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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;967866]Is there not going to be a draft or free agency next year?[/quote]

Yeah, but we are still screwed with Cap Adjustments, and to fix the other major issues as well we may simply run out of money... It'll be nice to have non-league adjusted funds in 2014.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;967866]Is there not going to be a draft or free agency next year?[/quote]

I think it's funny when people say we need to draft for depth and then seemingly forget about the young depth we currently have. But I suppose we'll just cast Gettis, LeRibeus, Compton, even Hurt aside and expect instant depth from the rookies next year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;967871]I think it's funny when people say we need to draft for depth and then seemingly forget about the young depth we currently have. But I suppose we'll just cast Gettis, LeRibeus, Compton, even Hurt aside and expect instant depth from the rookies next year.[/quote]yeah, all those guys are over the hill anyways. just like our backfield...

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[quote=SmootSmack;967871]I think it's funny when people say we need to draft for depth and then seemingly forget about the young depth we currently have. But I suppose we'll just cast Gettis, LeRibeus, Compton, even Hurt aside and expect instant depth from the rookies next year.[/quote]

Yeah, I didn't even mention we have rookies currently growing in the system. Thank's Smoot for picking up my slack. :food-smil

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[quote=SmootSmack;967871]I think it's funny when people say we need to draft for depth and then seemingly forget about the young depth we currently have. But I suppose we'll just cast Gettis, LeRibeus, Compton, even Hurt aside and expect instant depth from the rookies next year.[/quote]

I'd hope a 2nd round lineman could beat out some of those late round scrubs. Teams get better through competition. By your logic, we shouldnt bother drafting/signing free agent players at any positions, since we already have young depth on the roster.

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[quote=SmootSmack;967871]I think it's funny when people say we need to draft for depth and then seemingly forget about the young depth we currently have. But I suppose we'll just cast Gettis, LeRibeus, Compton, even Hurt aside and expect instant depth from the rookies next year.[/quote]

Smoot, I would like to see Gettis, LeRibeus, and Compton get some reps at some points before the season is over. They all have been riding the pine all season long. Our starting offensive line has been doing a fine job, but if by chance the Redskins build a lead and it's late in the game, the coaches should put them in so they can attain game experience.

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[quote=SmootSmack;967871]I think it's funny when people say we need to draft for depth and then seemingly forget about the young depth we currently have. But I suppose we'll just cast Gettis, LeRibeus, Compton, even Hurt aside and expect instant depth from the rookies next year.[/quote]

If those guys are quality depth why is Polumbus starting then? But I see your point SS we've already spent resources on the oline, but I guess more for the interior.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;967866]Is there not going to be a draft or free agency next year?



Taken 2 was far better than i expected... but it still wasnt very good.

Our OL has done a decent job, but not heroic. RGIII is hit or knocked down on almost every single drop back. He is our franchise quarterback, andits not like hes a stocky guy like newton or rothlisberger. He's young now, but eventually, his body wont be able to recover as quickly and those hits will start taking a toll.

we've invested a fortune (in draft picks) in RGIII. we need to protect that investment by doing everything we can to upgrade the line so that he doesnt get knocked down so much when he's in the pocket. When your ranking team needs in the offseason, i cant imagine how improving the Oline is not 2nd... preferably guys like polumbus and Chester can become our backups/depth and we have better starters in front of them.[/quote]

It's still TBD whether a smaller oline (perfect for the ZBS) can also pass protect effectively against the myriad dominant dlines we face every season. Many of us had concerns about the ZBS here. It's been great for the ground attack, but long term if it can't protect your franchise QB from getting trucked multiple times a game is it worth it? Keeping in mind there are still better rushing teams out there that don't suffer pass protection because they don't rely on a smaller, ZBS oline.

