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[quote=12thMan;987073]Per Grant Paulsen: Talked to a renowned surgeon who's operated on countless world-class athletes. Said 6-8 month recovery timetable: realistic, not assured....I found particularly interesting from my convo w/ the renowned doctor: RG3's previous ACL tear won't add time to rehab/recovery.[/quote]

It sounds like to me, that at least by Dr. Andrews' high standards, the previous surgery may not have been up to par. Although it was not completely torn, he decided to completely re-do the prior procedure and replace it entirely. Perhaps that contributed to the injury? If not, at least we can be reassured that it should be even stronger than before now.



Side note, is anyone else seeing the MendMyKnee.com ad on top of the page? Funny, a little.

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My mom had her knee replaced at age 73 and over a yr latter she is not a 100% so I'm guessing RGIII will not play in 2013.

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[quote=Monkeydad;987077]It sounds like to me, that at least by Dr. Andrews' high standards, the previous surgery may not have been up to par. Although it was not completely torn, he decided to completely re-do the prior procedure and replace it entirely. Perhaps that contributed to the injury? If not, at least we can be reassured that it should be even stronger than before now.



Side note, is anyone else seeing the MendMyKnee.com ad on top of the page? Funny, a little.[/quote]

Hopefully, hate comparing to AP's injury but hopefully it has a similar result, or Welker's knee, or Brady's. Well it comes back just as good if not better. Except with brady it took two seasons to recover completely.

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[quote=ashvirtually;987026][B]Said I was going to stay away, but your increased circumspection today, BHA, has made me have to comment on the above.[/B]
Another role played in all of this is young Robert's fearlessness. I think that's a chink in his armor, a flaw - I think he's fearless to a fault. Now the coach knows that.

I don't think it happens again, either.

And if I'm reading between the lines correctly of the things Robert himself has been saying since Sunday on Facebook, I think he is kicking himself, too, and [I][U]maybe[/U][/I] he's wizened up about that.[/quote]

Just admit it - you cant quit the warpath. No reason to take a hiatus.

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[quote=firstdown;987082][B]My mom had her knee replaced at age 73[/B] and over a yr latter she is not a 100% so I'm guessing RGIII will not play in 2013.[/quote]

Can she hit an end zone fade?

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@john_keim: Folks: will be tweeting updated convo with Dr. Lehman and how much difference it makes if ACL repaired vs. reconstructed. one word: huge

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[quote=firstdown;987082]My mom had her knee replaced at age 73 and over a yr latter she is not a 100% so I'm guessing RGIII will not play in 2013.[/quote]

People heal a lot more quickly when they are 22 than when they are 73.

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Hey First, could your mom jump into the stands at FedEx before her surgery?

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[quote=Lotus;987094]People heal a lot more quickly when they are 22 than when they are 73.[/quote]

I'm thinking he was being sarcastic..... Well I hope so anyway.

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[quote=firstdown;987082]My mom had her knee replaced at age 73 and over a yr latter she is not a 100% so I'm guessing RGIII will not play in 2013.[/quote]

[IMG]http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/Th3L0neW0lf/Brilliant.png[/IMG]

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;987091]@john_keim: Folks: will be tweeting updated convo with Dr. Lehman and how much difference it makes if ACL repaired vs. reconstructed. one word: huge[/quote]

Negatively or positively? And in what regard recovery time or overall knee ligament health?

The problem we have going on right now is we have to few doctors that have examined Griffin and more leahman opinions or professional options dealing with other patients not named Robert Griffin III.

I want to hear from Dr Andrews specifically before anyone else. He is one of the only people on the planet right now who has a very good understanding of Robert and more in particular Robert's knee.

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I just want to report that the surgery with Robert this morning went wonderful. My mate Dr. Andrews had some trouble with the Davinci machine at first, but he was golden after I gave him a rundown on how to operate it. As with any patient confidentiality statement, I cannot comment on the actual damage to the Robert's knee, but I'm sure the Redskins PR staff will be along shortly to blow smoke up the fanbase's ass to keep them from bailing next season.


