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i think i've seen burfict's name almost as much as i've seen griffin's name in these mocks. what is it?

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[quote=los panda;910639]i think i've seen burfict's name almost as much as i've seen griffin's name in these mocks. what is it?[/quote]

I think everyone likes the idea of getting a first round talent (and at a position of need) in the 6th or 7th round.

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1st: Robert Griffin III QB, Baylor
3rd: Trumaine Johnson CB, Montana
4th: Donald Stephenson OT, Oklahoma
4th: David Molk C/G, Michigan
5th: Tommy Streeter WR, Miami
6th: Najee Goode ILB, West Virginia
7th: Derek Carrier TE, Beloit

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;910609]1st: Robert Griffin III QB, Baylor
3rd: Trade back pick up additional 4th rd
3rd Bobby Massie MISS OT or Brandon Mosley AUB OT
4th: Donald Stephenson OT, Oklahoma
4th Trade back for 5th rd & 2013 4th rd pick.
4th T.Y. Hilton WR/PR, Florida Int. or Bryan Broyles WR/PR, Oklahoma
5th: Audie Cole ILB, NC State
5th: Chris Rainey RB, Florida or Robert Turbin RB, Utah State
6th: Andrew Datko OT, Florida St.
7th: Vontaze Burfict ILB, Arizona St

FA: Asa Chapman NT, Liberty, Chigbo Anunoby NT, Morehouse, Akiem Hicks DL, Regina

Will post more FA.[/quote]

I like this mock draft.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;910609]1st: Robert Griffin III QB, Baylor
3rd: Trade back pick up additional 4th rd
3rd [B]Bobby Massie[/B] MISS OT or Brandon Mosley AUB OT
4th: Donald Stephenson OT, Oklahoma
4th Trade back for 5th rd & 2013 4th rd pick.
4th T.Y. Hilton WR/PR, Florida Int. or Bryan Broyles WR/PR, Oklahoma
5th: Audie Cole ILB, NC State
5th: Chris Rainey RB, Florida or Robert Turbin RB, Utah State
6th: Andrew Datko OT, Florida St.
7th: Vontaze Burfict ILB, Arizona St

FA: Asa Chapman NT, Liberty, Chigbo Anunoby NT, Morehouse, Akiem Hicks DL, Regina

Will post more FA.[/quote]

He's projected to go early 2nd (possibly the last pick of the first round to the NY Giants). We aren't going to get him.

And for those that like Donald Stephenson, he isn't going as high as the 3rd round.

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I think that most of the mock drafts in this thread are very similar - and good - in terms of addressing the Redskins' needs. To me, there are only two issues in terms of needs versus availability.

First, it seems to me to be very likely that, if the Skins intend to acquire a RT in the draft, they will need to draft one in the 3rd Round or, if there is no run on OT's, the 4th Round at the very latest. The fact that we're looking for someone to fit in a zone blocking scheme should help us a little in terms of availability. So, right now, I'm expecting the 3rd Round pick to be an OT.

The Skins clearly want a RB in this draft. They want a RB who is a good receiver and who can make people miss. To get one of the players they would want for this role, they are probably going to have to use one of their 4th Round picks for this purpose.

Staring with their other 4th Round pick, I think that the Skins could go with the BPA, perhaps leaning toward OL, CB, and S.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;910598]So if we go Turbin, do you think Helu starts with Turbin spelling him or vice-versa?[/quote]

Good question, it would be a good battle in camp. Helu might have the early leg up over a rookie though.

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I might be the only one here who doesn't want Vontaze Burfict. He reminds me of Maurice Clarett in a way, in the sense that he created his own downfall, and whoever ends up wasting a draft pick on him (maybe a team like NE) will get praise heaped upon them, at least until he ends up being a bust.

I remember when Shanny drafted Clarett even though analysts didn't approve of the 3rd rounder he used, everybody generally agreed it was a good move because Shanny gets the best out of his running backs. One year out of the league later and Clarett was getting arrested for pulling an OJ, getting into a high speed chase while he was drinking and had automatic rifles in his car. I feel like we'll see a similar end to Burfict's career, maybe not the end Clarett had but I get the feeling once Burfict doesn't do anything he'll just become another malcontent who blames everything on his coaches.

