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i heard he has a bad attitude.. not really a good locker room guy and his ex gf at LSU says he has a drinking problem I have a friend that has gone there the past 3 years

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He will already drop Janoris Jenkins style for being suspended and because people think he is too small. He did cheat on his ex-gf at LSU though but I dont care about that. I like him better as the Safety/slot corner guy

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[quote=Ruhskins;955988]Oooh, I'll be happy with the Honey Badger.[/quote]

pass. pass. pass.


He's not a good cover guy. Claiborne was their best cover corner by far. Add that with his inability to make good decisions off the field. No thanks.

[QUOTE=Meks;956096]i heard he has a bad attitude.. not really a good locker room guy and his ex gf at LSU says he has a drinking problem I have a friend that has gone there the past 3 years[/QUOTE]

Well is he going to meetings? Because its not a problem unless you are going to meetings.


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Dont know bout Honey Boo Boo, he cant cover so CB is out of the question. Strong safety might be best fit. If he is there in the 3rd/4th round id grab him

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[quote=Ruhskins;955445]Jarius Byrd should be the number one offseason priority. I don't know what other options are available at FS in free agency, but I'd like for the team to spend money there. I'd be happy with signing a competent starter at RT, kinda like the Josh Morgan version of a RT.

In terms of CBs, I'd like for us to focus our draft efforts in the secondary and see what we have from the likes of Crawford or any other young CB in our team/practice squad. A lot of our secondary problems will be solved by having a competent FS, which we haven't had since the late Sean Taylor.[/quote]

Free Agency strategy - wait till after the draft to fill out the roster with cheap/proven talent that might be able to fill in for a year

Draft Strategy:
2nd Rd. - Best CB/S available
3rd Rd - Best CB/S available
4th Rd - Best CB/S available
5th Rd - Best CB/S available
6th Rd. - Best CB/S available
7th Rd. - Best CB/S available
If they decide to add an 8th Rd. - Best CB/S available

Obviously a slight overexaggeration but this pretty much sums up how I feel about watching our secondary! It has totally surpassed 0-Line depth as the weakest link.

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I knew safety was going to be a big weakness for us in the offseason, I was very excited about the tanard jackson signing he is a true ballhawk, that being said safety will be a priority this offseason as well as cb coming in a close 2nd. My #1 option is Tyvon Branch who is an free agent after this year if Im not mistaken. He is fast and is can play sideline to sideline. We also need a fs that is a true ballhawk and has speed. I really think if we fill that void alone we are a much better team, but until then lets get merriweather back and see what he can do, he's from the U and has proven to be a player lets hope he can get back to that.

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;956102]He will already drop Janoris Jenkins style for being suspended and because people think he is too small. He did cheat on his ex-gf at LSU though but I dont care about that. I like him better as the Safety/slot corner guy[/QUOTE]

He cheated on his girlfriend in college? Lol.


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I don't think you can cheat on your EX-girlfriend. That would be called moving on.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;956114]Free Agency strategy - wait till after the draft to fill out the roster with cheap/proven talent that might be able to fill in for a year

Draft Strategy:
2nd Rd. - Best CB/S available
3rd Rd - Best CB/S available
4th Rd - Best CB/S available
5th Rd - Best CB/S available
6th Rd. - Best CB/S available
7th Rd. - Best CB/S available
If they decide to add an 8th Rd. - Best CB/S available

Obviously a slight overexaggeration but this pretty much sums up how I feel about watching our secondary! It has totally surpassed 0-Line depth as the weakest link.[/quote]

I was thinking leaning more towards:

Draft Strategy:
2nd Rd. - Best CB/S available
3rd Rd - Best CB/S available
4th Rd - RT
5th Rd - Best CB/S available
6th Rd. - Best CB/S available
7th Rd. - Best CB/S available

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Is Tanard Jackson a no-go for us next year?

[QUOTE=Kindoy;956234]Is Tanard Jackson a no-go for us next year?[/QUOTE]

I had asked this in another thread. I would have to imagine he is done here but ill let the people more in the know answer this.
SS........paging SS.


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[quote=Kindoy;956234]Is Tanard Jackson a no-go for us next year?[/quote]

He's a FA, and not likely in their plans at this point. Not a priority, that's for sure

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[quote=ethat001;956204]I don't think you can cheat on your EX-girlfriend. That would be called moving on.[/quote]

She was his girlfriend at the time

Is he even going to be reinstated? It was a minimum one year ban.


