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[quote=FRPLG;935585]Your views as you have presented them are...extreme.[/quote]

and no one else has ever presented extreme views with either players, the NFLPA, the NFL, or Owners? Trolls are people who are new and don't offer anything of value, try to start fights on topics that have nothing to do with the thread, and eventually leave and don't come back.

If thats me then I've been fooling myself.

and extreme views? Simply cause I don't like the fact an ex Dallas Cowboy player is announcing Redskin games? Ok.

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How'd you feel when Pat Summerall was calling our games back in the 80s?

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[quote=SmootSmack;935596]How'd you feel when Pat Summerall was calling our games back in the 80s?[/quote]i replaced my sounds of the ocean w pat summerall, much more relaxing

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[quote=Mattyk;935586]I can't imagine the logistical nightmare of trying to match up national broadcast teams so god forbid nobody is doing a game of a former rival.

Let's take a quick look at this. So basically Aikman shouldn't do any NFC East games. Daryl Johnston no NFC East either. How about Brian Billick? No NFC North games, and no AFC North games. Cris Collinsworth no AFC North for him.

Can you see how ridiculous this would be?[/quote]

So what your telling me is they can't let Aikman announce Dallas home games? Away games are a different story. But FOX has to higher enough announcers for every game and your telling me it would be a logistical nightmare to have the local announcers announce their ball games only? They still have to have the same amount of announcers if anything it would make their jobs easier knowing that each home game is covered by announcer from the local cities.

What I really wonder is how often was Aikman announcing for the Skins and an ex Redskin announcing for some other team?

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[quote=los panda;935588]larry michael is like a slightly more advanced forrest gump, w the redskins taking the place of his "jenny".

i'd rather see buck martinez in larry michael's role[/quote]

Ditto.

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[quote=SBXVII;935600]So what your telling me is they can't let Aikman announce Dallas home games? Away games are a different story. But FOX has to higher enough announcers for every game and your telling me it would be a logistical nightmare to have the local announcers announce their ball games only? They still have to have the same amount of announcers if anything it would make their jobs easier knowing that each home game is covered by announcer from the local cities.

What I really wonder is how often was Aikman announcing for the Skins and an ex Redskin announcing for some other team?[/quote]

Aikman works for FOX, not the Cowboys. You do understand that, right?

You're just not making much sense here. Sorry I'm really not sure what else to say.

There is a really good site, I think its been linked here in the path, of how games are broadcast between the networks and teams. It has a nice map, as well, of broadcast teams each week.

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[quote=los panda;935592]idk, make a spreadsheet and find out. sounds pretty hard to me...[/quote]

8 games. All the home teams would have an ex player announcing their games with an unbiased announcer with them. Aikman has an unbiased announcer with him. They basically have what your asking right now just let Aikman announce all home Dallas games. Dallas comes to Fed Ex then our announcers announce the game. Not that difficult.

As an example I'd also throw in how Hockey does their announcing. When the Caps go away we still get to hear the local announcers for the most part. It's very rare they have different annoncers doing their game. FOX sould take note how Comcast handles their local teams events.

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fox broadcasts nfl games nationally

comcast broadcasts caps games locally

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[quote=SBXVII;935600]So what your telling me is they can't let Aikman announce Dallas home games? Away games are a different story. But FOX has to higher enough announcers for every game and your telling me it would be a logistical nightmare to have the local announcers announce their ball games only? They still have to have the same amount of announcers if anything it would make their jobs easier knowing that each home game is covered by announcer from the local cities.

What I really wonder is how often was Aikman announcing for the Skins and an ex Redskin announcing for some other team?[/quote]

Other then Joe Theisman what ex redskin is doing announcing? I'm not positive but I thing JT is ESPN.

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You can't compare NHL broadcasts to NFL. They're two totally different animals

Hooskins, think you're talking about the506.com

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[quote=hooskins;935607]There is a really good site, I think its been linked here in the path, of how games are broadcast between the networks and teams. It has a nice map, as well, of broadcast teams each week.[/quote]

You mean dis place?

[url=http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/]the506.com - NFL map index 2011[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;935615]You can't compare NHL broadcasts to NFL. They're two totally different animals

Hooskins, think you're talking about the506.com[/quote]

jinx. You owe me a Coke.

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You also have to remember its only in preseason that you get your local announcers doing the games.

