

We were at the same game but we clearly saw two different teams. I saw a far less talented and competitive team than the 1 win Dolphin team they faced. I am hoping for a huge offseason too, they need one because they are severely lacking in playmakers and team speed. They have to play a perfect game in order to win and just don't have those type of players.

My fear is they are at least 2 more offseasons away from being a legitimate playoff team. I don't think there are more than 6 players on our entire roster that could start on a good team so there's lots to build.

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[quote=Paintrain;859075]We were at the same game but we clearly saw two different teams. I saw a far less talented and competitive team than the 1 win Dolphin team they faced. I am hoping for a huge offseason too, they need one because they are severely lacking in playmakers and team speed. They have to play a perfect game in order to win and just don't have those type of players.

My fear is they are at least 2 more offseasons away from being a legitimate playoff team. I don't think there are more than 6 players on our entire roster that could start on a good team so there's lots to build.[/quote]


Speed is a HUGE PROBLEM for the skins, we simply don't have enough of it on offense.. AA doesn't really count bcuz he'll be cut after this yr and neither does banks

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[quote=Paintrain;859075]We were at the same game but we clearly saw two different teams. I saw a far less talented and competitive team than the 1 win Dolphin team they faced. I am hoping for a huge offseason too, they need one because they are severely lacking in playmakers and team speed. They have to play a perfect game in order to win and just don't have those type of players.

My fear is they are at least 2 more offseasons away from being a legitimate playoff team. I don't think there are more than 6 players on our entire roster that could start on a good team so there's lots to build.[/quote]

Let's see:

QB: Ain't got one (big, big trouble)
WR: Moss, Hankerson
TE: Davis, Cooley
OL: Williams (no one else, this is where I see trouble)
RB: Helu/Hightower

OLB: Kerrigan, Orakpo
DL: Jenkins, Bowen, Cofield
ILB: Fletcher/ possibly Riley if he plays on a consistent basis like today
S: Landry
CB: None (they all suck!!)
P: Rocca
K: Gano

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;859081]Let's see:

QB: Ain't got one (big, big trouble)
WR: Moss, Hankerson
TE: Davis, Cooley
OL: Williams (no one else, this is where I see trouble)
RB: Helu/Hightower

OLB: Kerrigan, Orakpo
DL: Jenkins, Bowen, Cofield
ILB: Fletcher/ possibly Riley if he plays on a consistent basis like today
S: Landry
CB: None (they all suck!!)
P: Rocca
K: Gano[/quote]


I don't see Hightower back thats just me and I see a big WR coming to DC Maybe Dwayne Bowe

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[quote=skinsfaninok;859082]I don't see Hightower back thats just me and I see a big WR coming to DC Maybe Dwayne Bowe[/quote]

Maybe, we got Hankerson and Paul is next to come through, I can feel it.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;859097]Maybe, we got Hankerson and Paul is next to come through, I can feel it.[/quote]

Paul is this teams James Thrash, he can't be considered a receiving threat or else he'd have already shown glimpses.

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[quote=Paintrain;859100]Paul is this teams James Thrash, he can't be considered a receiving threat or else he'd have already shown glimpses.[/quote]

He started catching the ball in the game in which he got hurt, no he didn't have a Hankerson type game cause he wasn't featured but if given the chance I see good things. Remember when people were saying Hankerson should be cut? Well, is I guess he got a lot better over a few weeks.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;859106]He started catching the ball in the game in which he got hurt, no he didn't have a Hankerson type game cause he wasn't featured but if given the chance I see good things. Remember when people were saying Hankerson should be cut? Well, is I guess he got a lot better over a few weeks.[/quote]

I don't think he's terrible, just don't think he has a very high ceiling. 3rd or 4th receiver type. I'm good with that in his role, just don't expect him to be the next #1.

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All I want to know is what happened to all the vitality and life displayed by this team the first 4 weeks of the season? Did they lose all their confidence? Have they been possessed by some sort of demonic entity? Or is there a hug rift within the coaching staff and/or player ranks?

This team looks dead, I have seen them this feeble and dead since Spurrier days and that's saying a lot give that our last coach was Zorn.

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[quote=saden1;859121]All I want to know is what happened to all the vitality and life displayed by this team the first 4 weeks of the season? Did they lose all their confidence? Have the been possessed by some sort of demonic entity? Or is there a hug rift with in the coaching staff and/or player ranks?

This team looks dead, I don't I have seen them this feeble and dead since Spurrier days and that's saying a lot give that our last coach was Zorn.[/quote]

Lack of depth on the OL after Lich was injured, inconsistent QB play, Hightower and Moss injuries didn't help either. S position has also been a revolving door.

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[quote=saden1;859121]All I want to know is what happened to all the vitality and life displayed by this team the first 4 weeks of the season? Did they lose all their confidence? Have the been possessed by some sort of demonic entity? Or is there a hug rift with in the coaching staff and/or player ranks?

This team looks dead, I don't I have seen them this feeble and dead since Spurrier days and that's saying a lot give that our last coach was Zorn.[/quote]

Yeah, somehow we lost our swag.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;859125]Lack of depth on the OL after Lich was injured, inconsistent QB play, Hightower and Moss injuries didn't help either. S position has also been a revolving door.[/quote]

^^Pretty much sums it up.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;859125]Lack of depth on the OL after Lich was injured, inconsistent QB play, Hightower and Moss injuries didn't help either. S position has also been a revolving door.[/quote]

Also, there were some lingering problems during those first couple of weeks, such as the inability to score in the redzone. Looking back, we got a couple of breaks in those wins and it had little to do with actual play by our offense.

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[quote=saden1;859121]All I want to know is what happened to all the vitality and life displayed by this team the first 4 weeks of the season? Did they lose all their confidence? Have they been possessed by some sort of demonic entity? Or is there a hug rift within the coaching staff and/or player ranks?

This team looks dead, I have seen them this feeble and dead since Spurrier days and that's saying a lot give that our last coach was Zorn.[/quote]
Two of the wins were against bad teams, 'Zona and St. Louis. Rex played the game of his life against New York.

Since then, Rex has regressed, our backups are not that good or too green, and Beck just plain sucked.

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[quote=Paintrain;859110]I don't think he's terrible, just don't think he has a very high ceiling. 3rd or 4th receiver type. I'm good with that in his role, just don't expect him to be the next #1.[/quote]

I can see Niles Paul as our version of Jason Avante with the Eagles. One in a blue moon he will have a really great game, but will be the #3 guy for whoever we get as QB. He might surprise us though.

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The Redskins are a very bad team. I never like to say that. But they have played so poorly since the bye week. When are they going to win a game? With the NYG, Dallas, NYJ, New England coming up, the Redskins are bound for 5-11 or 4-12. I'm sure no one could see this coming at the start of the season. But since the back to back loses to Carolina and Buffalo, this team has gotten worse and worse.

Mike Shanahan should be on the hot seat just for starting the season with Grossman and Beck atop the depth chart. That alone was a highly incompetent move. And that is the precise reason why the offense can't produce points on the scoreboard or move the ball.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;859143]Mike Shanahan should be on the hot seat just for starting the season with Grossman and Beck atop the depth chart. [/quote]


So who exactly was he supposed to grab from this magical tree of NFL QBs?