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[quote=Mattyk;986553]Yeah I was just gonna say I've heard some no so great things about Elway. Plus I bumped into him at the HOF in 2008 and he blew off everyone who was asking him for an autograph and kinda came off like a jerk.[/quote]

Tough to really draw any conclusions. But I mean neither Reeves nor Shanahan would probably give ringing endorsements privately of Elway the person. And probably the same vice-versa.

Plummer can't stand Shanahan. At all. I've been on the other end of the phone when Plummer has laid into thin

On the other hand, Steve Young loves Shanahan. So does Brian Griese

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[quote=milellie111;986572]Trust me, i am not trying to clutter the board. I honestly didn't see any other threads that related to what i posted about this injury and Mike Shanhans previous track history in Denver with players injuries. I'm not trying to be a know it all or post "look at me" threads.

Realistically, everyone's analysis are flawed. Even Sports commentators who get paid big bucks to give their opinons. Some folks side with Stephen A Smith, some side with Skip Bayless, some think their both idiots. Who's right and who's wrong? At the end of the day, they are just opinions.[/quote]

Just try to involve yourself more with the active threads

Yeah but you were like "we're going to lose this because teams adjust the second time around" but somehow you didn't think we'd adjust? Anyway, that's not what this thread is about anyway

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;986563]First, i give anything Smoot says credibility over anything Goat hears his relative say he heard insiders say that Elways privately says.

Do you even understand the sentence i wrote? Its confusing, because there are so many people involved i nthe chain of communication. Your taking unsubstantied 5th hand information as fact. Beyond that, youre correlating Elway's not being fond of Shanahan as a person with his not caring about his players. Thats like saying, if you dont like a guy for personal reason, that means he doesnt care about his family. Youre twisting Goats comments to support your own twisted view of Shanahan. Goat has enough crazy opinions of his own, he doesnt need your help.

Lets say, for a moment, that nothing got lost in translation in the string of people between Elway and Goat. Lets say Elway really doesnt like Shanahan. For everyone that's worked with/played for Shanahan that doesnt like him, i garantee youll find 10 more that do. Either there is a vast conspiracy between formal coaches, players, and members of the media to lie and say great things about Shanahan, or Shanahan is just like every other human being.... some people like you, some people dont. You can't please everyone.

Finally, if you go all the way back to last offseason, and you go through every media report, Snyder, Allen, Mike, and Kyle were all IN LOVE with RGIII. They loved everything about him - both as a player and as a person. But all of a sudden you think Shanahan doesnt care about Griffin? You are right to question Shanahan's decision - everyone is. I personally think the Skins horribly mismanaged his injury. But to question Shanahan's motivations - to say he doesnt care about his players - its not true. And its out of line.[/quote]



I never said that Shanahan had it out for RG3 when he was drafted or anything like that. I never even said Shanahan didn't like RG3 as a person or deep down inside is a malicious guy.
In this Sundays game though, i feel that Shanahan put winning and his ego in front of RG3's health. That's what i was saying.

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[quote=SmootSmack;986577]Tough to really draw any conclusions. But I mean neither Reeves nor Shanahan would probably give ringing endorsements privately of Elway the person. And probably the same vice-versa.

Plummer can't stand Shanahan. At all. I've been on the other end of the phone when Plummer has laid into thin

On the other hand, Steve Young loves Shanahan. So does Brian Griese[/quote]

Bottom line is unless you know the person, you just don't know the person.

And we all have people we don't mesh with for whatever reason.

All of this is a little silly really.

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[quote=NC_Skins;986566]I was not one of them. I also didn't blame Leslie Frazier for their loss Saturday when he pulled Ponder prior to the game. Injuries happen. There is absolutely no shame in pulling a player due to it. Now, if the guy is playing effectively while hurt, that's one thing. If he's not, it's entirely a different matter.

I have to say that guys like Mark Schlereth piss me off when it comes to players playing with injuries. He was one of those clowns ripping Jay Cutler, and one of those guys saying play RGIII. That's easy for him to say, he has no investment in it. [B]He doesn't have to worry about the next season. I doubt he played with very serious injuries, or any that caused him to be about 40% effective. I guess Mark thinks they should go out there after suffering concussions as well. Hey, that's what a tough guy like Mark would do![/B]

The days of machismo should be over. Sure you play with pain, sure you might even play injured, but there are times where it's simply smarter (for the long and short run) to sit out.[/quote]


Schlereth knows a thing or two about injuries. Even before I googled it, I know that Schlereth had a ton of surgeries. I thought it was 12 or 13. I was close - if you only look at his left knee:

[quote]Before ending his playing career Schlereth endured 29 surgeries. Twenty of those surgeries were performed on his knees (15 left, 5 right). After the 13th procedure on his left knee on July 24, 2000, Denver Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan stated, "He has a great pain threshold. I think the doctors said that it was the worst knee that they've ever seen." Schlereth would have two more procedures on his left knee during the 2000 season, his last in the NFL. His injuries are documented on Athlete 360, the new sports medicine television show hosted by Schlereth's former Redskins teammate, Dr. Mark Adickes.[/quote]

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Schlereth]Mark Schlereth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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[quote=milellie111;986583]I never said that Shanahan had it out for RG3 when he was drafted or anything like that. I never even said Shanahan didn't like RG3 as a person or deep down inside is a malicious guy.
In this Sundays game though, i feel that Shanahan put winning and his ego in front of RG3's health. That's what i was saying.[/quote]

You noticed this while eating your 7/11 hot dog?

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I like Schlereth, he was a great part of the America's Game show that featured the Broncos superbowl win.

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[quote=milellie111;986583]I never said that Shanahan had it out for RG3 when he was drafted or anything like that. I never even said Shanahan didn't like RG3 as a person or deep down inside is a malicious guy.
In this Sundays game though, i feel that Shanahan put winning and his ego in front of RG3's health. That's what i was saying.[/quote]

But you also said this

"It makes me question not only Shanahan's coaching ability, but something far greater.....His humanity and sincere care for his players while trying to win at all costs"

Certainly made me think you were saying Shanahan doesn't really care for his players

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;986554]Sometimes leaders make wrong decisions, and they take heat for that too.[/quote]

The man said he went with his gut. If I have to bet on a football decision, I'll take MS's gut call over The Butt Head's non-DVR watching 20/20 hindsight and friends of friend's BS 8 days a week.

Shanahan made a bad call in this case. He knows it and stood up there and got grilled on it. He will do the same at the next press conference.

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[quote=SmootSmack;986577]Tough to really draw any conclusions. But I mean neither Reeves nor Shanahan would probably give ringing endorsements privately of Elway the person. And probably the same vice-versa.

Plummer can't stand Shanahan. At all. I've been on the other end of the phone when Plummer has laid into thin

On the other hand, [B]Steve Young loves Shanahan[/B]. So does Brian Griese[/quote]

Totally irrelevant, mormons are nice to everyone. And who's Griese?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;986586]Schlereth knows a thing or two about injuries. Even before I googled it, I know that Schlereth had a ton of surgeries. I thought it was 12 or 13. I was close - if you only look at his left knee:



[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Schlereth]Mark Schlereth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url][/quote]


I knew Mark had a great number of surgeries when I said that, but I've never heard of Mark playing on a tore MCL or ACL. It's why I stipulated "very serious" as a context. I no doubt believe Mark probably played with a great deal of pain, but the fact is he was still able to perform his job at a high level.


[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SchlMa00.htm]Mark Schlereth NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

Seems to me that Mark missed his share of games. Why didn't he tough it up and go out there like a man??

Also, of those surgeries, how many of them were major ones? Reconstructive ACL? MCL? Were they just scopes to clean up debris in the knee? It matters. Again, not slighting Mark, but he really should keep quiet about others not playing with injuries when in fact he's missed games himself.

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[quote=The Goat;986601]Totally irrelevant, mormons are nice to everyone. And who's Griese?[/quote]


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[quote=NC_Skins;986603][B]I knew Mark had a great number of surgeries when I said that, but I've never heard of Mark playing on a tore MCL or ACL. It's why I stipulated "very serious" as a context. I no doubt believe Mark probably played with a great deal of pain, but the fact is he was still able to perform his job at a high level.[/B]


[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SchlMa00.htm]Mark Schlereth NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

Seems to me that Mark missed his share of games. Why didn't he tough it up and go out there like a man??

Also, of those surgeries, how many of them were major ones? Reconstructive ACL? MCL? Were they just scopes to clean up debris in the knee? It matters. Again, not slighting Mark, but he really should keep quiet about others not playing with injuries when in fact he's missed games himself.[/quote]

I am sure there are many situations when players played injured that we won't know about. Just because you haven't heard about, it doesn't mean it didn't happen, especially back then. Hell, didn't Nick Sundberg [B]played with a broken arm[/B] for almost an entire game? I know he is no RG3 (although ask the Raiders how they lost a game this season b/c of their snapper getting injured), but that should tell you about that player mentality.