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[quote=The Goat;967877]If those guys are quality depth why is Polumbus starting then? But I see your point SS we've already spent resources on the oline, but I guess more for the interior.[/quote]

I dont know why everyone is opposed to using FA and the draft to improve our o-line. Lets look at some of our other position groups -

We are STOCKED with talent at the rest of the offensive positions. We are SET with our starters and backups at QB, WR, RB, and TE (assuming we resign davis). obviously, shanahan will draft a RB in the late rounds, but we are more or less set with the rest of those positions.

Looking at our defense, our LB corps is excellent and our DL is pretty darn good too.

Other than secondary and OL, i dont see any major, glaring, weaknesses on our team. Obviously our secondary has to be our #1 concern, but we dont have a third startable tackle on our team. If Williams or Polumbus went down, we'd be screwed. Polumbus has played well better than i could have hoped for this year, but ideally, he's your backup swing tackle.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;967866]Is there not going to be a draft or free agency next year?



Taken 2 was far better than i expected... but it still wasnt very good.

Our OL has done a decent job, but not heroic. [B]RGIII is hit or knocked down on almost every single drop back.[/B] He is our franchise quarterback, andits not like hes a stocky guy like newton or rothlisberger. He's young now, but eventually, his body wont be able to recover as quickly and those hits will start taking a toll.

we've invested a fortune (in draft picks) in RGIII. we need to protect that investment by doing everything we can to upgrade the line so that he doesnt get knocked down so much when he's in the pocket. When your ranking team needs in the offseason, i cant imagine how improving the Oline is not 2nd... preferably guys like polumbus and Chester can become our backups/depth and we have better starters in front of them.[/quote]

A bit of a stretch.

RT is the only spot in need of an upgrade.

Given how they've performed and with some young guys waiting in the wings, I'd rather focus on upgrading the secondary.

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[quote=Mattyk;967881]A bit of a stretch.

RT is the only spot in need of an upgrade.

Given how they've performed and with some young guys waiting in the wings, I'd rather focus on upgrading the secondary.[/quote]

uhhh, no its not. For the past two games, during the newscast theyve shown stats of RGIII hurried/hits/knockdown/sacked on pass attempts. In both games, there were only 1 or 2 dropbacks where one of those did not occurr. the vast majority where in the Hits and Knockdown columns. RG3 takes a beating, and the worst hits are when he's in the pocket, not when he runs. Griffin is TOUGH, but we need to protect him long-term.

No one is saying not to focus on the secondary. Generally, teams can upgrade more than one position group in an offseason. Unless theres some new rule i'm not aware of that says teams have to pick one group and spend on their draft picks and make all their free agency acquisitions at one position.

As ive already said, in my perspective, the only position groups that actually require upgrading on our team in the offseason are the secondary and o-line. The secondary is - by far- the most glaring need, and one where we probably need 3 new starters, but i dont see why we couldnt add 3 new starting DBs and a new RT in the offseason.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;967875]I'd hope a 2nd round lineman could beat out some of those late round scrubs. Teams get better through competition. By your logic, we shouldnt bother drafting/signing free agent players at any positions, since we already have young depth on the roster.[/quote]

Not at all the point I was making

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;967880]I dont know why everyone is opposed to using FA and the draft to improve our o-line. Lets look at some of our other position groups -

We are STOCKED with talent at the rest of the offensive positions. We are SET with our starters and backups at QB, WR, RB, and TE (assuming we resign davis). obviously, shanahan will draft a RB in the late rounds, but we are more or less set with the rest of those positions.

Looking at our defense, our LB corps is excellent and our DL is pretty darn good too.

Other than secondary and OL, i dont see any major, glaring, weaknesses on our team. Obviously our secondary has to be our #1 concern, but we dont have a third startable tackle on our team. If Williams or Polumbus went down, we'd be screwed. Polumbus has played well better than i could have hoped for this year, but ideally, he's your backup swing tackle.[/quote]

Agreed. Draft and FA emphasis has to be on secondary and RT.

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I think the importance of RT is considerably overrated. I also think there aren't many great RTs out there. And finally I think it would be stupid to draft/sign an RT just for the hell of it in lieu of a better player at another position

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;967880][B]I dont know why everyone is opposed to using FA and the draft to improve our o-line. Lets look at some of our other position groups - [/B]...