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[quote=Mattyk;910716]Good question, it would be a good battle in camp. Helu might have the early leg up over a rookie though.[/quote]

Hightower starts, Royster backs him up (possibly ultimately starting)

Helu is the change of pace playmaker/RB to be Named backs up Helu

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[quote=mooby;910717]I might be the only one here who doesn't want Vontaze Burfict. He reminds me of Maurice Clarett in a way, in the sense that he created his own downfall, and whoever ends up wasting a draft pick on him (maybe a team like NE) will get praise heaped upon them, at least until he ends up being a bust.

I remember when Shanny drafted Clarett even though analysts didn't approve of the 3rd rounder he used, everybody generally agreed it was a good move because Shanny gets the best out of his running backs. One year out of the league later and Clarett was getting arrested for pulling an OJ, getting into a high speed chase while he was drinking and had automatic rifles in his car. I feel like we'll see a similar end to Burfict's career, maybe not the end Clarett had but I get the feeling once Burfict doesn't do anything he'll just become another malcontent who blames everything on his coaches.[/quote]

I'd want no part of him. Way too many red flags.

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[quote=SmootSmack;910720]Hightower starts, Royster backs him up (possibly ultimately starting)

Helu is the change of pace playmaker/RB to be Named backs up Helu[/quote]

Royster ultimately emerges as the starter? You're kidding, right? Royster is a plodder. If you want three yards and a cloud of dust, then go with Royster because there will be no breakaway runs. Just say no to Royster. We need a better starter than that.

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RG3
Casey Hayward
Isaiah Pead
someone
someone
so on
and
so on
FA: Aaron Corp or Chandler Harnish or GJ Kinne or "Insert QB Name"

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[quote=SmootSmack;910720]Hightower starts, Royster backs him up (possibly ultimately starting)

Helu is the change of pace playmaker/RB to be Named backs up Helu[/quote]

jeez i hope not. Dont get me wrong I love Hightower but if we get a James or Turbin, I would hope we wouldnt bring back Hightower. Im gonna say depth chart at RB:

1. Royster
2. Helu
3. Turbin/James

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;910732]Royster ultimately emerges as the starter? You're kidding, right? Royster is a plodder. If you want three yards and a cloud of dust, then go with Royster because there will be no breakaway runs. Just say no to Royster. We need a better starter than that.[/quote]

Among the current backs on the roster, and I'm including Hightower, no I'm not kidding. Have said it since last summer, the Shanahans love...LOVE Royster.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;910732]Royster ultimately emerges as the starter? You're kidding, right? Royster is a plodder. If you want three yards and a cloud of dust, then go with Royster because there will be no breakaway runs. Just say no to Royster. We need a better starter than that.[/quote]

I like Royster. You are correct that he is not a breakaway back in any sense. But he and Helu together give us a nice smash and dash.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;910732]Royster ultimately emerges as the starter? You're kidding, right? Royster is a plodder. If you want three yards and a cloud of dust, then go with Royster because there will be no breakaway runs. Just say no to Royster. We need a better starter than that.[/quote]

He averaged almost 6 per carry last year, just saying

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[quote=SmootSmack;910720]Hightower starts, Royster backs him up (possibly ultimately starting)

Helu is the change of pace playmaker/RB to be Named backs up Helu[/quote]

Yeah forgot about Hightower, I know Shanny loves him. As long as his knee is right of course.

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[quote=SmootSmack;910738]Among the current backs on the roster, and I'm including Hightower, no I'm not kidding. Have said it since last summer, the Shanahans love...LOVE Royster.[/quote]

Sheesh!

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[quote=Mattyk;910605]What exactly is limited about this draft?[/quote]
Limited because we don't have a full compliment of picks.
Its for a good reason though.

[quote=KI Skins Fan;910710]The Skins clearly want a RB in this draft. They want a RB who is a good receiver and who can make people miss. To get one of the players they would want for this role, they are probably going to have to use one of their 4th Round picks for this purpose.[/quote]Mike Shanahan and Bobby Turner usually draft at least 1 RB every draft.
So yeah, they clearly want a RB in this draft because they always want to draft RB.

[quote=SmootSmack;910720]Hightower starts, Royster backs him up (possibly ultimately starting)

Helu is the change of pace playmaker/RB to be Named backs up Helu[/quote]

I think it will be a true open competition and they'll play musical chairs RBs til 1 back clearly separates himself.

