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Forget Eddie Royal and just draft Chris Rainey.

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[quote=SmootSmack;880369]Who's saying that?[/quote]

Jon Bon Jovi? I think that Royal is a better WR than Hester and Hester is the better WR. I don't see why we won't sign Royal and draft both Rainey and Criner. A core of:

Jabar Gaffney
Leonard Hankerson
Eddie Royal
Chris Rainey
Niles Paul
Aldrick Robinson
Jurion Criner

Yeah it's 7 WRs and I think Robinson ends up being odd man out.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;880353]Just read a Tweet by Matt Williamson that the Dolphins are going to the 4-3 defense...

"Matt Williamson
Talked about it on today's podcast, but #Dolphins going to 4-3 makes no sense at all to me. Have to Solai will then leave in free agency"[/QUOTE]You can never have enough talent along the DL and Soliai would be a natural fit in our 3-4 at NT and DE.
If we sign Soliai and add him to a front 3 of Cofield and Bowen that would create a front 3 with the potential to be dominant.
Then throw in Jarvis Jenkins as part of the rotation we would go 4 deep of quality 3-4 DL.
Soliai would be my number 1 FA target.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;880389]Jon Bon Jovi? I think that Royal is a better WR than Hester and Hester is the better WR. I don't see why we won't sign Royal and draft both Rainey and Criner. A core of:

Jabar Gaffney
Leonard Hankerson
Eddie Royal
Chris Rainey
Niles Paul
Aldrick Robinson
Jurion Criner

Yeah it's 7 WRs and I think Robinson ends up being odd man out.[/quote]

With that lineup, which is great by the way, I see no point in having Royal. Criner might be a better prospect than Hankerson. Gaffney, Hankerson, Criner, Niles Paul and Rainey. Rainey is your kick/punter returner, a slot guy and a guy getting touches out of the backfield.

I would strongly suggest drafting both Criner and Rainey. We need weapons and both those guys qualify.

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[quote=Chico23231;880401]With that lineup, which is great by the way, I see no point in having Royal. Criner might be a better prospect than Hankerson. Gaffney, Hankerson, Criner, Niles Paul and Rainey. Rainey is your kick/punter returner, a slot guy and a guy getting touches out of the backfield.

I would strongly suggest drafting both Criner and Rainey. We need weapons and both those guys qualify.[/quote]

Even then I would still brin in Royal. I don't see Gaffney being here two more years.

Hankerson
Criner
Royal
Rainey

could rival

Jennings
Nelson
Jones
Driver

or

Nicks
Cruz
Manningham
Barden

or

Colston
Henderson
Moore
Meachem

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;880406]Even then I would still brin in Royal. I don't see Gaffney being here two more years.

Hankerson
Criner
Royal
Rainey

could rival

Jennings
Nelson
Jones
Driver

or

Nicks
Cruz
Manningham
Barden

or

Colston
Henderson
Moore
Meachem[/QUOTE]

U have to get Rodgers, Manning and brees type qb to make those guys look great though

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[quote=skinsfaninok;880411]U have to get Rodgers, Manning and brees type qb to make those guys look great though[/quote]

Do I? or will our QB be good enough to do that?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;880419]Do I? or will our QB be good enough to do that?[/quote]

Who is "our QB"?

Can John Beck make those guys into an elite WR corps? Personally, I do not think so...

Can Rex Grossman? I do not think so ...

Can Caleb Haine? No.

Can Drew Brees or a healthy Peyton Manning? You bet your butt.

Kyle Orton? Quite possibly.

Chad Henne? Possibly.

Until I know who "our QB" is going to be, I cannot answer your question.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;879906]Eddie royal to me is nothing more than a PRKR, he's had like one good year and that was his rookie year[/quote]

During one of the Denver games that I saw this season, announcers reported that Royal is underutilized, underappreciated, and undervalued in Denver. His best season was under Shanahan, and evidently MS likes him.

Game announcers further reported that Royal was almost certain to consider a move to Washington. I have not seen enough of him to make an intelligent comment/evaluation of his skills, but I do believe that he will be a Redskin in 2012.

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anyone know if he has a good relationship with royster?

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;880423]Who is "our QB"?

Can John Beck make those guys into an elite WR corps? Personally, I do not think so...

Can Rex Grossman? I do not think so ...

Can Caleb Haine? No.

Can Drew Brees or a healthy Peyton Manning? You bet your butt.

Kyle Orton? Quite possibly.

Chad Henne? Possibly.

Until I know who "our QB" is going to be, I cannot answer your question.[/quote]

Exactly. We don't know who it is yet.

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[quote=30gut;880397]You can never have enough talent along the DL and Soliai would be a natural fit in our 3-4 at NT and DE.
If we sign Soliai and add him to a front 3 of Cofield and Bowen that would create a front 3 with the potential to be dominant.
Then throw in Jarvis Jenkins as part of the rotation we would go 4 deep of quality 3-4 DL.
Soliai would be my number 1 FA target.[/quote]

Unfortunately, WR and Safety are going to be the biggest need after QB. I don't know what the market for NT is going to be like or how expensive Soliai would be.