Other than secondary and OL, i dont see any major, glaring, weaknesses on our team. Obviously our secondary has to be our #1 concern, but we dont have a third startable tackle on our team. If Williams or Polumbus went down, we'd be screwed. Polumbus has played well better than i could have hoped for this year, but ideally, he's your backup swing tackle.[/quote]

From what I am reading, I don't think anyone is [I]opposed[/I] to drafting additional developmental talent or looking for upgrades along the OL. In fact, I think all are in agreement that RT is in need of upgrade.

At the same time, those asserting that the line is horrible or inadequate as currently constructed are simply wrong. We have a high performing offense and due in the main to RGIII but also, certainly in part, to the improvement and consistency of the line. Further, and as others have noted, we have spent draft picks on developing depth - are they ready to start this year? nope. Do they have the talent to do so next year? Maybe. I would suggest, with our current needs in the secondary, and our draft pick position, we will not be drafting "Starter" quality guys next year anyway.

I would agree that, if reasonable upgrades are out there or well thought of developmental players present themselves in the draft, by all means take them. At the same time, the priority, as you seem to agree, must be the defensive secondary. Once that has been addressed, additional depth and talent along the O-line is probably the priority.

BUT - our line is not horrible as currently constituted. Let's see how it holds up Monday night.

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Call the offensive line heroes, call them mediocre, I don't give a shit. All I'm saying is we're strong in offensive production. We're terrible in defensive production. So laud the offensive line, or don't for all I care, just as long as every sane person realizes that the defense is in much bigger need of attention than the offensive line.

The only question that matters is "how are we going to get better?"

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[quote=SmootSmack;967890]I think the importance of RT is considerably overrated. I also think there aren't many great RTs out there. And finally I think it would be stupid to draft/sign an RT just for the hell of it in lieu of a better player at another position[/quote]

As an example of the importance of RT in relation to other positions, even being out for 8 weeks (is that right?), Garcon has contributed 2 touchdowns. Both TD's were, essentially, pure individual effort. I just don't see any RT (yes, even Winston) having the impact that a healthy Garcon makes.

Similarly, DB's operate on much more individual effort and the inadequacies of a below average safety or corner are much more easily exposed than those of an inadequate O-lineman. Neither is good, but given my druthers, I would rather improve the below average DB at the risk of retaining a below average RT.

If we had a line of Polumbus's, yup that would be a serious concern. We have, however, a possible pro-bowl LT, a center rated second in the league at his position and a pair of at least average guards to go along with Mr. Polumbus.

Let me ask you this - do you think playoff contenders Chicago, GBay, Dallas, Pittsburg wishes it had Kory L, Monty or Chester on their line RIGHT NOW? You bet your ass they do.

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[quote=Schneed10;967894]Call the offensive line heroes, call them mediocre, I don't give a shit. All I'm saying is we're strong in offensive production. We're terrible in defensive production. So laud the offensive line, or don't for all I care, just as long as [B]every sane person[/B] realizes that the defense is in much bigger need of attention than the offensive line.
The only question that matters is "how are we going to get better?"[/quote]

Oh, I think the sane one's realize this.

Not sure about Goat though ...

Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes
 

[quote=SmootSmack;967890]I think the importance of RT is considerably overrated. I also think there aren't many great RTs out there. And finally I think it would be stupid to draft/sign an RT just for the hell of it in lieu of a better player at another position[/quote]

That wasnt the point i was making at all. I never suggested signing a RT just for the hell of it. Still, it is our teams biggest need behind the secondary. It would be difficult to come up with an argument where one of the other offensive starters or front 7 defenders was more ill-suited for a starting role than polumbus on this team.

Again, im not knocking polumbus... he's done exceptionally well for a backup player playing in a starting role, but we need a stronger player at that position - not at the expense of any position on the secondary though.