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(warpath MD)

@granthpaulsen: One thing I found particularly interesting from my convo w/ the renowned doctor: RG3's previous ACL tear won't add time to rehab/recovery.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;987109]Negatively or positively? And in what regard recovery time or overall knee ligament health?

The problem we have going on right now is we have to few doctors and more leahman opinions.

I want to hear from Dr Andrews specifically before anyone else. He is one of the only people on the planet right now who has a very good understanding of Robert and more in particular Robert's knee.[/quote]

Positively .... And yes I agree. I wanna hear more from Andrews

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Redskins ‏@Redskins (multiple tweets follow)

Dr. James Andrews performed surgery this morning on #Redskins QB @RGIII and released the following statement "@RGIII had successful knee surgery early this morning. He had a direct repair of his LCL and a re-do of his previous ACL reconstruction. We expect a full recovery and it is everybody's hope and belief that due to @RGIII's high motivation, he will be ready for the 2013 season. The goal of his treatment is to give him the best opportunity for a long professional career."

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;987116]Redskins ‏@Redskins (multiple tweets follow)

Dr. James Andrews performed surgery this morning on #Redskins QB @RGIII and released the following statement "@RGIII had successful knee surgery early this morning. He had a direct repair of his LCL and a re-do of his previous ACL reconstruction. We expect a full recovery and it is everybody's hope and belief that due to @RGIII's high motivation, he will be ready for the 2013 season. The goal of his treatment is to give him the best opportunity for a long professional career."

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4m Redskins Redskins ‏@Redskins[/quote]that's what i like to hear

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And from Robert Griffin 3 (thru HTTR24_7)
LL ‏@HTTR24_7

RGIII "One thing I won’t do personally is quit, or play scared. I’ve never played scared in my life"

I don't want him to play scared or quit, but I do want him to play smarter (which I believe he was starting to do until he made that cut back in the Ravens game :( )

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;987119]And from Robert Griffin 3 (thru HTTR24_7)
LL ‏@HTTR24_7

RGIII "One thing I won’t do personally is quit, or play scared. I’ve never played scared in my life"

I don't want him to play scared or quit, but I do want him to play smarter (which I believe he was starting to do until he made that cut back in the Ravens game :( )[/quote]

He did that same stupid shit in the Seahawks game. A play where he tried to squeeze another yard out on the sideline. If the kid doesn't learn, we can forget this ride and might as well prepare for the next QB. He simply will not last. Nobody wants him to play scared. We want him to play smart. Nobody is questioning Manning or Brady's toughness when they slide. Sad thing is, I still don't think the kid gets it.

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[quote=NC_Skins;987121]He did that same stupid shit in the Seahawks game. A play where he tried to squeeze another yard out on the sideline. If the kid doesn't learn, we can forget this ride and might as well prepare for the next QB. He simply will not last. Nobody wants him to play scared. We want him to play smart. Nobody is questioning Manning or Brady's toughness when they slide. Sad thing is, I still don't think the kid gets it.[/quote]

You can still ball out and be smart. He knows that.

Man you sure love to beast mode everything.

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[quote=Mattyk;987122]You can still ball out and be smart. He knows that.

Man you sure love to beast mode everything.[/quote]


For somebody that "knows that", he certainly isn't displaying it. Kid has already been knocked out of 2 games, and sat out a full game on things that could have been avoided. These weren't hits in the pocket, these weren't from some uncontrollable force. These were direct results of not sliding, not running out of bounds and so on. You call that beast mode, I call it calling a spade a spade. I want this kid around for the long term because I realize our success is going to be tied to this kid. I think you are giving him a pass, and it's evident by you saying "he knows that". I think his decision making so far proves the opposite.

For the record, I have no problem with RGIII running. None. It's just if he can avoid the hit, he needs to.

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[quote=NC_Skins;987123]For somebody that "knows that", he certainly isn't displaying it. Kid has already been knocked out of 2 games, and sat out a full game on things that could have been avoided. These weren't hits in the pocket, these weren't from some uncontrollable force. These were direct results of not sliding, not running out of bounds and so on. You call that beast mode, I call it calling a spade a spade. I want this kid around for the long term because I realize our success is going to be tied to this kid. I think you are giving him a pass, and it's evident by you saying "he knows that". I think his decision making so far proves the opposite.

