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[quote=skinsfaninok;863026]LOL Lee is a HORRIBLE Passer[/quote]

I want nothing to do with the current stable of Bama and LSU QB's. If you must have an SEC QB, Aaron Murray seems like a good option for down the road.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;863061]I want nothing to do with the current stable of Bama and LSU QB's. If you must have an SEC QB, Aaron Murray seems like a good option for down the road.[/quote]

Or Zach Mettenberger in a couple of seasons.

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Not only do the Redskins not have a long-term solution at the position in either Rex Grossman or John Beck, they've won enough to be well out of the Andrew Luck race. Washington could be better served trying to deal for a quarterback, or getting into position for a guy like Matt Barkley or Landry Jones. But there's a problem: If you think the Skins have a roster that's ready to compete for a playoff position in 2012 -- and I certainly think they could -- do you really want a rookie in there? I wonder if the Redskins are a team that looks at a trade for a current starter, or targets a guy who might be ready to take over, such as Matt Flynn or Brian Hoyer. Either way, this is a team that is in desperate need of a solution.

From Mel Kiper

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[quote=skinsfaninok;863067]Not only do the Redskins not have a long-term solution at the position in either Rex Grossman or John Beck, they've won enough to be well out of the Andrew Luck race. Washington could be better served trying to deal for a quarterback, or getting into position for a guy like Matt Barkley or Landry Jones. But there's a problem: If you think the Skins have a roster that's ready to compete for a playoff position in 2012 -- and I certainly think they could -- do you really want a rookie in there? I wonder if the Redskins are a team that looks at a trade for a current starter, or targets a guy who might be ready to take over, such as Matt Flynn or Brian Hoyer. Either way, this is a team that is in desperate need of a solution.

From Mel Kiper[/quote]

If the QB has played in a Pro type offense such as Barkley and Luck then the transition would be smoother than with the other QB's available.

I think Hoyer is going to be a hot commodity, but not necessarily deservedly so

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Flynn will be the #1 FA QB? Looks like it honestly

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;863068]If the QB has played in a Pro type offense such as Barkley and Luck then the transition would be smoother than with the other QB's available.[/quote]

You mean like the system Cam Newton played in at Auburn? LOL systems help but its the player that can make a system better. The so called experts did not think Cam would start out this good.

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I would rather for us to draft a QB in the 1st round if we thought he could be our starter the 1st year or 2 . If he is not take the best player available at that spot and get a QB in the 2nd round. I would be ok with Rex coming back to compete with our rookie QB.

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[quote=skins89moss;863075]You mean like the system Cam Newton played in at Auburn? LOL systems help but its the player that can make a system better. The so called experts did not think Cam would start out this good.[/quote]

That could be RGIII next year if he comes out, both great athletes. I still want Barkley since we will have no Luck.

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Per Mel Kiper.

1. Washington Redskins

Not only do the Redskins not have a long-term solution at the position in either Rex Grossman or John Beck, they've won enough to be well out of the Andrew Luck race. Washington could be better served trying to deal for a quarterback, or getting into position for a guy like Matt Barkley or Landry Jones. But there's a problem: If you think the Skins have a roster that's ready to compete for a playoff position in 2012 -- and I certainly think they could -- do you really want a rookie in there? I wonder if the Redskins are a team that looks at a trade for a current starter, or targets a guy who might be ready to take over, such as Matt Flynn or Brian Hoyer. Either way, this is a team that is in desperate need of a solution.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;863078]Per Mel Kiper.

1. Washington Redskins

Not only do the Redskins not have a long-term solution at the position in either Rex Grossman or John Beck, they've won enough to be well out of the Andrew Luck race. Washington could be better served trying to deal for a quarterback, or getting into position for a guy like Matt Barkley or Landry Jones. But there's a problem: If you think the Skins have a roster that's ready to compete for a playoff position in 2012 -- and I certainly think they could -- do you really want a rookie in there? I wonder if the Redskins are a team that looks at a trade for a current starter, or targets a guy who might be ready to take over, such as Matt Flynn or Brian Hoyer. Either way, this is a team that is in desperate need of a solution.[/quote]

I rather have Rex start then Flynn or Hoyer who have not been in this system.

