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[quote=T.O.Killa;927478]Apparently, Lichtenstieger missed practice again today. That scares me.[/quote]

whawha!?

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whats this i'm hearing about goff tearing his ACL? bummer! he would have been a good reserve.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;927478]Apparently, Lichtenstieger missed practice again today. That scares me.[/quote]

Had his knee scoped today, focus for him and Hightower is regular season

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Goff out for the season.

Lichtenstieger won't see action until week one vs Saints.

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crap.....

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Ruh Row.........

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Shame for Goff. Really isn't that big an impact on the team though

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Oline struggling with multiple injuries/issues already...why is this the same story year in, year out?

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[quote=The Goat;927488]Oline struggling with multiple injuries/issues already...why is this the same story year in, year out?[/quote]

I wouldn't say "year in, year out". But, with Kory and Jamaal down (and Trent trying to kick the habit), it could be ugly until the young guys get acclimated. Black has to be washed up at his age since he didn't play last year.

What's with the talk about a potential trade with the Raiders? Who's the source?

Tyler can get the job done at RT; inside at guard, not so much.

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Read the first post in the thread

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[quote=SmootSmack;927490]Read the first post in the thread[/quote]

Sorry. I did read the first post but the 5 pages I read after that made things a little more cloudy; Cooley is trade bait?

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[quote=RGIII;927497]Sorry. I did read the first post but the 5 pages I read after that made things a little more cloudy; Cooley is trade bait?[/quote]

Cooley being trade bait is merely speculation here....though it's not preposterous speculation

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[quote=SmootSmack;927498]Cooley being trade bait is merely speculation here....though it's not preposterous speculation[/quote]

I just read an article on the Bleacher Report about a potential trade with the Steelers involving Mike Wallace and Chris Cooley.

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;927502]I just read an article on the Bleacher Report about a potential trade with the Steelers involving Mike Wallace and Chris Cooley.[/QUOTE]

Pitt would be crazy to do that but I'd take it

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;927502]I just read an article on the Bleacher Report about a potential trade with the Steelers involving Mike Wallace and Chris Cooley.[/quote]

Oh I'd do that in a second, but I know Pitt won't do that. Plus Wallace isn't a slot guy

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;927502]I just read an article on the Bleacher Report about a potential trade with the Steelers involving Mike Wallace and Chris Cooley.[/quote]

Bleacher Report must be a parody website....

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Here's the article. [url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1276650-mike-wallace-to-washington-redskins-could-make-room-for-blockbuster-move?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=washington-redskins]Mike Wallace to Washington: Redskins Could Make Room for Blockbuster Move | Bleacher Report[/url]

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How exactly are we going to afford Wallace exactly? Did they forget about the cap penalty? He denied Pittsburghs what, 4 year, 8.5 per?

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Maybe I'll take a break until the first preseason game.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;927509]Here's the article. [url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1276650-mike-wallace-to-washington-redskins-could-make-room-for-blockbuster-move?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=washington-redskins]Mike Wallace to Washington: Redskins Could Make Room for Blockbuster Move | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]

To be clear, that's the author's own speculation. And ridiculous speculation at that. He and I had some words about this. He feels at some point the Steelers will have no choice but to trade Wallace for something like a 4th/5th and the Redskins are waiting to pounce.

He's completely off-base.

Bleacher Report makes some good hires (like Russell Baxter), but then they give a guy like this (who is an experienced media guy) that "Featured Columnist" title and it's all for naught.

But the MO there was clearly to go for the pageviews, and he succeeded

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Can he play RT?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;927471]No he is not!! Cooley for Barnes would be a very stupid trade. I've seen plenty of Raider games and Barnes is lucky to be on a team, he is horrible. I would much rather have Polumbus or Smith in there. Barnes just flat out sucks!![/quote]Yes he is!! lol
I never said anything about Cooley for Barnes.
But not only did Barnes play 16 games (which automatically makes him better then Jammal Brown).
But based on Profootball Focus Barnes graded out better then Brown.
Again its not saying much, but it is what it is.

-httr

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MW for Cooley? Craziness. Ill drive him there if thats the deal. They'd be bonkers to do thst

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[quote=30gut;927515]Yes he is!! lol
I never said anything about Cooley for Barnes.
But not only did Barnes play 16 games (which automatically makes him better then Jammal Brown).
But based on Profootball Focus Barnes graded out better then Brown.
Again its not saying much, but it is what it is.

-httr[/quote]

Enough said:

[url=http://bayarea.sbnation.com/oakland-raiders/2012/6/29/3122208/oakland-raiders-joe-barksdale-khalif-barnes]Oakland Raiders Positions that Could be a Liability in 2012: Right Tackle - SB Nation Bay Area[/url]

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;927502]I just read an article on the Bleacher Report about a potential trade with the Steelers involving Mike Wallace and Chris Cooley.[/quote]

Might as well had read The Onion. About as accurate.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;927518]Enough said:

[url=http://bayarea.sbnation.com/oakland-raiders/2012/6/29/3122208/oakland-raiders-joe-barksdale-khalif-barnes]Oakland Raiders Positions that Could be a Liability in 2012: Right Tackle - SB Nation Bay Area[/url][/quote]

Something tells me that Barnes did not write that. Very unflattering. And the article mentions the same penalty-prone behavior that you listed.

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[quote=SmootSmack;927513]To be clear, that's the author's own speculation. And ridiculous speculation at that. He and I had some words about this. He feels at some point the Steelers will have no choice but to trade Wallace for something like a 4th/5th and the Redskins are waiting to pounce.

He's completely off-base.

Bleacher Report makes some good hires (like Russell Baxter), but then they give a guy like this (who is an experienced media guy) that "Featured Columnist" title and it's all for naught.

