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[quote=CultBrennan59;974932]Very funny

Good comparison though with Tyrann and Dennard. The only difference is Dennard had the NFL size, and he could cover better in man coverage. Watch Tyranns tape, he does play way off in man coverage and gets picked on when in clear man coverage more than when he's in zone coverage.


Also Kniles Davis the RB for Arkansas declared today and ..
[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFPS-Top-200-Draft-Prospects-5904.html?sct=hp_t2_a4]NFP's Top 200 Draft Prospects | National Football Post[/url]

EDIT

Also add
DJ Fluker RT Alabama
Giovanni Bernard RB UNC
Eddie Lacy RB Alabama
Da'Rick Rodgers WR (ex-Tennessee; Tennessee St)
Brandon Jenkins OLB/DE FSU

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1440621-2013-nfl-draft-tracking-which-underclassmen-are-declaring-for-the-draft]2013 NFL Draft: Tracking Which Underclassmen Are Declaring for the Draft | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]

I dont get why this FO gambles on T Jax and not picking Dennard say in the 6th? Whats the bigger risk, a 6th round pick or investing in a guy as a starter with a clear history? Stupidty abounds in that decision.

Well the comparison was more about the circumstances, but I agree Honey Badger isnt worth a shit in coverage. He's garbage man to man, look at last years national championship, Alabama pick on him the entire game. You only get the Badger to play SS, you pass on him at CB.

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[quote=Chico23231;975034]I dont get why this FO gambles on T Jax and not picking Dennard say in the 6th? Whats the bigger risk, a 6th round pick or investing in a guy as a starter with a clear history? Stupidty abounds in that decision.

Well the comparison was more about the circumstances, but I agree Honey Badger isnt worth a shit in coverage. He's garbage man to man, look at last years national championship, Alabama pick on him the entire game. You only get the Badger to play SS, you pass on him at CB.[/quote]

I feel like we could use him in that Charles Woodson role of not safety and not CB, but just all over the field in different types of zone coverage and blitzing (woodson also does man to man, you just take tyrann out of that)

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[quote=Chico23231;975034]I dont get why this FO gambles on T Jax and not picking Dennard say in the 6th? Whats the bigger risk, a 6th round pick or investing in a guy as a starter with a clear history? Stupidty abounds in that decision.

Well the comparison was more about the circumstances, but I agree Honey Badger isnt worth a shit in coverage. He's garbage man to man, look at last years national championship, Alabama pick on him the entire game. You only get the Badger to play SS, you pass on him at CB.[/quote]


Because that would mean there would be no AlMo.

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1447273-three-2013-nfl-draft-prospects-guaranteed-to-interest-redskins]Three 2013 NFL Draft Prospects Guaranteed to Interest Redskins | Bleacher Report[/url]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;977137][url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1447273-three-2013-nfl-draft-prospects-guaranteed-to-interest-redskins]Three 2013 NFL Draft Prospects Guaranteed to Interest Redskins | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]
Don't think we need Cooper. Fluker is not even a good pass blocker. But he can be dominant in the run game. I actually think if he can lose 15-20 pounds he could improve his pass pro skills. Man the draft can go all types of ways. I think Mike is going to try and take care most of our weeknesses in FA. Then can go BPA in the draft. If someone comes calling for Kirk like the Jets and offers Darrell Revis and a 2nd. I think he accepts that deal. Stretch CB off our list. If we resign TJax and Brandon Merriweather comes back healthy then Safety isnt all that of an weakness we probably should still draft one though. Compton can showout with the time he is about to get and make Starting RT not a need no more. Even though we should keep Polumbus and draft a Tackle capable of playing both sides.

If those things happen before draft we can be looking at the draft with a strategy of drafting BPA.

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[quote=GWinSkins83;977340]Don't think we need Cooper. Fluker is not even a good pass blocker. But he can be dominant in the run game. I actually think if he can lose 15-20 pounds he could improve his pass pro skills. Man the draft can go all types of ways. I think Mike is going to try and take care most of our weeknesses in FA. Then can go BPA in the draft. If someone comes calling for Kirk like the Jets and offers Darrell Revis and a 2nd. I think he accepts that deal. Stretch CB off our list. [B]If we resign TJax [/B]and Brandon Merriweather comes back healthy then Safety isnt all that of an weakness we probably should still draft one though. Compton can showout with the time he is about to get and make Starting RT not a need no more. Even though we should keep Polumbus and draft a Tackle capable of playing both sides.

If those things happen before draft we can be looking at the draft with a strategy of drafting BPA.[/quote]

Why? He can't get clean...

