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[quote=skinsguy;869026]So your saying that Minnesota takes Luck, trades Ponder to St. Louis for draft picks? Nope, I do not see that happening at all. First of all, these trades have to benefit both or all parties involved, and I just don't see how trading Ponder to St. Louis benefits St. Louis in the least. They already have their QB, just like Minnesota already has Ponder. And, if Minnesota drafted Luck as a bargaining chip, I think that's very risky on Minnesota's part. It would make more sense just to trade that pick down for more draft picks than holding Andrew Luck hostage.[/quote]

When did he suggest trading Ponder to St. Louis?

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[quote=GTripp0012;869006]Maybe as bad as?

I think Spurrier is a different animal though. Horrible head coach, put the franchise in a terrible spot. Still, longest losing streak was four games, longest home losing streak was three games, worst home record was 3-5. Shanahan's got all that beat, and against an easier schedule than Spurrier faced. Overall record favors Spurrier by a game. But I don't care so much about that.

Spurrier was unspeakably awful inside the division though. A division that was just as down then as the one Shanahan is competing in now.

[B]I know facts about the job Shanahan has done make people queasy though[/B].[/quote]

What facts are you speaking about? The obvious, well-known ones (McNabb, his actual win-loss record, his preseason comments about Beck/Grossman)?

Or - are you suggesting that you know additional facts which are not public knowledge?

If the first, true enough, their have been missteps - clearly. At the same time, after two seasons with a losing record and no hope of playoffs, the team clearly still believes in Shanahan and is willing to play for him. Not so at the end of either Zorn or Sprurrier. Those teams just quit and were playing out the string. As you implied, these last two games are important for this team going forward. Minnesota is a team that a "good" team should beat at home. Going out with a win against a division opponent, in their stadium, is a way to make a statement for the following year. I hope it breaks down that Philly needs to win that game and we then beat them.

Bottom line, Shanahan's numbers may not reflect a sea change in the way this organization is being run but, I would suggest, the way this team is playing at the end of a second losing season does.



I think these last two games are important for the team going forward. Avoiding double digit losses would be significant.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;869024][B]I am telling right now, Minnesota takes Luck without even a debate.[/B] Bradford becomes a 60/40 proposition, in favor of keeping Bradford and getting a truck load of draft picks for years to come, that could solidify the teams Oline and secondary. Wh[/quote]

While I doubt this is true - I think Minn trades for picks as Ponder has shown potential as a starter - I wouldn't rule it out. I mean, Carolina took Newton one year after drafting a QB in the first round (Clausen).

Still, I think Ponder>Clausen and with Frazier in his second year, I doubt he dumps his first round QB.

The "Luck Pick" is too valuable to both Minn and the Rams to spend it on one player, they will use it to improve other areas of the team.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;869035]While I doubt this is true - I think Minn trades for picks as Ponder has shown potential as a starter - I wouldn't rule it out. I mean, [B]Carolina took Newton one year after drafting a QB in the first round[/B] (Clausen).

Still, I think Ponder>Clausen and [B]with Frazier in his second year[/B], I doubt he dumps his first round QB.

The "Luck Pick" is too valuable to both Minn and the Rams to spend it on one player, they will use it to improve other areas of the team.[/quote]

In the end Frazier and the Vikes can potentially take a QB, but I think there is a big difference between their situation and the Panthers. Clausen was drafted by the old Panther's regime, and the new regime (Rivera) drafted Newton. Frazier drafted Ponder and it would look bad on his part to dump him after a year (especially coming off an abbreviated offseason).

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Luck is the most saught after QB since Payton Manning. Considered by most a once in a generation QB. Ponder has shown OK, was a stretch to say the least last year, at 12. This was mostly due to the lack of a free agent period and uncertanty of a lock out. Luck being available is a game changer. No way Minnisota walks away from this pick, unless they are incompetent.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;869041]Luck is the most saught after QB since Payton Manning. Considered by most a once in a generation QB. Ponder has shown OK, was a stretch to say the least last year, at 12. This was mostly due to the lack of a free agent period and uncertanty of a lock out. Luck being available is a game changer. No way Minnisota walks away from this pick, unless they are incompetent.[/quote]

I was talking about Minny picking after #1. Still, the Colts and the Vikes are in different situations in regards to QB. But, I am saying that if the Vikes have the #2 or #3 pick, they could trade down and build around Ponder.