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Good question. 2nd time he's had this ban so odds are against him. But he probably will be.

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[quote=Ruhskins;956090]We need to start rumors about him so he drops in the draft. LOL.[/quote]

First off, if you read this weeks SI, it said that he has a marijuana problem, along with a father who is in prison for killing someone. He's also having a kid in a few months. So right there thats 3 red flags on him. He got kicked off his team, so his stock has already fallen to the 3rd round, at best range.

Second off, supposedly he isn't that good in man to man coverage. I believe that his instincts make up for whatever 'coverage problems' he supposedly has. I watched him play and he was stride for stride with a WR. Sure he allowed catches, all CBs do. Sure he has a tough time with bigger WRs and TEs, but really, do you expect a 5-9 CB to be shutting down 6-3 TE/WR's? He'd be great against the smaller, quicker WRs. Like Welkers, amendolas and hawkins.

Third, Tyrann is a cocky player. I could see him easily returning a kick for a TD then all of a sudden he's the sh!t and becomes the "me, me, me; I, I, I" kind of player.

Fourth and final point, lets keep this to Free agents. I'll make a draft prospect thread once the bowl season begins.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;956186]I knew safety was going to be a big weakness for us in the offseason, I was very excited about the tanard jackson signing he is a true ballhawk, that being said safety will be a priority this offseason as well as cb coming in a close 2nd. My #1 option is [B]Tyvon Branch [/B]who is an free agent after this year if Im not mistaken. He is fast and is can play sideline to sideline. We also need a fs that is a true ballhawk and has speed. I really think if we fill that void alone we are a much better team, but until then lets get merriweather back and see what he can do, he's from the U and has proven to be a player lets hope he can get back to that.[/quote]

He signed a 5 year deal to stay in oakland

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;956245]Good question. 2nd time he's had this ban so odds are against him. But he probably will be.[/QUOTE]

Those athletes get all the breaks.


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[quote=CultBrennan59;956249]First off, if you read this weeks SI, it said that he has a marijuana problem, along with a father who is in prison for killing someone. He's also having a kid in a few months. So right there thats 3 red flags on him. He got kicked off his team, so his stock has already fallen to the 3rd round, at best range.
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We must have different ideas of what red flags are

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[quote=SmootSmack;956252]We must have different ideas of what red flags are[/quote]

....what are your red flags on a player...?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;956253]....what are your red flags on a player...?[/quote]

I'm not going to knock him for what his father did and I'm not going to knock him for having a kid on the way. Why?

How is having a father in prison or a child a red flag?
Edit: not trying to be redundant. I didnt see SS ask you the same question but was wondering the same thing.

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He'll return to lsu next year I bet

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[quote=SmootSmack;956256]I'm not going to knock him for what his father did and I'm not going to knock him for having a kid on the way. Why?[/quote]

Child along the way, I think of guys like Antonio Cromartie and Travis Henry. It shows to me that he isn't smart. Now maybe he wanted a kid. But how the article put it, it made it sound like he was told recently that he is actually having a kid, like Surprise! Having a kid isn't a red flag; having a kid at an early age can be considered a red flag by some, especially when Tyrann has drug problems, how is he supposed to raise a child when he has his own issues, it shows immaturity to me. (Also having a child at a young age can show to me that he [U][I]could[/I][/U] be like one of those guys above who have over +7 kids by 7+ different women. Not saying he Will be like them, but you wonder what could happen down the road--head isn't in the game, trying to play for a big contract then becoming unmotivated when they get it, etc.) the child along the way, like I said isn't a major red flag, but its something that will gets scouts attentions and can be one of the many other flags that causes coaches to ultimately pass up on the kid. And as I mentioned above with how is he supposed to support a child if he has his own problems, that is a great transition to 'red flag' number 2....