I think Helu and Royster made big strides last year and have surpassed Hightower in ability to make the right cutback decision.

I think its will be Helu/Royster/Hightower RBBC with Helu getting 3rd down stuff.

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All we're missing is a 2nd rounder this year. But we still have 7 picks overall.

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[QUOTE=30gut;910783]Limited because we don't have a full compliment of picks.

Its for a good reason though.



Mike Shanahan and Bobby Turner usually draft at least 1 RB every draft.

So yeah, they clearly want a RB in this draft because they always want to draft RB.







I think it will be a true open competition and they'll play musical chairs RBs til 1 back clearly separates himself.



I think Helu and Royster made big strides last year and have surpassed Hightower in ability to make the right cutback decision.



I think its will be Helu/Royster/Hightower RBBC with Helu getting 3rd down stuff.[/QUOTE]



We still have 7 picks. There are 7 rounds ergo 7picks = full compliment of picks.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;910609]1st: Robert Griffin III QB, Baylor
3rd: Trade back pick up additional 4th rd
3rd Bobby Massie MISS OT or Brandon Mosley AUB OT
4th: Donald Stephenson OT, Oklahoma
4th Trade back for 5th rd & 2013 4th rd pick.
4th T.Y. Hilton WR/PR, Florida Int. or Bryan Broyles WR/PR, Oklahoma
5th: Audie Cole ILB, NC State
5th: Chris Rainey RB, Florida or Robert Turbin RB, Utah State
6th: Andrew Datko OT, Florida St.
7th: Vontaze Burfict ILB, Arizona St

FA: Asa Chapman NT, Liberty, Chigbo Anunoby NT, Morehouse, Akiem Hicks DL, Regina

Will post more FA.[/quote]


Tommy Streeter WR, Miami I see this guy in the 4th to 6th rd. Tall and fast still RAW though.

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[quote=Mattyk;910794]All we're missing is a 2nd rounder this year. But we still have 7 picks overall.[/quote]
[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;910814]We still have 7 picks. There are 7 rounds ergo 7picks = full compliment of picks.[/quote]

Right, but having 7 picks overall is not the same as having a full compliment of picks 1 for each round.
We're missing the 2nd most valueable pick for team building therefore there are limited resources.
2nd round pick are core foundational picks that are expecting to contribute fairly quickly.

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Calling the draft limited because of one pick seems like a bit of a stretch IMO.

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[quote=Mattyk;910898]Calling the draft limited because of one pick seems like a bit of a stretch IMO.[/quote]Well to me saying '[I]all[/I]' we're missing is a [I][B][B]2nd round pick [/B][/B][/I] is underselling its importance.
The value of a 2nd round pick is greater then the value of all the picks from 4-7.

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[QUOTE=30gut;910922]Well to me saying 'all' we're missing is a 2nd round pick is underselling its importance.

The value of a 2nd round pick is greater then the value of all the picks from 4-7.[/QUOTE]



Keep thinking that.

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so we should trade all our other picks for a 2nd rounder?

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[quote=30gut;910922]Well to me saying '[I]all[/I]' we're missing is a [I][B][B]2nd round pick [/B][/B][/I] is underselling its importance.
The value of a 2nd round pick is greater then the value of all the picks from 4-7.[/quote]

A limited draft to me would be something like 2007 when we only had 5 picks, with no picks in rounds 2-4.

I'm not underselling the importance of the 2nd rounder at all, I've love to have it, but I'd rather have RG3.

Don't forget we have a 3rd rounder too, you left that out in your last point.

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[quote=Mattyk;910937]A limited draft to me would be something like 2007 when we only had 5 picks, with no picks in rounds 2-4.

I'm not underselling the importance of the 2nd rounder at all, I've love to have it, but I'd rather have RG3.

Don't forget we have a 3rd rounder too, you left that out in your last point.[/quote]To me a limited draft is any draft without the full compliment of picks by round but especially when you're missing one of your top 3 picks, which are typically impact picks.

If you think a draft without a 2nd round pick isn't limited that's fine I'm not trying to convince you.
I'm just answering the question you asked me.

