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I would add that we thought that Bernstine might be a contributor this season (not as a starter), but he went on IR right at the outset. So we have 3 safties who have been out all year, and 1 CB who has finally gotten on to the field only yesterday in Griffin. Few teams could weather the loss of 4 players in the secondary, and certainly not our team given that the secondary was not strong to begin with. I don't think it is time to panic here.

What I also find troubling is a lack of a pass rush. I know Orakpo and Carriker were really important to this effort, but we have virtually no push given QBs lots of time to work through progressions. We got a whopping 1 sack versys Eli yesterday, and very few pressures and hits. Granted, the Giants O-line has been better this year than expected (although why we didn't tee off Lockyear is beyond me), but we just cannot give folks that kind of time.

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[quote=punch it in;955568]Yes exactly he doesnt. He was out of position entirely is my point. Why? Why was he so far up in coverage. We could have called a timeout but im assuming Williams didnt take it upon himself to move so far up. He was exactly where the coaches wanted him to be on the field at that point. Williams should have been waaaaay back.


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Because he played to close. Haslett doesnt have anything to do with how close he played.

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[quote=jdc65;955365]In my opinion, Raheem Morris should be made the D coordinator at the break, barring a miraculous and unforeseen turnaround by the defense before then. While it clearly isn't all Haslett's fault, the overall defensive play has been unacceptable. 3 years now under Haslett and the D has gotten progressively worse. Someone needs to take a fall.

Morris has been disappointing as a secondary coach, but he does have a decent resume, and is the best qualified candidate on the team to take over on an interim basis. Give him the opportunity to coach half a season, and see if he can improve the defensive play.

The mindset of the defense just has to change, and I don't see how Haslett can reverse 3 years now of substandard production. It's clear from watching the games and comments made by departing players that the defensive schemes were, and are, a weakness.[/quote]

If you know Haslett isn't in the picture next season, there's no reason to keep him around beyond the bye week. Give Morris a shot and see what's what. However, I would let him run the 4-3 if he sees it the best fit for our personnel.

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[quote=The Goat;955594]If you know Haslett isn't in the picture next season, there's no reason to keep him around beyond the bye week. Give Morris a shot and see what's what. However, I would let him run the 4-3 if he sees it the best fit for our personnel.[/quote]

I don't think changing the entire defensive scheme in a week would be wise. I think that is something Bill Belichick could pull off.

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How many of you that are saying our secondary sucks were calling for use to let Carlos go? I never understood why we ran him out of town.

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lololol FD...Im gonna leave it alone

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[quote=SmootSmack;955566]I kind of gotta blame Williams for that. He's a veteran who got caught flat footed. I mean Jordan Pugh seemed to know exactly what he had to do. Wiliams got caught planted the other way and he doesn't have the speed to make up for it[/quote]


I think quite a few people are unhappy with the play of Williams this year. Is that why Dhall is getting more snaps at FS?....lol

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[quote=firstdown;955604]How many of you that are saying our secondary sucks were calling for use to let Carlos go? I never understood why we ran him out of town.[/quote]


We've already been over this 1,000 times. He ran himself out of town. The FO had a deal in place with Carlos, but he came back to them after realizing he was dead broke and wanted more money. They said no, he acted like a bitch and ended up with a whopping 1 year deal from San Fran at the tail end of Free Agency. This isn't the FO's fault one bit.

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[quote=NC_Skins;955615]I think quite a few people are unhappy with the play of Williams this year. Is that why Dhall is getting more snaps at FS?....lol[/quote]

Well, I think with Griffin back you can see Hall play some more FS but even this summer (when they had Jackson and Meriweather ready to go, along with Bernstine), Hall was getting looks at FS.

Much as people hate to hear, defense wants Hall on the field as much as possible. Whether it's lined up outside at CB, in the slot, or at FS.

