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[quote=GTripp0012;868351]If you define a bust as a player who starts (is his team's primary starter) for three or fewer seasons, then [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=2002&year_max=2011&type=&round_min=1&round_max=30&slot_min=1&slot_max=10&league_id=&team_id=&pos=ALL&college_id=all&conference=any&show=all"]from 2002-2007 only thirteen players busted[/URL] in the top ten, about two per year. And teams are doing a far better job rating talent at the top of the draft now vs. ten years ago.

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The stats of "played longer" is a bit misleading and many factors involved here. A guy selected at #24 isn't going to get the same type of lead way a guy drafted #1 is. You think they'd cut Bradford after guaranteeing him 50 mil? I seriously doubt it. Hell, it took JaMarcus Dummy 3 years to finally get the boot. It's also the same reason 1st rounders last longer in the league than say a 3rd rounder. Alex Smith is still starting and why? Because he was a #1 pick and was paid a ton of money. Had he been a late first round or a 2nd rounder, he'd been cut/shipped out loooong ago.


edit: That may soon change with the salary of top rookies being limited. Even so, a #1 spot is still a heavy investment when it comes to resources and teams are doing to do everything in their power to make it work, even if it means keeping them longer than they want.

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[quote=NC_Skins;868352]The stats of "played longer" is a bit misleading and many factors involved here. A guy selected at #24 isn't going to get the same type of lead way a guy drafted #1 is. You think they'd cut Bradford after guaranteeing him 50 mil? I seriously doubt it. Hell, it took JaMarcus Dummy 3 years to finally get the boot. It's also the same reason 1st rounders last longer in the league than say a 3rd rounder. Alex Smith is still starting and why? Because he was a #1 pick and was paid a ton of money. Had he been a late first round or a 2nd rounder, he'd been cut/shipped out loooong ago.


edit: That may soon change with the salary of top rookies being limited. Even so, a #1 spot is still a heavy investment when it comes to resources and teams are doing to do everything in their power to make it work, even if it means keeping them longer than they want.[/quote]I don't really agree with his definition of a bust, but w/e.

Even so, quarterbacks always get a longer leash, even if they're late first rounders like JP Losman or Chad Pennington.

Besides, D. McFadden and R. McClain are Raiders in part due to JaMarcus being just that bad.

[QUOTE=CrustyRedskin;868241]Jay Ratliff went off on reporter Calvin Watkin(who i love cause he shows the Cowboys no mercy) in the lockeroom yesterday they had to be physicaly seperated when Watkins asked Ratliff about his relationship with Sam Hurd. I think its safe to say there's a few puckered up at Valley Ranch.[/QUOTE]

Maybe there's some puck factor going on and I love making fun of the cowboys as much as the next guy,but the boys haven't had 2 players suspended for weed(not counting other years :) )
I'd imagine the puck factor is pretty high in DC also


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[url=http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201112/nfl-star-becomes-bookworm-after-prison-sentence]As The Bookworm Turns: Jets Receiver Plaxico Burress Picks Up Reading After Prison Sentence | ThePostGame[/url]

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Boy this'll be the week the Bucs turn it around. :doh:

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Raheem Morris -----door that away------>


NEXT.

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Oh fantastic. Nothing warms my heart like a Tony Romo lovefest on national TV. :doh:

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Bucs are pathetic, they've quit. I'm sure Haynesworth is the motivator :) couldn't happened to a better fat ****!!

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Romo is a stud, his numbers career wise are legit

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[quote=NC_Skins;868352]The stats of "played longer" is a bit misleading and many factors involved here. A guy selected at #24 isn't going to get the same type of lead way a guy drafted #1 is. You think they'd cut Bradford after guaranteeing him 50 mil? I seriously doubt it. Hell, it took JaMarcus Dummy 3 years to finally get the boot. It's also the same reason 1st rounders last longer in the league than say a 3rd rounder. Alex Smith is still starting and why? Because he was a #1 pick and was paid a ton of money. Had he been a late first round or a 2nd rounder, he'd been cut/shipped out loooong ago.


edit: That may soon change with the salary of top rookies being limited. Even so, a #1 spot is still a heavy investment when it comes to resources and teams are doing to do everything in their power to make it work, even if it means keeping them longer than they want.[/quote]I don't think Bradford is in danger of being released after this season, no. But will he make it to four years as a primary starter in the NFL? Not without improvement.

Alex Smith is not still starting because of his draft position. In the first four years of his career, Alex Smith started 30 games. In the last three years, he has started 33 games. His playing time is actually more consistent now than it was when he was the golden boy first overall pick.

The bias towards high picks is real, but I think I was able to set the bar high enough where most busts don't qualify. Sure, setting the bar at 4 years as primary starter means that a guy like Levi Brown is not considered a bust, but you can live with that for objective purposes.

