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Glad we kept London he is invaluable to this franchise!

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[quote=Evilgrin;908892]I don't give a rats ass about pro bowls, but the people saying he is slowing down? Didn't he just get named to the All Pro team? Lead the league in total tackles, if that's slowing down then we should expect him to just be top five this year.[/quote]

Good point.

Usually when we say so and so is slowing down, we're comparing him to Calvin Johnson or Patrick Willis.

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[quote=Evilgrin;908892]I don't give a rats ass about pro bowls, but the people saying he is slowing down? Didn't he just get named to the All Pro team? Lead the league in total tackles, if that's slowing down then we should expect him to just be top five this year.[/quote]

Fletcher is not slowing down by any means. The proof of this is that he was the most productive linebacker(outside, middle, or inside) in the NFL last season. Age is nothing but a number. It's beyond me that people like to put so much emphasis on an athlete's age. Age doesn't mean a thing. George Foreman is the oldest heavyweight boxing champion of all time and he did it well into his 40s.

London Fletcher is just as good as anybody playing linebacker in the NFL today.

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[quote=FRPLG;908844]Well first off Pierce took a minimally better deal to go to a division rival. It could be argued that a successful UDFA might feel like he owed the team that gave him a chance a slight discount. And Clark is a decent player that fits their scheme perfectly. [B]He isnt some huge loss[/B].[/quote]


are you kidding me? he walked because we wouldn't pay like 1.5mill or something trivial...

then we signed archuletta to an awful contract, wasted a top 10 pick on landry (and gave him a big contract), sign AO to a giant contract... and this whole time he's been playing better (for less) than any of those guys.

If you waste $100mill trying to replace a guy, it's a pretty big loss.

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[quote=12thMan;908825]Is there a more dependable middle linebacker in the NFL than London Fletcher? Emphatically no. The guy shows up every day, every week and puts in work. Bottom line, our defense is much better with Fletcher than it is without him.

Secondly, we need to get over the "did we overpay" crap. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. This is the NFL, not Dairy Queen. I distinctly remember years ago, some of you on this board were bitching and moaning, and rightfully so, when the 'Skins would let guys like Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark walk. Now the organization displays some actual loyalty, keep one of our own and ante up at the same time, some folks still ain't happy.

I fi[/quote]

That's a damn fine post sir :)

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fletch vomited into a mason jar for me, i keep it in my medicine cabinet for emergencies. he's the only redskin to ever do that for me. he's also the only redskin to ever be considered for darrell green blood transfusions, not sure if he was approved or not, just that he was being considered

i am very glad he is back for the next 2 seasons

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Im glad we got a deal done with London and I think 2 years is fine. Don't let age fool you 37yrs old is not old if you take care of your body and stay in shape year around. London has not had a major injury thus far in his career which has allowed him to play so many games at a high level. Good to have him backthe best free agent Synder has ever signed.

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All I'm saying is his chances of keeping up his level of play at 37-38 is 50/50. I'm not mad he's back. Hell I'm happy they signed him and gave him the raise he deserved. I would've just did it for one year and maybe given him 8 mil or so. Two years at 14 mil at that age? ... at that position? We'll see.

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[quote=skinsfan69;908925]All I'm saying is his chances of keeping up his level of play at 37-38 is 50/50. I'm not mad he's back. Hell I'm happy they signed him and gave him the raise he deserved. I would've just did it for one year and maybe given him 8 mil or so. Two years at 14 mil at that age? ... at that position? We'll see.[/quote]


I'm glad that all are tickled that LF is back. All I've said is that at some point the skins have to move on and find another ILB and that it would be better to do it a year too soon thatn a year too late. LF was not going to get the same money anywhere else. Why the skins didn't wait until after June 1st and not over pay is a mystery to me.

[QUOTE=whistler;908926]I'm glad that all are tickled that LF is back. All I've said is that at some point the skins have to move on and find another ILB and that it would be better to do it a year too soon thatn a year too late. LF was not going to get the same money anywhere else. Why the skins didn't wait until after June 1st and not over pay is a mystery to me.[/QUOTE]

There is nothing stopping them from drafting more ILBs this draft, and who better to set an example then Fletcher.

Why wait till Jun 1st?

One important aspect of signing now is that he will be at all team organized activities, and can help at a player to player level. That may be even more critical in this new CBA era with fewer team training days.



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People always seem to forget Clark spent two years as a Giant first.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;908928]There is nothing stopping them from drafting more ILBs this draft, and who better to set an example then Fletcher.

Why wait till Jun 1st?

One important aspect of signing now is that he will be at all team organized activities, and can help at a player to player level. That may be even more critical in this new CBA era with fewer team training days.



