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[quote=Dirtbag59;876288]Mike: Right now it’s easy to be more intrigued by Griffin than anyone else. My preference: getting the best QB you can find is the option. If that means trading up for Griffin, then do it. Shanahan is not one to settle for a guy if he thinks he can land an elite player. There’s no guarantee with any player, but having to trade a couple picks for a guy I think can really play would not be a deterrent. To trade up high in the first round means you’re convinced the player will be elite. If you’re not convinced, don’t do it. There’s nothing the Redskins have needed more for a long time than a franchise QB. If that’s Griffin, get him and don’t hesitate.

JK


Read more at the Washington Examiner: [URL="http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2012/01/redskins-mailbag-ask-john/2090416#ixzz1jeqrBvUO"]Redskins mailbag: Ask John | John Keim | NFL | Washington Examiner[/URL][/quote]


Keim is excellent. Great perspective, seems to know his stuff.

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[quote=bsteinel;877228]Wait a year and draft Barkley[/quote]

And be in the same predicament...

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How about this guy right here. A home town kid. He'll be ready in a few years...

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tZgylbmXWs]Mekel Watson 2011 Highlight tape - YouTube[/url]

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[quote=IrMitchell;875403]Ladies and Gentlemen, Chandler Harnish from his senior year.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3r2QIv_pyo]Chandler Harnish: 2011 MAC MVP - YouTube[/url]


I know it's a highlight tape, but impressive for a guy nobody is talking about yet.[/quote]

I see one concern is he does not taking any snaps from under center so this will hurt him when scouts look at the tape. He will be a late round project.

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[quote=IrMitchell;875403]Ladies and Gentlemen, Chandler Harnish from his senior year.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3r2QIv_pyo]Chandler Harnish: 2011 MAC MVP - YouTube[/url]


I know it's a highlight tape, but impressive for a guy nobody is talking about yet.[/quote]

I guess he does not take any snaps from under center in his college offense. This will hurt his draft stock.

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[quote=bsteinel;877228]Wait a year and draft Barkley[/quote]

Starting to sound like a pretty decent option. Imagine what the team would look like next year with 8-10 new draft picks and another round of free agency. Would be a great situation for someone like Barkley to walk into. Won't happen, but wouldn't be the end of the world.

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[quote=44Deezel;877252]Starting to sound like a pretty decent option. Imagine what the team would look like next year with 8-10 new draft picks and another round of free agency. Would be a great situation for someone like Barkley to walk into. Won't happen, but wouldn't be the end of the world.[/quote]
Yeah, it would look like a team that was 0-16, to assure they get Barkley. It would be criminal not make a move to get a QB. I hear allot of we have to get my guy. I will be happy as long as we get one of the three guys that have been discussed. Matt Flynn, Payton Manning, or RG3. If not, I will be upset. Maybe there is a guy that makes sense, that we don't know about. But aside from that, they better get one of them.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;875822]2012 1st rounder
2012 3rd rounder
2013 1st rounder
2013 3rd rounder

for RGIII??? I'd do it.[/quote]
I would do it if we could not get Flynn or Manning. I think the Redskins should be talking to the Rams now, and trying to get a trade done prior to free agency. I am not sure that is within the rules, but if they are going to rely on getting RG3, they better have that 2nd pick rapped up before free agency.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;877311]Yeah, it would look like a team that was 0-16, to assure they get Barkley. It would be criminal not make a move to get a QB. I hear allot of we have to get my guy. I will be happy as long as we get one of the three guys that have been discussed. Matt Flynn, Payton Manning, or RG3. If not, I will be upset. Maybe there is a guy that makes sense, that we don't know about. But aside from that, they better get one of them.[/quote]

Yeah like maybe someone like Sam Bradford?

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[quote=SmootSmack;877314]Yeah like maybe someone like Sam Bradford?[/quote]
I think that will never happen, but trumps everything, other than a completely healthy Manning.

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[quote=SmootSmack;877314]Yeah like maybe someone like Sam Bradford?[/quote]

Stop it SS your getting me excited, it's way to early for that.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;877327]Stop it SS your getting me excited, it's way to early for that.[/quote]

I'm just throwing out a wishful guess is all

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Do you think the price to trade up for Bradford would be less than RG3?

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;877338]Do you think the price to trade up for Bradford would be less than RG3?[/quote]

Probably yes.