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[quote=The Goat;986601]Totally irrelevant, mormons are nice to everyone. And who's Griese?[/quote]

Stereotype much? :doh:

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[quote=Ruhskins;986611]Stereotype much? :doh:[/quote]

You're probably too young/dull to get the humor.

But yes, mormons are widely known to be extaordinarily friendly.

And no, I'm not mormon. Though I've known many having lived most of my life in the northwest.

Moving on...

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[quote=milellie111;986537]Why listen or worry about what Elway said? [B]SmootSmack told me my opinion of Shanhan was "stupid[/B]" of me to think that he doesn't care about his players health. Obviously SmootSmack knows Shanahan better than Elway does.[/quote]

He was being....charitable.

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[quote=The Goat;986621]You're probably too young/dull to get the humor.

But yes, mormons are widely known to be extaordinarily friendly.

And no, I'm not mormon. Though I've known many having lived most of my life in the northwest.

Moving on...[/quote]

And you're probably too much of a moron to make a comment like that in jest. See, not all Mormons are nice.

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[quote=Ruhskins;986629]And you're probably too much of a moron to make a comment like that in jest. See, not all Mormons are nice.[/quote]

You're not really an a$$hole IMO, you just play one in real life.

LOL

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This whole thread has turned into a real hen house. Peck Peck Pecking at each other. Goodness!

RGIII is superhuman, his knee will heal up, and this season will go down as one of the coolest in Redskins history. 3-6 to playoffs! Winning a playoff game would have been icing on the cake. Atlanta would have been a tough match for us anyways. A lot of receiving weapons. Where will we be picking in the 2nd round?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;986647]This whole thread has turned into a real hen house. Peck Peck Pecking at each other. Goodness!

RGIII is superhuman, his knee will heal up, and this season will go down as one of the coolest in Redskins history. 3-6 to playoffs! Winning a playoff game would have been icing on the cake. Atlanta would have been a tough match for us anyways. A lot of receiving weapons. [B]Where will we be picking in the 2nd round?[/B][/quote]we're at 22 of 32, 54.

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[quote=The Goat;986601]Totally irrelevant, mormons are nice to everyone. And who's Griese?[/quote]

Maybe you're too young to remember?

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrieBr00.htm]Brian Griese NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

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How do you get your age to pop up on your page on the left hand side when you post? Some people have it, some don't, its not even an option in my About Me section? Always curious to get a feeling for who I'm reading/talking with.

Sorry to get off topic here!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;986652]How do you get your age to pop up on your page on the left hand side when you post? Some people have it, some don't, its not even an option in my About Me section? Always curious to get a feeling for who I'm reading/talking with.

Sorry to get off topic here![/quote]user cp > edit your details > privacy (should be set on "hide age and date of birth") > change that setting to "display only age"

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[quote=Mattyk;986649]Maybe you're too young to remember?

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrieBr00.htm"]Brian Griese NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL][/quote]

LOL that too was meant as sarcasm. I actually thought Griese was a pretty good QB.

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[quote=The Goat;986666]LOL that too was meant as sarcasm. I actually thought Griese was a pretty good QB.[/quote]

I figured.

Just wanted to get in the youth crack though.

How old are you anyway?

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I keep hearing RGIII was the best option, and that was CLEARLY the thinking...because Alfred Morris (that guy who was running for chunks of yards in the 1st quarter) was barely seen the rest of the game. That, to me, was the worst part of all of this.

I don't have enough information to blame Shanny for leaving RGIII in the game, but damn, for Alfred to only get five touches in the second half was ridiculuous...sometimes I think they have the tendency to overthink things and end up outsmarting themselves...

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[quote=Mattyk;986668]I figured.

Just wanted to get in the youth crack though.

How old are you anyway?[/quote]

Don't worry about it sonny. ;)

I came in this thread expecting a trainwreck, glad to see it didn't disappoint. Shit even FD got a zinger in. Jolly good job old beans.

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Never had much faith in Shanahan to begin with. Counting this season the man has won one playoff game in 14 years. But people still talk about him like he's a genius. He's an over the hill, arrogant snob of a coach and now his arrogance/stupidity has most likely cost the Redskins their franchise player. Anyone who thinks RG3 will come back the same is kidding themselves.

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[quote=RFKRat;986719]Never had much faith in Shanahan to begin with. Counting this season the man has won one playoff game in 14 years. But people still talk about him like he's a genius. He's an over the hill, arrogant snob of a coach and now his arrogance/stupidity has most likely cost the Redskins their franchise player. Anyone who thinks RG3 will come back the same is kidding themselves.[/quote]

Damn! Since you know the future, could you hook me up with some lotto ticket numbers?