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Imagine if the Redskins drafted that kid from Arizona State named Vontaze Burfict. If London Fletcher mentored him Burfict would indeed be the best inside LB in professional football one day.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;908939]Imagine if the Redskins drafted that kid from Arizona State named Vontaze Burfict. If London Fletcher mentored him Burfict would indeed be the best inside LB in professional football one day.[/quote]

This.

I've seen Burfict fall into the late rounds in a lot of mock drafts due to character concerns and a poor combine; however, he has fantastic game tape and the Ray Lewis comparisons alone should warrant a late draft pick. If we could pick him up in the fifth and let Fletcher mentor him we could have one of the biggest steals in this draft.

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[quote=r08kessl;908940]This.

I've seen Burfict fall into the late rounds in a lot of mock drafts due to character concerns and a poor combine; however, he has fantastic game tape and the Ray Lewis comparisons alone should warrant a late draft pick. If we could pick him up in the fifth and let Fletcher mentor him we could have one of the biggest steals in this draft.[/quote]

Normally when a kid is mentioned on public sports forums as being a steal, he doesnt slide. Not because you exposed his value, but because other paid scouts have already identified his adjusted(character) value.

Good teams draft great players an keep them. We are finally doing the poor mans version of that by keeping fletch.

I'd like to get to the point where we are more than the team that gives out crazy contracts or is used for leverage against the team a FA really wants to play for.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;908939]Imagine if the Redskins drafted that kid from Arizona State named Vontaze Burfict. If London Fletcher mentored him Burfict would indeed be the best inside LB in professional football one day.[/quote]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/15/burfict-gets-the-cold-shoulder/]Burfict gets the cold shoulder | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;908939]Imagine if the Redskins drafted that kid from Arizona State named Vontaze Burfict. If London Fletcher mentored him Burfict would indeed be the best inside LB in professional football one day.[/quote]


Hellllll no.


Kid ran over a 5.0 in the 40, AND I watched some of vids of him and he has 0 instincts as a LB. I'll be shocked if this guy gets drafted before round 5. Add this along with his crappy attitude and lack of control. No way, no how do I want this assclown on the Skins squad.

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[quote=SmootSmack;908931]People always seem to forget Clark spent two years as a Giant first.[/quote]

...wait, who wants to remember that anyway?! ;)

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^ Yeah I always forget clark was a Giant before a skin. Amazing how he went undrafted.

Also what is the final numbers that London got for his new deal. People here keeping blurting out different amounts, but no one has given a source as to what it actually is.

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[quote=NC_Skins;908976]Hellllll no.


Kid ran over a 5.0 in the 40, AND I watched some of vids of him and he has 0 instincts as a LB. I'll be shocked if this guy gets drafted before round 5. Add this along with his crappy attitude and lack of control. No way, no how do I want this assclown on the Skins squad.[/quote]

What needs to happen is someone like London Fletcher, Brian Orakpo, or Phillip Daniels needs to sit this kid down. Burfict probably needs an attitude adjustment. His lousy performances at the combine and his pro day surprised me. In the Pac 12 he played well against Andrew Luck, Nick Foles, and Matt Barkley. If the Redskins don't draft him, some other NFL team will. Even if he doesn't get drafted, he will sign on as a FA somewhere. There's nothing wrong with Burfict. Like all children he just needs to grow up and mature.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;909003]What needs to happen is someone like London Fletcher, Brian Orakpo, or Phillip Daniels needs to sit this kid down. Burfict probably needs an attitude adjustment. His lousy performances at the combine and his pro day surprised me. In the Pac 12 he played well against Andrew Luck, Nick Foles, and Matt Barkley. If the Redskins don't draft him, some other NFL team will. Even if he doesn't get drafted, he will sign on as a FA somewhere. There's nothing wrong with Burfict. Like all children he just needs to grow up and mature.[/quote]

I agree with you. He is 100% a headcase. Its the laziness of HC's and GM's about drafting and taking the time to train a guy, when they can find another player to spend a pick on that isn't a headcase or is easier to coach.


Vontaze has talent. Don't get me wrong. The dude can literally make Guards fly. He has the perfect NFL MLB body. He was a HIGHLY touted recruit coming out of high school, thats why everyones mentioning him. Monty Kiffin who is one of the most respected NFL Defensive Coordinator's of our time said that Vontaze will be starting sundays without a doubt.

We look like we have a great situation with London here to 'mentor' and 'tame' him, but we also have our own problems with Fred (Cheech) and Trent (Chong). Pittsburgh with Tomlin, Polamalu, Clark, Keisel, and Woodley would make it an ideal spot for Vontaze, but just like us, they have their own headcases like James Harrison and Big Ben (of old; but still). New England would be an ideal spot, but to the same token, they already have Spikes and Mayo, so theres not really a need for a 3rd ILB. And Spikes isn't exactly the most soft spoken guy out there. Then you have Baltimore. That is about the best fit I can think of. Ray Lewis can mentor anyone. Ray is on his last legs of his NFL career and Vontaze who was once considered the next Ray Lewis (some of his highlights do definitely suggest that) what is a more perfect fit that Baltimore to replace one Ray with another version of Ray. Green Bay and Chicago also seem like fits for him, but they both don't really go after the players with major past problems.