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[quote=Ruhskins;869046]I was talking about Minny picking after #1. Still, the Colts and the Vikes are in different situations in regards to QB. But, I am saying that if the Vikes have the #2 or #3 pick, they could trade down and build around Ponder.[/quote]
This whole arguement is based on these teams getting the first pick. I agree that the Rams and Vikes dont take a QB, unless they get the first pick. If they get the first pick things get real cloudy, real fast.

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If things stay as they are I see something like

1. Colts-Luck
2. Rams-Blackmon
3. Vikings-Kalil
4. Dolphins (trade with Jaguars)-Barkley
5. Browns-RG III
6. Bucs-Quentin Coples
7. Bills (trade with Redskins)-Michael Floyd
8. Panthers-Morris Claiborne
9. Jaguars-Alshon Jeffery
10. Redskins-Landry Tannehill

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[quote=Ruhskins;869039]In the end Frazier and the Vikes can potentially take a QB, but I think there is a big difference between their situation and the Panthers. Clausen was drafted by the old Panther's regime, and the new regime (Rivera) drafted Newton. Frazier drafted Ponder and it would look bad on his part to dump him after a year (especially coming off an abbreviated offseason).[/quote]

You are correct, especially since Ponder was taken at #12 while Clausen was taken at #48. You can't give up on your own #12 pick as easily as you can someone else's #48.

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[quote=SmootSmack;869050]If things stay as they are I see something like

1. Colts-Luck
2. Rams-Blackmon
3. Vikings-Kalil
4. Dolphins (trade with Jaguars)-Barkley
5. Browns-RG III
6. Bucs-Quentin Coples
7. Bills (trade with Redskins)-Michael Floyd
8. Panthers-Morris Claiborne
9. Jaguars-Alshon Jeffery
10. Redskins-Landry Tannehill[/quote]

Landry Tannehill is awesome! He combines the best qualities of Landry Jones and Ryan Tannehill!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;869035]While I doubt this is true - I think Minn trades for picks as Ponder has shown potential as a starter - I wouldn't rule it out. I mean, Carolina took Newton one year after drafting a QB in the first round (Clausen).

Still, I think Ponder>Clausen and with Frazier in his second year, I doubt he dumps his first round QB.

The "Luck Pick" is too valuable to both Minn and the Rams to spend it on one player, they will use it to improve other areas of the team.[/quote]

From what little I've seen of Ponder, he looks much more promising than Clausen. I think Ponder is someone Minnesota needs to hang on to and build around. IF Minnesota got the Luck pick, I also agree, I think Minnesota trades that pick for more picks. However, moot point as I feel Indy will have the Luck pick regardless AND I feel they'll draft Andrew Luck.

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[quote=Lotus;869052]Landry Tannehill is awesome! He combines the best qualities of Landry Jones and Ryan Tannehill![/quote]

So a mustache and the ability to throw on the run?

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[quote=SmootSmack;869050]If things stay as they are I see something like

1. Colts-Luck
2. Rams-Blackmon
3. Vikings-Kalil
4. Dolphins (trade with Jaguars)-Barkley
5. Browns-RG III
6. Bucs-Quentin Coples
7. Bills (trade with Redskins)-Michael Floyd
8. Panthers-Morris Claiborne
9. Jaguars-Alshon Jeffery
10. Redskins-Landry Tannehill[/quote]

I will cry if we draft Landry Jones

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[quote=Chico23231;869007]I think we bottomed out as a franchise the last year of Zorn---a bottom out from every perspective of an organization. No matter who they brought in, we werent gonna win, for at least several years. Has he been perfect? nope...i think he is moving in the right direction[/quote]I think what we are accomplishing right now has a shot to be a positive move in the right direction. There's hardly anything to complain about from yesterdays game. But right now, as we speak, it's still an isolated stretch in a long season, kind of like that six week stretch for Zorn where things looked good after a 2-5 start.

What I'm saying is that the Shanahan era -- as a whole -- has been awful. But I am also saying that this by itself doesn't have to mean anything. If the Redskins really are on the right track, who cares how bad the last two years looked in comparison to other two year stretches in the Snyder era?