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[quote=RFKRat;986719] Anyone who thinks RG3 will come back the same is kidding themselves.[/quote]


You mean like he did after his first ACL? oh wait....

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Everyone sure is coming out of the woodwork lately eh

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[quote=NC_Skins;986729]You mean like he did after his first ACL? oh wait....[/quote]

zing. point well made. I talked about that earlier. However, I do have to cover myself by stating, for the record; injuries are like snowflakes, no two are alike....

(Medical Analysis curtesy of Holiday Inn Express)

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[quote=skinsguy;986449]How many times do we have to hear this until we realize that maybe, JUST MAYBE, some of this blame should be on Robert himself? He knows his body better than anybody else, and God love him for being a warrior and willing to fight on one leg, but the coach does not have all the freakin' time in the world to go and chase down the doctor or his assistant coaches and inquire about every single injury. He's got coaching to do, he's got a game he was trying to win. There are a lot of would've, could've, should'ves floating around, but ya know, things happen. Move on. Wish Griffin the best, thank God for a great turnaround of a season. Things are bright for this team.[/quote]

This^

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[quote=Monkeydad;986480]Are all football forums filled with a bunch of drama queens like this?

Week 1 - Shanahan better get the job done this year.
Week 3 - Looks like Shanahan has turned the team around.
Week 5 - Shanahan is losing this team!
Week 7 - Shanahan has lost this team!
Week 9 - Fire Shanahan!
Week 11 - Maybe Shanahan is smarter than we thought!
Week 13 - Shanahan is saving his job!
Week 17 - Shanahan is a genius! What a bright future he's brought to us!
The next week - I've lost faith in Shanahan! I'm selling my RGIII jersey that has only hung in my closet all year![/quote]

We do have the best Arm chair quarterbacks in the league..

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To me the bottom line is this MS is the coach. He should have pulled RG3 after the 2'nd TD. And as far as that goes, he should not not have played him in the final regualr season games. I am not placing blame on MS but think about this. It would've been better for us to miss the playoff's and not risk a serious injury to RG3 so he can have a longer career... Now all is up in the air because of this injury. I don't think it is career threatening at this point but I DO BELIEVE he has shortened RG3's career at this point.

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I have heard and read a few "Football" people weigh in on this issue...like Jaws, Trent Dilfer, Herm Edwards, Mike Golic, Doc Walker and several others who either played the game or coached it.
ALL....universally...support Mike and his decision to play Robert under the circumstances.

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[quote=skinsguy;986449]How many times do we have to hear this until we realize that maybe, JUST MAYBE, some of this blame should be on Robert himself? He knows his body better than anybody else, and God love him for being a warrior and willing to fight on one leg, but the coach does not have all the freakin' time in the world to go and chase down the doctor or his assistant coaches and inquire about every single injury. He's got coaching to do, he's got a game he was trying to win. There are a lot of would've, could've, should'ves floating around, but ya know, things happen. Move on. Wish Griffin the best, thank God for a great turnaround of a season. Things are bright for this team.[/quote]

Yeah, lets blame Robert, the 22 year old kid with less than a year of experience playing in the NFL as opposed to blaming the coach who has over 30 years of coaching experiencing in the NFL and should know that when your QB can't run or complete a pass and is limping on one leg, maybe you should pull him out instead of sacrificing him to one of the dirtiest top defense in the league.

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[quote=RFKRat;986719]Never had much faith in Shanahan to begin with. Counting this season the man has won one playoff game in 14 years. But people still talk about him like he's a genius. He's an over the hill, arrogant snob of a coach and now his arrogance/stupidity has most likely cost the Redskins their franchise player. Anyone who thinks RG3 will come back the same is kidding themselves.[/quote]

Wherever you've been for the last three months...please go back

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Forget whether or not anyone knew the extent of RGIII's at the time - they should have pulled him because he couldn't perform anymore! If he was hobbling around hurt but still making plays despite it all, that's one thing, but he couldn't do shit! Anyway, I hope the guy is able to recover and doesn't come back until he's 100%.

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[quote=RFKRat;986719]Never had much faith in Shanahan to begin with. Counting this season the man has won one playoff game in 14 years. But people still talk about him like he's a genius. He's an over the hill, arrogant snob of a coach and now his arrogance/stupidity has most likely cost the Redskins their franchise player. Anyone who thinks RG3 will come back the same is kidding themselves.[/quote]

Ever heard of a guy called....Patrick Ramsey?
Just askin'........