All in all, I say that the Redskins should take a chance on Vontaze if he is there in the 6th round, because after all, your draft isn't going to be perfect. You're going to have a good chunk of your draft thats going to be players that aren't going to even be in the league 2 years from now. We have wasted picks on guys we absolutely didn't need in the past. We have a need for an ILB. If he's good, keep him. If he's bad, then get rid of him, its just a 6th round pick.

Then again he could go undrafted...

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Burfict could end up being another Randy Moss. He may be someone who a lot of teams will pass on and then end up actually having spectacular seasons and make teams regret that they didn't draft him. I do agree that he is worth a draft choice. Somewhere between the 5th and 7th rounds.

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Finally

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[quote=That Guy;908913]are you kidding me? he walked because we wouldn't pay like 1.5mill or something trivial...

then we signed archuletta to an awful contract, wasted a top 10 pick on landry (and gave him a big contract), sign AO to a giant contract... and this whole time he's been playing better (for less) than any of those guys.

If you waste $100mill trying to replace a guy, it's a pretty big loss.[/quote]

He wasn't. You're over-valuing what he was worth to us at the time. What we did trying to replace him is irrelevant. No one was pitching a fit when we let him walk. And I maintain, he is a better player for them because of the defense they run and what the ask him to do. He might be a good fit now.

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[quote=whistler;908926]I'm glad that all are tickled that LF is back. All I've said is that at some point the skins have to move on and find another ILB and that it would be better to do it a year too soon thatn a year too late. LF was not going to get the same money anywhere else. Why the skins didn't wait until after June 1st and not over pay is a mystery to me.[/quote]

It was the right thing to do. As others have said, he's been here day in day out, year in, year out, sets a great example and does his job. He desreved that raise in the worst way. But to me, it's awful front office work not to have someone behind a 37 year old inside linebacker.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;909012]Burfict could end up being another Randy Moss. He may be someone who a lot of teams will pass on and then end up actually having spectacular seasons and make teams regret that they didn't draft him. I do agree that he is worth a draft choice. Somewhere between the 5th and 7th rounds.[/quote]

I was surprised at how fast this kid fell. A couple of months ago he was talked about as a 1st round pick. Now, people are saying he may not get drafted.

Mayock torched him saying that he has zero instincts (as NC Skins also said) and that he's basically a run-around-traffic tackler who actually makes big hits. I also read some of his statements about how he was misused, blaming things on his coaches, etc. Apparently, he was horrific in team meetings at the pro-day. Seems to me this kid has more than a little maturity problem - some kids never get it no matter what kind of mentors are around him. This guy strikes me as one of those. From what I have read, calling him "head case" is being kind.

If he's around after the draft and the coaching staff wants to deal with him, fine. Otherwise, we have too many needs to waste a pick on an immature, overhyped ILB.

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[quote=skinsfan69;909036]It was the right thing to do. As others have said, he's been here day in day out, year in, year out, sets a great example and does his job. He desreved that raise in the worst way. [B]But to me, it's awful front office work not to have someone behind a 37 year old inside linebacker[/B].[/quote]

I won't be too hard on them for this, the transition to the 3-4 required more ILBs, and this team had a lot of whole to fill when Shanny came in. The staff did a decent job IMO of using existing players, Mcintosh, Blades, Fletch and they drafted Riley. They drafted Kerrigan to solidy the edges, so they're in a good position to draft some ILBs this year & next while Fletch is still playing.

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5 year deal but essentially 2 years, 10.7 million, with 5.2 guaranteed per JLC and others

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[quote=SmootSmack;909049]5 year deal but essentially 2 years, 10.7 million, with 5.2 guaranteed per JLC and others[/quote]

Oh no, we massively overpaid and are screwed for years! It's Haynesworth all over again!

/sarcasm

That is absolutely a fine contract for both sides.

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Much less than what Fletcher wanted and even what Redskins were reportedly initially offering.

Now we wait to see what happens with guys like Trent Williams, Chris Cooley, D Hall, Jabar Gaffney and John Beck. Could see some cuts and restructures....no Williams won't be cut before you ask

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[quote=SmootSmack;909049]5 year deal but essentially 2 years, 10.7 million, with 5.2 guaranteed per JLC and others[/quote]

Solid and fair deal for both sides.

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[quote=SmootSmack;909052]Much less than what Fletcher wanted and even what Redskins were reportedly initially offering.

