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The option play is not sustatinable in the NFL if you want to keep your QB healthy in the least. Yes in the NFL QBs get hit and hit hard all of the time, as a responsible play caller and offensive architect you dont design plays to put your QB in harms way. A play in the NFL is designed to keep the QB upright. The nature of the game doesn't always allow that to happen, however a responsible offensive coach doesn't design plays where the DE or OLB is going to place his helmet squarely in the franchise QB's chest 5 or 6 times a game. That option play in December in the Meadowlands on that turf will be the demise of R. Griffin. If the Shanahans would treat the kid as if he just cast them 2 #1 picks and a #2 they wouldn't design 6 to 8 runs a game, he'll run when plays break down, or as a gadget play on occasion, but what we are seeing is irresponsible and career threatening. Youth and toughness is no reason to invite injury.

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[quote=whistler;945183]The option play is not sustatinable in the NFL if you want to keep your QB healthy in the least. Yes in the NFL QBs get hit and hit hard all of the time, as a responsible play caller and offensive architect you dont design plays to put your QB in harms way. A play in the NFL is designed to keep the QB upright. The nature of the game doesn't always allow that to happen, however a responsible offensive coach doesn't design plays where the DE or OLB is going to place his helmet squarely in the franchise QB's chest 5 or 6 times a game. That option play in December in the Meadowlands on that turf will be the demise of R. Griffin. If the Shanahans would treat the kid as if he just cast them 2 #1 picks and a #2 they wouldn't design 6 to 8 runs a game, he'll run when plays break down, or as a gadget play on occasion, but what we are seeing is irresponsible and career threatening. Youth and toughness is no reason to invite injury.[/quote]

Im just curious.. Who made this rule? I enjoy our offense and it works. This is football and RG3 hasnt showed any signs of getting slowed down. People are umder this care bear misconception that the league has put them in. Cant hit the QB in the head, you cant go low, you cant hit him a second late, etc etc...

RG3 is going to be fine, he runs smart and hes actually helped us get a few 15days yarders just from defense frustrations trying to stop him. If he gets hurt, then he gets hurt. He enjoys the offense and is confident. We are finally scoring points and i can finally watch every series because i know im not going to just miss another 3 n out.

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My issue with the offense is this. RG3 is clearly more comfortable running what we are doing right now vs a more traditional type of scheme. Everyone wanted the Shanahans to adjust the system to suit RG3 rather than force him into something, right? So here we are.

Do you risk a drop in production/points to keep him from getting hit? Or do you turn him loose and let him do what he does best?

I don't like seeing him get hit either, but I'm enjoying what he's doing production wise.

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[quote=Mattyk;945210]My issue with the offense is this. RG3 is clearly more comfortable running what we are doing right now vs a more traditional type of scheme. Everyone wanted the Shanahans to adjust the system to suit RG3 rather than force him into something, right? So here we are.

Do you risk a drop in production/points to keep him from getting hit? Or do you turn him loose and let him do what he does best?

I don't like seeing him get hit either, but I'm enjoying what he's doing production wise.[/quote]


Yeah right now our offense keeps us in any game, so don't change anything imo. Yeah the hits are bad but those can be avoided somewhat.

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I like what they did by putting BB in the backfield. Teams were starting to say screw it, we'll let Morris beat us. But with Banks back there they have to respect his speed and can't just key in on RG3.

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[quote=rypper11;945123]I think there are a lot of positives. Front 7, Alfred Morris, RG3, DHall is playing with a fire.
Cinci is for real. They were in the playoffs last year and don't be surprised to see them win their division.[/quote]

LOL Cinci is not winning the division against the Steelers or Ravens, especially the Ravens this year.

Cinci is a mediocre team at best.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;945212]I like what they did by putting BB in the backfield. Teams were starting to say screw it, we'll let Morris beat us. But with Banks back there they have to respect his speed and can't just key in on RG3.[/QUOTE]

Me too plus getting pg back we'll be fine

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[quote=Mattyk;945212]I like what they did by putting BB in the backfield. Teams were starting to say screw it, we'll let Morris beat us. But with Banks back there they have to respect his speed and can't just key in on RG3.[/quote]

That was a great Kyle adjustment. Banks was solid in that roll. Wouldnt mind seeing Helu (if healthy) back there with Alfmo too. Maybe run some screen stuff with Banks in the future out of that look. The multiple possibilities with this scheme.

