Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

People always seem to forget Morris was an HC for three years (not two) and he finished 3-13 his first year.

But anyway, as has been mentioned Morris as a position coach should be just fine. His problem as a HC was when he tried to hard to discipline a player the team was like "this isn't you, and turned a deaf ear" so then he would do outlandish stuff like send Brian Price home at halftime for a false start (or whatever it was). Point is, he struggled to effectively cross the line from "hey, I'm your buddy let's work on some drills after practice" to "you're five minutes late to the film session, you're not starting on Sunday"

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

[quote=GTripp0012;875068]What is funny is that I don't remember anyone during the season saying "the Redskins need to upgrade their secondary coach." Raheem Morris is a relatively big name for a position coach. But I also don't remember people saying, "the Redskins don't have enough 'name' coaches on the staff."

At no point next year will I be able to judge Raheem Morris on the quality of his work here. Neither will anyone else. I hope he does really well. But we'll probably never know what kind of effect he is having on the players' lives, without having that personal connection with the players.

If you find that analysis to be negative, you can just block me now.[/quote]

Tripp, you're too young to remember the coaching staff for the Redskins back in the 80's. They had several head coaches during their Super Bowl years - mostly all of them position coaches. So, it is not uncommon for a head coach to accept a job as a position coach, especially if the money isn't bad.

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

Whatever the case may be, Raheem Morris has had success as a coordinator as well as head coach. By any objective measure, this is a move with some upside. Does Morris need to tweak his coaching style, yeah probably. All coaches go through some kind of learning curve. Tom Coughlin, with his disciplinarian ways a few seasons ago, almost lost his locker room and the Giants were "doomed". The players quit, tuned him out, blah blah. Tom Coughlin adjusted his style and the Giants are consistently in the playoffs and have a Super Bowl ring to boot. We have such short memories sometimes.

To be clear, I'm not making any direct coaching comparisons between Raheem Morris and Tom Coughlin, but just because Morris' team supposedly quit on him last season is by no means the end of this guy or any reflection of how successful he can be in the long run.

The truth is our secondary hasn't been the same since Sean Taylor passed away. We've been replacing this guy and that guy for the past four years. I like the Morris move and hopefully it will encourage Laron Landry to give it another go and stay with the Redskins.

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Unless you're really close to the team & know the dynamics of the staff/player relationships, I find it hard to assess the impact of a position coach change. A coordinator change can be easily observed from the outside; you can see the change in scheme & overall performance. Position coaches by nature will have drastically different impacts from team to team based on how the coordinator runs that unit.

I actually disagree for the most part that the secondary was really disappointing. I thought they played decently this year. Of course I'd love to see some upgrades there, but that's the case for this team across the board. I don't think it is anywhere near our greatest need.

I think most of our sacks were coverage sacks. If we timed each sack this year I would bet that most passed the common threshold (whatever that is, I don't know) for how long a QB should hold the ball. Orakpo forced a lot of throws or scrambles, otherwise it was rare that pressure got to the qb early in his read, even when blitzing.

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

Seems like a good hire. Not sure what there is to hate on, but some will always find something I guess.

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

[quote=freddyg12;875153]Unless you're really close to the team & know the dynamics of the staff/player relationships, I find it hard to assess the impact of a position coach change. A coordinator change can be easily observed from the outside; you can see the change in scheme & overall performance. Position coaches by nature will have drastically different impacts from team to team based on how the coordinator runs that unit.

I actually disagree for the most part that the secondary was really disappointing. I thought they played decently this year. Of course I'd love to see some upgrades there, but that's the case for this team across the board. I don't think it is anywhere near our greatest need.

[B]I think most of our sacks were coverage sacks. If we timed each sack this year I would bet that most passed the common threshold (whatever that is, I don't know) for how long a QB should hold the ball. [/B]Orakpo forced a lot of throws or scrambles, otherwise it was rare that pressure got to the qb early in his read, even when blitzing.[/quote]

This is the single least talked about story this season. Our secondary actually had a good year. Wasn't stellar, but time and time again a lot of our sacks attributed to good coverage. The numbers point to Rak and Kerrigan getting to the QB, but like yourself, I noticed on several occasions the QB just couldn't find an open receiver.

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

[quote=Mattyk;875154]Seems like a good hire. Not sure what there is to hate on, but some will always find something I guess.[/quote]

Well...mix up the letters in Raheem Morris and you get I M ERROR SHAME...so there you have it

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

Can't argue with logic.....

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

I havent had time to read every post so sorry if i repeat anything:


Hasslett had been considered a HC canidate to some degree (not my opinion). I would have thought that Morris could have gotten a better job had he waited for all the HC vacancies to be filled. So maybe because of his relationship with Allen and the possability of Hasslett leaving in the next couple of years Morris liked the potential for oppertunity in DC.

Id like to know if Hasslet was 100% behind this hiring. Morris seems like a easy going "players coach" but at the same time he has got to have a huge ego, hes was a NFL head coach after all. I hope there isnt a a too many Cheifs not enough Indians thing going on next year.

