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[quote=Dirtbag59;905447]Keep in mind that game he went 7-15 for 39 yards with 1 TD, 1 INT. He was basically Lord Checkdown in that game (way above the rank of Captain).[/quote]

Did you watch the video? A lot of the drops were not checkdowns,the int was just an excellent play by the def lineman.He doesnt have the drops and he's 13-15 for 200yards.Im not saying Mcnabbs great,Im just saying in that particular game stats didnt tell the whole story and I thought he played well under a heavy pass rush.

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[quote=Ruhskins;905531]How come McNabb wasn't given a second year in Minny?[/quote]Other then a completely different set of circumstances?
Mainly they drafted a 1st round QB they intended to play.

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[quote=30gut;905539]Other then a completely different set of circumstances?
Mainly they drafted a 1st round QB they intended to play.[/quote]

Riiiiighht... SO that's why they demoted him to 3rd string? :rolleyes: :stop:




Excuse train pulling in. ALL ABOARD THE MCNABB EXPRESS!!

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Its obvious. If Shanny does not win with RG3 as the QB then Danny will get a coach who can win with RG3. Too much invested in RG3, he is now the franchise. For Shanny it is either win or be fired time. McNabb is betting Shanny fail and be fired. It is is opinion.

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[quote=30gut;905512]McNabb's on the field play didn't warrant his treatment.
QBs going into a new situation, especially on a bad team, often have less then stellar production in their 1st year.
But, most are given a second year.
The fact that McNabb was done after 13 games suggests to me that there was something more to the story then on the field play.

The McNabb debacle, and it was a debacle, was a failure on both ends.[/quote]
Maybe you're right, his ON FIELD performance didn't warrant his treatment. He was pretty consistent with what he had been the previous 2 years in Philly when he was benched and injured. What got him treated that way was the fact that he didn't want to put in the additional work & study time to get better, didn't want to adjust to the offense, didn't want to accept coaching on his technique and footwork and was a locker room lawyer, trying to curry favor when the coaches started moving away from him.

If he didn't buck being coached and wasn't resistant to change, he would have been our 2011 starter.

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McNabb played himself right off the field. It's laughable that anyone is trying to defend him anymore.

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[quote=30gut;905539]Other then a completely different set of circumstances?
Mainly they drafted a 1st round QB they intended to play.[/quote]

He didn't even make it thru his first year and let's face it, when Ponder got in he didn't set the league on fire. McNabb got benched and then cut for the same things he did here in DC. Wasn't playing at a high level and didn't want to put in the time. There was talk that after he got benched he put in NO effort in preparing to be the backup. Didn't study film, basically became a 9-5 player.

Look, I was a big McNabb fan before he came to DC. Had tons of respect for him and had really high hopes when we traded for him. One of my cousins who is a huge Eagles fan predicted EVERY SINGLE THING that happened with McNabb, saying that became his pattern late in his Philly career but Reid protected him from the media getting wind of it. He told me that McNabb would practice poorly, but play well in some games. He'd have a huge game followed up by a bust. He'd make wow throws and then skip it to a wide open receiver. He even said don't be surprised if Shanahan benches him because he has the guts that Reid never had.

Looking back, we should have known there was a reason why he was traded in the division for a reasonable price.

Mcnabb sucked here he wasn't even better than rex and that's bad. He was washed up and shanny was desperate to start off w a proven QB. I will say if rg3 fails under Mike then he's just not then qb guru some say he is

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Without Reid you have to wonder what kind of career DM might have had, or might not have had to put it specifically.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;905568]Without Reid you have to wonder what kind of career DM might have had, or might not have had to put it specifically.[/QUOTE]

He had some talent let's not take his abilities away like his mobility and his great deep passing but he's not accurate and he always had that "o well" attitude it seemed like. In his prime he was pretty good but yes w out reid who knows

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Ironic that McNabb would say "let it go"

[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7754994]Is Tebow The Most Criticized Person In The NFL? - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;905580]Ironic that McNabb would say "let it go"

[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7754994]Is Tebow The Most Criticized Person In The NFL? - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url][/quote]

LOL...seriously. Funny thats the first thing he says. You know what that says to me: Douche

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[quote=SmootSmack;905580]Ironic that McNabb would say "let it go"

[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7754994]Is Tebow The Most Criticized Person In The NFL? - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url][/quote]

I couldn't watch it. Got to the part he said "let it go", and I stopped. This guy is a piece of work. I refuse to watch anything he's a part of.