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[quote=punch it in;955554]Somebody has to be blamed for allowing Williams to be so close to the line yesterday. I will go to my grave saying we should have played prevent. With Eli Manning and our secondary in crunch time I absolutely would have played to hold them to a fg and OT there. Eli was missing some short passes yesterday and a fg can always be missed too. We stay in prevent and the worst case scenario is OT. Best is Eli misses or throws a pick or they miss a FG or they simply dont get into FG range - especially with Nicks playing hurt. To let Cruz run strait up the middle of the field in what we knew was a pass situation is just ridiculous.


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Hey, we took Bellichek's idea of letting them score as fast as possible to a whole new extreme, and minus a fumble we still might have gotten the last score in. It's all perspective!

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[quote=SmootSmack;955566]I kind of gotta blame Williams for that. He's a veteran who got caught flat footed. I mean Jordan Pugh seemed to know exactly what he had to do. Wiliams got caught planted the other way and he doesn't have the speed to make up for it[/quote]

I think that too. In that situation you just can't let a receiver get behind you so easily. Williams should have been taking a step or two back from the get-go.

But shouldn't a coach (like Haslett) be ensuring that everyone is doing that?

[QUOTE=Lotus;955631]I think that too. In that situation you just can't let a receiver get behind you so easily. Williams should have been taking a step or two back from the get-go.

But shouldn't a coach (like Haslett) be ensuring that everyone is doing that?[/QUOTE]

No according to alot of people here the DC has absolutely nothing to do with a players position on the field or which way he runs or moved or anything. It is not something they practice or watch film on or ever even talk about alittle bit. Lol.


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Sometimes players just F up. Why is that so crazy of a concept?

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/44679/haslett-not-the-problem-with-redskins-d]Haslett not the problem with Redskins' D - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

What the coaching staff did not do is actually go out and cover the receivers themselves. And unfortunately for them, neither did the defensive backs assigned to Cruz. Cornerback Josh Wilson let Cruz get behind him, which he never should have done at that spot on the field. And safety Madieu Williams, astoundingly, did the same. So when Manning's pass found Cruz, the only hope either Redskin had was to catch him. And there was no chance of that happening.

So to those calling for the firing of defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, I pose this question: Who do you propose as his replacement, and would that person somehow be able to make Madieu Williams a better NFL safety?

Of course he wouldn't.

The Redskins' secondary is a wreck. The two players they hoped would start for them at safety haven't played a single snap this season. Tanard Jackson got hit with a season-long drug suspension on cutdown day, and Brandon Meriweather has suffered through a series of injuries that have delayed his Redskins debut until some time in the future. That means their best safety is Williams, who's a really good guy and gets the defense but doesn't have the physical skills at this point in his career to actually play it. The rest of the safety crew is Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes and Jordan Pugh. What this means is, when you call for double coverage at the end of a game like this and you're assigning a safety as part of that against one of the best receivers in the league, you're not working with top-level options.

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[quote=punch it in;955678]No according to alot of people here the DC has absolutely nothing to do with a players position on the field or which way he runs or moved or anything. It is not something they practice or watch film on or ever even talk about alittle bit. Lol.


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DC call the defense. You can position anyway you like.. You wanna fake like you are blitzing to show a different look? You cover the way you are comfortable. As long as you are in position when the ball is snapped.

I'm sure Haslett would of liked to be out there and moving Williams around by the hips.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;955679]Sometimes players just F up. Why is that so crazy of a concept?[/QUOTE]

This was not a fumble or a int or something that a coach really cant help. This was a player who was completely out of position from the get go - it stinks of poor practice/ coaching.


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[quote=Mattyk;955679]Sometimes players just F up. Why is that so crazy of a concept?[/quote]

It seems like people think we have Ed Reed and Polamalu back there. We have basically scrubs back there playing safety. I'm not giving M. Williams a pass, because he f'ed up big time. But I don't think Haslett OR Morris is responsible for that last play of the game.

[QUOTE=Bucket;955682]DC call the defense. You can position anyway you like.. You wanna fake like you are blitzing to show a different look? You cover the way you are comfortable. As long as you are in position when the ball is snapped.