But the MO there was clearly to go for the pageviews, and he succeeded[/quote]

I feel like Bleacher Report has become the new PFT. Occasionally they have good insight, but if you hear something too good to be true from them it most likely is. I love Cooley, but I'd give him and a 5th up for Wallace in a heartbeat.

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Going into preseason again talking about Right Tackle play and question marks makes me wonder why we didnt draft a Tackle in the 3rd round? We coulda still drafted Compton and Gettis, but seemed RT was more of a priority than McRib at C.

This one is on Shanny if we going into the season with JB injured.

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So 1. Allen is now saying there are no trade talks at all. 2. I inquired, and there was a conversation but it did not involve any significant players. Just some minor players and late draft picks being tossed around as part of everyday conversation between GMs.

A "totally inconsequential" conversation is what I've been told

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Thanks ss

So it sounds like we're trading for John Beck again?

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[quote=SmootSmack;927525]So 1. Allen is now saying there are no trade talks at all. 2. I inquired, and there was a conversation but it did not involve any significant players. Just some minor players and late draft picks being tossed around as part of everyday conversation between GMs.

A "totally inconsequential" conversation is what I've been told[/quote]

So did Matty meet your contract demands? This mean the lockout is over and Smootsmack information camp can begin?

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Bring back Chewbaca, the former Terp

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[quote=SmootSmack;927525]So 1. Allen is now saying there are no trade talks at all. 2. I inquired, and there was a conversation but it did not involve any significant players. Just some minor players and late draft picks being tossed around as part of everyday conversation between GMs.

A "totally inconsequential" conversation is what I've been told[/quote]

Definitely appreciate the inside scoop on this one...yoda man smootsmack

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[quote=NC_Skins;927536]So did Matty meet your contract demands? This mean the lockout is over and Smootsmack information camp can begin?[/quote]

No, I'm still pondering retirement.

I did pretty lazy inquiring, didn't cross-check or press the issue or anything. I would say that almost all significant discussions begin as inconsequential (and then build up).

And who really knows how truthful Bruce is being

I do know we came close, verrrrrrrry close, to flat out releasing Cooley over the weekend. To give him a fair shot elsewhere. So with this trade rumor, I thought well maybe they found a willing partner.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;927518]Enough said:
[url=http://bayarea.sbnation.com/oakland-raiders/2012/6/29/3122208/oakland-raiders-joe-barksdale-khalif-barnes]Oakland Raiders Positions that Could be a Liability in 2012: Right Tackle - SB Nation Bay Area[/url][/quote]
How does this man's opinion make Barnes worse then Jammal Brown?

Lets start with the simplest tennant for being a good player: be available.
Barnes started 16 games. Jammal Brown started 14 (and didn't finish all of them).

Profootball Focus produces some of the most objective advanced metrics you can find, here's how they rank them:


[quote=PFF]Jammal Brown [B][I][COLOR="DarkRed"](-18.5) [/COLOR][/I][/B]Brown looked spent while Chester was never going to live up to the contract the Redskins gave him. At least Chester is decent at something (pass protection), can you say that about Brown?[/quote]

[quote=PFF]Worst Player: It could have been a lot worse starting Khalif Barnes [B][I][COLOR="darkred"](-16.1), [/COLOR][/I][/B]so perhaps his season was something of a best-case scenario.[/quote]

[url=http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/22/ranking-the-2011-offensive-lines-part-1/]Ranking the 2011 Offensive Lines - Part 1 | ProFootballFocus.com[/url]

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[quote=InsaneBoost;927511]How exactly are we going to afford Wallace exactly?[B] Did they forget about the cap penalty?[/B] He denied Pittsburghs what, 4 year, 8.5 per?[/quote]

All rumors of trades has to take the cap penalty into account. We may not have been able to acquire a T in FA because of it, and the expenditure of Draft picks for RGIII may have impacted our abilities to acquire T's in the Draft. All of what I just stated may be as rediculous as the Bleacher Report trade, or positively any report from PFT, or BA may have just been yammering up the airwaves blowing smoke. But I'm sure it's a little bit of all of the above.

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[quote=SmootSmack;927542]No, I'm still pondering retirement.

I did pretty lazy inquiring, didn't cross-check or press the issue or anything. I would say that almost all significant discussions begin as inconsequential (and then build up).

And who really knows how truthful Bruce is being

[B]I do know we came close, verrrrrrrry close, to flat out releasing Cooley over the weekend. To give him a fair shot elsewhere[/B]. So with this trade rumor, I thought well maybe they found a willing partner.[/quote]

do they really have that much faith in davis staying on the feild and niles paul being able to contribute at tight end? maybe it's just my homer glasses fogging up, but to me that just sounds like a terrible idea. we all know how close fred is to a year vacation and niles paul has played as much at tight end in the nfl as griffin has played qb.

whats up with paulsen? haven't heard his name at all this year

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[quote=mlmdub130;927546]do they really have that much faith in davis staying on the feild and niles paul being able to contribute at tight end? maybe it's just my homer glasses fogging up, but to me that just sounds like a terrible idea. we all know how close fred is to a year vacation and niles paul has played as much at tight end in the nfl as griffin has played qb.

whats up with paulsen? haven't heard his name at all this year[/quote]

Ive heard beau reliford's name come quite a bit recently. Maybe he could turn into a strong pass catching TE for us.

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[quote=SmootSmack;927542]I do know we came close, verrrrrrrry close, to flat out releasing Cooley over the weekend. To give him a fair shot elsewhere. So with this trade rumor, I thought well maybe they found a willing partner.[/quote]

Not surprised by this considering all off-season the ES crew has been talking about Cooley being gone either this year or next. My guess is that he'll be hard to trade with that type of price tag on him so releasing him may be the only option. This enforces my belief in getting whatever we can for him while we still can.