His dad being in prison is bad, IMO, because after reading that SI article, I feel as though I was almost reading about a full family cycle. Father is a great Football player, father does drugs, father has a kid at an early age, father goes to prison for drugs, father gets out and kills a man, father goes back to prison. Son is born without his father figure, son becomes good at football, son does drugs, son has a kid along the way...the rest is TBD. Ask yourself this, would you rather draft the CB who has both parents or the CB who has a mother, but a father is in jail? The root of all this is that Tyrann didn't grow up with a father figure until later in his life, and that father figure made some dumb decisions, and those decisions are in part in Tyrann, Tyranns had guidance, but he's had the drug problem which is a huge red flag, just like his dad, whats to say Tyrann doesn't follow in his dads footsteps and wind up in prison down the road. Its just riskier to take someone whos missing an adult in their life do to being in prison, than someone whos lost someone because of a death. Also people will handle a parent being in prison and jail differently. I'm not a statistician on this kind of topic, but I've heard in the past about how if a parent goes to jail that childs life being altered, raises the chances of that child greater than other children.

Also these may seem like minuscule red flags, but a couple of red flags that cam out on Cam Newton "cocky, isn't a team leader, shows immaturity at times" didn't seem like 'red flags' at the time, but damn right now they are showing in full force

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[quote=skinsfaninok;956261]He'll return to lsu next year I bet[/quote]

If you read the SI article, it said that he allowed a club to use his image to promote an event, and supposedly took whatever things the club would offer him. Therefore thats illegal, and the NCAA would ban him from D1-A schools for sure, not sure if the rule applies for 1AA schools or not.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;956262]Child along the way, I think of guys like Antonio Cromartie and Travis Henry. It shows to me that he isn't smart. Now maybe he wanted a kid. But how the article put it, it made it sound like he was told recently that he is actually having a kid, like Surprise! Having a kid isn't a red flag; having a kid at an early age can be considered a red flag by some, especially when Tyrann has drug problems, how is he supposed to raise a child when he has his own issues, it shows immaturity to me. (Also having a child at a young age can show to me that he [U][I]could[/I][/U] be like one of those guys above who have over +7 kids by 7+ different women. Not saying he Will be like them, but you wonder what could happen down the road--head isn't in the game, trying to play for a big contract then becoming unmotivated when they get it, etc.) the child along the way, like I said isn't a major red flag, but its something that will gets scouts attentions and can be one of the many other flags that causes coaches to ultimately pass up on the kid. And as I mentioned above with how is he supposed to support a child if he has his own problems, that is a great transition to 'red flag' number 2....

His dad being in prison is bad, IMO, because after reading that SI article, I feel as though I was almost reading about a full family cycle. Father is a great Football player, father does drugs, father has a kid at an early age, father goes to prison for drugs, father gets out and kills a man, father goes back to prison. Son is born without his father figure, son becomes good at football, son does drugs, son has a kid along the way...the rest is TBD. Ask yourself this, would you rather draft the CB who has both parents or the CB who has a mother, but a father is in jail? The root of all this is that Tyrann didn't grow up with a father figure until later in his life, and that father figure made some dumb decisions, and those decisions are in part in Tyrann, Tyranns had guidance, but he's had the drug problem which is a huge red flag, just like his dad, whats to say Tyrann doesn't follow in his dads footsteps and wind up in prison down the road. Its just riskier to take someone whos missing an adult in their life do to being in prison, than someone whos lost someone because of a death. Also people will handle a parent being in prison and jail differently. I'm not a statistician on this kind of topic, but I've heard in the past about how if a parent goes to jail that childs life being altered, raises the chances of that child greater than other children.

Also these may seem like minuscule red flags, but a couple of red flags that cam out on Cam Newton "cocky, isn't a team leader, shows immaturity at times" didn't seem like 'red flags' at the time, but damn right now they are showing in full force[/quote]

I never thought I'd get to say this twice in one week, but....mind....blown

Do you think John Wall is destined for failure too?

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;956264]I never thought I'd get to say this twice in one week, but....mind....blown

Do you think John Wall is destined for failure too?[/QUOTE]

Reading that post was like watching a train wreck. Wow. Mind blown indeed.

I guess AP will be a failure too since his dad went to jail

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;956264]I never thought I'd get to say this twice in one week, but....mind....blown

Do you think John Wall is destined for failure too?[/QUOTE]

Remember that commercial about drug use. I have to play football so i can buy more weed, so i can kill people like my dad did, so i can go to jail, so i can buy more weed , so i can play football, so....,,,,


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[quote=SmootSmack;956264]I never thought I'd get to say this twice in one week, but....mind....blown

Do you think John Wall is destined for failure too?[/quote]

I don't care about NBA players to be honest with you

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[quote=Ruhskins;956265]Reading that post was like watching a train wreck. Wow. Mind blown indeed.