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I keep hearing speculation of which QB we should take this year but then as of now since the draft is still months away, id like to know what the hell everyone plans to do if 2 or 3 of the top four prspects elect to stay at school. Yes, i want nothing more than to land barkley or RG3 but what if them and luck shocking all stay in school. I dont like the idea of setteling for a 2nd round QB considering its our biggest need. Just for shits and giggles (maybe a new thread?) But lets say all the non senior QBs stay in school, what is everyones 1st round prospect? Im just tired of talking QBs that might not even come out. We all want one of the top 3/4 but what is everyone elses most pressing need? Mine is OL or more specifically OL in general.

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just curious, why are people touting matt flynn as a possible solution? what has he shown that makes you think he will be a decent nfl starter? he wasnt even great in college and hasnt done anything in the pros so im wondering why people are projecting him to be a potential starter somewhere.

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[quote=joeyt56;863081]I keep hearing speculation of which QB we should take this year but then as of now since the draft is still months away,[B] id like to know what the hell everyone plans to do if 2 or 3 of the top four prspects elect to stay at school. [/B] Yes, i want nothing more than to land barkley or RG3 but what if them and luck shocking all stay in school. I dont like the idea of setteling for a 2nd round QB considering its our biggest need. Just for shits and giggles (maybe a new thread?) But lets say all the non senior QBs stay in school, what is everyones 1st round prospect? Im just tired of talking QBs that might not even come out. We all want one of the top 3/4 but what is everyone elses most pressing need? Mine is OL or more specifically OL in general.[/quote]

THANK YOU *sobs*. In slight seriousness though it will be back to the annual "next years class will be better" charade.


[quote=Big C;863082][B]just curious, why are people touting matt flynn as a possible solution?[/B] what has he shown that makes you think he will be a decent nfl starter? he wasnt even great in college and hasnt done anything in the pros so im wondering why people are projecting him to be a potential starter somewhere.[/quote]

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and of course
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Play backup QB for the Packers and you're going to win a starting job. It's an indisputable fact.

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^ this

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[quote=Big C;863082]just curious, why are people touting matt flynn as a possible solution? what has he shown that makes you think he will be a decent nfl starter? he wasnt even great in college and hasnt done anything in the pros so im wondering why people are projecting him to be a potential starter somewhere.[/quote]

It's rediculous. He played one good game against New England last year and apparently now he's starter material. I guess watching a great QB play makes you become one. Basically having a great QB is like a license to sell knockoffs at a premium...

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No one is saying Matt Flynn will be great lol just saying why not take a chance on him? He's better than what we got now I promise u that

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[quote=joeyt56;863081]I keep hearing speculation of which QB we should take this year but then as of now since the draft is still months away, [B]id like to know what the hell everyone plans to do if 2 or 3 of the top four prspects elect to stay at school[/B]. Yes, i want nothing more than to land barkley or RG3 but what if them and luck shocking all stay in school. I dont like the idea of setteling for a 2nd round QB considering its our biggest need. Just for shits and giggles (maybe a new thread?) But lets say all the non senior QBs stay in school, what is everyones 1st round prospect? Im just tired of talking QBs that might not even come out. We all want one of the top 3/4 but what is everyone elses most pressing need? Mine is OL or more specifically OL in general.[/quote]

This what I wrote in an earlier post: [I]If Jones and Barkley don't come out then I wouldn't know what to do other than to draft RGIII. If none of those three comes out, I probably wouldn't draft a QB before the third round (I also would cry softly into my pillow).[/I]

To be more specific, I think (as a lot of us do) that our three greatest needs are 1) Starting QB, 2) Impact WR, and 3) OL. So, I'd try to get in position to draft WR Justin Blackmon in Round 1. Then, I'd look to draft two either two interior OL or an OG and an OT within the first four rounds. I'd also look to draft a developmental QB by the fourth round. The rest of my draft would be BPA. Our Franchise QB would have to wait until 2013.