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[quote=firstdown;935619]You also have to remember its only in preseason that you get your local announcers doing the games.[/quote]

And that's bad enough. I'm glad I don't have to listen to Larry Michael or Theismann during the regular season.

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Troy Aikman is by far the best game announcer there is in football. The ONLY other person that would give him a run for the money in my book is Jon Gruden.

Who gives a flying **** if Aikman was a cowboy. The 90's called and they want their grudge back.


Hell, I think Troy is much better at being a game analyst than he ever was a NFL QB, and he's in the Hall of Fame. That should tell you something.

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[quote=SmootSmack;935596]How'd you feel when Pat Summerall was calling our games back in the 80s?[/quote]

Point taken. I'll say I liked Pat. He was decent and fair. Question though, was he a Mon. night announcer only or was he always announcing for the Skins on Sundays?

I'll answer it after having looked. He got started in 1962 announcing for the Giants after having played for them. He announced for 3 yrs then CBS changed their rules governing dedicated announcers for each team. He then announced for the Redskins for the next 4 yrs until 1968. After which he got teamed up with a ton of different people and announced for a ton of different sports. Not just NFL. He became the regular Super Bowl announcer teamed with other announcers. He did the Master, U.S. Open, and NBA.

I think my not having an issue with him stemmed from seeing him announcing every where and him doing it well. and he wasn't a Dallas Cowboy.

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[quote=SBXVII;935625]Point taken. I'll say I liked Pat.[B] He was decent and fair[/B]. Question though, was he a Mon. night announcer only or was he always announcing for the Skins on Sundays?

I'll answer it after having looked. He got started in 1962 announcing for the Giants after having played for them. He announced for 3 yrs then CBS changed their rules governing dedicated announcers for each team. He then announced for the Redskins for the next 4 yrs until 1968. After which he got teamed up with a ton of different people and announced for a ton of different sports. Not just NFL. He became the regular Super Bowl announcer teamed with other announcers. He did the Master, U.S. Open, and NBA.

I think my not having an issue with him stemmed from seeing him announcing every where and him doing it well. and he wasn't a Dallas Cowboy.[/quote]

It seems like your the only person who thinks Aikmen is not fair. I'd actually say he might lean more to our side trying to make sure he is fair.

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[quote=SmootSmack;935615]You can't compare NHL broadcasts to NFL. They're two totally different animals

Hooskins, think you're talking about the506.com[/quote]

Wait, wait, wait. Yes I can. I'm not comparing their skills I'm simply saying the NHL can figure out a way to get the same announcers from our local jurisdiction to announce each game and they have a ton more games. Yet the NFL can't do the same?

Now I presume the topic will come up that has not is the money issue. FOX would have to hire someone to work 8 games only. Now a days the announcers look for it to be their yearly career's so they want to have as many games as possible. and I see the point and respect it. But lets look at it this way, our local FOX DC could utilize the sports announcers they already have that are covering the Redskins through camp and preseason announce the games as well plus those announcers would already know the team and players, coaches, owner, and system better then Aikman ever would.

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[quote=mooby;935621]And that's bad enough. I'm glad I don't have to listen to Larry Michael or Theismann during the regular season.[/quote]


To each his own, I'd prefer Theismann over Aikman every day. But I'll grant you there would have to be someone better then Theismann.

But you would be saved cause Theismann doesn't work for FOX.

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[quote=SmootSmack;935596]How'd you feel when Pat Summerall was calling our games back in the 80s?[/quote]

Summerall was on the national broadcast's ,during the 70's with Tom Brookshire(ex-Eagle) and they were very good, and then Madden ,I thought.

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i'd take madden + summerall over any

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[quote=SBXVII;935629]Wait, wait, wait. Yes I can. I'm not comparing their skills I'm simply saying the NHL can figure out a way to get the same announcers from our local jurisdiction to announce each game and they have a ton more games. Yet the NFL can't do the same?

Now I presume the topic will come up that has not is the money issue. FOX would have to hire someone to work 8 games only. Now a days the announcers look for it to be their yearly career's so they want to have as many games as possible. and I see the point and respect it. But lets look at it this way, our local FOX DC could utilize the sports announcers they already have that are covering the Redskins through camp and preseason announce the games as well plus those announcers would already know the team and players, coaches, owner, and system better then Aikman ever would.[/quote]

That's not the way it works, the NFL is not local. It's national.