I think we'll learn a lot about the track the team is on in the next two weeks. If they get exposed, then we should say they got exposed. If they are making tangible, positive progress, then we should say that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;869050]If things stay as they are I see something like

1. Colts-Luck
2. Rams-Blackmon
3. Vikings-Kalil
4. Dolphins (trade with Jaguars)-Barkley
5. Browns-RG III
6. Bucs-Quentin Coples
7. Bills (trade with Redskins)-Michael Floyd
8. Panthers-Morris Claiborne
9. Jaguars-Alshon Jeffery
10. Redskins-Landry Tannehill[/quote]

Ugh that's seems a big stretch i.e. bad value at 10th overall. I guess in this scenario I hope we trade w/ the Jags...

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I mean looking at the entire draft we need a QB worse than any other team picking in the top 10 (assuming Manning plays another couple/few years), if anyone should be trading up to get one of the top talents it should be us.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;869034]What facts are you speaking about? The obvious, well-known ones (McNabb, his actual win-loss record, his preseason comments about Beck/Grossman)?

Or - are you suggesting that you know additional facts which are not public knowledge?

If the first, true enough, their have been missteps - clearly. At the same time, after two seasons with a losing record and no hope of playoffs, the team clearly still believes in Shanahan and is willing to play for him. Not so at the end of either Zorn or Sprurrier. Those teams just quit and were playing out the string. As you implied, these last two games are important for this team going forward. Minnesota is a team that a "good" team should beat at home. Going out with a win against a division opponent, in their stadium, is a way to make a statement for the following year. I hope it breaks down that Philly needs to win that game and we then beat them.

Bottom line, Shanahan's numbers may not reflect a sea change in the way this organization is being run but, I would suggest, the way this team is playing at the end of a second losing season does.

I think these last two games are important for the team going forward. Avoiding double digit losses would be significant.[/quote]Sorry, there was an inconsistent emphasis in that sentence. Reading again makes it seem like I'm working some sort of inside slant. With regards some sort of secret organizational disdain for the job the head coach is doing, I can really only say that [I]other[/I] organizations are skeptical. I don't know anything about what the team or other coaches or execs or owners of the Redskins think.

Anything I actually say about Mike Shanahan's line of thinking is pure observation or speculation.

I don't think it's accurate to say that Spurrier or Zorn's teams quit on them. I think it's accurate to say that the organization quit on Zorn at some point during the 2009 season (which it hasn't yet -- at least obviously -- done with Shanahan).

Obviously, with a team that hasn't won three games in a row for Shanahan yet and with a team that hasn't gone 3-3 in the division since Zorn was the coach, there is plenty for the team to prove down the stretch here. I'd say a 7-9 record with this kind of finish would put the team on schedule, pending future moves. It does not mean, to me at least, that the team is on the right track in spite of all the other evidence, but it would be an important first step, particularly with all the youth that is playing for this team.

I think the record would show with the history of this team that they probably aren't going to be that competitive in both of these last two games. So hopefully they can go out and show a couple more opponents that they can play a little bit.

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I give up on who the Redskins will draft until the season is over, if they win their next 2 games many things can change, even if they only beat the Vikings.

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[quote=The Goat;869064]Ugh that's seems a big stretch i.e. bad value at 10th overall. I guess in this scenario I hope we trade w/ the Jags...[/quote]

In that scenario we traded with the Bills.

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Well we do have a trading history (now) with the Jags, so hopefully we do trade with them.

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[quote=The Goat;869065]I mean looking at the entire draft we need a QB worse than any other team picking in the top 10 (assuming Manning plays another couple/few years), if anyone should be trading up to get one of the top talents it should be us.[/quote]
I agree, we have the biggest need at QB. We are the team that should be moving up. The way I see it, we need to come away with Luck, Barkley, or RG3. Period. And that order is also my order of preference.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;869080]I agree, we have the biggest need at QB. We are the team that should be moving up. The way I see it, we need to come away with Luck, Barkley, or RG3. Period. And that order is also my order of preference.[/quote]

Agreed.

[QUOTE=The Goat;869064]Ugh that's seems a big stretch i.e. bad value at 10th overall. I guess in this scenario I hope we trade w/ the Jags...[/QUOTE]

Truthishly, I'd have them taking one of those guys more in the 15-20 range. But I got lazy and didn't want to keep guessing picks

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Using Smoot's scenario as a jump off......and the idea of the Ram's trading Bradford...