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That's about all you needed to see.

It's unfortunate what has happened with McNabb. It's rare though for an athlete to end a career on strong note. But it's usually not so bitter as McNabb's situation.

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[quote=Paintrain;905558]Maybe you're right, his ON FIELD performance didn't warrant his treatment. He was pretty consistent with what he had been the previous 2 years in Philly when he was benched and injured.[/quote]Why does everything have to painted with a negative brush?
Why can't we admit some obvious truths.
McNabb was traded following a solid pro-bowl season.
McNabb benching in Philly doesn't make equate to a poor season.

[quote]What got him treated that way was the fact that he didn't want to put in the additional work & study time to get better, didn't want to adjust to the offense, didn't want to accept coaching on his technique and footwork and was a locker room lawyer, trying to curry favor when the coaches started moving away from him.

If he didn't buck being coached and wasn't resistant to change, he would have been our 2011 starter.[/quote]Again, you can believe whatever you like.
Just because I choose not to believe hersey doesn't me that I think McNabb is without blame.
Clearly, McNabb deserves blame.
My point is the blame is also shared by Kyle and Mike.

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[quote=30gut;905611]Why does everything have to painted with a negative brush?
Why can't we admit some obvious truths.
McNabb was traded following a solid pro-bowl season.
McNabb benching in Philly doesn't make equate to a poor season.

Again, you can believe whatever you like.
Just because I choose not to believe hersey doesn't me that I think McNabb is without blame.
Clearly, McNabb deserves blame.
My point is the blame is also shared by Kyle and Mike.[/quote]
It's not a negative brush, it's factual. True or false, in the 2 years prior to the trade, was he not benched and injured?

Nobody is saying Kyle and Mike are blameless. But two years later they aren't going on national tv whining about it like a fat girl jilted at the prom.

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[quote=Paintrain;905614]It's not a negative brush, it's factual. True or false, in the 2 years prior to the trade, was he not benched and injured?[QUOTE=you]...He was pretty consistent with what he had been the previous 2 years in Philly when he was benched and injured.[/quote][/QUOTE]Yes, he was benched and was injured but his play those 2 years were not consistent with his play in Washington as you said.
Nor was his level play poor as you suggestion:

2008 16 games 3916-23 TDs-11 INTs-86.4 rating
2009 14 games 3553-22 TDs-10 INTs-92.9 rating Pro-bowl
trade

[quote]Nobody is saying Kyle and Mike are blameless. But two years later they aren't going on national tv whining about it like a fat girl jilted at the prom.[/quote]Clearly the level of vitriol leveled at McNabb is a sign that many fans feel that Kyle and Mike are blameless, not saying you feel that way.
I don't like what McNabb said either nor the timing.
It was cowardly and unfair to Griffin.
But that doesn't mean there wasn't some truth there.

As it is, I'm done talking about McNabb.
He's not worth anyones time.

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[quote=NC_Skins;905587]I couldn't watch it. Got to the part he said "let it go", and I stopped. This guy is a piece of work. I refuse to watch anything he's a part of.[/quote]

i made it past that and made it another 10 seconds or so then cut it off, unreal.

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There's a big difference between RG3 and McNabb. McNabb was a washed up veteran QB even before the Redskins traded for him. He did do well at times while in a Redskin uniform, but being a 12 year veteran and being a rookie are two different things. While McNabb was a set in his ways type of quarterback, RG3 is fresh from college and hasn't played an NFL down yet. He doesn't have the baggage that McNabb has. Mike Shanahan can mold RG3 and initiate him into the same west coast system that McNabb couldn't grasp. So, therefore, it's useless for him to speak about RG3 in that regard. As for him saying the Shanahans are egomaniacs, that may be true.

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[quote=SmootSmack;905580]Ironic that McNabb would say "let it go"

[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7754994]Is Tebow The Most Criticized Person In The NFL? - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url][/quote]

If his goal is to be one of those analysts that everyone loves to hate, he sure is well on his way. What a tool.