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[quote=Schneed10;967894]Call the offensive line heroes, call them mediocre, I don't give a shit. [B] All I'm saying is we're strong in offensive production. We're terrible in defensive production.[/B] So laud the offensive line, or don't for all I care, just [B]as long as every sane person realizes that the defense is in much bigger need of attention than the offensive line.[/B]
The only question that matters is "how are we going to get better?"[/quote]

I dont think anyone has argued otherwise.

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We can improve the RT and secondary this offseason. It shouldnt be a problem. Kinda want to see what Compton brings to the Tackle position.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;967885]uhhh, no its not. For the past two games, during the newscast theyve shown stats of RGIII hurried/hits/knockdown/sacked on pass attempts. [B]In both games, there were only 1 or 2 dropbacks where one of those did not occurr. [/B] the vast majority where in the Hits and Knockdown columns. RG3 takes a beating, and the worst hits are when he's in the pocket, not when he runs. Griffin is TOUGH, but we need to protect him long-term.

No one is saying not to focus on the secondary. Generally, teams can upgrade more than one position group in an offseason. Unless theres some new rule i'm not aware of that says teams have to pick one group and spend on their draft picks and make all their free agency acquisitions at one position.

As ive already said, in my perspective, the only position groups that actually require upgrading on our team in the offseason are the secondary and o-line. The secondary is - by far- the most glaring need, and one where we probably need 3 new starters, but i dont see why we couldnt add 3 new starting DBs and a new RT in the offseason.[/quote]

So you're telling me in the last game when he had 28 pass attempts, he was hit 26-27 times? Got a link to back that up?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;967898]That wasnt the point i was making at all. I never suggested signing a RT just for the hell of it. Still, it is our teams biggest need behind the secondary. It would be difficult to come up with an argument where one of the other offensive starters or front 7 defenders was more ill-suited for a starting role than polumbus on this team.

Again, im not knocking polumbus... he's done exceptionally well for a backup player playing in a starting role, but we need a stronger player at that position - not at the expense of any position on the secondary though.[/quote]

I wasn't talking to you

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[quote=Mattyk;967901]So you're telling me in the last game when he had 28 pass attempts, he was hit 26-27 times? Got a link to back that up?[/quote]

as i said, this was an image on live television sometime in the 2nd half of both games. If you tell me how, i'd be more than happy to provide you a link ;)

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[quote=SmootSmack;967903]I wasn't talking to you[/quote]

oh, who were you replying to? the comment was formatted as if it was a reply, and it seems like im the only one on an island with my opinion lol.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;967904]as i said, this was an image on live television sometime in the 2nd half of both games. If you tell me how, i'd be more than happy to provide you a link ;)[/quote]

Yeah I remember seeing it, I just don't recall it being that high. That's a little outrageous if you ask me. For some reason I remember it being more like in the range of 9-11 hits/knockdowns in the first half and I don't recall them showing the graphic again the rest of the way.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;967906]oh, who were you replying to? the comment was formatted as if it was a reply, and it seems like im the only one on an island with my opinion lol.[/quote]

I would have quoted you if I were replying to you

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[quote=Mattyk;967907]Yeah I remember seeing it, I just don't recall it being that high. That's a little outrageous if you ask me. For some reason I remember it being more like in the range of 9-11 hits/knockdowns in the first half and I don't recall them showing the graphic again the rest of the way.[/quote]

9-11 hits/knockdowns in the first half is outrageously bad... i did just look at nfl.com and it looks like the skins offensive line has allowed the 6th most QB hits in the league:

Eagles: 86
Colts: 74
Cardinals: 73
Jags: 69
Bears: 67
[B]Skins: 63[/B]Packers 62

The rest of the teams range in the 30s-50s.

We're also tied with 9th most sacks allowed at 27.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2012&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/url]


someone referenced profootballfocus on the site earlier. I'd never been to it before, but checked it out and came across some interesting stuff.