Also more prospects declare...
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/18/receivers-justin-hunter-stedman-bailey-declare-for-nfl-draft/]Receivers Justin Hunter, Stedman Bailey declare for NFL draft | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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Adding Robert, our rookie and young crop of talent doing good will serve us well in the upcoming FA year. That combined with the success of the team this year and our coaching staff, players will be more inclined to....WANT to come here to play other than just the allure of a potential big pay day.
It's Great fun to be SKINS fan when things are being done the right way.
HTTR!

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[quote=CultBrennan59;977448]Why? He can't get clean...

Also more prospects declare...
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/18/receivers-justin-hunter-stedman-bailey-declare-for-nfl-draft/]Receivers Justin Hunter, Stedman Bailey declare for NFL draft | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]I really like both Hunter and Bailey a lot. The Redskins don't need another receiver though.

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I been hearing alot about a couple corners in the Pac 10- Trufant(Washington?) and Poyer(Oregon)....Havent seen either play, they got any talent?

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Don't underestimate how versatile badger is. No one would be drafting him to play mainly man up cb.

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[quote=GWinSkins83;977340]Don't think we need Cooper. Fluker is not even a good pass blocker. But he can be dominant in the run game. I actually think if he can lose 15-20 pounds he could improve his pass pro skills. Man the draft can go all types of ways. I think Mike is going to try and take care most of our weeknesses in FA. Then can go BPA in the draft. If someone comes calling for Kirk like the Jets and offers Darrell Revis and a 2nd. I think he accepts that deal. Stretch CB off our list. If we resign TJax and Brandon Merriweather comes back healthy then Safety isnt all that of an weakness we probably should still draft one though. Compton can showout with the time he is about to get and make Starting RT not a need no more. Even though we should keep Polumbus and draft a Tackle capable of playing both sides.

If those things happen before draft we can be looking at the draft with a strategy of drafting BPA.[/quote]

I wouldn't expect a lot from free agency this offseason, the cap space they project to have right now is going to some of their own players.

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[quote=Chico23231;979988]I been hearing alot about a couple corners in the Pac 10- Trufant(Washington?) and Poyer(Oregon)....Havent seen either play, they got any talent?[/quote]

Poyer was an all American by some media outlets this year and was a 4 year starter I believe. He is solid nothing flashy or amazing but good. Think of him kinda like a Corey Webster.

Trufant is probably the best CB you haven't heard of. Good CB the best defender on Washingtons defense. He went up against the likes of Robert woods, marquis Wilson, and other good WRs and faired very well. He wasn't thrown at that much this season. A few weeks ago he was a 3-5 rounder. Now he's a 2-3 rounder. Oh and his brother plays for the Seahawks, Marcus trufant.

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So far Kyle Van Noy the do it all LB for BYU has been the most impressive bowl prospect, with only two others players doing good in all the bowl games ive seen. Those teo players are ziggy ansah the OLB/DE for BYU ( not as impressive as Van Noy) and Margus Hunt the DE for SMU ( shanahan probably knows a lot about him since he loves SMU players) played like JJ Watt tonight with 3 sacks a couple TFLs and a safety. Add that to his 4.6 speed and his 17 career blocked kicks. I watched his highlights which weren't impressive, but after seeing his game today I got to say he looks a lot better (he is very raw considering he's only been playing football for 4 years).

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would love to see Margus Hunt become a Redskin, reminds me of the Mad Stork.

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So I thought I'd update this thread.

Our win last night puts us in the playoffs which means come April the absolute lowest we would be picking is 21st, which in the second round would be 54th. (Obviously the further we go in the playoffs, the lower we pick)

Since we won't be playing for another 6 days, there will be plenty of college football bowl games to watch. Here are some guys to keep your eyes on while enjoying the games.

NC State Vandy

David Amerson CB NC State

USC GT

Robert Woods WR USC
Nickell Robey CB USC
TJ McDonald FS USC
Khaled Holmes C USC

LSU Clemson
Tharold Simon CB LSU
Eric Reid FS LSU
Kevin Minter ILB LSU
Brackvious Mingo OLB LSU
Sam Montgomery OLB LSU
Andre Ellington RB Clemson
DeAndre Hopkins WR Clemson
Dalton Freeman C Clemson

Also

Demontre Moore OLB for Texas A&M declared
Kyle Van Noy LB for BYU is staying in school
Jarvis Jenkins of Georgia supposedly has a spinal condition that could keep him out of the first round