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[quote=Chico23231;945218]That was a great Kyle adjustment. Banks was solid in that roll. Wouldnt mind seeing Helu (if healthy) back there with Alfmo too. Maybe run some screen stuff with Banks in the future out of that look. The multiple possibilities with this scheme.[/quote]

You called it two years ago

"Id like to see him in the backfield or at least in the slot"

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/39580-brandon-banks-is-f-ing-man-3.html#post754609[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;944667]Kat Dennings' tits[/quote]

Definitely not her face.

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[quote=Mattyk;945210]My issue with the offense is this. RG3 is clearly more comfortable running what we are doing right now vs a more traditional type of scheme. Everyone wanted the Shanahans to adjust the system to suit RG3 rather than force him into something, right? So here we are.

Do you risk a drop in production/points to keep him from getting hit? Or do you turn him loose and let him do what he does best?

I don't like seeing him get hit either, but I'm enjoying what he's doing production wise.[/quote]

One has to wonder if the Shanahans are adjusting just to suit RG3 or if they're just adjusting, period. Considering how bad the line is - an issue compounded against Cincy with the injury to Trent - Kyle didn't really have the option (no pun intended) to run a traditional scheme.

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[quote=Coff;945249]One has to wonder if the Shanahans are adjusting just to suit RG3 or if they're just adjusting, period. Considering how bad the line is - an issue compounded against Cincy with the injury to Trent - Kyle didn't really have the option (no pun intended) to run a traditional scheme.[/quote]

Look at it this way, would we be running the option or pistol with Grossman or Cousins?

Cleary this is a RG3 offense.

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[quote=Mattyk;945255]Look at it this way, would we be running the option or pistol with Grossman or Cousins?

Cleary this is a RG3 offense.[/quote]


Yeah, there is going to be a leaning curve for both sides (coaches and QB) until they figure out what works on an NFL level.

I was thinking during the Bengals game during those option-only drives how I can see that the option isn't run at the pro level because of the speed of the defenses compared to college. Griffin had to make MUCH quicker decisions on the pitch and he was getting punished. 99/100 college QBs do not have the speed or the quick-decision making to be able to run the option at the pro level, but I think RGIII might be that 1/100. It was working. I loved how we'd bring Banks into the backfield as a ball carrier and as a decoy. We'd also split our FB out as a WR. We saw so many new formations and because of Griffin's abilities. the defense has to respect everything.

I've noticed in the 3 different games, we've seen three different offenses. Against the Saints, it was the screen game. Against the Rams we took a lot more shots down the field. Against the Bengals, we ran a lot of options. Morris and the running game were strong in all three games.

It's almost like the Shanshans are trying everything out to test the defenses, like they're building our offense week-by-week. So far, everything is working but we need to mix things up and keep defenses guessing. I also do not believe we'll run the option as much as we saw in Week 3 despite it's surprising success. We'll use it when we need to come back and absolutely need a TD. It seemed to be unstoppable except for that errant pitch. We may be the first modern team to run a true option in the NFL with success...but we can't overuse it or Griffin will get killed.

I like what I'm seeing on offense. All of the completely-different looks that has resulted in us being the highest-scoring team in the league. It just seems to be that we're seeing an evaluation period early in this season to see what works for RGIII. The answer...everything works! We're not used to seeing this many TDs...red zone trips that result in TDs so often and best of all, almost no turnovers. Our D is getting plenty of TOs too, so if they can just stop giving up the big plays, we're going to win games.

Despite our record, it's an exciting time to be a Redskins fan and our future is bright. In the past week, I've had Ravens, Giants, Seahawks, Raiders fans all come to me saying how much they love watching RGIII and how exciting it must be to be a Redskins fan right now...they're right.

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[quote=Mattyk;945210]My issue with the offense is this. RG3 is clearly more comfortable running what we are doing right now vs a more traditional type of scheme. Everyone wanted the Shanahans to adjust the system to suit RG3 rather than force him into something, right? So here we are.

Do you risk a drop in production/points to keep him from getting hit? Or do you turn him loose and let him do what he does best?

I don't like seeing him get hit either, but I'm enjoying what he's doing production wise.[/quote]

I totally agree with you about the scheme. I think Kyle is doing an excellent job of both maximizing Gryphon's strengths and bringing him along in terms of experience.

I just hope that Gryphon tries a little harder to protect himself in the scheme we have.

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[quote=Lotus;945261]I totally agree with you about the scheme. I think Kyle is doing an excellent job of both maximizing Gryphon's strengths and bringing him along in terms of experience.

I just hope that Gryphon tries a little harder to protect himself in the scheme we have.[/quote]

Honestly, he can't.