For the record, I have no problem with RGIII running. None. It's just if he can avoid the hit, he needs to.[/quote]
At 22 I think he can be glad a man at this point.

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The guy is 22 and has succeeded at everything he has attempted. Not just succeeded - excelled. I don't know about you, but, at 22, I was convinced I could run through brick walls and work 90 hour weeks without slowing down. Now imagine Griffin - he has succeeded in part b/c somewhere, deep in his heart of hearts, he believes he is superman.

On one hand, he is smart enought to hear and understands the "gotta protect myself better" message. On the other, I am sure there is a part of him that says "I can do this" that, on occassion, over rides his good sense. With time will come wisdom.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;987128]The guy is 22 and has succeeded at everything he has attempted. Not just succeeded - excelled. I don't know about you, but, at 22, I was convinced I could run through brick walls and work 90 hour weeks without slowing down. Now imagine Griffin - he has succeeded in part b/c somewhere, deep in his heart of hearts, he believes he is superman.

On one hand, he is smart enought to hear and understands the "gotta protect myself better" message. On the other, I am sure there is a part of him that says "I can do this" that, on occassion, over rides his good sense. With time will come wisdom.[/quote]

Great post, so true. He's so young and a freak physical specimen, so I'm not too worried about his ability to make a full recovery from this. But at 22, I'm sure he still has, or at least had, the invincibility myth of youth in full swing. I'm hoping the combination of the concussion in the Atlanta game and now this surgery will reel him in a bit.

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[quote=NC_Skins;987123]For somebody that "knows that", he certainly isn't displaying it. Kid has already been knocked out of 2 games, and sat out a full game on things that could have been avoided. These weren't hits in the pocket, these weren't from some uncontrollable force. These were direct results of not sliding, not running out of bounds and so on. You call that beast mode, I call it calling a spade a spade. I want this kid around for the long term because I realize our success is going to be tied to this kid. I think you are giving him a pass, and it's evident by you saying "he knows that". I think his decision making so far proves the opposite.

For the record, I have no problem with RGIII running. None. It's just if he can avoid the hit, he needs to.[/quote]

There are several things going on:
1) he never took hits like NFL hits in College. These guys are brutal. I think he learned that after the Atlanta game.
2) you can't win on every play. He hates that, it's why he cut back in the Ravens game, or hurdled over a guy in the 4th quarter of one game. That makes him who he is. I think he is learning this. You see him step out of bounds a lot better in the last few games. But the throw to Garcon, was a we need this now play.
3) He has to learn it's about the season/career, not a single play - I hope he learns this and understands it from this last surgery.

One thing is for sure, he is smart, and he will look at his performance and see if it needs to change. I just wonder how much you can change that internal nature that has driven him so long.

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[quote=SkinzWin;987065]Just playing devils advocate here, because I don't want this to happen but I'm going to throw out a name here that was in the exact same position. We all know how that ended.

Let me get your thoughts. Kevin Kolb.[/quote]

Well, we are talking about Kirk Cousins playing (hopefully) a couple of games into the season with a good running game, a solid line, and good receivers. Not considering him as a long term starter for next year.

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[quote=NC_Skins;987123]For somebody that "knows that", he certainly isn't displaying it. Kid has already been knocked out of 2 games, and sat out a full game on things that could have been avoided. These weren't hits in the pocket, these weren't from some uncontrollable force. These were direct results of not sliding, not running out of bounds and so on. You call that beast mode, I call it calling a spade a spade. I want this kid around for the long term because I realize our success is going to be tied to this kid. I think you are giving him a pass, and it's evident by you saying "he knows that". I think his decision making so far proves the opposite.

For the record, I have no problem with RGIII running. None. It's just if he can avoid the hit, he needs to.[/quote]

I'm not giving him a pass at all. I saw him playing much differently after the ATL game, frequently getting down or getting out of bounds when he had to.

In the Balt game yeah he took a big hit trying to get more yards, but in a big game/big situation that's going to happen sometimes.