And like I said before we're limited for a good reason and Griffin is that reason.
[quote=30gut;910783]Limited because we don't have a full compliment of picks.
Its for a good reason though.[/quote]

I didn't forget that we have a 3rd rounder.
I was pointing out the value of the 2nd round pick and which is roughly the same as picks our picks 4-7.

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My guess... Zebrie Sanders OT Florida St.

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Love Turbin but his medical history scares me a little. ACL and lower leg. Hear that he may go early 3rd.

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Was listening to NFLN on Sirius and they were talking about 1st rd draft picks good, bad, & ?. Do the work for yourself look at the past drafts from 2008 till 2011. It's about 50/50. We are at about 75% for our last picks. 2008 traded back into the 2nd rd. 2009 Orakpo, 2010 TW, & 2011 Kerrigan. My point being you need a good scout team and I think we have a good one.

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Was watching NFLN and steve wyche was reporting from redskins camp talking about what we plan to do with our picks.
He said expect us to go after OL with our 3rd and 4th rounders as well as a TE. He also said that should Vontaze be there in the later rounds, expect him to be an option for us a depth at MLB.

Yes, I know another Vontaze mentioning with us, but this time by someone other than a warpath member. And that was the only prospect other than RG3 that was specifically named by him whom we'd target...more to come. 2 more days in a few hours is draft time.

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3 Trumaine Johnson CB/FS Montana
4 James Michael-Johnson ILB Nevada
4 Robert Turbin RB Utah St.
5 Tom Compton OT South Dakota
6 Justin Bethel CB/S Presbyterian
7 Rishaw Johnson OG California (PA)

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/4/24/2971731/hogs-haven-redskins-draft-board]Hogs Haven Redskins Draft Board - Hogs Haven[/url]


[url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao9PSRga3pV9dHdDVlhwYThtZWRzMzdXa0VaR2FYLWc#gid=0[/url]


Saw this thought it might be fun to keep an eye on.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288dbda/article/2012-nfl-mock-draft-teambyteam-picks-for-rounds-17]NFL.com news: 2012 NFL Mock Draft: Team-by-team picks for Rounds 1-7[/url]

I don't want these some of those guys but thats how most drafts are.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;911245][url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288dbda/article/2012-nfl-mock-draft-teambyteam-picks-for-rounds-17]NFL.com news: 2012 NFL Mock Draft: Team-by-team picks for Rounds 1-7[/url]

I don't want these some of those guys but thats how most drafts are.[/quote]

I'll take Chris Polk in the 4th, or even 3rd, he is a beast who we might be able to get in the 4th. Great at making cuts, can catch the ball, and much like Portis ducks the shoulder near the sideline to make an extra couple yards.

Also ran some spread in college so if, and a big if, the shannys are smart enough to use alittle of it between having rg3 and him, they could probably average a few yard off of it with some potential big plays.

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[quote=30gut;910449]Round 3- Zerbie Sanders OT

Round 4- James Brown OG

Round 4- Cyrus Gray RB

Round 5- Aaron Henry FS

Round 6- Coty Sensbaugh CB

Round 7- Korey Toomer (3-4 ILB)[/quote]

Round 3- Donald Stephenson OT

Round 4- James Brown OT/OG

Round 4- Ron Brooks CB (NB)

Round 5- Terrance Gannaway RB (FB) {if available would love Cyrus Gray here}

Round 6- Aaron Henry FS

Round 7- Devon Wylie WR(KR)

Priority UDFA camp invites:
Nick Mondek, Chris Owusu WR, Vontaze Burfict ILB, Mark Asper OL

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My final one:

1.) Robert Griffin III Quarterback, Baylor
3.) Dwight Bentley Cornerback, UL-Layfette
4.) Robert Turbin Runningback, Utah State
4.) Donald Stephenson Tackle, Oklahoma
5.) Phillip Thomas Safety, Syracuse
6.) Vontaze Burfict Linebacker, Arizona State
7.) Cliff Harris Cornerback, Oregon

I would be satisfied with this.

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[quote=30gut;910783]
I think Helu and Royster made big strides last year and have surpassed Hightower in ability to make the right cutback decision.

I think its will be Helu/Royster/Hightower RBBC with Helu getting 3rd down stuff.[/quote]

Helu is prob the worst cutback runner we have. He finds a hole then plows through it, he has great straight line speed. Rarely does he change direction once he plants. They want someone who change direction on a dime and is shifty as a runner.