Early in the thread someone mentioned that this may signle the Redskins going after a DB early in the draft and i too think hiring Morris makes it more likely

I wonder if this means anything for Aqib Talib? He's in his last year of contract and depending on who Tampa hires he may very well be realeased or traded for nothing in the near future. Morris drafted him and i [I]think[/I] fought to keep him when TB nearly released him last year.

I do think this soudns like a very good thing for the Redskins, and it almost seems like Morris wanted to be part of the organization. I love that Raheem Morris signed so quickly after being fired, it seems like the dude just really wants to get to work. Hes a 35 year old multi-millionaire and didnt even take 10 days off after being fired from one of the most stressful and time consuming jobs; NFL head coach.

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

[quote=Mattyk;875154]Seems like a good hire. Not sure what there is to hate on, but some will always find something I guess.[/quote]


Hatters gonna hat.

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

[quote=Giantone;875132]I like the guy but one of the knocks was that his players quit on him this year.[/quote]

Is that him or his players' fault? They were good before...then as soon as the get some injuries and some adversity they fold up? It certainly could be that he didn't do a good job or it could be that the players are young and nothing he did would have changed it.

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

I'm concerned that Morris might be a bit out of his element, coaching up d-backs in a 3-4. However, he's a smart enough guy to figure that out. What concerns me more is the idea that he might be hired to eventually replace Haslett if Haslett leaves for a HC position. That would be a return to typical Redskins FO bull****. Completely turning around the direction of the team by enacting a 3-4 defense, spend a couple of years drafting, signing and developing players to fit into it, and then going back on it after a short period of time.

As I said, that's what concerns me about the Morris hire. Ideally though, the Skins hired him to be nothing more than a dbacks coach, which is the impression I get when reading about it. He was promised by Shanahan that he can look for D-Coordinator positions next season. The impression I get is that the Skins aren't interested in Morris ever being anything more than a positions coach, which is the best position they can take.

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

Whether you run a 3-4 or a 4-3, what goes on in the secondary doesn't change. The alignment you run only impacts the front seven.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;875075]I'm like tripp in many ways, I always get cautious over moves the skins make simply because we suck and have for 20 years now.. he and I are about the same age and have never seen a winner in dc so u have to understand our pain[/quote]

LOL. A few weeks ago I was talking with my sister about the same thing. We're both in our 40's and were talking about the younger fans and how much we feel bad for them. They don't know what it use to be like around here...where you actually felt apart of something special.

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

[quote=SmootSmack;875147]People always seem to forget Morris was an HC for three years (not two) and he finished 3-13 his first year.

But anyway, as has been mentioned Morris as a position coach should be just fine. His problem as a HC was when he tried to hard to discipline a player the team was like "this isn't you, and turned a deaf ear" so then he would do outlandish stuff like send Brian Price home at halftime for a false start (or whatever it was). Point is, he struggled to effectively cross the line from "hey, I'm your buddy let's work on some drills after practice" to "you're five minutes late to the film session, you're not starting on Sunday"[/quote]

Can't blame Morris cause the players were too young and immature. In the end the players let him down cause they didn't want to act like professionals.

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[quote=Mattyk;875188]Whether you run a 3-4 or a 4-3, what goes on in the secondary doesn't change. The alignment you run only impacts the front seven.[/quote]

Man, you just love being a grumpy little contrarian don't you?

The d-back responsibilities in a 3-4 defense are certainly different. They play more zone, are more responsible for outside run games, have substantially more coordinating with linebackers in multiple receiver threats, etc. Of course, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

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[quote=Coff;875220]Man, you just love being a grumpy little contrarian don't you?

The d-back responsibilities in a 3-4 defense are certainly different. They play more zone, are more responsible for outside run games, have substantially more coordinating with linebackers in multiple receiver threats, etc. Of course, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.[/quote]

Grumpy?

News to me.

I'm just going off what we've asked guys like Reed Doughty in the past. He said the differences were minimal for the secondary.

[B][quote] [/B]
[B]WP: How is the transition coming with the switch to the 3-4?

[/B][I]RD: The transition for the Safeties is not that drastic. We are asked to play a lot more coverages and schemes but that has more to do with Coach Haslett's mentality than it does switching to 3-4. The 3-4 affects the DE/LB guys and the other Defensive line up front.[/I]
[B][/quote][/B]

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

[quote=Mattyk;875224]Grumpy?

News to me.

I'm just going off what we've asked guys like Reed Doughty in the past. He said the differences were minimal for the secondary.[/quote]

Then again it is Ree Doughty we're talking about. I keed I keed.

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

[quote=FRPLG;875114]For the record the year before he was 10-6 with a team starting 10 rookies. Don't fall victim to the "error of recency". I can't tell why they stunk up the joint this season anymore than I can tell why they didn't the year before...neither means he's great or awful.[/quote]

Morris' Bucs did just fine in 2010. It would not be a shock to see a young team regress from a 10-6 record. However, what the Bucs showed in 2011 has to be categorized as "disturbing". Losing 10 in a row and losing 4 games by more than 4 TDs is not just a regression from a surprisingly good season; it is a collapse.