It's football, you play to win the game.

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Some after shots of the surgery:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/koDgC.jpg[/IMG]

This surgery and recovery will be inconsequential if this offense isn't changed a little bit. They have to make it more pass heavy or this will happen again and again until RG3 is selling used cars in east Texas in 3 years. He's not Mike Vick. He is deadly accurate and has the know how the play a three or four receiver offense on the regular. There should be no reason he doesn't have 35 attempts every single game and 50 yards on the ground. Not 16-20 and 120 rushing yards and a broken back. He can be Tom Brady or Mike Vick. The choice is the coaches.

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[quote=Mattyk;987139]I'm not giving him a pass at all. I saw him playing much differently after the ATL game, frequently getting down or getting out of bounds when he had to.

In the Balt game yeah he took a big hit trying to get more yards, but in a big game/big situation that's going to happen sometimes.

It's football, you play to win the game.[/quote]

I agree. He did play differently after getting a concussion. You saw him slide (sometimes head first) a lot more often even on option plays. Baltimore game he got hit from behind, trying to slide. It was unlucky.

Seattle you may have seen him take more chances, it is a playoff game.

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[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Statement-From-Dr-Andrews-On-Griffin-III/60be728d-6d13-4e88-a995-36eadf3da0f9]Statement From Dr. Andrews On Griffin III[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;987138]Well, we are talking about Kirk Cousins playing (hopefully) a couple of games into the season with a good running game, a solid line, and good receivers. Not considering him as a long term starter for next year.[/quote]

No disrespect but, you don't really expect RG3 back "a couple of games into the season" do you? Please don't do that to yourself. RG3 will be extremely lucky to play by mid November.

Kirk Cousins will be the starter for most or all of 2013. If RG3 was a simple drop back pass type of QB, ((maybe)) he could play by seasons end, but even then I highly doubt it.

There is no way Redskins make the same mistake twice... Even with Doc Andrews pep talking us.

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[quote=Mattyk;987139]I'm not giving him a pass at all. I saw him playing much differently after the ATL game, frequently getting down or getting out of bounds when he had to.

In the Balt game yeah he took a big hit trying to get more yards, but in a big game/big situation that's going to happen sometimes.

It's football, you play to win the game.[/quote]

Thank you!! i have been saying this over and over . . . seems nobody thinks RGIII learned anything from the Atlanta game because he got hurt in the Baltimore game . . . the way he got hurt against the ravens could just as easily have happened to a standard pocket passer as it did to him . . . i too have noticed that he slides earlier and heads out of bounds quicker . . . and love the big game go for it attitude which will be necessary at many points during his career (well hopefully we are in big situations, i believe we will be in many)

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A few questions someone may help me with:[LIST=1][*]Isn't a lot harder to come back from a second of these injuries to the same leg?[*]Why do the NFL teams pick a doctor? Shouldn't the NFLPA enploy the doctors? Conflict of interest, IMO.[*]How much you think it will hurt RG3 to miss training camp? This isn't a 5 year vet we are talking about.[*]Who looks over the feild and determines it is safe to play on? The refs?[/LIST]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;987132]There are several things going on:
1) he never took hits like NFL hits in College. These guys are brutal. I think he learned that after the Atlanta game.
2) you can't win on every play. He hates that, it's why he cut back in the Ravens game, or hurdled over a guy in the 4th quarter of one game. That makes him who he is. I think he is learning this. You see him step out of bounds a lot better in the last few games. But the throw to Garcon, was a we need this now play.
3) He has to learn it's about the season/career, not a single play - I hope he learns this and understands it from this last surgery.

[B]One thing is for sure, he is smart, and he will look at his performance and see if it needs to change. I just wonder how much you can change that internal nature that has driven him so long[/B].[/quote]

I think this is the tricky part. His legs have been his security blanket his entire career. Can he ever realize how good his arm is when he knows a big play is a few steps that way?

I still think RG3 can be a very good QB without olympic quality speed. He can rely on speed to help him out of a collapsing pocket, but has to forget speed when the option of run or throw it away is what he has to choose from. If he doesnt learn that throwing it away is a good thing, then its going to be a tough road for him in the NFL.

