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I guess it isn't so bad now that Snyder didn't hire Williams (?) Or or maybe it was since we got Zorn.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;891325]So if I'm understanding this right is the reason the Saints are in trouble due to the fact that they were caught back in 2009, asked to stop, then continued doing it?[/quote]

Yeah, in large part

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;891329]I'm jealous.[/quote]

I'll be nice since I'm not a RGIII fan ... here's the scoop:

Robert Griffin III

Upside- Griffin has become much more than a freak athlete or spread offense distributer. He has good arm strength and, more importantly, showed exellent accuracy on deep and intermediate throws. Athletically, he could be a star receiver or running back, and his ability to throw with velocity and accuracy on the run is Aaron Rodgers-like. He has the demeanor and charisma to be the face of a franchise.

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[quote=SBXVII;891334]I'll be nice since I'm not a RGIII fan ... here's the scoop:

Robert Griffin III

Upside- Griffin has become much more than a freak athlete or spread offense distributer. He has good arm strength and, more importantly, showed exellent accuracy on deep and intermediate throws. Athletically, he could be a star receiver or running back, and his ability to throw with velocity and accuracy on the run is Aaron Rodgers-like. He has the demeanor and charisma to be the face of a franchise.[/quote]

I feel like a junkie right now.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;891335]I feel like a junkie right now.[/quote]

[B]Downside- [/B]His learning curve is a little steeper after playing out of a shotgun-heavy spread offense. His comletion percentage is misleading due to a lot of shorter throws.

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[B]Bottom Line-[/B] Like Cam Newton a year ago, Griffin's athleticism overshadows the strides he's made as a passer. That athleticism will allow him to survive until he fully grasps an NFL offense.

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[quote=SBXVII;891337][B]Bottom Line-[/B] Like Cam Newton a year ago, Griffin's athleticism overshadows the strides he's made as a passer. That athleticism will allow him to survive until he fully grasps an NFL offense.[/quote]

XXVI don't tell me you're coming around on Griffin. If you join the dark side then it'll just be NCSkins on the opposite side of the fence.

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I really think the NFL needs to make Williams an example, since they didn't have the balls to do it with Bellichick. With all of this hoopla about player safety and as much sh*t they've given the players, it is time for the coaches to get disciplined.

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Saying this in a Junkie Voice. "You got some of the pureist stuff on the street man must be BLUE MAGIC".

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[quote=Ruhskins;891339]I really think the NFL needs to make Williams an example, [B]since they didn't have the balls to do it with Bellichick[/B]. With all of this hoopla about player safety and as much sh*t they've given the players, it is time for the coaches to get disciplined.[/quote]

Agree Bellishit got away with murder IMO.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;891342]Agree Bellishit got away with murder IMO.[/quote]

And he got coach of the year when the whole thing went public. :doh:

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[quote=Ruhskins;891343]And he got coach of the year when the whole thing went public. :doh:[/quote]

Double:doh: :doh:

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[quote=Ruhskins;891339]I really think the NFL needs to make Williams an example, since they didn't have the balls to do it with Bellichick. With all of this hoopla about player safety and as much sh*t they've given the players, it is time for the coaches to get disciplined.[/quote]

I agree. So long as it's not anyone currently employed by the Redskins.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;891338]XXVI don't tell me you're coming around on Griffin. If you join the dark side then it'll just be NCSkins on the opposite side of the fence.[/quote]

No, I've said it time and time again. I like RGIII. I too would hope the Skins get RGIII. My main issue is giving up the several picks to get him. I know there is a pretty chart with #'s regarding how much each pick is worth, but to me those picks could give us valuable players.

If they do go out and get him they definitely need to go out in FA and pick up some top quality WR's and hopefully a RT from somewhere. I think the rest of the spots needed could be picked up with the late draft picks we would have left OL, FS, CB, LB.

Honestly I'm just getting tired of all the QB blubbering. It's like thats all we need on this team, but it's not. I, you , and everyone else here can talk till we are blue in the face but it's not gunna matter or make a difference to what the Skins have planned or what they are going to do. and no matter what they do some of us will be dissapointed or happy. In the end I just want whoever the team takes to be successful.

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[quote=SBXVII;891336][B]Downside- [/B]His learning curve is a little steeper after playing out of a shotgun-heavy spread offense. His comletion percentage is misleading due to a lot of shorter throws.[/quote]

Oh you mean like in the TCU game where he had 350 yards passing, 5 TDs and more long bombs completed than you can shake a stick at? That kind of shorter throw?!

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The big question now is did our players who came out talking about the $$$ handed out here ruin the whole trade deal between the Skins and the Rams who currently have GW as DC? One would think they would be upset at the attempt to get their DC in trouble with the NFL. lol.