And guys from previous bowl games that caught my eye

Connor Vernon WR Duke --looks like a young Stokley
Travis Kelce TE Cincy--his brother plays center for the eagles; He has his brothers size and Jason Witten speed.
Stedman Bailey and Tavon Austin WRs WVU--unlikely we get Austin, but maybe we could get Bailey
Justin Pugh OT Syracuse--underrated blocker
Terrence Williams WR Baylor--RG3's favorite target at Baylor
Nick Florence QB Baylor -- RG3s backup at Baylor; Why not be a backup in Washington?
Logan Ryan CB Rutgers--very good CB
Khaseem Greene LB Rutgers--do it all LB, reminds me of Bowman, was Big East DPOY
Antone Exum CB VT--Tall rangy CB who can cover well and hit; could be a FS.
Kenny Vaccaro S Texas--FS or SS
Alex Okafor OLB Texas--he can get to the passer; had 4.5 sacks in alamo bowl.
Jordan Poyer CB Oregon St-- solid CB with good cover skills and return skills. Tough.
Jason Verrett CB TCU--All American CB who can cover, needs to get bigger.
Josh Boyce WR TCU--physical WR, plays like Hakeem Nicks

I hope we have a great draft next year as well. Schedule looks tough.



2013 games,

Home: Cowboys, New York Giants, Philadelphia Eagles, Chicago Bears, Detroit Lions, San Francisco 49ers, Kansas City Chiefs and San Diego Chargers.

Away: Denver Broncos, Minnesota Vikings, Atlanta Falcons, Oakland Raiders, Green Bay Packers and at Dallas, Philadelphia and New York.

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[quote=Gtothearry;982456]I hope we have a great draft next year as well. Schedule looks tough.



2013 games,

Home: Cowboys, New York Giants, Philadelphia Eagles, Chicago Bears, Detroit Lions, San Francisco 49ers, Kansas City Chiefs and San Diego Chargers.

Away: Denver Broncos, Minnesota Vikings, Atlanta Falcons, Oakland Raiders, Green Bay Packers and at Dallas, Philadelphia and New York.[/quote]

Home games don't look too tough, but those away games yeeeshh! At least there's Oakland.

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[quote=Gtothearry;982456]I hope we have a great draft next year as well. Schedule looks tough.



2013 games,

Home: Cowboys, New York Giants, Philadelphia Eagles, Chicago Bears, Detroit Lions, San Francisco 49ers, Kansas City Chiefs and San Diego Chargers.

Away: Denver Broncos, Minnesota Vikings, Atlanta Falcons, Oakland Raiders, Green Bay Packers and at Dallas, Philadelphia and New York.[/quote]

No more last place schedules - a curse with which I am willing to live.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;982472]No more last place schedules - a curse with which I am willing to live.[/quote]

Wow, this will be the first time in FOREVER, that we haven't played the Rams.

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Not even worried about that schedule. We will be a better team then this year. And its going to be a lot of motivation vs Broncos. Mike's old team and what Von Miller said about RG3.

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Can we lock this thread until we are out of the playoffs? No need to discuss until then.

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[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/rob-rang/21474615/updated-2013-nfl-draft-order]2013 NFL Draft order set - CBSSports.com[/url]

We picked a good year not to have a first round pick, probably one of the worst for skill players. The safety positions and DL(3-4 OLBs too) are really deep this year. Sneaky deep position is RB, there gonna be some solid ones coming out.

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[quote=Gtothearry;982456]I hope we have a great draft next year as well. Schedule looks tough.



2013 games,

Home: Cowboys, New York Giants, Philadelphia Eagles, Chicago Bears, Detroit Lions, San Francisco 49ers, Kansas City Chiefs and San Diego Chargers.

Away: Denver Broncos, Minnesota Vikings, Atlanta Falcons, Oakland Raiders, Green Bay Packers and at Dallas, Philadelphia and New York.[/quote]
12-4 should win the NFC EAST ..... AGAIN :)

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/8808685/sharrif-floyd-matt-elam-florida-gators-enter-nfl-draft]Sharrif Floyd, Matt Elam of Florida Gators to enter NFL draft - ESPN[/url]

Elam, and Floyd both declared for the draft.

Elam was an all american safety and played great at Florida. Hopefully he will drop to us in the second round (unlikely but possible).

Jordan Reed is indecisive about returning or staying, seems more likely to stay

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my early list of best possible draft

2nd round: CB, a. Trufant or b. Poyer
3rd: FS, Tony Jefferson
4: Tackle, Rick Wagner
5: ILB, Kevin Riddick
6: SS/KR/PR Honey Badger
7: RB, Shanny Special

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Not a great year to have the number 1 pick, kinda like the pick the Wizards always get.