I'd plan to go with Rex as my starting QB in 2012 but I would bring in a vet to compete with him for the job. I'd cut John Beck. I'd also try to improve the OL in FA, if possible. If the OL plays better, then the entire offense, including Rex, will play better.

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[quote=Big C;863053]russell wilson is about 5-10/5-11,i doubt he will be a 2nd rounder.

and guys, jordan jefferson seriously? hes not any good. hes never looked all that great. lsu wins with excellent defense, not good quarterback play.[/quote]

due to his non "prototype" stature slides him to a 4th to 5th rounder but IMO he looks like a 2nd rounder. Mechanics,vision, accuracy, decent arm strength, mobile when pocket collapses and leadership skills,,,,I can't help but love this kid!!

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I keep seeing people saying we need to address the O-line. I think our starting Oline is pretty solid. Maybe we need one more piece to the puzzle, but

T. Williams
K. Lich
Montgomery
Chester
Brown

I think they are doing a solid job this year till a few got hurt, and our depth seems okay. I would maybe work to get a stronger RT but that's it.

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[quote=Bucket;863107]I keep seeing people saying we need to address the O-line. I think our starting Oline is pretty solid. Maybe we need one more piece to the puzzle, but

T. Williams
K. Lich
Montgomery
Chester
Brown

I think they are doing a solid job this year till a few got hurt, and our depth seems okay. I would maybe work to get a stronger RT but that's it.[/quote]


Our line is actually solid it's not great but its better than AVG.. Our problem is we have NO QB and NO WRs lol if Wrs cant get open its hard to block all game.

We have a BIG TIME LT who proves it week in and out and a solid RT again give us a real QB and see what happens

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/946290-2012-nfl-mock-draft-full-first-round-predictions/page/10]2012 NFL Mock Draft: Full First-Round Predictions | Bleacher Report[/url]

"My opinion on Baylor's Robert Griffin III is very fluid, one week I have him in the top ten and the next he is out of the first round. One thing I know is that Griffin III is a terrific athlete who is showing that he is capable of playing quarterback at the next level.

The concerns I have mainly surround his style of play and limited experience in a pro-style offense. Baylor employs a wide open spread attack, which doesn't allow Griffin III to make many reads. Most of his reads are made pre-snap or to one side of the field. The NFL is all about reading defenses and making good decisions.

Griffin III will likely be a first round selection, mainly due to his potential. The Washington Redskins are in desperate need of an answer at the quarterback position. Mike Shanahan is known as an offensive guru, making Griffin III an intriguing addition."

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[quote=Bucket;863107]I keep seeing people saying we need to address the O-line. I think our starting Oline is pretty solid. Maybe we need one more piece to the puzzle, but

T. Williams
K. Lich
Montgomery
Chester
Brown

I think they are doing a solid job this year till a few got hurt, and our depth seems okay. I would maybe work to get a stronger RT but that's it.[/quote]

brown is awful, chester isn't good, the other three are okay. its a below average line. outside of trent, most of those guys would be backups on 20 other teams.

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[quote=That Guy;863111]brown is awful, chester isn't good, the other three are okay. its a below average line. outside of trent, most of those guys would be backups on 20 other teams.[/quote]

I think Lich would start on most teams, but only him and williams.

problem with lich is keepin him healthy

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[quote=That Guy;863111][B]brown is awful, chester isn't good[/B], the other three are okay. its a below average line. outside of trent, [B]most of those guys would be backups on 20 other teams.[/B][/quote]
Except New Orleans and Baltimore.

