Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

It depends what the Jets new GM wants in exchange for Revis...this is a trade Vinny Cerratto would have been stupid enough to make....possibly sending a 1st rounder to the Jets for Revis...Vinny makes me laugh because of how incompetent he was as a GM....but Allen and Shanahan would do the wise thing....tell the Jets that this guy is coming off an ACL injury where he missed the whole season, but for all we know, he's not worth nothing more than a 4th round pick....and we'll throw in a 2nd string player to go along with the deal....

If the Jets GM does not agree, then it's no big deal...but at least we don't gamble on a player coming off a season ending injury....

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=donofriose;990954]I obviously agree with that. But the more valuable position to a defense is an outside linebacker that creates pressure. Plus orakpo won't take around 15 million in cap space.[/quote]

No its not. Its a corner who can effectively take away 1 half the field or play the best man coverage in the game.

Orakpo and his skill set are not all pro like Revis

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=Chico23231;991012]No its not. Its a corner who can effectively take away 1 half the field or play the best man coverage in the game.

Orakpo and his skill set are not all pro like Revis[/quote]

You gonna give him 100+ million, 40 mill guaranteed?

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[quote=Evilgrin;991019]You gonna give him 100+ million, 40 mill guaranteed?[/quote]

No, but someone will. He's been the best CB in the last 5 years. Thats too much money still.

But in regards to Orakpo, how much are you gonna give him? Think alot people are gonna be surprised when we let him walk, Carlos style.

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[quote=Chico23231;991025]No, but someone will. He's been the best CB in the last 5 years. Thats too much money still.

But in regards to Orakpo, how much are you gonna give him? Think alot people are gonna be surprised when we let him walk, Carlos style.[/quote]

I don't know, alot less then revis. Not that I'm part of the orakpo vs revis thing. I'm against revis for his massive contract.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=Evilgrin;991027]I don't know, alot less then revis. Not that I'm part of the orakpo vs revis thing. I'm against revis for his massive contract.[/quote]

Right but to compare Orakpo to Revis? Its not close, at all.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;991029]Right but to compare Orakpo to Revis? Its not close, at all.[/QUOTE]

Orakpo has been a bust IMO. Sorry but he's a 1st rounder and really has only had 1 good season. Not even close to compare, revis is elite

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=NC_Skins;990938][url=http://www.nyjetscap.com/2013_Articles/trading-darrelle-revis.html]Trading Darrelle Revis...[/url]



A damn good writeup.[/quote]


And I'm thrilled that the Skins are not mentioned as a possible destination for him. The Vinnie days are so absolutely, positively over...

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;991030]Orakpo has been a bust IMO. Sorry but he's a 1st rounder and really has only had 1 good season. Not even close to compare, revis is elite[/quote]

When he was healthy he was rated 15th by PFF in sacks, hits, hurries. He's definately an effective pass rusher. Thats where he ranked in pressures per play, it wasn't an opinion stat.

I wouldn't make a trade for revis for anything, because he's gonna be free agent after this coming season no matter how much you give up for him.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;991030]Orakpo has been a bust IMO. Sorry but he's a 1st rounder and really has only had 1 good season. Not even close to compare, revis is elite[/quote]

That's a bit strong of a criticism. We saw this season how much of a difference Rak makes; and for the entirety of '11 he was playing injured. Certainly he hasn't been what we hoped, and he definitely isn't the game changer that Revis is, but he's a very good player who would start on any team; you can't reasonably expect much more than that from a mid-first round pick. You can want more and you can hope for more, but you can't expect more. He's far from a bust.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

I would rather sign Talib and use 1st two picks on secondary than trading for Revis and and signing him to a huge contract.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

I love RAK like the rest of us here and I hope he stays in DC and proves me wrong but he's really only had 1 good year and i'm not saying Kerrigan is better but he at least plays every game. I guess we'll see next season if Rak can be that guy for us

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

I worry bout the reoccurance of that injury with Rak. I like Rak and think he is an important part of the defense and would like to see him stay. I dont think he is a bust, but I do think he is replacable. Hopefully he comes back 100% and gets double digit sacks.