I guess AP will be a failure too since his dad went to jail

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII using Tapatalk 2.[/quote]

AP followed a different path from his father; never did I hear about AP beating up someone or stealing money from someone, doing drugs, etc. His father being in jail was a flag to me, but it was minuscule and wasn't worth NOT drafting him (as in we should have still drafted him). Mark Ingram is another example. His dad was in the NFL but is in jail, you never heard Mark Ingram being arrested or doing anything illegal while in college. The point is players break the family trend. My point is right now Tyrann hasn't shown me that because he has a DRUG PROBLEM (Thats your MAJOR Red Flag!---unless you all think that isn't a red flag then theres no point in arguing with you all)

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[quote=CultBrennan59;956322]AP followed a different path from his father; never did I hear about AP beating up someone or stealing money from someone, doing drugs, etc. His father being in jail was a flag to me, but it was minuscule and wasn't worth NOT drafting him (as in we should have still drafted him). Mark Ingram is another example. His dad was in the NFL but is in jail, you never heard Mark Ingram being arrested or doing anything illegal while in college. The point is players break the family trend. My point is right now Tyrann hasn't shown me that because he has a DRUG PROBLEM (Thats your MAJOR Red Flag!---unless you all think that isn't a red flag then theres no point in arguing with you all)[/quote]

The drugs he did are a red flag. You should have stopped there though. All the other stuff lessens the impact of your argument

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"Child along the way, I think of guys like Antonio Cromartie and Travis Henry. It shows to me that he isn't smart. Now maybe he wanted a kid. But how the article put it, it made it sound like he was told recently that he is actually having a kid, like Surprise! Having a kid isn't a red flag; having a kid at an early age can be considered a red flag by some"

Absolutely right [B]CultBrennan59. [/B]Birth control is 100% and nobody has sex in college except for idiots and those who want a child. Anybody under 30 with an unplanned child should raise a red flag to any employer.

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lol...

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[quote=rypper11;956327]"Child along the way, I think of guys like Antonio Cromartie and Travis Henry. It shows to me that he isn't smart. Now maybe he wanted a kid. But how the article put it, it made it sound like he was told recently that he is actually having a kid, like Surprise! Having a kid isn't a red flag; having a kid at an early age can be considered a red flag by some"

Absolutely right [B]CultBrennan59. [/B]Birth control is 100% and nobody has sex in college except for idiots and those who want a child. Anybody under 30 with an unplanned child should raise a red flag to any employer.[/quote]

You took out this excerpt of my post but left out the full explanation of "Tyrann was surprised to hear he's having a child" No where did I say having a child is a red flag; Having a child when you don't have a stable lifestyle (doing drugs, no control of your own life) is the issue I was raising.

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Again keep this to free agents!!!

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[quote=CultBrennan59;956332]You took out this excerpt of my post but left out the full explanation of "Tyrann was surprised to hear he's having a child" No where did I say having a child is a red flag; Having a child when you don't have a stable lifestyle (doing drugs, no control of your own life) is the issue I was raising.[/quote]

You should go back and read your first post in this argument

But I agree let's stick to FA talk here

Who cares about the personal life of players?? You'd be surprised to hear some of the shit A.D did while playing at OU but people just care about what he does on the field.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;956339]Who cares about the personal life of players?? You'd be surprised to hear some of the shit A.D did while playing at OU but people just care about what he does on the field.[/quote]

What did he do I need details!!!! :) kidding but not really what are some of the rumors.

How many guys on here would really want everything they did in college or as a young man scrutinized? I know I may some bad decisions but turned out to be a good father and productive member of society.

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It all goes into the big pot of "Do we want to invest money and resources into this person." All of it. Some things get weighed more, some things less. Family background (really, how many times have we heard about RGIII's family background as indicator of the type of person he is), their behavior in college, how they handle personal adversity, how they treat others, etc., etc.

Bottom line is - who is this guy, do we trust him to be 100% committed, and, if not, does his potential talent outweigh the potential liability he could become. In the case of the Honey Badger, from all reports, I am pretty much a "let's pass on this one."

Folks ... just b/c guys play safety doesn't mean they are any better than what we got.