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[quote=los panda;880436]anyone know if he has a good relationship with royster?[/quote]

Yes, their good buddies.

I was joking with a buddy of mine the other day that said that the Redskins are building a Westfield High School backfield with Royster at RB, Royal at WR, and Mike Glennon at QB (coming out next year)

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can't hurt the chances

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As mentioned earlier in thread, I would not overdo FA. Stay committed to the draft, and sign two, maybe three, FAs. My preference would be a QB and WR; Flynn (or Hoyer) and Colston sounds good to me. If we go for a third, then I would start looking at DB/S or the offensive line. I recall that late in the season, we almost ran out of bodies to play on the OL. Not keeping enough O-linemen may have been Shanahan's biggest mistake of 2011. Signing a FA QB is most important to me for 2012, because I still dont like the idea of giving up a bunch of picks to trade up. I would actually favor a trade down and take Tannehill with our QB pick.

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Speaking of FAs, anyone know of any good safeties hitting free agency? People talk about the doom and gloom of the CB position, but I think we are pretty effed up at safety. Landry prob won't be back (and we probably wouldn't want him back with his busted achilles), Atogwe has not worked out much, and after that who do we have? Gomes? That's pretty much it I think.

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[quote=Ruhskins;880451]Speaking of FAs, anyone know of any good safeties hitting free agency? People talk about the doom and gloom of the CB position, but I think we are pretty effed up at safety. Landry prob won't be back (and we probably wouldn't want him back with his busted achilles), Atogwe has not worked out much, and after that who do we have? Gomes? That's pretty much it I think.[/quote]

Dashon Goldson

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[quote=CultBrennan59;880453]Dashon Goldson[/quote]

Good find...

Dashon Goldson Scouting Report - Scouts, Inc.
Grade: 78 | Key

Comment: Goldson is a good sized safety that the 49rs drafted in the fourth round of the 2007 draft and has worked his way up to a starting role over the past two seasons. In 2010 he played in and started all 16 games and finished the season with 80 total tackles, second highest on the team, along with a single QB sack and an interception. He has good speed, quickness and agility for the position and is a good open field tackler that allows him to play the last man on defense in their scheme effectively. He shows good route recognition and can read the quarterback's eyes from off coverage but is not a natural ball hawk and can be a bit inconsistent playing the ball when in position. He can open his hips to turn and run or plant and drive on the ball when transitioning out of his back pedal.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;879935]Pretty sure Armstrong will be gone and why was Royster left out there.[/quote]
I have him at the 3 spot but most definitely see him sliding to 2 on the depth chart.

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Goldson is undeniably one of the more physically gifted safeties in the league but I think he was the very worst starter on the 49ers this year. He was the weakest link. Not deserving of his pro bowl nomination (though not as egregious a pick as Antrel Rolle in 2010). He's out of position way too often, and tackles like Landry on LSD.

I still think Tyvon Branch is the best with Landry as a very close second. After that, the class is kind of weak. Leonhard is a system guy.

To me, the best possible signing for the Redskins would be Tanard Jackson. And he comes with more risk to the team than Landry does for sure. Which is why I would just keep Landry.

[URL="http://rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/39667/59/nfl-free-agent-master-list?pg=4"]Safeties[/URL]

Tyvon Branch
LaRon Landry
Dashon Goldson
Michael Griffin
Dwight Lowery
Thomas DeCoud
Jim Leonhard
Brandon Meriweather
Reggie Smith
Sean Jones
Mike Adams
Chris Harris
Reggie Nelson
Brodney Pool
Husain Abdullah
Tom Zbikowski
Jordan Babineaux
Madieu Williams
James Sanders
Steve Gregory
Abram Elam
Deon Grant
Tyrell Johnson
Dominique Barber
Jarrad Page
Craig Steltz
Erik Coleman
Bob Sanders
Haruki Nakamura
Anthony Smith
Jarrett Bush
Derrick Martin
Chris Hope
Craig Dahl
Atari Bigby
Corey Lynch
Gibril Wilson
Bryan Scott
Quintin Demps
Paul Oliver
Matt Giordano
Nathan Jones
James Ihedigbo
Courtney Greene
Hamza Abdullah
Antwaun Molden
Jon McGraw
Sean Considine
Sabby Piscitelli
Lito Sheppard
Randy Phillips
C.C. Brown
Myron Rolle

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Nevermind, Jackson signed a two year contract last year. He'll be a FA after next season.

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i broke tanard jackson's leg in the state championship game way back when in pop warner. that's my version of a claim to fame

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I sacked Steph Curry in my pop warner days 3 times actually.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;880463]I sacked Steph Curry in my pop warner days 3 times actually.[/quote]that's awesome, i imagine his quickness was off the charts. where did you play?

we both played in howard county. i played for the columbia bulldogs while tanard played for the howard county trojans

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[quote=los panda;880464]that's awesome, i imagine his quickness was off the charts. where did you play?

we both played in howard county. i played for the columbia bulldogs while tanard played for the howard county trojans[/quote]

North Carolina. I was on the Derita Redskins

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[quote=los panda;880461]i broke tanard jackson's leg in the state championship game way back when in pop warner. that's my version of a claim to fame[/quote]That's actually a pretty cool claim to fame. Unfortunate, but cool.