[URL="https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/22/sig-stats-snapshot-passing-under-pressure/"]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/22/sig-stats-snapshot-passing-under-pressure/[/URL]

RGIII is the 9th most pressured quarterback in the NFL (pressured on 35% of his dropbacks), but, interestingly, is the NFLs most accurate passer under pressure - Is there anything Griffin does NOT excel at? Again, my concern isnt with RGIIIs decision making due to pressure, but simply the toll it will take on his body over time and he'll have a harder time than most QBs enduring/recovering due to his lanky frame.

Not surprisingly, the NFLs elite quarterbacks (brady, brees, rodgers, the manning brothers) are among the leagues least pressured quarterbacks.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;967915]9-11 hits/knockdowns in the first half is outrageously bad... i did just look at nfl.com and it looks like the skins offensive line has allowed the 6th most QB hits in the league:

Eagles: 86
Colts: 74
Cardinals: 73
Jags: 69
Bears: 67
[B]Skins: 63[/B]Packers 62

The rest of the teams range in the 30s-50s.

We're also tied with 9th most sacks allowed at 27.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2012&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/url]


someone referenced profootballfocus on the site earlier. I'd never been to it before, but checked it out and came across some interesting stuff.

[URL="https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/22/sig-stats-snapshot-passing-under-pressure/"]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/22/sig-stats-snapshot-passing-under-pressure/[/URL]

RGIII is the 9th most pressured quarterback in the NFL (pressured on 35% of his dropbacks), but, interestingly, is the NFLs most accurate passer under pressure - Is there anything Griffin does NOT excel at? Again, my concern isnt with RGIIIs decision making due to pressure, but simply the toll it will take on his body over time and he'll have a harder time than most QBs enduring/recovering due to his lanky frame.

[B]Not surprisingly, the NFLs elite quarterbacks (brady, brees, rodgers, the manning brothers) are among the leagues least pressured quarterbacks.[/B][/quote]
I would ask if they started out that way. And what I mean is, we have spent a ton of resources just trying to find a starting qb. Now we know, or are very d*** confident, that we have a long term solution I would imagine that our drafting/FA strategies would change somewhat.

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[quote=SmootSmack;967913]I would have quoted you if I were replying to you[/quote]

I commented about our needing to upgrade at RT and shortly thereafter you replied hat the importance of a RT was overrated. If you werent replying to me, who were you replying to?

Seems kind of random that you would just randomly make the statement that the importance of an RT was overrated without that being a response to someones comment about an RT.

Please dont interpret my comment as disrespect - as youre about the most respectable person around here. I'm just trying to understand the context for you stating that RT was overrated... because i couldnt disagree more. I dont think position tasked with protecting the most valuable player on this team (and possibly in the entire league) can possibly be considered overrated. I cant imagine an investment more valueable to protect than a franchise QB we just spent 3 first round picks and 1 second to acquire. He's THE reason we've won the games weve won. He's the reason we've been able to survive a secondary as historically attrocious as the one we have. In my opinion, protecting him long-term should be one of our main goals.

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From Pro Football Reference:

RGIII has been sacked 26 times in 305 drop backs (There is no listing for knock downs or hurries). For the sack of argument and unless someone has an objective statistical basis for finding diffently, I am going to assume that the ratio for sacks, knockdowns and hurries are complarable (i.e. - if team A allows 5 sacks and 5 knockdowns in 50 drop backs, we can assume it would allow 10 sacks and 10 knockdowns in 100 drop backs).

In raw numbers, the Skins O-line has allowed the 9th most sacks this year (27 - tied with the Jets and Vikings). Ahead of us in raw numbers are Green Bay (2nd w/ 37), Chicago (3rd w/ 35) and San Francisco (7th with 31).

In terms of percentages, our O-Line is 6th worst with a sack percentage of 7.9%. Ahead of us, again, are the Bears (2nd - 9.6%), San Francisco (3rd - 9.6%) and GB (8.8%).

The best in terms of percentages are the Texans, Broncos, Patriots and Giants - all with less than 4%.