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[quote=Mattyk;905712]If his goal is to be one of those analysts that everyone loves to hate, he sure is well on his way. What a tool.[/quote]

it has to be what it is, he has to be doing this to deliberately get attention. i have a feeling his agent told him and maybe he is starting to realize that his playing days are truely over. and he doesn't want to just disappear so he is trying to be another terrible "anaylist" on the nfln. all i know is he is just making himself look like an ass. i mean j reid even laid into him a bit in that article he wrote, and j reid was the one that had his back the entire time he was here. i always find it odd when a players like mcnabb or e smith or rice just can't live a happy life outside of the lime light, they'd rather just annoy everyone with their awful "insight"

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/donovan-mcnabb-says-most-criticized-quarterback-nfl-history-202352653.html]Donovan McNabb says he’s the most criticized quarterback in NFL history | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Another McNabb Pity party I see.............. This is actually the only Chris Chase article of yahoo I have ever seen and thought he actually did a decent job with. Most of his articles are trash....

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[quote=SmootSmack;905589]That's about all you needed to see.

It's unfortunate what has happened with McNabb. It's rare though for an athlete to end a career on strong note. But it's usually not so bitter as McNabb's situation.[/quote]

Wouldn't you agree that McNabb has been unappreciated his entire career?

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[quote=Shadowbyte;905740]Wouldn't you agree that McNabb has been unappreciated his entire career?[/quote]

In Philly yes, but I think he has been over rated as a elite, top flight QB. Ive always thought of him as solid QB, nothing more.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;905740]Wouldn't you agree that McNabb has been unappreciated his entire career?[/quote]

To an extent, but so have many other players

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Mcnabb can kiss my ass. I never wanted him here in the first place I've hated him since he was drafted... just like some of his own fans

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McNabb has always been well polished and the consummate politician. He has a way of never taking any blame for his failings and letting others do so.
Biting his tongue.....hardly

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/casey-rabach-on-the-shanahans-donovan-mcnabb-and-egos/2012/03/30/gIQA2zJSlS_blog.html#pagebreak]Casey Rabach on the Shanahans, Donovan McNabb and egos - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

[quote=Casey Rabach]You know, all I wanted to do was win football games,” Rabach said. “That’s all I wanted to do. So anything that would have helped...put us in a better position to win football games, yeah, you definitely hope that. There’s definitely some strong egos in the NFL, and there [were] three of the strongest egos right there in Redskins Park. So it’s hard to fit all that together, and build a cohesion in such a short time. But definitely wish it would have went the other way.”............I mean, that’s a tough one to answer,” Rabach replied. “Because Donovan knows what his strengths are. And were they using all his strengths to the fullest? No. But then again, we go back to that give-and-take, on both sides. Donovan’s got to understand that what he did in Philly for 12 years ain’t gonna be the same thing he was gonna do on another team. I think he was used in some [ways] very good, but I think there could have been some more give on each side.”.........................On McNabb going public with his critique: “Each player has his own way of dealing with it. Donovan definitely had more downs than his ups when he was with us in Washington, and there was hard feelings I think coming out of there....I think Donovan’s just a very truthful guy. I think he has very strong feelings and is not afraid to express them, ever. I think Donovan just wants to have his story heard. I think he was pretty quiet about the whole situation as it was going on. He was trying to put the team first and didn’t really want to air his dirty laundry at the time. Now it’s his time to come out with his side of the story.”

On the sour coach-quarterback relationship: “I think they asked Donovan to do a lot of things that he wasn’t comfortable with, and it was never a give-and-take kind of relationship. It was Mike and Kyle’s way, and only that way. I think Donovan wanted to change a few things to his strengths, and do things he knew he was good at. Mike and Kyle had one way of doing it, and Donovan had another way of doing it, and they just butted heads, and nobody was gonna give.”[/quote]

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McNabb needs to try out for a Canadian Football League team. His NFL career is practically over. Unless Andy Reid brings McNabb back to Philly to be a back up QB, I don't see him playing in the NFL again.

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I'm having a scary thought now.