I'm sure Haslett would of liked to be out there and moving Williams around by the hips.[/QUOTE]

Why the hell would a safetey even think about blitzing in an obvious passing down when there is one minute left and the only thing you cant do is get beat long? Oh wait - because hasletts blitz schemes are usually called at the most in opportune times of a game. He must have been used to it. Haz always has stunk as a dc and always will. Dont base your opinion on what i say look at his track record. Its all public knowledge. Im totally done arguing about whether haz is the rite man for the job. This is insane. If we fired his ass today he would never get another job in the nfl again. That should tell u sonething.


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[quote=punch it in;955683]This was not a fumble or a int or something that a coach really cant help. This was a player who was completely out of position from the get go - it stinks of poor practice/ coaching.


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Meh, it stinks of a player who blew his assignment to me.

The coaches aren't on the sidelines with xbox controllers moving guys around.

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To be honest it looked like the D backs thought Cruz was going to cut to make 1st down then he just ran by them.

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[quote=Bucket;955681][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/44679/haslett-not-the-problem-with-redskins-d]Haslett not the problem with Redskins' D - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

What the coaching staff did not do is actually go out and cover the receivers themselves. And unfortunately for them, neither did the defensive backs assigned to Cruz. Cornerback Josh Wilson let Cruz get behind him, which he never should have done at that spot on the field. And safety Madieu Williams, astoundingly, did the same. So when Manning's pass found Cruz, the only hope either Redskin had was to catch him. And there was no chance of that happening.

So to those calling for the firing of defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, I pose this question: Who do you propose as his replacement, and would that person somehow be able to make Madieu Williams a better NFL safety?

Of course he wouldn't.

The Redskins' secondary is a wreck. The two players they hoped would start for them at safety haven't played a single snap this season. Tanard Jackson got hit with a season-long drug suspension on cutdown day, and Brandon Meriweather has suffered through a series of injuries that have delayed his Redskins debut until some time in the future. That means their best safety is Williams, who's a really good guy and gets the defense but doesn't have the physical skills at this point in his career to actually play it. The rest of the safety crew is Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes and Jordan Pugh. What this means is, when you call for double coverage at the end of a game like this and you're assigning a safety as part of that against one of the best receivers in the league, you're not working with top-level options.[/quote]

Graziano wrote it perfectly

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[quote=Mattyk;955695]Meh, it stinks of a player who blew his assignment to me.

The coaches aren't on the sidelines with xbox controllers moving guys around.[/quote]


When a coach calls for a double cover on one guy and that guy beat both players, it's not on the coach...lol Haslett made the right call, the execution failed horribly which is why I think we'll be seeing less and less of Williams and more Dhall at FS.

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[quote=Bucket;955681][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/44679/haslett-not-the-problem-with-redskins-d]Haslett not the problem with Redskins' D - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

What the coaching staff did not do is actually go out and cover the receivers themselves. And unfortunately for them, neither did the defensive backs assigned to Cruz. Cornerback Josh Wilson let Cruz get behind him, which he never should have done at that spot on the field. And safety Madieu Williams, astoundingly, did the same. So when Manning's pass found Cruz, the only hope either Redskin had was to catch him. And there was no chance of that happening.

So to those calling for the firing of defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, I pose this question: Who do you propose as his replacement, and would that person somehow be able to make Madieu Williams a better NFL safety?

Of course he wouldn't.

The Redskins' secondary is a wreck. The two players they hoped would start for them at safety haven't played a single snap this season. Tanard Jackson got hit with a season-long drug suspension on cutdown day, and Brandon Meriweather has suffered through a series of injuries that have delayed his Redskins debut until some time in the future. That means their best safety is Williams, who's a really good guy and gets the defense but doesn't have the physical skills at this point in his career to actually play it. The rest of the safety crew is Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes and Jordan Pugh. What this means is, when you call for double coverage at the end of a game like this and you're assigning a safety as part of that against one of the best receivers in the league, you're not working with top-level options.[/quote]

Couldn't agree more. Haslett was handed turds and asked to turn them into gold. Not gonna happen with any DC.

It's the same thing with Kyle S. last year being asked to run an offense with Grossman and Beck. I mean, c'mon. This year he's given a top QB and the results are there. Doesn't take a genius to see talent makes the scheme go.