Those teams never make the playoffs, in fact the thought of Brown and Chester starting a playoff game is ridiculous right? :thumb:

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The solution is Tannehill, Keenum, or Moore and a mid round QB like Persa, etc in rounds 3-5. I am having flashbacks to 1994 when we got Shuler then Frerotte. Shuler sucked, and we brought in Frerotte to salvage something, and had a young Trent Green as backup. IF Tannehill doesn't pan out, a Dan Persa, or another starting QB of less reknown could be serviceable if not surprise us and be a Flacco. To be honest, I think we really get too much into the hype about QBs. Being a stud in NCAA Div I doesn't mean anything in the pros. How does a Heath Shuler or Ryan Leaf totally suck and a guy like Tom Brady become a stud? RG III could be a very good qb or he could suck in the pros. Same goes for Luck. Cam Newton and to a lesser extent Sam Bradford somewhat lived up to the hype, but for every one of those guys there are a dozen Joey Harringtons and Patrick Ramseys. No matter who we pick first, it is still a gamble.

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Luck and Barkley are playing great, RGIII played briefly and the team scored 66 pts. mainly without him, interesting?

Barkley is just a flat out stud, love that kid and would to see him in Burgundy and Gold.

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I'd take any of the 3 and pray We will

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I couldn't believe it when I heard that Matt Barkley threw 6 TD's against UCLA...you know, he could be better than Luck

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[quote=CultBrennan59;863151]I couldn't believe it when I heard that Matt Barkley threw 6 TD's against UCLA...you know, he could be better than Luck[/quote]

He has quietly being having a great season. I would say he's almost as good due to his physical build. Both will be great pros, I take either one.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;863134]The solution is Tannehill, Keenum, or Moore and a mid round QB like Persa, etc in rounds 3-5. I am having flashbacks to 1994 when we got Shuler then Frerotte. Shuler sucked, and we brought in Frerotte to salvage something, and had a young Trent Green as backup. IF Tannehill doesn't pan out, a Dan Persa, or another starting QB of less reknown could be serviceable if not surprise us and be a Flacco. To be honest, I think we really get too much into the hype about QBs. Being a stud in NCAA Div I doesn't mean anything in the pros. How does a Heath Shuler or Ryan Leaf totally suck and a guy like Tom Brady become a stud? RG III could be a very good qb or he could suck in the pros. Same goes for Luck. Cam Newton and to a lesser extent Sam Bradford somewhat lived up to the hype, but for every one of those guys there are a dozen Joey Harringtons and Patrick Ramseys. No matter who we pick first, it is still a gamble.[/quote]

I agree. If Shanahan really knows QBs like he claims, then he would just go with the safest selection. I saw flaws in Landry Jones game this year that I didn't see last season. He's still very accurate and putting up huge stats and QB ratings, but Landry Jones would be either hit or miss. Matt Barkley would be the safest draft choice. He's everything you want in a QB. Luck is the best of them all and is great too, but unless Bruce Allen makes a bold trade, I don't see the Redskins landing Luck. And lastly, Robert Griffin III is extremely talented. He has the makings of a tremendous pro quarterback. I'm sure Mike Shanahan, as much as a mirco managing coach talent evaluator that he is, will take RG3 into high consideration.

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I only saw a little of Stanford's game last night but what I saw reaffirmed to me that Andrew Luck has everything one could possibly want in a NFL QB. He should be outstanding for the Colts.

Every time I see Barkley play, he is the college QB I can best envision running the Skins offense.

These two QB's are as close to "can't miss" prospects as it gets.

I also think that Landry and RGIII have what it takes to be NFL starting QB's.

I know this sounds like a broken record, but here I go again: I believe that it is very important to the future of the Redskins that at least three of these four QB's are in the upcoming NFL draft because the down year we are having, the one benefit of which should be high draft picks, may give us the only realistic chance we'll have for years to acquire a young Franchise QB.

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Uh.. I hate to be the one to say this but, guys Matt Barkley will not declare..

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[quote=IrMitchell;863159]Uh.. I hate to be the one to say this but, guys Matt Barkley will not declare..[/quote]

Ya I could definitely see that. Only because he and USC are this good against great teams like Stanford and Oregon, beating one and barely losing to the other. He wanted to win a bowl game at USC. Thats why I see him staying. I also remember seeing that Matt Kalil, USC's great LT, said that he and Barkley are a package deal to the NFL (he goes, I go. He stays, I stay).