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[quote=SmootSmack;877339]Probably yes.[/quote]
I heard on sirius that Bradford was the one who convinced the coach to come there. I find it hard to believe they trade him.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;877344]I heard on sirius that Bradford was the one who convinced the coach to come there. I find it hard to believe they trade him.[/quote]

I don't think he's likely to be traded. I was just saying if he was the price is probably less than what it would take to get RG3 at #2

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Will Bradford make more than Luck and RG3? If so, is it better value to trade up for either of them?

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Tannehill against Northwestern

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Really I think this is a good example of how much he struggled during the second half of this season. He seemed to lose confidence. His ball placement is erratic, his receivers aren't getting separation, he's questioning his reads. Sometimes he takes charge of the play at the line at looks great, but he's not controlling the game like he was in his first 10 or so A&M starts. He's misreading the coverage waaay too often to be comfortable. In this game, he looks more like Osweiler, but without the ability.

I think the dysfunction at A&M this year probably caused Tannehill to develop some bad habits and make some questionable decisions, but when you compare him to a guy like Foles who played in all sorts of dysfunction the last two years and still completes 67-70% of his throws, Tannehill just doesn't grade out as a top two round guy.

He's my 7th rated QB right now, and I'm not rating Weeden (who is a better player) because of his age.

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GTripp, I would like your analysis of Foles along with video if you don't mind.

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While I'm trying to dig up Foles tapes, here's a couple of Osweiler's more questionable games. I actually thought he hung in pretty well against Oregon, though the Illinois tape is more bad than good. Same with Boise.

Brock Osweiler vs. Oregon

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Brock Osweiler vs. Illinois

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Brock Osweiler vs. Boise

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc_j2b_7lPM[/ame]

Talent is undeniable, but the actual decisions he makes are incredibly questionable.

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Kellen Moore vs. Air Force

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIuwcRggSZk[/ame]

Here's one where Osweiler really threw the ball well. This is "high upside" Brock Osweiler:

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Here's a loaded RGIII post with plenty of video

[url=http://draftbreakdown.com/scouting-report-robert-griffin-iii]Draft Breakdown — Scouting Report: Robert Griffin III[/url]

One more Tannehill video, this time vs. a struggling OU defense:

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I'll provide analysis on this post soon, but here's two Kirk Cousins games:

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;878794]GTripp, I would like your analysis of Foles along with video if you don't mind.[/quote]I'll go with two Foles tapes: the game that everyone who hates Foles goes to for evidence he can't play, plus a couple of slightly more glowing ones.

Nick Foles vs. Oklahoma State

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Foles had his worst game of the season. But the only thing really notable about this game for Foles was how quickly the OSU scoreboard keeps ascending. Foles made a number of key throws in this game to keep Arizona in it until the fourth quarter, but he simply couldn't compete with a nationally ranked team.

Arizona's left and right tackles are awful football players and I don't think their receivers get much separation.

Foles gets caught guessing based on a presnap look about 3 or 4 times in the first half, leading to a negative play. He does this far less as the season progresses, but this is a tendency he showed in 2009 and 2010. I thought the OSU defense disguised their stuff pretty well, and was able to go blow for blow with Nick Foles (not that they needed to, with their offense).

Nick Foles vs. Arizona State

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There's an argument to be had (based on this tape and Senior Bowl work) that Foles simply needs to work faster. He processes information quickly, but if he's going to fail in the NFL it is because he doesn't get the ball out quickly enough snap to release to help his receivers.

Foles throws a lot of guys open. He has to. There is no alternative. These is not only a weak supporting cast, but a lot of these receivers he throws to are just soft football players.

To me, Nick Foles handles speed deficiencies really well. Oregon vs. Arizona and USC vs. Arizona should have been total mismatches on paper, but Foles can speed himself up or slow himself down even when the defense can play much faster than his offense. He couldn't have completed 70% of his passes against a Pac-12 schedule otherwise.

[url=http://draftbreakdown.com/assessing-nick-foles]Draft Breakdown — Assessing Nick Foles[/url]

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no tannehill, no weeden, please. If you sign flynn and get tannehill or whatever, fine - great.

If we get RGIII, great, but don't whiff and don't sell me on a 2nd tier guy if you can't get your guy.

and we will need a WR, whether its blackmon or bowe or whoever. I wouldn't mind flynn, bowe, claiborne, xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx I'd be estatic.

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[quote=That Guy;878822]no tannehill, no weeden, please. If you sign flynn and get tannehill or whatever, fine - great.