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My main issue w/ Haslett is he's always giving wr's cushions in the red zone. He ALWAYS does this. Why? Less field to defend, jam the wr's and make them work to get open because there's less field to defend. We always let wr's release off the line in the red zone. Makes no sense. Cruz was wide open on one in the end zone and Eli flat out missed an easy throw.

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[quote=punch it in;955686]Why the hell would a safetey even think about blitzing in an obvious passing down when there is one minute left and the only thing you cant do is get beat long? Oh wait - because hasletts blitz schemes are usually called at the most in opportune times of a game. He must have been used to it. Haz always has stunk as a dc and always will. Dont base your opinion on what i say look at his track record. Its all public knowledge. Im totally done arguing about whether haz is the rite man for the job. This is insane. If we fired his ass today he would never get another job in the nfl again. That should tell u sonething.


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They gave a Quarter look, but were playing for the option route. The Giants actually ran an option route..

It was a great call, just piss poor execution.

You take what I say out of context. I'm not saying he should of showed blitz. I'm saying that the alignment means everything when confusing defenses, and if you are showing your hand before the cards are played.. Well, you might as well fold.

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[quote=Bucket;955681][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/44679/haslett-not-the-problem-with-redskins-d]Haslett not the problem with Redskins' D - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

What the coaching staff did not do is actually go out and cover the receivers themselves. And unfortunately for them, neither did the defensive backs assigned to Cruz. Cornerback Josh Wilson let Cruz get behind him, which he never should have done at that spot on the field. And safety Madieu Williams, astoundingly, did the same. So when Manning's pass found Cruz, the only hope either Redskin had was to catch him. And there was no chance of that happening.

So to those calling for the firing of defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, I pose this question: Who do you propose as his replacement, and would that person somehow be able to make Madieu Williams a better NFL safety?

Of course he wouldn't.

The Redskins' secondary is a wreck. The two players they hoped would start for them at safety haven't played a single snap this season. Tanard Jackson got hit with a season-long drug suspension on cutdown day, and Brandon Meriweather has suffered through a series of injuries that have delayed his Redskins debut until some time in the future. That means their best safety is Williams, who's a really good guy and gets the defense but doesn't have the physical skills at this point in his career to actually play it. The rest of the safety crew is Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes and Jordan Pugh. What this means is, when you call for double coverage at the end of a game like this and you're assigning a safety as part of that against one of the best receivers in the league, you're not working with top-level options.[/quote]

I completely concur. But I still say Raheem Morris is at fault. The Redskins need a faster and quicker and YOUNGER FS back there roaming the field

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;955731][B]I completely concur. But I still say Raheem Morris is at fault.[/B] The Redskins need a faster and quicker and YOUNGER FS back there roaming the field[/quote]

its been a crazy day on this board

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Raheem Morris: General Manager

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[quote=Mattyk;955305]As usual some people put way too much stock in coaching and stuff like play calling.

Talent wins you games in this league. We don't have enough of it in the secondary right now.[/quote]

Agreed. I'd go further than we don't have enough talent to we don't have any talent in the secondary. None of our starters would be starters on a good defense. (Maybe Josh Wilson as a # 2). I mean Victor Cruz just ran straight and got past 2 guys, with Williams literally just staring at him as he ran by. Williams also annoys me because he never plays the ball, always tries for the big hit. There was a play in the game where Manning fired a ball that zipped by Williams but Williams was running at the receiver full speed to try and blow him up. Williams has to go! Rather have Gomes play the rest of the year and see if he can improve or if he also needs to be replaced next year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;955735]Raheem Morris: General Manager[/quote]

You are having to much fun today with Raheem's future. lol

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[quote=SmootSmack;955735]Raheem Morris: General Manager[/quote]