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[quote=NC_Skins;935622]Troy Aikman is by far the best game announcer there is in football. The ONLY other person that would give him a run for the money in my book is Jon Gruden.

Who gives a flying **** if Aikman was a cowboy. The 90's called and they want their grudge back.


Hell, I think Troy is much better at being a game analyst than he ever was a NFL QB, and he's in the Hall of Fame. That should tell you something.[/quote]


Ladies and Gentlemen, here lies the reason football is not as good as it used to be. Fans who just don't care or don't give a flying (you know what).

First it was letting a CAP to be put in place, then it was Free Agency, and now its simply fans who don't give a ****.

1-The CAP would force teams to let good players go cause they couldn't keep them on the roster due to budgeting.

2- Free Agency was applied so players could go to other teams and get the $$$. (who gives a rats ass about loyalty, right).

3- Fans who are willing to tolerate rival teams players announcing their games because ... who gives a flying ****.

LOL.

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[quote=firstdown;935628]It seems like your the only person who thinks Aikmen is not fair. I'd actually say he might lean more to our side trying to make sure he is fair.[/quote]

OMG. I never said he's not fair. If anything I said he was a decent announcer. But, he should be a decent announcer for the Cowboys on Sundays. Not announcing Redskins games.

Basically your all telling me that there is no way our local FOX DC can locate, find, or hire an ex Redskins to announce on Sunday? Not a one? Atleast the home games. No one? OK.

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[quote=SBXVII;935643]OMG. I never said he's not fair. If anything I said he was a decent announcer. But, he should be a decent announcer for the Cowboys on Sundays. Not announcing Redskins games.

Basically your all telling me that there is no way our local FOX DC can locate, find, or hire an ex Redskins to announce on Sunday? Not a one? Atleast the home games. No one? OK.[/quote]

Local FOX DC has nothing to do with the games

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[quote=SBXVII;935643]OMG. I never said he's not fair. If anything I said he was a decent announcer. But, he should be a decent announcer for the Cowboys on Sundays. Not announcing Redskins games.

Basically your all telling me that there is no way our [B]local FOX DC[/B] can locate, find, or hire an ex Redskins to announce on Sunday? Not a one? Atleast the home games. No one? OK.[/quote]who are they going to be broadcasting to?

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[quote=Giantone;935633]Summerall was on the national broadcast's ,during the 70's with Tom Brookshire(ex-Eagle) and they were very good, and then Madden ,I thought.[/quote]

Yes both Summeral and Brookshire started out announcing Giants game in 62 I believe. Then both got transfered to the Skins games I think. and to point out neither was from the rival Dallas Cowboys. but in any event CBS ended up doing what FOX is doing now and Summerall announced all over the NFL.

and to be honest I was young when I first started seeing him in the late 70's early 80's and by then I think he was announcing golf, tennis, and with the NBA by then. I saw enough of him every where else that it didn't really matter. On top of that back then I don't think I knew he was a former player. As a kid I just didn't care. Of course when I got older and actually heard it mentioned that he was a former player I had been exposed to him enough to not care if he was announcing a Skins game.

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[quote=los panda;935645]who are they going to be broadcasting to?[/quote]

I'll answer both yours and Smoots together. I know the local FOX DC does not have anything to do with broadcasting the game, but it is on the local network. or atleast it was last year. If this is a trick statement then I'll admit I don't know who is showing the games this year. I presumed FOX.

Who would they broadcast to, if FOX is the network who is won the bid to air the games? they would broad cast to the local area and to the opponants local area.

I'll admit I'm obviously not a genius in regards to the "broadcasting areas."
However when I was refering to broadcasting I was not refering to all the different states or localities, I was refering to which ever Network that has won the bid to air the games each week should have announcers hired from each teams locality to announce the home games. Away games would obviously be announced by the home teams.

So.... if it's not FOX who is airing the local games here in DC then which ever network "is" airing the games then they should have local announcers for all the home games.

I'm sorry is it really this difficult? I flip to a CAPs game and see the same announcers every game. Local announcers and one that used to be a player for the team. I like that. If I'm not mistaken the Nats have the same announcer for their home games. I like that. The Wizards for the most part have the same announcers for their home games (if I'm not mistaken). Yet when it comes to football... we get Aikman. A non local and an ex player of our rival team. IDK, maybe I just give a **** too much.