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Great to hear that Elam is declaring; hopefully he can fall to us, but unlikely.

A couple of names to watch for tonights game:

Oregon:

Kenyon Barner RB--he's that fast back we need

Kyle Long OL--Son of Howie Long. Big, athletic, rangy OG/OT; could be our RT next year.

Kansas State:

Arthur Brown LB--he can cover, hit, tackle, make plays left and right. Some have mentioned him to a smaller Ray Lewis

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Long looked good vs KSU, still has some character issues, commitment issues, and would not be an immediate starter but at 6'7 311 lbs, and as athletic as he is, would seem to be a perfict fit for the Shanahan run game. Brown did not jump out during the game, did not seem to make many plays/tackles.

Logan Ryan CB from Rutgers - projected to go second round, 6-0 190 lbs, good in zone and man, very few weaknesses, not amazing in any specific area but is good at everything.

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[url=http://tracking.si.com/2013/01/07/florida-jelani-jenkins-to-declare-for-nfl-draft/?sct=hp_t2_a11&eref=sihp]Report: Florida linebacker Jelani Jenkins to declare for NFL Draft | SI Tracking Blog – Tracking MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, and NCAA On Twitter[/url]

interesting choice

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If RG3 is out next year, would you, if you were the GM, consider drafting another late round QB? Or just go in next year with cousins and Rex?

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[quote=mbedner3420;985890]If RG3 is out next year, would you, if you were the GM, consider drafting another late round QB? Or just go in next year with cousins and Rex?[/quote]always consider every option, happy to go into next season w kirk and rex

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rex is fine as a #2 QB. i'm happy with KC as our #1 if we have to wait on RGIII.

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[quote=Gtothearry;982456]I hope we have a great draft next year as well. Schedule looks tough.



2013 games,

Home: Cowboys, New York Giants, Philadelphia Eagles, Chicago Bears, Detroit Lions, San Francisco 49ers, Kansas City Chiefs and San Diego Chargers.

Away: Denver Broncos, Minnesota Vikings, Atlanta Falcons, Oakland Raiders, Green Bay Packers and at Dallas, Philadelphia and New York.[/quote]

If it looks tough in the offseason it means it's probably going to suck when the season roles on.

Bama is rolling

[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;986121]If it looks tough in the offseason it means it's probably going to suck when the season roles on.[/QUOTE]

The NFL schedule means very little honestly, teams change so much year in and out. Who would have thought we would be a tough team to play this year?

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SFRedskin, I have some sad news for you: Your boy Shanye Skov is returning to Stanford after he was granted a 5th year of eligibility.

Also name an LSU star player or defensive starter, and chances are they're leaving to go pro. Its ridiculous how many of them are leaving (lots of Pass Rush specialists and secondary guys). There is a chance that we could get Eric Reid (FS; late 1st/2nd), Tharold Simon (CB 3rd-5th) and Tyrann Mathieu (NB; 4th-6th) in one draft

As for this disgusting beatdown Alabama is putting on Notre Dame:

Bama has Barrett Jones who can play every position but LT on the OL; He'll go late first 2nd round range.

Robert Lester the SS for Bama is good, but not great like he was last year. He'll be there for us at 54.

Jesse Williams the NT is a 2nd round possibility for us, he could be there for us.

CJ Mosley is the next Bowman IMO, he won't declare according to earlier reports but you never know.

For ND, Nix is a beast NT, but he's coming back. Braxston Cave the Center is great, but really don't need him.

Eifert is the guy I'd get, but he's a fringe late 1st early 2nd guy, so most likely we won't get him.

Kapron Lewis-Moore is a good depth 3-4 DE, but he most likely just tore his ACL, so I wouldn't draft him now. (as awful as Te'o played tonight, he's still going 1st round)

In the previous couple of games Kent St has a very underrated tackle Brian Winters who projects very well to the RT spot according to draft analysts.

Kyle Long of Oregon is raw, but he has NFL bloodlines, size and can be coached up. He was a guard at Oregon, he could be a RT that could pan out real well in the NFL.

Barner is that speedy back that we need to complement Alfred.

Arthur Brown is a name to keep an eye on. As we're noticing in the NFL, the QBs are running and running fast. These are the common LBs that are good at containing QBs.

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Man if we can get that Cap back. NFL watch out! The draft can go anyway. I also believe RG3 won't miss next year either. From what I can tell is he has partial tears. And I'm telling you this right now I see Talib and Ryan Clady being on this team next year.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;986180]SFRedskin, I have some sad news for you: Your boy Shanye Skov is returning to Stanford after he was granted a 5th year of eligibility.