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[quote=GTripp0012;880458]Goldson is undeniably one of the more physically gifted safeties in the league but I think he was the very worst starter on the 49ers this year. He was the weakest link. Not deserving of his pro bowl nomination (though not as egregious a pick as Antrel Rolle in 2010). He's out of position way too often, and tackles like Landry on LSD.

I still think Tyvon Branch is the best with Landry as a very close second. After that, the class is kind of weak. Leonhard is a system guy.

To me, the best possible signing for the Redskins would be Tanard Jackson. And he comes with more risk to the team than Landry does for sure. Which is why I would just keep Landry.

[URL="http://rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/39667/59/nfl-free-agent-master-list?pg=4"]Safeties[/URL]

Tyvon Branch
LaRon Landry
Dashon Goldson
Michael Griffin
Dwight Lowery
Thomas DeCoud
Jim Leonhard
Brandon Meriweather
Reggie Smith
Sean Jones
[/quote]

I'd be curious to see what the pundits write about the Redskins safety situation. I'm sure there will be a lot of talk about Landry...but I'd be curious to see what the team does if he's not an option (which I believe he is not given his injury situation...unless he pulls a miracle recovery). The same goes for Atogwe, unless Gomes improves a lot in camp.

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i really [I]want[/I] to believe in gomes

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[quote=los panda;880461]i broke tanard jackson's leg in the state championship game way back when in pop warner. that's my version of a claim to fame[/quote]

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;880463]I sacked Steph Curry in my pop warner days 3 times actually.[/quote]

I played with Charlie Whitehurst for 4 or 5 games after my JV season ended #Winning.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;880472]I played with Charlie Whitehurst for 4 or 5 games after my JV season ended #Winning.[/quote]

I share a birthday with Michael Jordan AND Jim Brown. Game set and match.

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Also watched Dwight Howard in his sophmore year in HS.

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[quote=los panda;880471]i really [I]want[/I] to believe in gomes[/quote]

needs to play alot faster

[QUOTE=Chico23231;880477]needs to play alot faster[/QUOTE]

Needs to bulk up too. He looked like Brandon Banks when he was trying to tackle Gronkowski in the NE game last year.

I don't think Eddie Royal will make a Hester like impact on our team next year but I would bring him in if Shanny felt he could restore him to his better days. Plus he's still young and he has familiarity with Shanny. I put a big emphasis on free agents' familiarity with coaches trying to sign them. You have to know what type of player they are, and Shanny has that comfort level with ER.

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I wouldn't address WR through FA with a big name signing, I don't think its that big of a need.
However I like the idea of bringing in Royal because of his previous production under Mike Shanahan, his familiarity with the scheme.

I would address Safety but would aim at the draft and seek a long term solution to one of the safety spots.
If we did address Safety through FA hopefully the target will be a young safety with the potential to prove himself as a starter.

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[quote=30gut;880532][B]I wouldn't address WR through FA with a big name signing, I don't think its that big of a need.[/B]
However I like the idea of bringing in Royal because of his previous production under Mike Shanahan, his familiarity with the scheme.

I would address Safety but would aim at the draft and seek a long term solution to one of the safety spots.
If we did address Safety through FA hopefully the target will be a young safety with the potential to prove himself as a starter.[/quote]

This baffles me.. So a 32 year old Moss coming off of his worst season, a 31 year old Gaffney coming off his best season (and not likely to improve on it), Armstrong whose production was non existent, Stallworth who was released mid-season, Paul who was targeted a total of 5 times in 16 games and Hankerson who couldn't get on the active roster until Week 9 and then was lost to a season ending injury doesn't represent 'that big of a need'?

I think Hankerson will be fine and a starter.. Paul is likely more a ST player than a legitimate WR prospect.. Other than that, where's the optimism coming from about our current WR group? Outside of QB, this is our worst offensive unit and needs the most attention.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;880475]I share a birthday with Michael Jordan AND Jim Brown. Game set and match.[/quote]

Well, I share the same birthday as Hitler* and it's also a favored day for Pot smokers... top that...

*Note: not something I'm proud of...

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;880476]Also watched Dwight Howard in his sophmore year in HS.[/quote]
I saw TMac play when he was a senior in high school. Mount Zion, these guys looked like they were from another planet.

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I don't think it makes sense to let Landry walk, and then sign a safety. Franchise him, and if he isn't healthy Gomes can play.

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[quote=IrMitchell;880552]I don't think it makes sense to let Landry walk, and then sign a safety. Franchise him, and if he isn't healthy Gomes can play.[/quote]

What about signing the safety out of Oakland?