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i haven't seen more than 3 or 4 plays worth of andrew luck this regular season. i'll have to hold off on any opinion, other than i find it hard to believe that he's playing better than griff.

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and yeah, not sure who else would take flacco over griff.

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Jaworski is an idiot. He is the most common "one play and thats your grade" kind of evaluator.

He did say the other night that the redskins defense had Eli the most confused he had ever seen...he clearly hasn't watched Eli's face then during a game.

This guy also got fired from MNF. I respect gruden more than jaws.

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QB Robert Griffin III today was named the [URL="http://www.nfl.com/voting/rookies/2012/REG/13"]NFL's Rookie of the Week[/URL] for the 3rd straight week and sixth time in 2012.

I'd say he's a keeper.

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[quote=RedskinRat;972163]QB Robert Griffin III today was named the [URL="http://www.nfl.com/voting/rookies/2012/REG/13"]NFL's Rookie of the Week[/URL] for the 3rd straight week and sixth time in 2012.

I'd say he's a keeper.[/quote]

Sometimes these awards are wrong, and this one, imo, is. I would give it to Russell Wilson, did you see the way he had the Bears panting at the end of the game.

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I most definitely think it comes down to Griffin and Luck. Although, Griffin is running away with it on the PR front. Skins late surge could put Griff over the top.

Still think Luck edges him out.

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[quote=12thMan;972172]I most definitely think it comes down to Griffin and Luck. Although, Griffin is running away with it on the PR front. Skins late surge could put Griff over the top.

Still think Luck edges him out.[/quote]

It's crazy. Luck throws something like 42 times per game because the Colts have no running game. So it stands to reason that he'd have more yards, although RGIII has as many TD passes, many fewer INTs, a higher completion percentage, more deep balls (20+ yards) for TDs and completions, and probably a few other things I can think of. Luck has the benefit of last year's horrible Colts record. But a number of things changed in Indy for the better. I don't think there is a Redskins fan anywhere that would do a QB swap with Indy, but I would bet that there are at least a handful of Indy fans that would swap QBs with us.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;972169]Sometimes these awards are wrong, and this one, imo, is. I would give it to Russell Wilson, did you see the way he had the Bears panting at the end of the game.[/quote]

Wilson wasn't playing the defending Super Bowl champions.

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[quote=RedskinRat;972175]Wilson wasn't playing the defending Super Bowl champions.[/quote]

Had you seen the Bears defense???

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[quote=calia;972174]It's crazy. Luck throws something like 42 times per game because the Colts have no running game. So it stands to reason that he'd have more yards, although RGIII has as many TD passes, many fewer INTs, a higher completion percentage, more deep balls (20+ yards) for TDs and completions, and probably a few other things I can think of. Luck has the benefit of last year's horrible Colts record. But a number of things changed in Indy for the better. [B]I don't think there is a Redskins fan anywhere that would do a QB swap with Indy[/B], but I would bet that there are at least a handful of Indy fans that would swap QBs with us.[/quote]i swear somebody here said they'd trade griff for luck.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;972176]Had you seen the Bears defense???[/quote]

Yes, against the Niners, I think it was. Not what they were. Certainly not a defending SB champion team.

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[quote=los panda;972177]i swear somebody here said they'd trade griff for luck.[/quote]

I think there are a few fans on both teams that would swap, I think both qbs went to the best team for them, so I wouldn't change a thing.

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[quote=los panda;972177]i swear somebody here said they'd trade griff for luck.[/quote]

I remember that. I think it was some scenario where we would get draft picks and/or a player too. There's a lot of good QB's out there. More good young QB's than there has been in a long time. But there is only one RG3. And nobody....NOBODY but him that possesses the extrordinary set of skills to the degree he has and I wouldn't trade him for anyone.

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[quote=53Fan;972203]I remember that. I think it was some scenario where we would get draft picks and/or a player too. There's a lot of good QB's out there. More good young QB's than there has been in a long time. But there is only one RG3. And nobody....NOBODY but him that possesses the extrordinary set of skills to the degree he has and I wouldn't trade him for anyone.[/quote]that's it, i think it was for luck and 2 or 3 1st round picks.

hail to griff! wouldn't trade him for the world

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[quote=los panda;972209]that's it, i think it was for luck and 2 or 3 1st round picks.

hail to griff! wouldn't trade him for the world[/quote]

Yeah, my point was no Redskins fan would do a straight up swap. But I would bet that at least a few Colts fans would. The earlier exchange on this site was Luck plus the picks we gave up to get RGIII. Different animal.