Also name an LSU star player or defensive starter, and chances are they're leaving to go pro. Its ridiculous how many of them are leaving (lots of Pass Rush specialists and secondary guys). There is a chance that we could get Eric Reid (FS; late 1st/2nd), Tharold Simon (CB 3rd-5th) and Tyrann Mathieu (NB; 4th-6th) in one draft

As for this disgusting beatdown Alabama is putting on Notre Dame:

Bama has Barrett Jones who can play every position but LT on the OL; He'll go late first 2nd round range.

Robert Lester the SS for Bama is good, but not great like he was last year. He'll be there for us at 54.

Jesse Williams the NT is a 2nd round possibility for us, he could be there for us.

CJ Mosley is the next Bowman IMO, he won't declare according to earlier reports but you never know.

For ND, Nix is a beast NT, but he's coming back. Braxston Cave the Center is great, but really don't need him.

Eifert is the guy I'd get, but he's a fringe late 1st early 2nd guy, so most likely we won't get him.

Kapron Lewis-Moore is a good depth 3-4 DE, but he most likely just tore his ACL, so I wouldn't draft him now. (as awful as Te'o played tonight, he's still going 1st round)

In the previous couple of games Kent St has a very underrated tackle Brian Winters who projects very well to the RT spot according to draft analysts.

Kyle Long of Oregon is raw, but he has NFL bloodlines, size and can be coached up. He was a guard at Oregon, he could be a RT that could pan out real well in the NFL.

Barner is that speedy back that we need to complement Alfred.

Arthur Brown is a name to keep an eye on. As we're noticing in the NFL, the QBs are running and running fast. These are the common LBs that are good at containing QBs.[/quote]

Robert Lester is not good or great, he is a fringe 4th round pick imo. In the year of safety, think he is a little bit overrated. I think better safety prospects around the same grade are DJ Swearinger at South Carolina and Bacarri Rambo.

What do you think of Zeke Motta last night? I think he is too slow in coverage but a decent mid round pick.

When speaking of Safetys, Eric Reid and Matt Elam get all the headlines, but the better players may be outta of the Big 12, Tony Jefferson and Kenny Vaccaro.

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[quote=Chico23231;986215]Robert Lester is not good or great, he is a fringe 4th round pick imo. In the year of safety, think he is a little bit overrated. I think better safety prospects around the same grade are DJ Swearinger at South Carolina and Bacarri Rambo.

What do you think of Zeke Motta last night? I think he is too slow in coverage but a decent mid round pick.

When speaking of Safetys, Eric Reid and Matt Elam get all the headlines, but the better players may be outta of the Big 12, Tony Jefferson and Kenny Vaccaro.[/quote]

The Notre Dame Secondary was considered the weakness of the defense, and especially after last nate, Motta allowed Bama receivers to get by him all too often. Good open field tackler but has a lot of coverage flaws from what I saw. Only seen Notre Dame play 3 or 4 times though so I am not sure how he did in other games.

Tony Jefferson is going to be a good safety, but never jumped out, the WVU game he got abused but WVU does have Austin and Bailey... but those are the type of receivers he will be going against every week in the NFL. Vaccaro did poorly against OSU, Oklahoma and WVU.

Elam and Reid are the two safeties that every time I watched those teams played just jumped out. Especially Elam. He was all over the place in almost every game. But scouts have more knowledge on technique and ability and they state Vaccaro is the number one safety in this draft.

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Eifert just went pro. No surprise. Really the only Notre Dame player that played good last night.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;986180]SFRedskin,

Bama has Barrett Jones who can play every position but LT on the OL; He'll go late first 2nd round range.

In the previous couple of games Kent St has a very underrated tackle Brian Winters who projects very well to the RT spot according to draft analysts.

Kyle Long of Oregon is raw, but he has NFL bloodlines, size and can be coached up. He was a guard at Oregon, he could be a RT that could pan out real well in the NFL.

Barner is that speedy back that we need to complement Alfred.
[/quote]

Barret Jones is a beast. Had a good game creating holes while injured last night against probably the best NT in college football if not one of the best, did a great job against Te'o as well getting to the second level.

Winters and Pugh are both supposed to be very good tackles for the next level. Good draft if you are in need of a tackle. Kyle Long does a good job sealing looked good all year and obviously can keep himself in great job running that offense.

Barner is not really a vision cutback runner like Morris is, not sure how we would fit in Shanahan's running offense seeing as how seeing cutback lanes are essential and Barner at 195 lbs would have to take on linebackers when he cutbacks don't see that happening consistently.