If we get RGIII, great, but don't whiff and don't sell me on a 2nd tier guy if you can't get your guy.

and we will need a WR, whether its blackmon or bowe or whoever. I wouldn't mind flynn, bowe, claiborne, xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx I'd be estatic.[/quote]

I agree, shanahan has to the choose who he feels fits well here. If he goes the weeden, tannehill, foles route and doesn't sign Flynn or get Hoyer it will be a hard sell if he starts the season with grossman or beck. So I think he either has to give up a lot of picks and move up for RG3 or either get Flynn or Hoyer then draft a QB in the second round.

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GTripp whats you opinion on Cousins? I heard he is a leader and an alright prospect.

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Tripp:

Thanks for the vids Bro.

RG3 is the guy we need. bottom line.

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[quote=musicmaster45;878852]GTripp whats you opinion on Cousins? I heard he is a leader and an alright prospect.[/quote]I have a fringe first round grade on him and think he's the 5th best QB prospect in this draft (Luck-Moore-Griffin-Foles)

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[quote=GTripp0012;878792]Tannehill against Northwestern

[YT]Js5si7nyzSE[/YT]

Really I think this is a good example of how much he struggled during the second half of this season. He seemed to lose confidence. His ball placement is erratic, his receivers aren't getting separation, he's questioning his reads. Sometimes he takes charge of the play at the line at looks great, but he's not controlling the game like he was in his first 10 or so A&M starts. He's misreading the coverage waaay too often to be comfortable. In this game, he looks more like Osweiler, but without the ability.

I think the dysfunction at A&M this year probably caused Tannehill to develop some bad habits and make some questionable decisions, but when you compare him to a guy like Foles who played in all sorts of dysfunction the last two years and still completes 67-70% of his throws, Tannehill just doesn't grade out as a top two round guy.

He's my 7th rated QB right now, and I'm not rating Weeden (who is a better player) because of his age.[/quote]

Tannehill didn't even play QB until he got to college. No way would I touch this guy.

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I think out of all the guys in the draft outside of Luck and RG3, Foles has the most upside. He needs to be coached up and his mechanics need work, but he'd be my guy. If they want to try and win now, perhaps Weedon is the guy. But if we draft a QB, I hope it's one of the two.

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[quote=skinsfan69;879066]Tannehill didn't even play QB until he got to college. No way would I touch this guy.[/quote]

What are you talking about? He played QB in high school

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Let's draft Blackmon in the first round then Weeden in the second!

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I am just not impressed by Tannehill and Cousins at all.
Tannehill seems to get flustered once the pocket collapses and has trouble thinking on his feet.

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[quote=diehard;879407]Let's draft Blackmon in the first round then Weeden in the second![/quote]

I'd be down for that now

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[quote=diehard;879407]Let's draft Blackmon in the first round then Weeden in the second![/quote]

I doubt Blackmon falls to #6 and I'm worried Weeden won't last to the second round.

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[quote=SBXVII;879513]I doubt Blackmon falls to #6 and [B]I'm worried Weeden won't last to the second round.[/B][/quote]

He won't last until March, when I'll be Weeden my garden.

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When is the first day that trades will be allowed?

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[quote=T.O.Killa;879549]When is the first day that trades will be allowed?[/quote]

I believe when the new league year starts in March.

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[quote=Lotus;879546]He won't last until March, when I'll be Weeden my garden.[/quote]

Skins nation definitely needs a dude named Lotus that gets rid of weed!! Please send your biz card to our TE & LT asap!

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[quote=GTripp0012;878792]Tannehill against Northwestern

[YT]Js5si7nyzSE[/YT]

Really I think this is a good example of how much he struggled during the second half of this season. He seemed to lose confidence. His ball placement is erratic, his receivers aren't getting separation, he's questioning his reads. Sometimes he takes charge of the play at the line at looks great, but he's not controlling the game like he was in his first 10 or so A&M starts. He's misreading the coverage waaay too often to be comfortable. In this game, he looks more like Osweiler, but without the ability.

I think the dysfunction at A&M this year probably caused Tannehill to develop some bad habits and make some questionable decisions, but when you compare him to a guy like Foles who played in all sorts of dysfunction the last two years and still completes 67-70% of his throws, Tannehill just doesn't grade out as a top two round guy.

He's my 7th rated QB right now, [B]and I'm not rating Weeden[/B] (who is a better player) because of his age.[/quote]

You mean you don't think we'll pick him due to age? I'm coming around on the idea of picking Weeden. He seems like a winner. Hopefully he's no Chris Weinke.