Maybe Philly fans know what they're talking about.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;905931]McNabb needs to try out for a Canadian Football League team. His NFL career is practically over. Unless Andy Reid brings McNabb back to Philly to be a back up QB, I don't see him playing in the NFL again.[/quote]

If he really wants to salvage some public spotlight, he NEEDS to re-unite with Terrell Owens on the Allen Wranglers.

I'm being completely serious. It would be a circus worth at least checking out.

It's working for T.O.

[url=http://www.terrellowens.com/2012/03/terrell-owens-named-mvp-as-allen-beats-wichita/]Terrell Owens named MVP as Allen Beats Wichita | Terrell Owens Official Website[/url]

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I think fans' petty grudge toward DM is far more pathetic than his grudge about the Shanahans. It was handled poorly on both ends but ultimately the HEAD COACH is given the title of HEAD COACH for a reason.

The best way to move past Mike's mistakes, which are mostly a product of his ego, is to start winning. That said if the offensive scheme doesn't "click" with RGIII at the helm and we continue to see, say, McNabb type of results there will be, and deservedly so, signficant criticism of this little family adventure the Skins are on.

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[quote=The Goat;906137]I think fans' petty grudge toward DM is far more pathetic than his grudge about the Shanahans.[/quote]

My thoughts exactly. I still don't understand why people get so emotional over athletes. DM5 seems to extract an inordinate amount of seething hatred for no justifiable reason.

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u should hear how people around here, his own fans... completely LIE to themselves and slam him as if he wasnt pretty good for them for 10 effin yeasrs.. smh most philly fans are a disgrace..

i never liked McNabb, never wanted him here, and as a die hard 21 year fan of the skins.... thats my fan given right... and hopefully thats not the 'petty grudge' u speak of.

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I'd be lying if I didn't say that McNabb played well while he was in Philly.

HOWEVER, I really believe that he was basically a product of Andy Reid's QB friendly offense. Reid has made average guys look like super stars. Koy Detmer, A.J. Feely, Kevin Kolb all played very well in Reid's systems and looked like stars at times while filling in for the oft-injured McNabb.

Jeff Garcia was a star in his own right, as was Michael Vick.

But landing in Washington proved what McNabb was, IMO. An average QB who once his body gave out, could no longer be counted on to make plays and lead the offense. He had like one good game in Minnesota and even then he only threw for like one TD. McNabb was simply washed up when he arrived in washington, and totally shot when he was shipped to Minnesota. No other way to put it...

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[quote=Mattyk;905712]If his goal is to be one of those analysts that everyone loves to hate, he sure is well on his way. What a tool.[/quote]

He's just jealous of the fact that with Tebow around theres no way he can pass off calling himself the most criticized QB of all time. It also hurts his ability to use the race card. Hopefully Tebow stays humble and doesn't become senile like McNabb.

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I hold no grudge against McNabb, just think he's sadly mistaken

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[quote=SmootSmack;906181]I hold no grudge against McNabb, just think he's sadly mistaken[/quote]

Well said, ditto for me.

It would be nice if the guy could own up to some of his own mistakes and shortcomings once in a while rather than always pointing the finger.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;906169]I'd be lying if I didn't say that McNabb played well while he was in Philly.

HOWEVER, I really believe that he was basically a product of Andy Reid's QB friendly offense. Reid has made average guys look like super stars. Koy Detmer, A.J. Feely, Kevin Kolb all played very well in Reid's systems and looked like stars at times while filling in for the oft-injured McNabb.

Jeff Garcia was a star in his own right, as was Michael Vick.

But landing in Washington proved what McNabb was, IMO. An average QB who once his body gave out, could no longer be counted on to make plays and lead the offense. He had like one good game in Minnesota and even then he only threw for like one TD. McNabb was simply washed up when he arrived in washington, and totally shot when he was shipped to Minnesota. No other way to put it...[/quote]

Well said...all around. McNabb was basically average, sometimes a little above and other times a little below, when many of us were hoping for something special.

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[quote=Monkeydad;906074]I'm having a scary thought now.

Maybe Philly fans know what they're talking about.

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Maybe Philly just hates quarterbacks