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Rak has been far from a bust. A two time Pro Bowler? Avg of almost 10 sacks per season in his first 3 years? C'mon now. :doh:

Just another example of how that term "bust" gets tossed around way too easily.

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[quote=Mattyk;991043]Rak has been far from a bust. A two time Pro Bowler? Avg of almost 10 sacks per season in his first 3 years? C'mon now. :doh:

Just another example of how that term "bust" gets tossed around way too easily.[/quote]


Ok Ok well maybe I'm just bitter that he hasn't been that DWare type of player but I don't think he's a Bum by any means. I just expected more from him after that great rookie yr. If Griffin's numbers go down in years 2,3 and misses all of year 4 some would call him a bust I'm sure.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;991048]Ok Ok well maybe I'm just bitter that he hasn't been that DWare type of player but I don't think he's a Bum by any means. I just expected more from him after that great rookie yr. If Griffin's numbers go down in years 2,3 and misses all of year 4 some would call him a bust I'm sure.[/quote]

Rak has been rock solid and consistent. Look at his numbers during years 1-3, practically mirror images of each other.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/brianorakpo/71423/careerstats]Brian Orakpo: Career Stats at NFL.com[/url]

So he's not D-Ware, not many guys are.

But when you have two OLB's in the 3-4 that can bring you around 10 sacks each per year like Kerrigan and Rak, that's pretty damn good.

The term bust should be reserved for guys that flat out can't play. Just a pet peeve of mine.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=Mattyk;991050]Rak has been rock solid and consistent. Look at his numbers during years 1-3, practically mirror images of each other.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/player/brianorakpo/71423/careerstats"]Brian Orakpo: Career Stats at NFL.com[/URL]

So he's not D-Ware, not many guys are.

But when you have two OLB's in the 3-4 that can bring you around 10 sacks each per year like Kerrigan and Rak, that's pretty damn good.

The term bust should be reserved for guys that flat out can't play. Just a pet peeve of mine.[/quote]


Your right Bust is like Maybin or Gholston. Like I said I want RAK to be there and I hope he can come back healthy and help our horrid pass rush next yr

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[quote=Mattyk;991050]Rak has been rock solid and consistent. Look at his numbers during years 1-3, practically mirror images of each other.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/brianorakpo/71423/careerstats]Brian Orakpo: Career Stats at NFL.com[/url]

So he's not D-Ware, not many guys are.

But when you have two OLB's in the 3-4 that can bring you around 10 sacks each per year like Kerrigan and Rak, that's pretty damn good.

The term bust should be reserved for guys that flat out can't play. Just a pet peeve of mine.[/quote]

Remember 2008 when Andre Carter led the Redskins with 4 sacks? Yeah, me neither. Probably because Rak has averaged almost 10 since he got here, obviously this year excluded. Rak might not be a D-Ware or Jared Allen, but if anybody here thinks we're better off without him they should feel free to examine the years when we had no pass rush.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=Mattyk;991050]Rak has been rock solid and consistent. Look at his numbers during years 1-3, practically mirror images of each other.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/brianorakpo/71423/careerstats]Brian Orakpo: Career Stats at NFL.com[/url]

So he's not D-Ware, not many guys are.

But when you have two OLB's in the 3-4 that can bring you around 10 sacks each per year like Kerrigan and Rak, that's pretty damn good.

The term bust should be reserved for guys that flat out can't play. Just a pet peeve of mine.[/quote]

If Elvis Dumervil can do it, so can Rak.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=mooby;991083]Remember 2008 when Andre Carter led the Redskins with 4 sacks? Yeah, me neither. Probably because Rak has averaged almost 10 since he got here, obviously this year excluded. Rak might not be a D-Ware or Jared Allen, but if anybody here thinks we're better off without him they should feel free to examine the years when we had no pass rush.[/quote]


No, lets trade him for a 4th rounder and a conditional 7th.

But seriously,

Brian Orakpo
Ryan Kerrigan
Stephen Bowen
Jarvis Jenkins
Aqib Talib
Tyrann Mathieu
Phillip Thomas/David Amerson/Xavier Rhodes/Baccari Rambo

If we can get Ray Ray Armstrong as a 5th or 6th rounder that is just gravy.