Aside from the intention al headshots and hits out of bounds, he's doing what he can. Pretty much every run, he heads to the sidelines and beats everyone to the white stripe. (they're still hitting him, extra 15 yards if they call it right)

On the option plays, the pro defenders penetrate faster than the college defenders, so he's going to get hit a lot and is going to have to make quicker decisions. The Bengals were hitting him whether he kept the ball or not and if we're running the option, really, they're entitled to do that as long as it's not blatantly late. It's a risk we're taking and that's not going to be avoided on those kinds of plays.

I think he's being smart on his runs. He's not trying to run over anyone and he seems to always be ending his runs out of bounds or in the endzone.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;945212]I like what they did by putting BB in the backfield. Teams were starting to say screw it, we'll let Morris beat us. But with Banks back there they have to respect his speed and can't just key in on RG3.[/QUOTE]

I thouroughly enjoyed seeing banks in the backfield too. My god the speed of him and rg3. I was calling banks a waste of a roster spot until that.

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[quote=Chico23231;944667]Kat Dennings' tits[/quote]

Not to go too far astray, but according to this amazing website, ...
[url=http://www.boobpedia.com/boobs/Kat_Dennings]Kat Dennings - Boobpedia - Encyclopedia of big boobs[/url] [COLOR="DarkRed"][B]!!NSFW!![/B][/COLOR]
she a 32H. H???

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Boobopedia? :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;945242]You called it two years ago

"Id like to see him in the backfield or at least in the slot"

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/39580-brandon-banks-is-f-ing-man-3.html#post754609[/url][/quote]

trying to tell you SS, Kyle is slow. :Smoker::cheeky-sm

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[quote=Coff;945246]Definitely not her face.[/quote]

focusing on the positives. face can be in the smackdown thread, i actually could work with it, she's kinda cute (but would make her fix the strahan teef)

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[quote=Coff;945249]One has to wonder if the Shanahans are adjusting just to suit RG3 or if they're just adjusting, period. Considering how bad the line is - an issue compounded against Cincy with the injury to Trent - Kyle didn't really have the option (no pun intended) to run a traditional scheme.[/quote]

I think you're on to something. I think there has been too much "tailoring" this offense to RGIII's talents as a scrambler as supposed to RGIII's potential as a dropback QB.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;945270]Not to go too far astray, but according to this amazing website, ...
[url=http://www.boobpedia.com/boobs/Kat_Dennings]Kat Dennings - Boobpedia - Encyclopedia of big boobs[/url] [COLOR="DarkRed"][B]!!NSFW!![/B][/COLOR]
she a 32H. H???[/quote]

have to check that out at home, looks like a refreshingly active site

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Great, another thread to get shut down.

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[quote=Monkeydad;945258]Yeah, there is going to be a leaning curve for both sides (coaches and QB) until they figure out what works on an NFL level.

I was thinking during the Bengals game during those option-only drives how I can see that the option isn't run at the pro level because of the speed of the defenses compared to college. Griffin had to make MUCH quicker decisions on the pitch and he was getting punished. 99/100 college QBs do not have the speed or the quick-decision making to be able to run the option at the pro level, but I think RGIII might be that 1/100. It was working. I loved how we'd bring Banks into the backfield as a ball carrier and as a decoy. We'd also split our FB out as a WR. We saw so many new formations and because of Griffin's abilities. the defense has to respect everything.

I've noticed in the 3 different games, we've seen three different offenses. Against the Saints, it was the screen game. Against the Rams we took a lot more shots down the field. Against the Bengals, we ran a lot of options. Morris and the running game were strong in all three games.

It's almost like the Shanshans are trying everything out to test the defenses, like they're building our offense week-by-week. So far, everything is working but we need to mix things up and keep defenses guessing. I also do not believe we'll run the option as much as we saw in Week 3 despite it's surprising success. We'll use it when we need to come back and absolutely need a TD. It seemed to be unstoppable except for that errant pitch. We may be the first modern team to run a true option in the NFL with success...but we can't overuse it or Griffin will get killed.

I like what I'm seeing on offense. All of the completely-different looks that has resulted in us being the highest-scoring team in the league. It just seems to be that we're seeing an evaluation period early in this season to see what works for RGIII. The answer...everything works! We're not used to seeing this many TDs...red zone trips that result in TDs so often and best of all, almost no turnovers. Our D is getting plenty of TOs too, so if they can just stop giving up the big plays, we're going to win games.