Where using the "years as starter" metric probably ceases to be useful is deeper in the draft where guys don't have a shot to start early in their careers. But limited to first rounders only, I think the snapshot is accurate.

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I've heard things and read things lately about Sam Bradford being a bust. He's not a bust and I doubt if he will be a bust. He has a bad ankle injury that's interfering with how he's playing. He has no weapons. The play of his offensive line in not up to par. According to the latest mock drafts, they have the Rams selecting Justin Blackmon from Oklahoma State with their first round pick. Blackmon is somewhere in th Terrell Owens/Anquan Bolden/Reggie Wayne mold. If the Rams select Blackmon, then Bradford's game was increase by 60%.

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^He'll be a bust(ed) if those reasons aren't addressed real soon.

It's not NFL. It's not even college. But it's Cowboys stadium and...damn!

[url]http://mobile.sbnation.com/2011/12/18/2643865/runaway-golf-cart-video-cowboys-stadium-texas-high-school-football[/url]

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;868500]It's not NFL. It's not even college. But it's Cowboys stadium and...damn!

[url]http://mobile.sbnation.com/2011/12/18/2643865/runaway-golf-cart-video-cowboys-stadium-texas-high-school-football[/url][/QUOTE]

If I'm not mistaken it looks like somebody put goal line pylons on the pedal to make it go without anyone driving it. If that's the case someone is in trouble.

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[quote=SmootSmack;868500]It's not NFL. It's not even college. But it's Cowboys stadium and...damn!

[url=http://mobile.sbnation.com/2011/12/18/2643865/runaway-golf-cart-video-cowboys-stadium-texas-high-school-football]VIDEO: Runaway Golf Cart Wreaks Havoc At Texas State Championship - From Our Editors - SBNation.com[/url][/quote]


Bet that is a scary feeling being the guy that's chasing that thing hoping like hell it hits nobody. Unfortunately for that guy it did.

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Well....it was on the star...so that's good

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Cam having a good day, KC fighting w GB

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Indy winning, Skins winning, KC winning... freaky Sunday...

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Reggie Bush
25 Carries 200 yards
74 Yard RD Run

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GB finally goes down

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Chiefs just beat the Packers. Wow.

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Emotional for Crennel, he's a good guy hope he keeps that job

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Pats 30 Broncos 20

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/18/peyton-throws-in-pads-after-practice/]Peyton throws in pads, after practice | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;868718][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/18/peyton-throws-in-pads-after-practice/]Peyton throws in pads, after practice | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

We all know that have to maintain some credibility and finish 2-14. ;)

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[quote=Alvin Walton;868010]Good, cause were gonna knock this guy on his ass again.

[img]http://snarkitect.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/gazoo.jpg[/img][/quote]

[COLOR="DarkRed"][B][SIZE="7"]pwned!!![/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

Who's d is worse? Pats or pack

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[quote=skinsfaninok;868732]Who's d is worse? Pats or pack[/quote]

Pats. You know things are bad when you have WRs playing as DBs.

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Broncos with TD's on their opening two drives, one of which was a nice Tebow run. I'd love to see them take down Golden Boy Brady and the Hoodie.

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Oh man, Andre Carter is hurt, they called a cart to get him. Maybe Tebow can cure him.

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[quote=Ruhskins;868740]Oh man, Andre Carter is hurt, they called a cart to get him. Maybe Tebow can cure him.[/quote]

Yeah carted off. That sucks. Andre is such a good dude.

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Patriots D SUCKS.

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I hope the Dolphin staff member that decided to unload worthless Welker is....still strapped to a table somewhere getting the Gitmo' Boy Howdy, waterboard for fun and profit gift set.....
Vinnie is with the Fins?

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[quote=Ruhskins;868740]Oh man, Andre Carter is hurt, they called a cart to get him. Maybe Tebow can cure him.[/quote]

Yeah saw that. Sucks for him, I was rooting for him in NE and was happy he was doing well because he always had the right attitude and mentality here in Washington.

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[quote=Hog1;868754]I hope the Dolphin staff member that decided to unload worthless Welker is....still strapped to a table somewhere getting the Gitmo' Boy Howdy, waterboard for fun and profit gift set.....
Vinnie is with the Fins?[/quote]

They probably sent him to Gitmo to make him eat a dick sandwich. But then again, I don't think anybody saw the Welker thing coming. It's also amazing what a receiver can do when he has a top 3 qb in the league throwing to him. Good for Belichick and whomever identified Welker's talents and traded for him.

Hey my man SF... How's sanchez look now?

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Yes, Tom. Keep on feeding Herrrrnandez. You must. My fantasy team depends on it. Don't give to Welker or Gronkowski either.

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My boss was at that Packers game.
He's going to be a crabby mofo tomorrow.

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LeSean McCoy has now set an Eagles' franchise record. Yet another record bites the dust.

"I haven't seen this much interest in a white Bronco since 1994." credit goes to a friend of someone on Twitter for that one lol.