That is a good core for a defense to me

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;991095]No, lets trade him for a 4th rounder and a conditional 7th.

But seriously,

Brian Orakpo
Ryan Kerrigan
Stephen Bowen
Jarvis Jenkins
Aqib Talib
Tyrann Mathieu
Phillip Thomas/David Amerson/Xavier Rhodes/Baccari Rambo

If we can get Ray Ray Armstrong as a 5th or 6th rounder that is just gravy.

That is a good core for a defense to me[/quote]

I agree just thinking of that lineup makes me think of all the great possibilities with this team.

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;991095]No, lets trade him for a 4th rounder and a conditional 7th.

But seriously,

Brian Orakpo
Ryan Kerrigan
Stephen Bowen
Jarvis Jenkins
Aqib Talib
Tyrann Mathieu
Phillip Thomas/David Amerson/Xavier Rhodes/Baccari Rambo

If we can get Ray Ray Armstrong as a 5th or 6th rounder that is just gravy.

That is a good core for a defense to me[/QUOTE]

Mathieu!!! Please be a redskin

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

103 posts on a guy that absolutely isn't coming here. yay!

again, good player, but not for us.

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[quote=That Guy;991103][B]103 posts on a guy that absolutely isn't coming here. yay![/B]
again, good player, but not for us.[/quote]

Hmmm, things being discussed [I]ad nauseum[/I]: Free agents we aren't going to sign, draft trades we're not going to make, imaginary girl friends and puppies.

Welcome to the offseason!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;991110]Hmmm, things being discussed [I]ad nauseum[/I]: Free agents we aren't going to sign, draft trades we're not going to make, imaginary girl friends and puppies.

Welcome to the offseason![/quote]

I like puppies...

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;991110]Hmmm, things being discussed [I]ad nauseum[/I]: Free agents we aren't going to sign, draft trades we're not going to make, imaginary girl friends and puppies.

Welcome to the offseason![/QUOTE]

considering we are not discussing:
coaches we should fire
our owner under cutting our head coach a la dallas
circus show news reports a la NYJ
Shanny with an RG3 tattoo
how we traded up to the 10th spot to take a qb then got our HC fired the next season.

I think I am ok with the threads going on. Its a good time to be a skins fan!

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

We will win back most of that 18 million, they have no ground to stand on. no judge would let this happen in his courtroom. If Revis is available and Danny wants him, he will be a Redskin, for better or worse

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=RGIII10/ALMO46;991186]We will win back most of that 18 million, they have no ground to stand on. no judge would let this happen in his courtroom. If Revis is available and Danny wants him, he will be a Redskin, for better or worse[/quote]

Someone had their serving of optimism flakes this morning.

/pisses in them.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

Amazing that some still think we're getting that $$ back. Or that Snyder is calling any shots.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=Mattyk;991199]Amazing that some still think we're getting that $$ back. Or that Snyder is calling any shots.[/quote]

Well we're probably not getting the $$ back at least...

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[quote=Mattyk;991199]Amazing that some still think we're getting that $$ back. Or that Snyder is calling any shots.[/quote]Isn't it understandable that people think Snyder still calls shots, after we found out he wasn't hands-off when Gibbs was here?

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/03/AR2008090303970_3.html?sid=ST2008090304291"]
Cerrato: "No matter what anyone from the outside thinks, everybody has always had input in the decisions," he said. "Everybody has always had a say, and that's not changing. Before, it was Joe and I walking down the hall to talk to Dan about what our game plan was. Now, it'll be Jim and I walking down the hall to talk to Dan about the game plan." [/URL]

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/dan-snyder-joe-gibbs-and-being-hands-off/2011/06/03/AGi1ryHH_blog.html"]So, at the risk of being obsessed, let me point out that during the Gibbs Era, there was no meddling and nobody talked to Dan Snyder about football and all he did was sign the checks, and also the draft strategy was based on his philosophy and he was instrumental in shaping the team’s free agency approach and he met with draft prospects and watched their workouts. Got it.[/URL]

I hope Snyder really is hands off now, but that might depend on what the definition of "hands off" means.