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[quote=SkinzWin;891349]Oh you mean like in the TCU game where he had 350 yards passing, 5 TDs and more long bombs completed than you can shake a stick at? That kind of shorter throw?![/quote]

:( I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm just passing on what was in my "NEW" draft magazine. There was positives you could be proud of, there were negatives I think were fair, and the bottom line was positive and truthfull.

Don't hate the messenger hate the message.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;891303]They should fire his ass. His big mouth might cost us RG3.[/quote]

Very slippery slope to go past the last league year... where do you stop? And do you investigate other cases of players such as Roy Williams with his infamous horsecollaring?

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[quote=SBXVII;891351]:( I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm just passing on what was in my "NEW" draft magazine. There was positives you could be proud of, there were negatives I think were fair, and the bottom line was positive and truthfull.

Don't hate the messenger hate the message.[/quote]

I know you love the draft guides bit we've had all of the info and then some in them for awhile. You just love the pictures don't you? Lol

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[quote=tryfuhl;891354]I know you love the draft guides bit we've had all of the info and then some in them for awhile. You just love the pictures don't you? Lol[/quote]

OMG they got pictures?

JK. No my favorite one is the mag that has the Cheerleaders in the middle. lol. I never remember which one it is but am always happy to see it when it comes out.

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[quote=SkinzWin;891349]Oh you mean like in the TCU game where he had 350 yards passing, 5 TDs and more long bombs completed than you can shake a stick at? That kind of shorter throw?![/quote]

DB: Glad you asked SkinzWin

Skinzwin: "I didn't ask"

DB: BECAUSE IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT IN MY POSSESSION I.....POSSESS A VIDEO OF THAT VERY GAME *

Skinzwin: "I didn't even remotely ask you that"

[YT]BXhVCzXH7kY[/YT]

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[quote=SBXVII;891351]:( I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm just passing on what was in my "NEW" draft magazine. There was positives you could be proud of, there were negatives I think were fair, and the bottom line was positive and truthfull.

Don't hate the messenger hate the message.[/quote]

But he had great stats at Baylor, and everyone knows huge numbers in college always translate into success in the NFL. How dare you come in here with that weak sauce!

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This whole story is frustrating. Coaches have to motivate players. These are grown ass men who get paid to play a game. Somtimes they need additional encentive. Im okay with players getting a bonus for performance made by team members. Not injurying players but making great plays.

Washington Post is some punk a$$ Biotches! They couldn't wait to link the Redksins to this story... They really need to get over their hate for Snyder.

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[quote=44Deezel;891359]But he had great stats at Baylor, and everyone knows huge numbers in college always translate into success in the NFL. How dare you![/quote]

Ah so it's 44, XXVI, and NC who have chosen to take on the world.

In all seriousness though it's not just about the numbers. The ease in which he completes deep passes is scary. Maybe even scarier then his speed. It's like while he was at Baylor every 4th or 5th pass went for more then 20 yards and we're not talking screens and slants that went for big gains, I'm talking about streaks, out and ups, comebacks, post, corners etc. The big boy throws.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;891361]Ah so it's 44, XXVI, and NC who have chosen to take on the world.[/quote]

I'm actually all in on RGIII. I just understand why why some people have concerns. So many sure things have gone on to fail in the NFL. I hope we get him, and I hope our long national nightmare ends;). I just wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't pan out. No one should.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;891361]Ah so it's 44, XXVI, and NC who have chosen to take on the world.

In all seriousness though it's not just about the numbers. The ease in which he completes deep passes is scary. Maybe even scarier then his speed. It's like while he was at Baylor every 4th or 5th pass went for more then 20 yards and we're not talking screens and slants that went for big gains, I'm talking about streaks, out and ups, comebacks, post, corners etc. The big boy throws.[/quote]

Ty Detmer threw a mean deep ball too;)

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[quote=skinsfan69;891265]I'd be willing to bet that this still goes on around the league. I have no problem with it. Trying to knock out the other teams best player has been around since the start of football. Again, as long as the hits are legal, and the ones against Farve and Warner were legal, then I have no problem with it. Of course Mr. Stiff Suit himself (Roger G.) is going to think differently.[/quote]

This is exactly right. Taking the other teams best player out with a nice clean hit has been in football since day one. When has it not been there? We did it when I played. Jerry Glanvile, Bum Phillips, Buddy Ryan and many other coaches put bounty's out or just plain verbal challenges to take out opposing players all the time. But they did with the intention of doing it with a clean hit. Not dirty.

The media and the NFL FO is making a big deal out this because of all the concussion law suits. The main reason I say this is New Orleans during the time of this so called pay to play [B]is/was not known as a dirty team.[/B] Shanahan's Denver teams ended the season for several defensive players with chop blocks that were seen as dirty. The Raiders teams of the 70's and 80's were tough and dirty. New Orleans? Not so much.
I think Goddell is trying to make a big deal about the money and saying it bypassed the salary cap. BS! This just makes for good PR for Goddell and the NFL right as the concussion law suits against the NFL will be starting.
For all the hypocrites that think this is so wrong, remember the times in frustration when you screamed at the TV for our Redskins to kill and knock the head off of Romo, Eli, Vick, Staubach, Simms, etc....