If the Browns jump up to draft RGIII what would do you think it would take to get Colt McCoy (who's career production is on par if not better then Sam's Bradfords)?

I dont see where some of u guys are coming up w these QB scenarios?? Lol rams trading Sam? No chance
Vikings trading ponder after half a season?? No chance and no to colt McCoy he sucks, small and avg arm, I'd rathe have Sanchez. As For Landry jones, I hope he stays at OU he needs it. I want Barkley or Luck obviously that's prob not gonna happen so RG or Tannenhill seems more likely

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[quote=SmootSmack;868442]Wait a minute. I stayed in school and got my degree. Heck, I even got my graduate degree...and I'm hardly set for life[/quote]

Me too!! :iamwithst

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Last week I projected how the schedule would pan out for us and our draft prospects. Here is an update....

Indianapolis Colts 1-13
New England - Loss (L)
@Baltimore - Loss (L)
Tennessee - Loss ([COLOR="Red"]W[/COLOR])
Houston - Loss
@Jacksonville - Loss

Minnesota Vikings 2-12
Denver - Loss (L)
@Detroit - Loss (L)
New Orleans - Loss ([COLOR="Lime"]L[/COLOR])
@Washington - Loss
Chicago - Loss

St. Louis Rams 2-12
San Francisco - Loss (L)
@Seattle - Loss (L)
Cincinnati - Loss ([COLOR="Lime"]L[/COLOR])
@Pittsburgh - Loss
San Francisco - Loss

Carolina Panthers 6-8
@Tampa Bay - Loss (W)
Atlanta - Win (L)
@Houston - Loss ([COLOR="Red"]W[/COLOR])
Tampa Bay - Win
@New Orleans - Loss

Miami Dolphins 5-9
Oakland - Loss (W)
Philadelphia - Win (L)
@Buffalo - Win ([COLOR="lime"]W[/COLOR])
@New England - Loss
New York Jets - Loss

Jacksonville Jaguars 4-10
San Diego - Win (L)
Tampa Bay - Loss (W)
@Atlanta - Loss ([COLOR="Lime"]L[/COLOR])
@Tennessee - Loss
Indianapolis - Win

Washington Redskins 5-9
New York Jets - Loss (L)
New England - Loss (L)
@New York Giants - Loss ([COLOR="Red"]W[/COLOR])
Minnesota - Win
@Philadelphia - Loss

2012 Projected Draft Order **Note: Draft order subject to change**
1. Indianapolis Colts 1-16
2. St. Louis Rams 2-14
3. Minnesota Vikings 2-14
4. Cleveland Browns 4-12
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4-12
6. Jacksonville Jaguars 5-11
7. Miami Dolphins 5-11
8. Kansas City Chiefs 6-10
9. Washington Redskins 6-10
10. Carolina Panthers 6-10

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[quote=SkinzWin;869113]Last week I projected how the schedule would pan out for us and our draft prospects. Here is an update....

Indianapolis Colts 1-13
New England - Loss (L)
@Baltimore - Loss (L)
Tennessee - Loss ([COLOR=Red]W[/COLOR])
Houston - Loss
@Jacksonville - Loss

Minnesota Vikings 2-12
Denver - Loss (L)
@Detroit - Loss (L)
New Orleans - Loss ([COLOR=Lime]L[/COLOR])
@Washington - Loss
Chicago - Loss

St. Louis Rams 2-12
San Francisco - Loss (L)
@Seattle - Loss (L)
Cincinnati - Loss ([COLOR=Lime]L[/COLOR])
@Pittsburgh - Loss
San Francisco - Loss

Carolina Panthers 6-8
@Tampa Bay - Loss (W)
Atlanta - Win (L)
@Houston - Loss ([COLOR=Red]W[/COLOR])
Tampa Bay - Win
@New Orleans - Loss

Miami Dolphins 5-9
Oakland - Loss (W)
Philadelphia - Win (L)
@Buffalo - Win ([COLOR=lime]W[/COLOR])
@New England - Loss
New York Jets - Loss

Jacksonville Jaguars 4-10
San Diego - Win (L)
Tampa Bay - Loss (W)
@Atlanta - Loss ([COLOR=Lime]L[/COLOR])
@Tennessee - Loss
Indianapolis - Win