What that says to me is that, we can win with this line, but we can't win with this line and the defense as currently constituted. While we allow a lot of sacks, it is clear that other successful teams do the same but, for example, SF and Chicago have killer D's. We do not. The Pats D is suspect but their O-Line and Brady have been the heart of their success.

Again, the bottom line is that the [I]this[/I] line has done enough to help make our offense the most productive it has been in recent memory. Not sure anyone is suggesting anything more than that.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;967918]I would ask if they started out that way. And what I mean is, we have spent a ton of resources just trying to find a starting qb. Now we know, or are very d*** confident, that we have a long term solution I would imagine that our drafting/FA strategies would change somewhat.[/quote]

I'm not sure i understand what youre getting at. Teams strategies always change once theyve found "the guy" - they can stop looking for "the guy" and start improving their teams around him. The difference iwth the other elite quarterbacks i mentioned (with the exception of eli) is that those teams (saints, colts/broncos, packers, patriots) didnt pay a fortune in draft picks to acquire their franchise quarterback. We did. Normally, i would think that would hurt a team substantially, But RGIII is so far ahead of the curve as a rookie, i'm optomisitic that the lack of 1st round picks the next two years wont hurt us as much. RGIII is so athletic, he can make plays on his own without elite talent around him right now. That will change as he gets older, but we've got more than enough time to build up our offense and defense arround him. I cant fathom going into a season with a healthy RGIII and not being competitive.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;967920]From Pro Football Reference:

RGIII has been sacked 26 times in 305 drop backs (There is no listing for knock downs or hurries). For the sack of argument and unless someone has an objective statistical basis for finding diffently, I am going to assume that the ratio for sacks, knockdowns and hurries are complarable (i.e. - if team A allows 5 sacks and 5 knockdowns in 50 drop backs, we can assume it would allow 10 sacks and 10 knockdowns in 100 drop backs).

In raw numbers, the Skins O-line has allowed the 9th most sacks this year (27 - tied with the Jets and Vikings). Ahead of us in raw numbers are Green Bay (2nd w/ 37), Chicago (3rd w/ 35) and San Francisco (7th with 31).

In terms of percentages, our O-Line is 6th worst with a sack percentage of 7.9%. Ahead of us, again, are the Bears (2nd - 9.6%), San Francisco (3rd - 9.6%) and GB (8.8%).

The best in terms of percentages are the Texans, Broncos, Patriots and Giants - all with less than 4%.

[B]What that says to me is that, we can win with this line, but we can't win with this line and the defense as currently constituted. [/B] While we allow a lot of sacks, it is clear that other successful teams do the same but, for example, SF and Chicago have killer D's. We do not. The Pats D is suspect but their O-Line and Brady have been the heart of their success.

Again, the bottom line is that the [I]this[/I] line has done enough to help make our offense the most productive it has been in recent memory. Not sure anyone is suggesting anything more than that.[/quote]

Excellent post. I do think (probably like everyone else) that our defenses problems are primarily limited to the secondary. If we stop allowing defense to score so much, we can rely more heavily on our running game... which i think our o-line has done a pretty d*** fine job at.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;967919]I commented about our needing to upgrade at RT and shortly thereafter you replied hat the importance of a RT was overrated. If you werent replying to me, who were you replying to?

Seems kind of random that you would just randomly make the statement that the importance of an RT was overrated without that being a response to someones comment about an RT.

Please dont interpret my comment as disrespect - as youre about the most respectable person around here. I'm just trying to understand the context for you stating that RT was overrated... because i couldnt disagree more. I dont think position tasked with protecting the most valuable player on this team (and possibly in the entire league) can possibly be considered overrated. I cant imagine an investment more valueable to protect than a franchise QB we just spent 3 first round picks and 1 second to acquire. He's THE reason we've won the games weve won. He's the reason we've been able to survive a secondary as historically attrocious as the one we have. In my opinion, protecting him long-term should be one of our main goals.[/quote]

There are multiple ways to protect your QB than just throwing an RT out there. Fact is there aren't that many good RTs out there to begin with.