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Well heres a funny coincidence. And by funny I mean hilarious.
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/tony-dungy-traces-peyton-mannings-neck-problems-to-hit-in-2006-game-against-redskins/2011/09/12/gIQApz5ONK_blog.html]Tony Dungy traces Peyton Manning’s neck problems to hit in 2006 game against Redskins - The Early Lead - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;891386]Well heres a funny coincidence. And by funny I mean hilarious.
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/tony-dungy-traces-peyton-mannings-neck-problems-to-hit-in-2006-game-against-redskins/2011/09/12/gIQApz5ONK_blog.html]Tony Dungy traces Peyton Manning’s neck problems to hit in 2006 game against Redskins - The Early Lead - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]


I'm not buying it. As many games Peyton Manning has been in over his career, that 2006 game against the Redskins couldn't have been the first game where players were trying to hurt him. It was mentioned in a separate article on profootballtalk.com that the bounty or bounties on Manning began when Gregg Williams was the Tennessee Titans defensive coordinator. Tennessee and Indianapolis have played each other in the same division since 2002.

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I think if he may have ended my career as well.....I haven't played a down since..

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[quote=SBXVII;891351]:( I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm just passing on what was in my "NEW" draft magazine. There was positives you could be proud of, there were negatives I think were fair, and the bottom line was positive and truthfull.

Don't hate the messenger hate the message.[/quote]

Just funning ya' a bit. Maybe the magazine was put together by chimpanzees...

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[quote=Dirtbag59;891358]DB: Glad you asked SkinzWin

Skinzwin: "I didn't ask"

DB: BECAUSE IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT IN MY POSSESSION I.....POSSESS A VIDEO OF THAT VERY GAME *

Skinzwin: "I didn't even remotely ask you that"

[YT]BXhVCzXH7kY[/YT][/quote]

Lol. You know me so well. That was a mental telepathy conversation.

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Nothing new our coach had $5 bounty on QBs in Pop Warner football.

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[quote=SmootSmack;891286]The hits on Favre weren't legal

[URL="http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2010/01/nfl_fines_new_orleans_saints_d.html?mobRedir=false"]NFL fines New Orleans Saints defensive end Bobby McCray for late hits on Brett Favre - New Orleans Saints Football NFL News - NOLA.com[/URL][/quote]

So they roughed him up a little. WHO CARES. Hitting the QB use to be a part of football. Now you can't even touch them.The NFL has become a soft league. Bounties are/were a part of football in small ways and in larger way..like this one GW was behind. It's just not a big deal to me. I've heard some of players comment on it and they're like...."So what?"

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[quote=GMScud;891294]Well, to be fair I updated the thread title. Williams not only made no attempt to deny it, he apologized for it and said he knew it was wrong when he was doing it. Yikes.

Sean Payton knew about it NO, but I've gotta believe that Gibbs didn't know about it here.[/quote]

Do you HONESTLY think Joe Gibbs knew NOTHING about this? C'mon... Joe Gibbs may be an aw shucks kind of guy but behind closed doors you're talking about a VERY competitive person. A lot of fans don't remember this but he once ran up the score on Joe Bugel.

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Washington Post Hates the Redskins and looks for their downfall.

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[quote=skinsfan69;891415]Do you HONESTLY think Joe Gibbs knew NOTHING about this? C'mon... Joe Gibbs may be an aw shucks kind of guy but behind closed doors you're talking about a VERY competitive person. A lot of fans don't remember this but he once ran up the score on Joe Bugel.[/quote]

I believe Gibbs 100%.

He always let his DC run that side of the ball. Plus he would have no reason to lie about it now, and if you know anything about him as a person he would never allow such a thing.

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Clayton just said on Sportscenter that it is UNLIKELY the Redskins will face any sanctions from their bounties. Too far back in the past.

Add to it that it wasn't known about from the organizational standpoint and most of the players from those teams are out of the league, it would be unfair to penalize the 2013 Redskins for something a coach who has been with 3 other teams since did back in the mid 2000's.

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[quote=skinsfan69;891414]So they roughed him up a little. WHO CARES. Hitting the QB use to be a part of football. Now you can't even touch them.The NFL has become a soft league. Bounties are/were a part of football in small ways and in larger way..like this one GW was behind. It's just not a big deal to me. I've heard some of players comment on it and they're like...."So what?"[/quote]

But they were illegal late hits and the Saints were told to stop but didn't, it's more than just roughing up the QB

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Matt Bowen is on sports center right now talking in detail about the bounty system with the Redskins. He said it was supposed to be clean hits, not purposefully to hurt someone.