Raheem Morris: Co-Owner

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;955741]Agreed. I'd go further than we don't have enough talent to we don't have any talent in the secondary. None of our starters would be starters on a good defense. (Maybe Josh Wilson as a # 2). I mean Victor Cruz just ran straight and got past 2 guys, with Williams literally just staring at him as he ran by. Williams also annoys me because he never plays the ball, always tries for the big hit. There was a play in the game where Manning fired a ball that zipped by Williams but Williams was running at the receiver full speed to try and blow him up. Williams has to go! Rather have Gomes play the rest of the year and see if he can improve or if he also needs to be replaced next year.[/quote]

I think Gomes time has passed. He had his chances and didn't get it done. Hopefully Merriweather gets in the game and stabilizes a bad situation.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;955749]I think Gomes time has passed. He had his chances and didn't get it done. Hopefully Merriweather gets in the game and stabilizes a bad situation.[/quote]

I think that is most likely accurate. But we know for SURE that Williams time has passed. I'd rather let the younger guy play out the year and see if there is any improvement, like as in can he stick on the team next year as a backup/depth guy, or does he also need to be off the team. I'd like to see Meriweather, hopefully when he comes back he skips warmups. No accidents.

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More like Raheem Morris: Bionic Scientist Assitant to Jim Haslett: Creater of Cyberdine Industries

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;955751]I think that is most likely accurate. But we know for SURE that Williams time has passed. I'd rather let the younger guy play out the year and see if there is any improvement, like as in can he stick on the team next year as a backup/depth guy, or does he also need to be off the team. I'd like to see Meriweather, hopefully when he comes back he skips warmups. No accidents.[/quote]

I hope the scouting department is already looking. I like the free safety from Pitt named Kwan Williams. Sean Taylor/Ed Reed type that stalks the football. Williams would certainly be an upgrade over the Williams we already have.

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I think the single biggest problem with the passing defense is that Haslett is too predictable. Both Bradford and Dalton had expressed anticipation for attacking any defense that Haslett showed and welcomed the blitze packages that he called. The Giants also were prepared, according to an ESPN breakdown, of the alignment with Cruz in the slot to make it an automatic Go route because Madieu(FS) would take the out and Wilson(CB) the dig. It was a no brainer before the snap.

So while players make the plays or not, the opposition also gameplans the coordinators for situational tendencies. This doesn't absolve the defenders because they know they have to make the adjustments, but it sure seems easier for the opponent when they know what's coming.

Haslett's defenses have consistantly ranked in the bottom half of the league, and typically the longer he stays, the worse his team gets. It's obvious to me that a change is needed, and the sooner the better, before the season completely slips away.

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[quote=jdc65;955863]I think the single biggest problem with the passing defense is that Haslett is too predictable. Both Bradford and Dalton had expressed anticipation for attacking any defense that Haslett showed and welcomed the blitze packages that he called. The Giants also were prepared, according to an ESPN breakdown, of the alignment with Cruz in the slot to make it an automatic Go route because Madieu(FS) would take the out and Wilson(CB) the dig. It was a no brainer before the snap.

So while players make the plays or not, the opposition also gameplans the coordinators for situational tendencies. This doesn't absolve the defenders because they know they have to make the adjustments, but it sure seems easier for the opponent when they know what's coming.

Haslett's defenses have consistantly ranked in the bottom half of the league, and typically the longer he stays, the worse his team gets. It's obvious to me that a change is needed, and the sooner the better, before the season completely slips away.[/quote]

Another solid post jdc. There's no doubt Eli to Cruz is one of the better pairs in pro football. Who's to say Williams would have made the play had he been positioned correctly before the snap? At least he'd have the chance...

But it was the offense that really lost this game. What comes next there?

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Two words, laron landry

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[quote=The Goat;955866]Another solid post jdc. There's no doubt Eli to Cruz is one of the better pairs in pro football. Who's to say Williams would have made the play had he been positioned correctly before the snap? At least he'd have the chance...

But it was the offense that really lost this game. What comes next there?[/quote]

I have come to the conclusion that you are the worse poster here.

The setup before the snap was a organized double team to anticipate the option route. The Giants ran the option route, and the play call for the defense was perfect. If you watch the play.. Williams was stoned and his feet flat. So Cruz ran right by him..

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How did the offense lose the game? lol