Despite our record, it's an exciting time to be a Redskins fan and our future is bright. In the past week, I've had Ravens, Giants, Seahawks, Raiders fans all come to me saying how much they love watching RGIII and how exciting it must be to be a Redskins fan right now...they're right.[/quote]

I wouldn't call an average of 30 points a game, and 2nd in the league in rushing "not working". That's just me.

There are coaches, and then there are fans. It's called gameplanning, and just because you see something one week, doesn't mean we will use it the next.

HTTR

I just found five bucks.

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[quote=punch it in;945302]I just found five bucks.[/quote]

$4.25 after you pay your federal income tax.

[QUOTE=Monkeydad;945330]$4.25 after you pay your federal income tax.[/QUOTE]

Hahaha.
Lets keep it positive.

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[quote=Coff;944628]I can't remember the feeling of having such a trustworthy offense. What a feeling. Everytime the offense gets the ball, you can reasonably hope for a score. Gone are the days of scoring 12 or 15 points a game, and that's such a wonderful feeling.[/quote]

And we don't even have our best WR on the field. How would have Cam done without Steve Smith the first 3 games last year?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;944626]Negative Nellies not needed.

Debbie Downers don't discuss.

This is the positives thread. Yes believe it or not, statistics, and just watching the game there are actual positives that we can talk about.

After 3 games:
The Skins lead the league in scoring.
Red Zone scoring, we are at 66.67% (tied for 5th)
RGIII has the longest deep ball score.
We are #6 in total offense yards
RGIII has thrown only one INT, has a passer rating over 100 (103.5 or 6th best) Luck's for comparison sake is 75.4
We have the 2nd most rushing yards
We are 5/6 for FG's, missing only the 62 yarder.

The completion percentage against our defense is tied for 11th best with Pittsburgh at 60.9% ( we are way out of skew on yds allowed, so if we can tighten the ydge, the actual coverage is not as bad as the yardage implies)
Our rushing D is 9th best in the league

That's the positives from a stats point of view. But there also are some intangibles that need to be mentioned, not the least is RGIII and what he brings in terms of game awareness.

While he hasn't led a comeback win yet, as JR mentioned elsewhere, I don't doubt that every single person wasn't holding his/her breath to see if we could march down the field and tie the game with <2 minutes left. I am pretty firmly convinced that once the game flow gets back to normal (refs I'm looking at you), we won't see the last second loss of composure that showed up in the last 2 games, although I hope someone asks Davis where he was going on the play that got the initial False Start.

Also in the intangibles, for as many yards as our D has given up, they have also had some critical 3 and outs that put the Offense in the position to tie or take the lead, not everyone was followed by offensive execution but, there are areas to build on.

So,
Again
Negative Nellies not needed
Debbie Downers don't discuss.

People with Positive Posts, please reply.[/quote]

You're right. The D handed the O the ball at mid-field with the game tied at 24 and the O couldn't score a point in the 4th quarter against the Rams. Should have been a DTD on the Wilson fumble recovery, but whatever.

It will all come together. Skins will be compelling for years to come.

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1) QB,RG111 . 2) RB Morris ( both rookies ) .3) Strong WR/s and TE's . 4) Left Tackle T Williams . Strong play / depth at LB . I see us being a pro bowl type OL , and a top CB away from being one of the NFC's top teams . Many of the top qb's are nearing the end of their careers , we should have RG111 for another decade !!

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Great thread "C"! There really isn't much not to be optimistic about. We'll see better results the more Bob plays and I'm sure we'll see upgrades in our secondary and oline within the next year. The future looks bright my friend. Did I mention we lead the league in scoring? The Washington Redskins lead the league in scoring! Holy ****!!!

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[quote=budw38;945659]1) QB,RG111 . 2) RB Morris ( both rookies ) .3) Strong WR/s and TE's . 4) Left Tackle T Williams . Strong play / depth at LB . I see us being a pro bowl type OL , and a top CB away from being one of the NFC's top teams . Many of the top qb's are nearing the end of their careers , we should have RG111 for another decade !![/quote]

Not sure about the "strong" receiving corp but agree with every thing else. Most inspired; the O-line is inconsistent but our offense is very potent.

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I think the distinction between a strong or weak WR corps is the QB. We have a good QB who makes any decent WR look good if they run good routes. If anything, we have outstanding blocking WRs.

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IMO we have WR's that suit our system and that's what you need.

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I just read that Dezmon Briscoe is inactive today. They really need to start playing this guy. Briscoe is a red zone threat and can come up with jump balls in the end zone.

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^ Too bad he can't play DB, that's where we need help. We've been fine in the redzone on offense.