Now we wait to see what happens with guys like Trent Williams, Chris Cooley, D Hall, Jabar Gaffney and John Beck. Could see some cuts and restructures....no Williams won't be cut before you ask[/quote]

Why are they keeping Beck on the roster at this point? Doesn't he make more than Grossman?

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[quote=GTripp0012;908791]I don't think a majority of my posts are negative at all.

If you're tired of reading my posts, don't comment on them. Look, there's a number of posters on here I don't bother to respond to. There's only so many ways you can put "I disagree" in a post. If I'm not interested, I just skip over when I see the username.

If calling something a "critical signing" comes off as overly negative to someone, then I don't have the time for them.[/quote]

Nearly every one of your posts are not only negative, but apparently cased on some alternate reality.

Fletcher hobbled? That is completely ridiculous.

You're the ultimate pessimist and it's beyond the point of just getting old. Your posts are beginning to hold the same value as those of Giantone and Sandtrapjack.

You claim to be a Redskins fan, but have you ever actually cheered for the team?


Anyway, you probably love the attention your out-of-touch posts receive so I'll finish up stroking your ego and just say...


[B]Finally! Resigning London is one of the most important moves we've made this offeseason!
[/B]

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Not to take this thread off course but I "ignore" a lot of people because dailogue with them is rarely ever worth it,but I probably can't "officially" since I'm a mod.

Anyhow, others should probably do the same or just add people to your ignore list.

Now back to London...

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[quote=skinsfan69;909054]Why are they keeping Beck on the roster at this point? Doesn't he make more than Grossman?[/quote]

My guess is that they will use him as a camp arm and get rid of him during final cuts. It makes no sense to keep him otherwise...

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[quote=Monkeydad;909055]Nearly every one of your posts are not only negative, but apparently cased on some alternate reality.

Fletcher hobbled? That is completely ridiculous.

You're the ultimate pessimist and it's beyond the point of just getting old. Your posts are beginning to hold the same value as those of Giantone and Sandtrapjack.

You claim to be a Redskins fan, but have you ever actually cheered for the team?


Anyway, you probably love the attention your out-of-touch posts receive so I'll finish up stroking your ego and just say...


[B]Finally! Resigning London is one of the most important moves we've made this offeseason!
[/B][/quote]

Just skip over his post. You will see a large portion of text with a bunch of useless words and numbers this is when your brain says move to the next post just crap here.

There was a time when I actually enjoyed his post or got some information from them. If you read his post thinking everything he says is fact you are sadly misinformed. He just throws so much crap against the wall in hopes it will stick no one with any sort of life would have the time to research everything he says.

GT is someone who needs to step back and determine the quality of his life. If all he does (it seems that way at least) at the young age of 23 is research and write as many negative things as possible about the Redskins then he should recheck his priorities.

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[quote=SmootSmack;909056]Not to take this thread off course but I "ignore" a lot of people because dailogue with them is rarely ever worth it,but I probably can't "officially" since I'm a mod.

Anyhow, others should probably do the same or just add people to your ignore list.

Now back to London...[/quote]

Do you know how small this board would become for you if you added GT to your ignore list?

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You know what, let's not turn this into a bash GTripp thread

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[quote=mredskins;909060]Just skip over his post. You will see a large portion of text with a bunch of useless words and numbers this is when your brain says move to the next post just crap here.

There was a time when I actually enjoyed his post or got some information from them. If you read his post thinking everything he says is fact you are sadly misinformed. He just throws so much crap against the wall in hopes it will stick no one with any sort of life would have the time to research everything he says.

GT is someone who needs to step back and determine the quality of his life. If all he does (it seems that way at least) at the young age of 23 is research and write as many negative things as possible about the Redskins then he should recheck his priorities.[/quote]

Back when he'd focus on stats and breaking down the gametapes, I loved his posts too. (if that was him I'm thinking of)


I usually do skip over and should have this time, but even more ludicrous than saying Fletcher is "hobbled" was his statement that he's not negative...had to respond. Probably shouldn't have but I was still in the "almost falling out of my chair" state. :D

College-age know-it-alls won't listen to old geezers like us anyway.

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[quote=SmootSmack;909065]You know what, let's not turn this into a bash GTripp thread[/quote]

Apologies. You posted this while I was replying.


Agreed, I should have ignored him.

So back to Fletcher...

I fully expect him to play the next 2 years at a Pro Bowl level, not saying he'll be recognized but his play really has not declined. He'll throw in another couple of interceptions and plenty of highlight reel hits.

I don't see him retiring until he's at least 40 unless he decides to leave before his play falls apart. Many players stay a year too long but if anyone has the intelligence and integrity to actually realize it's time to stop before it is too late, I think London would be that guy.