However I could also see him leaving USC being that;
He still entertains the draft talk idea and doesn't shoot it down. He's putting up numbers that are having [U]some[/U] scouts saying, he [U]could[/U] be better than Luck. His numbers can't get much better. Also when you return for your senior year, your always risking yourself from getting injured. Nowhere have I seen Barkley say "Ya I'm coming back next year."

Since he finished his season on a high note I could see scouts saying he's a top 5 pick, which may just be enough. Plus with Seattle and Washington in the top 5, more than likely, I could see him being wanted to be drafted by one of these teams, rather than a team like Cleveland for example. Remember Mark Sanchez wanted to return to USC the next year to play for the national championship and was 'definitely' returning to USC the next year. He later declared for the draft about a week later...

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[quote=IrMitchell;863159]Uh.. I hate to be the one to say this but, guys Matt Barkley will not declare..[/quote]

Please don't mislead others by stating that as if it is a fact. It is not a fact. We don't know one way or the other.

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Luck will be picked #1. And say that Barkley (which would also mean Khalil), Jones, and RGIII all decide to stay in college and we end up picking say 5th in the first round who do we take? That to me seems like a very interesting question. I'll probably get burned here for stating a hypothetical.

I think I would want Claiborne from LSU, would be a chance to have a lockdown cb that we havent had since when we had Champ at the beginning of his career.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;863173]Luck will be picked #1. And say that Barkley (which would also mean Khalil), Jones, and RGIII all decide to stay in college and we end up picking say 5th in the first round who do we take? That to me seems like a very interesting question. I'll probably get burned here for stating a hypothetical.

I think I would want Claiborne from LSU, would be a chance to have a lockdown cb that we havent had since when we had Champ at the beginning of his career.[/quote]

Great question and point. I would take either a lockdown CB like Claiborne ( or Dre Kirkpatrick) or I would trade down, and get Vontaze Burfict and a CB in the 2nd round, like a Janoris Jenkins or Cliff Harris. I would draft Nick Foles later either 2nd or 3rd round and get Kellen Moore. I would see what Matt Flynn wants in FA too. If I see no sign of improvement from the QB's in that year, I'm getting Barkley or Griffin.

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[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/gameflash/2011/11/26/48510/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a14&eref=sihp]UCLA vs. USC - 2011-11-26 - NCAA College Football Score - SI.com[/url]

Lane Kiffin believes Barkleys gone

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[quote=CultBrennan59;863193][url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/gameflash/2011/11/26/48510/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a14&eref=sihp]UCLA vs. USC - 2011-11-26 - NCAA College Football Score - SI.com[/url]

Lane Kiffin believes Barkleys gone[/quote]

With the Coliseum crowd repeatedly chanting "One more year!" Barkley was brilliant in what might have been the junior's final game at USC. He went 35 for 42 and set a Pac-12 record with his 39th touchdown pass early in the fourth quarter, hitting Woods from 41 yards out to surpass Leinart's mark. Barkley also surpassed his own school record set earlier this year with 35 completions.

Barkley and left tackle Matt Kalil are near-certain first-round NFL draft picks, but they claim they haven't decided whether to return for their senior seasons and a shot at a national title with a team that's likely to be among the nation's most talented next year despite severe NCAA scholarship restrictions that start in 2012. Barkley again declined to speculate on his decision, saying he'll figure it out soon.

"Unless he wants to do it, just to be a special Trojan, he ain't coming back," Kiffin said. "He's every bit ready to go to the NFL. It's just going to be a decision, does he want to do something really unique? He might be the guy to do that."

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/953352-2012-nfl-draft-ranking-the-top-20-qb-prospects-of-the-last-5-drafts/]2012 NFL Draft: Ranking the Top 20 QB Prospects of the Last 5 Drafts | Bleacher Report[/url]

Talks about the quarterback prospects coming out to other quarterbacks ratings coming out. Tells a lot about how good Barkley has been.