Washington Redskins 5-9
New York Jets - Loss (L)
New England - Loss (L)
@New York Giants - Loss ([COLOR=Red]W[/COLOR])
Minnesota - Win
@Philadelphia - Loss

2012 Projected Draft Order **Note: Draft order subject to change**
1. Indianapolis Colts 1-16
2. St. Louis Rams 2-14
3. Minnesota Vikings 2-14
4. Cleveland Browns 4-12
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4-12
6. Jacksonville Jaguars 5-11
7. Miami Dolphins 5-11
8. Kansas City Chiefs 6-10
9. Washington Redskins 6-10
10. Carolina Panthers 6-10[/quote]


Actually I say Indy goes 2-14 w STL, so I think the Rams would actually get the 1st pick right?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;869132]Actually I say Indy goes 2-14 w STL, so I think the Rams would actually get the 1st pick right?[/quote]

Do tied records go by head-to-head or strength of schedule? If it is head-to-head it would most definitely be St. Louis if that were to happen. But if it is S.O.S. then whoever has the lower strength would go first regardless of the heads up outcome.

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It's done by strength of schedule.

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[quote=The Goat;869065]I mean looking at the entire draft we need a QB worse than any other team picking in the top 10 (assuming Manning plays another couple/few years), if anyone should be trading up to get one of the top talents it should be us.[/quote]

If anyone should be trading up, it should be us. But I don't know if anyone should be trading up, unless the Colts would be willing to deal for Luck. There really is no sure thing in the draft, and many of the smarter organizations (Pats, Steelers) therefore rarely trade up, especially in the first found.

If the Skins fall to 10th in the draft, they should draft Jones and sign Matt Flynn. Flynn is a free agent at the end of the year; he won a national championship in college, has tutored under Aaron Rodgers for four years, and would come pretty cheap. It would be smart to take a chance on him and have a top ten draft pick to back him up.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;869105]I dont see where some of u guys are coming up w these QB scenarios?? Lol rams trading Sam? No chance
Vikings trading ponder after half a season?? No chance and no to colt McCoy he sucks, small and avg arm, I'd rathe have Sanchez. As For Landry jones, I hope he stays at OU he needs it. I want Barkley or Luck obviously that's prob not gonna happen so RG or Tannenhill seems more likely[/quote]


That's what I can't figure out either? No way the Rams trade Bradford, because the QB position is not the problem in St. Louis. I would probably say the same thing for Minnesota. If anything, those two teams trade down. From what it looks like to me, the teams who are truly in search for a QB in the draft would of course be the Redskins, the Colts, possibly the Chiefs, and MAYBE Miami. Although I think Matt Moore has done a pretty decent job in Miami, so you can essentially cut them from the list of teams wanting to draft a QB. Yes, Cleveland, Minnesota, and St. Louis have had rough seasons, but they all have young QBs who are either rookies, or still in development (Sam Bradford) so I honestly can't see everything of them drafting another QB.

This is probably the only time I'd be willing to go along with the Redskins giving up some valuable picks to land the quarterback they want. Then again, I'm not quite sold on that idea, but with the way the rookie QBs have been in the past couple of drafts, I'm feeling more confident that those top QB draftees are the real deal. Certainly I don't think it's a stretch for the Redskins to land RG III or Barkley. I think they'd have to do some very strong willing and dealing to land Luck.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;869105] No chance and no to colt McCoy he sucks, small and avg arm, I'd rathe have Sanchez.[/quote]
If you think Colt McCoy sucks then why doesn't Sam Bradford suck too?

And why would you want Sanchez?

I don't follow.

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[quote=SkinzWin;869113]Last week I projected how the schedule would pan out for us and our draft prospects. Here is an update....

2012 Projected Draft Order **Note: Draft order subject to change**
1. Indianapolis Colts 1-16
2. St. Louis Rams 2-14
3. Minnesota Vikings 2-14
4. Cleveland Browns 4-12
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4-12
6. Jacksonville Jaguars 5-11
7. Miami Dolphins 5-11
8. Kansas City Chiefs 6-10
9. Washington Redskins 6-10
10. Carolina Panthers 6-10[/quote]

If this is how the final draft order pans out then I think we may be shut out from getting one of the top three QB's. First of all, the Colts will take Luck. Secondly, I don't have much confidence that that the Skins would be willing to pay the price to trade up to either the second or the third spot or that either St. Louis or Minnesota would trade out of those spots. Both of those teams could use either Blackmon or Kalil. Lastly, I can't imagine Barkley and RGIII lasting past Cleveland, Jacksonville, Miami, and KC.