Morris and the rest of the coaching staff have to own a significant part of the collapse of the team - - the part that is over and above a mere regression.

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

[quote=Coff;875220]Man, you just love being a grumpy little contrarian don't you?

The d-back responsibilities in a 3-4 defense are certainly different. They play more zone, are more responsible for outside run games, have substantially more coordinating with linebackers in multiple receiver threats, etc. Of course, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.[/quote]
Who do you think we are? Oakland? Most teams play a zone of some sort and our DBs are not good enough to be left on a island all the time.

And DBs helping run support is universal. Antoine Winfield is a cover 2 corner who plays in a 4-3, and his role in run support is well-noted.

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

[quote=skinsfan69;875199]Can't blame Morris cause the players were too young and immature.[/quote]


......how old is Rhonda Barber?

So you can't blame a young head coach for not coaching his own players???

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

[quote=mlmpetert;875179]I havent had time to read every post so sorry if i repeat anything:


Hasslett had been considered a HC canidate to some degree (not my opinion). I would have thought that Morris could have gotten a better job had he waited for all the HC vacancies to be filled. So maybe because of his relationship with Allen and the possability of Hasslett leaving in the next couple of years Morris liked the potential for oppertunity in DC.


.[/quote]

.....you do know Hasslett use to be the head Coach of the Saints?

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[quote=Giantone;875314]......how old is [B]Rhonda [/B]Barber?

So you can't blame a young head coach for not coaching his own players???[/quote]

Is that Ronde's daughter?

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

For me it boils down to whom I would rather have: Morris, or Jackson? I'd rather have Morris, because I think his experience leading 53 guys for 3 seasons will make the transition to coaching 10 or so guys a lot easier. Plus he has a good argument for being a position coach, just not a head coach. People say our secondary really wasn't that much of a problem last year, but I remember it letting us down in key moments and also all the big time quarterbacks that carved us up. I was in "wait and see" mode in regards to their personnel decisions at the start of the season, but they failed once again in those regards. I trust Raheem Morris to find guys that he thinks will excel in what he wants his db's to do, because as has been said, finding talent wasn't his problem, it was how he communicated with that talent in order to get them to do what he wanted. And it should be easier with 10 guys instead of an entire locker room.

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[quote=Lotus;875323]Is that Ronde's daughter?[/quote]

Maybe it's one of Tiki's twin daughters that his ex-wife had after he dumped her for that 23 year old model?

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

[quote=GTripp0012;875031]Don't know what to think about this. Morris did a really crappy job of coaching his team last season. [B]He's also totally overqualified[/B] to be a DB's coach at this point in his career.[/quote]

We've tried underqualified at every rung on the organizational ladder over the last 20 years. Overqualified doesn't sound so bad at this point.

[quote=GTripp0012;875031][B]Our current DBs don't really lend themselves to coaching, necessarily[/B]. Barnes and Westbrook are going to be in contract years. Everyone else is a veteran. [/quote]

Good point. Why have a DB coach at all? I nominate DHall for DB Player/Coach...

"Ok DBs gather round!! Here's today's agenda:

First I'm gonna teach you the 15-yd cushion off the LOS. I especially like to use this tactic when the opponent is faced with 3rd and 5.

Next I'll show you how to lay the wood on a guy when he's already 5 yds out of bounds. You will likely get a 15-yd penalty but your teammates will be pumped.

Finally I will teach you how to trash talk a receiver after he spins you around 3 times and beats you for a 30-yd reception. It takes a special skill to do that and I will teach you that skill."

[quote=GTripp0012;875031]I guess the validity of this move depends on who the Redskins bring in at defensive back.[/quote]

Not sure what one has to do with the other.

[quote=12thMan;875158]This is the single least talked about story this season. [B]Our secondary actually had a good year[/B]. Wasn't stellar, but time and time again a lot of our sacks attributed to good coverage. The numbers point to Rak and Kerrigan getting to the QB, but like yourself, I noticed on several occasions the QB just couldn't find an open receiver.[/quote]

False.

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

Could the Vikes offer the DC position to Morris?

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Jaguars defensive coordinator Mel Tucker turned down an offer from the Minnesota Vikings to remain in Jacksonville as the DC.

Re: Raheem Morris to the Redskins
 

[quote=Lotus;875323]Is that Ronde's daughter?[/quote]


My bad, ebonics is killing me.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;875365][QUOTE=12thMan;875158]This is the single least talked about story this season. Our secondary actually had a good year. Wasn't stellar, but time and time again a lot of our sacks attributed to good coverage. The numbers point to Rak and Kerrigan getting to the QB, but like yourself, I noticed on several occasions the QB just couldn't find an open receiver.[/quote]

False.[/quote]

True, but only later in the year......early on they were vulnerable - despite the strong, defensive start.

Once they got it together, the secondary was very good. There is more to coaching than technique, however.....this team kind of quit when they were eliminated from playoff contention.

[QUOTE=Giantone;875401]My bad, ebonics is killing me.[/QUOTE]

Or maybe you just spelled it wrong.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;875405]Or maybe you just spelled it wrong.[/quote]

who me?nope.