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[quote=Mattyk;967901]So you're telling me in the last game when he had 28 pass attempts, he was hit 26-27 times? Got a link to back that up?[/quote]

What are you talking about? He passes outside the pocket regularly, but sitting back in the pocket he gets crushed with a couple seconds of the snap. I think just about every game announcer has said as much.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;967915]9-11 hits/knockdowns in the first half is outrageously bad... i did just look at nfl.com and it looks like the skins offensive line has allowed the 6th most QB hits in the league:

Eagles: 86
Colts: 74
Cardinals: 73
Jags: 69
Bears: 67
[B]Skins: 63[/B]Packers 62

The rest of the teams range in the 30s-50s.

We're also tied with 9th most sacks allowed at 27.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2012&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go"]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/URL]


someone referenced profootballfocus on the site earlier. I'd never been to it before, but checked it out and came across some interesting stuff.

[URL]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/22/sig-stats-snapshot-passing-under-pressure/[/URL]

RGIII is the 9th most pressured quarterback in the NFL (pressured on 35% of his dropbacks), but, interestingly, is the NFLs most accurate passer under pressure - Is there anything Griffin does NOT excel at? Again, my concern isnt with RGIIIs decision making due to pressure, but simply the toll it will take on his body over time and he'll have a harder time than most QBs enduring/recovering due to his lanky frame.

Not surprisingly, the NFLs elite quarterbacks (brady, brees, rodgers, the manning brothers) are among the leagues least pressured quarterbacks.[/quote]

Translation: RG3 and the offense success is in spite of the oline, not because of it.

I really think the bigger picture, long term question has to be whether Shanny's ZBS can protect a QB in this division and era of the NFL. Again, it's a pretty good rushing attack, though better exist. The difference is those elite lines also protect their QB well.

Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes
 

[quote=The Goat;967925]What are you talking about? He passes outside the pocket regularly, but sitting back in the pocket he gets crushed with a couple seconds of the snap. I think just about every game announcer has said as much.[/quote]

You know ... I took you off the ignore just to see if you had an intelligent response. I instantly regretted it -- back you go.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;967915]9-11 hits/knockdowns in the first half is outrageously bad... i did just look at nfl.com and it looks like the skins offensive line has allowed the 6th most QB hits in the league:

Eagles: 86
Colts: 74
Cardinals: 73
Jags: 69
Bears: 67
[B]Skins: 63[/B]Packers 62

The rest of the teams range in the 30s-50s.

We're also tied with 9th most sacks allowed at 27.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2012&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go"]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/URL]


someone referenced profootballfocus on the site earlier. I'd never been to it before, but checked it out and came across some interesting stuff.

[URL]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/22/sig-stats-snapshot-passing-under-pressure/[/URL]

RGIII is the 9th most pressured quarterback in the NFL (pressured on 35% of his dropbacks), but, interestingly, is the NFLs most accurate passer under pressure - Is there anything Griffin does NOT excel at? Again, my concern isnt with RGIIIs decision making due to pressure, but simply the toll it will take on his body over time and he'll have a harder time than most QBs enduring/recovering due to his lanky frame.

Not surprisingly, the NFLs elite quarterbacks (brady, brees, rodgers, the manning brothers) are among the leagues least pressured quarterbacks.[/quote]

Translation: RG3 and the offense success is in spite of the oline, not because of it.

I really think the bigger picture, long term question has to be whether Shanny's ZBS can protect a QB in this division and era of the NFL. Again, it's a pretty good rushing attack, though better exist. The difference is those elite lines also protect their QB well. We've got a giddy bunch of school girl types ignoring the fact RG3 has been abused worse than Rihanna (sp?), and a couple/few years from now he'll likely be hobbled if we don't do a better job protecting him.

Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes
 

?? Sorry not sure how/why that double posted. Guess the Gods new it was important hehe

Re: Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes
 

In terms of the success offense being due to RGIII in spite of the O-Line, I cite the example of SF. Was there [I]offensive[/I] success the result of [I]Alex Smith [/I]despite the sack heavy O-Line?