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Ok, I found a link that confirms that the only way that Luck fall from the Colts is if they loose out, they win the tie breakers. Here is a link that shows strength of schedule, the top 12 tems. Redskins included.

[URL="http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2011/12/20/nfl-draft-derby-colts-win-means-andrew-luck-is-suddenly-back-in-play-for-miami-dolphins/"]NFL Draft Derby: Colts’ win means Andrew Luck is suddenly back in play for Miami Dolphins | The Daily Dolphin[/URL]

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[quote=30gut;869184]If you think Colt McCoy sucks then why doesn't Sam Bradford suck too?

And why would you want Sanchez?

I don't follow.[/quote]


Sam Bradford has all the tools to become a great NFL QB, Colt may not suck (I hate texas lol) But he's small and has an avg arm on top of that he isn't very accurate, Bradford had a good rookie year but that team is just trash around him just wait until he actually gets some help. As for Sanchez I just see too much Rex Grossman in him, makes very poor decisions in to many games and always holds on to the ball way too long in the pocket. NTM his career numbers are very very AVG with a lot of talent around him.

SANCHEZ - 52 TDS 46 INTS 28 FUMBLES

Career rating - 74

No thanks

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[quote=skinsfaninok;869200]Sam Bradford has all the tools to become a great NFL QB, Colt may not suck (I hate texas lol) But he's small and has an avg arm on top of that he isn't very accurate, Bradford had a good rookie year but that team is just trash around him just wait until he actually gets some help. As for Sanchez I just see too much Rex Grossman in him, makes very poor decisions in to many games and always holds on to the ball way too long in the pocket. NTM his career numbers are very very AVG with a lot of talent around him.

SANCHEZ - 52 TDS 46 INTS 28 FUMBLES

Career rating - 74

No thanks[/quote]

I know a lot of you guys don't like Sanchez, I do. Put him under Kyle's tutelage and you will see a different QB, Shottenheimer is not that good a coordinator, he's overrated.

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I wan't nothing to do with Mark sanchez. Same with McCoy. Draft a QB or get Sam Bradford.

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[quote=SkinzWin;869113]Last week I projected how the schedule would pan out for us and our draft prospects. Here is an update....

2012 Projected Draft Order **Note: Draft order subject to change**
1. Indianapolis Colts 1-16
2. St. Louis Rams 2-14
3. Minnesota Vikings 2-14
4. Cleveland Browns 4-12
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4-12
6. Jacksonville Jaguars 5-11
7. Miami Dolphins 5-11
8. Kansas City Chiefs 6-10
9. Washington Redskins 6-10
10. Carolina Panthers 6-10[/quote]
While this would present a 'worst case scenario' for many fans seeing that Indy, Cleveland and Miami are ahead of us in draft position, that simply would ensure we would trade up to #3 to get our guy. Really, our hope needs to be that the Rams secure the #1 pick and Indy falls down as far as #3. That will be really interesting because then Andrew Luck is still in play. Don't fully discount Bradford being available also if that's the case, especially if Spags gets fired as is rumored.

I'm not wholly convinced that Cleveland is going QB since they have a young QB and talent surrounding him so they may opt for Richardson or Blackmon instead of a QB. Miami likely will go QB but living down here, it is for the wrong reasons. They need a face of the franchise and someone to fill the void that still exists from Marino.

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[quote=SmootSmack;869050]If things stay as they are I see something like

1. Colts-Luck
2. Rams-Blackmon
3. Vikings-Kalil
4. Dolphins (trade with Jaguars)-Barkley
5. Browns-RG III
6. Bucs-Quentin Coples
7. Bills (trade with Redskins)-Michael Floyd
8. Panthers-Morris Claiborne
9. Jaguars-Alshon Jeffery
10. Redskins-Landry Tannehill[/quote]

Not happy...I want to be the one making that trade with jax to get RG3.