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Because, unless it's a national broadcast, NHL/NBA/MLB games are only shown locally. NFL games are nationally televised. There aren't separate local deals for each game. That's now how the contract is set up for broadcasting NFL games.

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SB, based on what you've stated in this thread you simply have no idea how any of this works. There are distinct and mutually exclusive differences between how baseball/hockey/basketball broadcast their games and how the NFL does its games. The differences which are too numerous to even mention make it virtually impossible for what you are advocating to ever happen. It would literally change the game of football by turning the entire revenue model straight on its head.

The NFL broadcasts nationally. Teams do not negotiate local contracts like the other sports. Local broadcast affiliates only have contractual relationships with the parent networks...they are NOT "THE" network. The only thing a local Fox affiliate does is turn on the proper feed provided to them by the network. The do nothing in terms of producing the broadcasts.

Why in the world would the NATIONAL networks want to take on the headache of creating disparate broadcasts of every game with varying announce teams? You do realize the production of an NFL football game is probably insanely more complicated than the other sports right?

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When I said extreme I meant "So far out of the realm of common-sense as to imply you're joking, clueless, or have an odd view of how this all works."

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[quote=FRPLG;935650]SB, based on what you've stated in this thread you simply have no idea how any of this works. There are distinct and mutually exclusive differences between how baseball/hockey/basketball broadcast their games and how the NFL does its games. The differences which are too numerous to even mention make it virtually impossible for what you are advocating to ever happen. It would literally change the game of football by turning the entire revenue model straight on its head.

The NFL broadcasts nationally. Teams do not negotiate local contracts like the other sports. Local broadcast affiliates only have contractual relationships with the parent networks...they are NOT "THE" network. The only thing a local Fox affiliate does is turn on the proper feed provided to them by the network. The do nothing in terms of producing the broadcasts.

Why in the world would the NATIONAL networks want to take on the headache of creating disparate broadcasts of every game with varying announce teams? You do realize the production of an NFL football game is probably insanely more complicated than the other sports right?[/quote]

Thank you.

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[quote=NC_Skins;935622]Troy Aikman is by far the best game announcer there is in football. The ONLY other person that would give him a run for the money in my book is Jon Gruden.

Who gives a flying **** if Aikman was a cowboy. The 90's called and they want their grudge back.


Hell, I think Troy is much better at being a game analyst than he ever was a NFL QB, and he's in the Hall of Fame. That should tell you something.[/quote]

wow... I can't believe I just read this. Personally, I think Aikman is one of the worst TV announcers of all time. (and not because he was a Cowboy) He always says the same thing after each type of play and hardly ever gives the viewer any take on the game that we don't already know. Plus, he wants to run his mouth after each play no matter what. Gruden is far better in all ways... especially picking up on things that the real football fan may miss. If Aikman is announcing a game I'm watching, I'll put the volume on mute right away.

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There's a reason why Aikman is on the lead crew for Fox, just saying. I believe he's also won some Emmy's for his work.

Gruden is ok but I think he could be so much better. I think he treads a little too lightly when it comes to calling out a coach or player. He's one big love-fest for the most part.

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Huff has been over due to retire for 10 years now. Put Cooley in their with Sunny and get a new play by play man to replace that brown nosing douche bag voiced Michaels.

Aikmen is a good color guy, though last year he seemed to have a few more post concussion moments. Which are sad really but you can hear it occasionally. I hated him as a Cowboy but he's really always gone out of his way to compliment the skins even sometimes when they werent merited. I've always wondered what people are listening to who say he rips on the skins. The skins have been a bad franchise for over a decade, the truth sometimes hurts, but I always got a sense that Aikman was trying to be fair and balanced.

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[quote=Mattyk;935660]There's a reason why Aikman is on the lead crew for Fox, just saying. I believe he's also won some Emmy's for his work.

Gruden is ok but I think he could be so much better. I think he treads a little too lightly w hen it comes to calling out a coach or player. He's one big love-fest for the most part.[/quote]

Too young to burn bridges with honest evaluation. He may need a job from someone he evaluated negatively or worse coach someone he let have it.

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I know I'll get flack but I like Simms in the booth.

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Personally I don't mind Simms or Aikmen. I think they are actually capable of being unbiased.

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[quote=FRPLG;935689]Too young to burn bridges with honest evaluation. He may need a job from someone he evaluated negatively or worse coach someone he let have it.[/quote]

yeah I get that, someday we'll hear the real Gruden, for now he's just a little too guarded