BTW, we ought to start a petition that requires RGIII to be bubble wrapped, given a security detail, and locked away in Ft. Knox during the off-season. Honestly, every week I think to myself, "I cannot believe that this guy is our QB. He's too good to be true." Then again, with all the suffering the last two decades, the Football Gods owed us.

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As much as I love RGIII, I also love Luck. Many of you are under estimating him because of the # of INT's and not being the athlete that RGIII is. The man is also a winner, trust me he's just as good but in a different kind of way. I would have been happy with either one.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;972226]As much as I love RGIII, I also love Luck. Many of you are under estimating him because of the # of INT's and not being the athlete that RGIII is. The man is also a winner, trust me he's just as good but in a different kind of way. I would have been happy with either one.[/quote]

I agree, but we all like our guy more. Still need too see a lot more from both of them. Luck also had two ints dropped by the Lions. It's not like you honestly say either are top five.

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[quote=los panda;972177]i swear somebody here said they'd trade griff for luck.[/quote]


I've said he would be the only QB I would consider on a 1 for 1 trade for RGIII, but I would be hard pressed to make that trade. I still think that Luck may end up with a longer career than RGII. Note, I'm not saying I think he'll have a better career, just a longer one.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;972226]As much as I love RGIII, I also love Luck. Many of you are under estimating him because of the # of INT's and not being the athlete that RGIII is. The man is also a winner, trust me he's just as good but in a different kind of way. I would have been happy with either one.[/quote]

Luck doesn't have the luxury of having Alfred Morris to take the pressure of him. Would RGII be having the type of success he's having without any run game? Who knows. My guess is probably not because the run game alone has set up the PA ability that makes this offense go. The Colts offense depends much more on Luck to shoulder the burden as you can tell in the disparities in attempts. RGIII has 325 attempts to Luck's 503.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;972230]Luck doesn't have the luxury of having Alfred Morris to take the pressure of him. Would RGII be having the type of success he's having without any run game? Who knows. My guess is probably not because the run game alone has set up the PA ability that makes this offense go. The Colts offense depends much more on Luck to shoulder the burden as you can tell in the disparities in attempts. RGIII has 325 attempts to Luck's 503.[/QUOTE]

But part of griffins game is his playaction and run. not demeaning morris but I believe he benefits from griffins ability. and if griffin were on the colts they would still probably not throw as much. that's just a difference in their games, I don't see why that plays into the discussion.

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[quote=53Fan;972203]I remember that. I think it was some scenario where we would get draft picks and/or a player too. There's a lot of good QB's out there. More good young QB's than there has been in a long time. But there is only one RG3. And nobody....NOBODY but him that possesses the extrordinary set of skills to the degree he has and I wouldn't trade him for anyone.[/quote]
Even Ryan Leaf ?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;972226]As much as I love RGIII, I also love Luck. Many of you are under estimating him because of the # of INT's and not being the athlete that RGIII is. The man is also a winner, trust me he's just as good but in a different kind of way. I would have been happy with either one.[/quote]

Many forget the forgettable Colts of last year are now 8-4 and in the playoff hunt after only one year. That being said I would slap anyone in the face with a wet mackerel before I let them trade our QB for "Suckie Luckie". ;-)

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[quote=budw38;972245]Even Ryan Leaf ?[/quote]

Lmao! You're killing me bud. After much thought and consideration......not even the great Ryan Leaf. :)

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;972226]As much as I love RGIII, I also love Luck. Many of you are under estimating him because of the # of INT's and not being the athlete that RGIII is. The man is also a winner, trust me he's just as good but in a different kind of way. I would have been happy with either one.[/quote]

At the time of the draft I would have prefered Luck. I fully expect him to have a great career. But after seeing RG3 as a pro, the way he handles big games with such a calm, cool demeaner, the problems he causes defenses to gameplan for him because of his speed, armstrength and accuracy, I just think he is more difficult to stop. They both have great arms and Luck is a great athlete in his own right. But Griffen is much more difficult to defend because he uses all of his talents, including world class speed, much more often than Luck who primarily is used as a pocket passer as compared to Griffen who you don't know what to expect more often than not. He excells at mostly everything he does and uses all of his skills on a regular basis which makes him much harder to read. They both should have great careers I just think Griffen brings an overall talent level and new dimension to the QB position never before seen in the NFL.

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If I look back on any draft and the subsequent first year play of ..........any rookie qb, I cannot think of anyone that has impressed more than Robert

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Griffin=new age style QB

Luck=traditional pocket style QB

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^ Yep. And they're both winners.