Matty, how much distance does a typical "hands-off" NFL owner put between himself and the day-to-day football-side of management?

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[quote=HailGreen28;991209]Isn't it understandable that people think Snyder still calls shots, after we found out he wasn't hands-off when Gibbs was here?

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/03/AR2008090303970_3.html?sid=ST2008090304291"]
Cerrato: "No matter what anyone from the outside thinks, everybody has always had input in the decisions," he said. "Everybody has always had a say, and that's not changing. Before, it was Joe and I walking down the hall to talk to Dan about what our game plan was. Now, it'll be Jim and I walking down the hall to talk to Dan about the game plan." [/URL]

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/dan-snyder-joe-gibbs-and-being-hands-off/2011/06/03/AGi1ryHH_blog.html"]So, at the risk of being obsessed, let me point out that during the Gibbs Era, there was no meddling and nobody talked to Dan Snyder about football and all he did was sign the checks, and also the draft strategy was based on his philosophy and he was instrumental in shaping the team’s free agency approach and he met with draft prospects and watched their workouts. Got it.[/URL]

I hope Snyder really is hands off now, but that might depend on what the definition of "hands off" means.

Matty, how much distance does a typical "hands-off" NFL owner put between himself and the day-to-day football-side of management?[/quote]

Owners have the final say and thats the only one that matters.

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[quote=44ever;991210]Owners have the final say and thats the only one that matters.[/quote]I think so too. There just seems to me a vast gulf between the articles I quoted, and what smootsmack said in his awesome "understanding the scouting process" thread. I believe SS, and really hope Snyder's changed that much in [B][U]all areas[/U][/B] of the "football side" of club operations. But I heard the same "Snyder's changed" mantra when Gibbs was here too, when in hindsight he hadn't changed. And I wonder now how owners thought of as "hands off" really do a lot more than just "sign checks".

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

Every owner has final say, even those like Paul Allen who are so out of touch with what's going on with their team. Sometimes the final say is "it's your decision" but it's still their call.

It is Snyder's team but no he's not intrusive in his involvement. Allen and Shanahan are the day to day bosses

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;991095]No, lets trade him for a 4th rounder and a conditional 7th.

But seriously,

Brian Orakpo
Ryan Kerrigan
Stephen Bowen
Jarvis Jenkins
Aqib Talib
Tyrann Mathieu
Phillip Thomas/David Amerson/Xavier Rhodes/Baccari Rambo

If we can get Ray Ray Armstrong as a 5th or 6th rounder that is just gravy.

That is a good core for a defense to me[/QUOTE]

Three cheers for Ray Ray. Hope he is on the radar. Complete steel as a fifth rounder and beyond.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=Mattyk;991199]Amazing that some still think we're getting that $$ back. Or that Snyder is calling any shots.[/quote]

The jury is still out. But if the Redskins can get some of that money back, it would be excellent. But like you I doubt if they will be able to.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

can anybody tell me about how much under the cap we are?are ever getting the money back?,i was thinking about trying to get revis but at what price .

[QUOTE=bigant;991547]can anybody tell me about how much under the cap we are?are ever getting the money back?,i was thinking about trying to get revis but at what price .[/QUOTE]

No we are never getting the money back.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

For emphasis since some just are not getting it:

[SIZE="7"]WE ARE NOT GETTING ANY OF THE CAP PENALTY BACK. NOT NOW. NOT EVER. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.[/SIZE]

[SIZE="5"]YES. IT WAS UNFAIR. YES. IT WAS PROBABLY A VIOLATION OF THE PRIOR CBA AND EVIDENCE OF COLLUSIVE BEHAVIOR BY THE NFL OWNERS. NO - THAT [I]DOES NOT [/I]MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.

SOMETIMES BAD THINGS HAPPEN AND THERE IS NO REMEDY. SUCK IT UP AND MOVE ON.[/SIZE]

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

For those of you who understood the above, I apologize for yelling - internet style.

Waiting for punch's post: "So, I get it, but does that mean we will never get the cap space back?"