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[quote=Skinzman;987147]I think this is the tricky part. His legs have been his security blanket his entire career. Can he ever realize how good his arm is when he knows a big play is a few steps that way?
[/quote]

In college, he threw for 78 TDs and only 17 INTs, 67.1% in basically 3 seasons. His senior year, 72.4% passing with 37 TDs and 6 INTs.

I think he realizes he can throw the ball. Those sounds like the stats of a pass-first QB to me too. Of course he did run for 33 more TDs, but he can succeed in the NFL even if he can't run at all.

Do you know he even punted 4 times for a 40-yard average with a long of 59 yards?

He caught 3 passes too.

He can do anything and everything.

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We drafted RGIII specifically for his style of play. I'm not saying he can't be an elite "traditional" quarterback, but that would be a waste of his talents at this point in time. RGIII didnt get hurt doing anything Aaron Rodgers doesnt do frequently.

The reason RGIII had to have this surgery is because of how he and team handled his earlier injuries. He played in games where he really should have been inactive.

I dont want RGIII to return earlier than he should and play as a pure pocket passer - kirk cousins can do that. I want RGIII to return when he can play HIS style of play, like he did against Stl Louis, and not a moment sooner. The only thing RGIII needs to adjust on the field is to continue to slide when in the open field, instead of gaining another yard or two and taking an unnecessary hit.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;987151]We drafted RGIII specifically for his style of play. I'm not saying he can't be an elite "traditional" quarterback, but that would be a waste of his talents at this point in time. RGIII didnt get hurt doing anything Aaron Rodgers doesnt do frequently.

The reason RGIII had to have this surgery is because of how he and team handled his earlier injuries. He played in games where he really should have been inactive.

I dont want RGIII to return earlier than he should and play as a pure pocket passer - kirk cousins can do that. I want RGIII to return when he can play HIS style of play, like he did against Stl Louis, and not a moment sooner. The only thing RGIII needs to adjust on the field is to continue to slide when in the open field, instead of gaining another yard or two and taking an unnecessary hit.[/quote]

Im very much on the same page with you.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;987151]We drafted RGIII specifically for his style of play. I'm not saying he can't be an elite "traditional" quarterback, but that would be a waste of his talents at this point in time. RGIII didnt get hurt doing anything Aaron Rodgers doesnt do frequently.

The reason RGIII had to have this surgery is because of how he and team handled his earlier injuries. He played in games where he really should have been inactive.

I dont want RGIII to return earlier than he should and play as a pure pocket passer - kirk cousins can do that. I want RGIII to return when he can play HIS style of play, like he did against Stl Louis, and not a moment sooner. The only thing RGIII needs to adjust on the field is to continue to slide when in the open field, instead of gaining another yard or two and taking an unnecessary hit.[/quote]I totally agree with you, and explain my reasoning in another thread I started, [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/51303-to-read-option-or-not.html"]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/51303-to-read-option-or-not.html[/URL]

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[quote=Paintrain;987002][url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/20/sports/nfl-schedule-makers-try-their-best-to-please-everybody.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0[/url]

There's this awesome free service available to those using the World Wide Web called Google. It allows you to search for information by simply entering a few key words. There are similar services like Bing, Yahoo, etc.

I'm not sure if they've been tested but at first use, they seem to be slightly more accurate than extracting information from your anus.[/quote]

Next time you ask a question on this site, I'm going to reference you to google and end my statement with a "F*ck you, Have a nice day!" :)

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[quote=Mattyk;987139]It's football, you play to win the game.[/quote]

I feel like I heard this somewhere before.

The surgery went well, he'll come back strong. Feeling much more relieved today.

RGIII has heart, players like him don't pull themselves out of games, he was going to crawl back onto the field if the coaches didn't directly pull him out of the game. It wasn't like it was pre-season or even the regular season. It was the playoffs!

"But we're talking about playoffs man. What are we talking about? Playoffs? We're talking about playoffs, man. We're talking about playoffs. We're talking about playoffs. We aint talking about the regular season. We're talking about playoffs, man." - edited to apply to RGIII