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[quote=Hog1;972266]If I look back on any draft and the subsequent first year play of ..........any rookie qb, I cannot think of anyone that has impressed more than Robert[/quote]

Griffin III has been extremely impressive. Fans of other teams want him to have a sophomore slump next season and are comparing him to Cam Newton. But how can they compare RG3 to Newton when RG3 has done more in his rookie season than Cam did in his rookie season? Nay! They are just pure haters plain and simple.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;972307]Griffin III has been extremely impressive. Fans of other teams want him to have a sophomore slump next season and are comparing him to Cam Newton. But how can they compare RG3 to Newton when RG3 has done more in his rookie season than Cam did in his rookie season? Nay! They are just pure haters plain and simple.[/quote]

The comparison is about more than football. Cam's a self-professed diva (ok, entertainer) while Robert is a football player with character. Huge difference, IMHO, and it will play out that way over the rest of their respective careers.

Just no comparison, I can't believe we got this lucky. I mean we used to bitch about all the press the Cowgirls get, and RG3 has just wiped them off the media's horizon. Unbelievable.

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I see Luck Vs. RGIII this way: Both teams picked the right player for what they wanted to do. Luck is perfect for the Colts and RGIII is perfect for the Skins. For that reason, the idea of trading one for the other must be unthinkable to most fans of both teams. I know it is to me.

Larry Bird as a Laker? Unthinkable! Magic Johnson as a Celtic? Unthinkable!

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;972313]The comparison is about more than football. Cam's a self-professed diva (ok, entertainer) while Robert is a football player with character. Huge difference, IMHO, and it will play out that way over the rest of their respective careers.

Just no comparison, I can't believe we got this lucky. I mean we used to bitch about all the press the Cowgirls get, and RG3 has just wiped them off the media's horizon. Unbelievable.[/quote]

I think it is even more than that -- RG3, for a guy that young, is an insanely good, sincere leader. Cam is an absolutely awful leader. The fact that RG3 is already a team captain and (at least gives off the vibe that he) loves playing football with his teammates. No comparison -- dude is a boss, here's to at least a decade of RG3 with the Redskins

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[quote=rbanerjee23;972322]I think it is even more than that -- RG3, for a guy that young, is an insanely good, sincere leader. Cam is an absolutely awful leader. The fact that RG3 is already a team captain and (at least gives off the vibe that he) loves playing football with his teammates. No comparison -- dude is a boss, here's to at least a decade of RG3 with the Redskins[/quote]

Absolutely right. He's done everything right in team matters since even before they reported to camp. No comparison to Cam at all.

I wonder if we'd be wanting RG3 if we had drafted Luck. My guess is that we would have done well with Luck under center. I also hear much concern among other teams' fans about RG3s career longevity, and that Luck will be around longer than RG3. Would we see it that way from the outside looking in?

I believe that RG3 will be much more of a traditional pocket passer in the future, but will obviously always have the potential for making the explosive play. Could be an exciting decade or so...

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For all the worries about his size....he is 1 pound less than Alfred Morris. I know AM is shorter, stout etc, but 217 this year, probably will play the majority of his carrer at 220 - 225.

I know there is some mobile / non mobile below... but the rules were different until a few years ago. QBs used to get crushed. Robert fits right in with good company.

Favre 222
Joe Montana 200
Steve Young 215
Tom Brady 225
Dan Marino 224
John Elway 215
Fran Tarkenton 190
Roger Staubach 197
Matt Ryan 225
Aaron Rogers 223
Troy Aikman 219
Warren Moon 218

Other than Payton Manning and Big Ben, how many good QBs go 230+? Jamrcus Russell? Ryan Leaf? Dante Culpepper?

All weights taken from [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/]Pro-Football-Reference.com - Pro Football Statistics and History[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;972283]Griffin=new age style QB

Luck=traditional pocket style QB[/quote]

Not "new age" just superior athlete...

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Luck = interception machine

[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;972318]I see Luck Vs. RGIII this way: Both teams picked the right player for what they wanted to do. Luck is perfect for the Colts and RGIII is perfect for the Skins. For that reason, the idea of trading one for the other must be unthinkable to most fans of both teams. I know it is to me.

Larry Bird as a Laker? Unthinkable! Magic Johnson as a Celtic? Unthinkable![/QUOTE]

I think we have to give a lot of credit to Kyle for making the redskins offense perfect for RG.