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[quote=JoeRedskin;992005]Well, to play devil's advocate, the issue isn't what they are doing in the bedroom, but, rather, what they might be doing and <gasp> thinking in the locker room.

Hey 44, they want you man ... they really, really want you. Desparetely. :doh:

Seriously, if a gay wants to check you out, he doesn't need a locker room to do it.[/quote]

It comes down to homophobia and insecurity, simple as that.

As a straight guy if I was in a locker room and a gay guy caught a shot of my ween, why the F would I care if I'm totally secure with myself and have zero interest in that? Homophobes I'm tellin' ya.

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If you played teams sports odds are you've already played with a 'gay'.
If the military can adapt then football will.

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I effing *hate* the offseason, Ver. 3,501 and counting.

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[quote=firstdown;992004]I really don't think this thread is about that. Its more about gay men in a locker room with other men. I personally can see how another male might not like sharing a bathroom and showers with a gay male. If its right or wrong I can understand. Not sure why that is so hard for other people to see. Its one thing to allow gays a normal life style but when your asking other men to share personal space you then need to also take their feeling into consideration. What the player said was not that bad but how he said it was not very good.[/quote]

I think it's a bigger issue than a guy not wanting to shower or be nude near a gay guy. Some people still cannot accept homosexuality, period.

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Lockerroom/shower thing is kinda silly for any of us that go to a gym.

Anyways, why isn't Jerry Smith in the HoF?

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[quote=30gut;992007]If you played teams sports odds are you've already played with a 'gay'.
If the military can adapt then football will.[/quote]

This.

Gay folks are already in the locker room, so the question isn't whether or not they can be there. The question is whether they can come out or whether they must be secretive. And that shouldn't be a difficult question.

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[quote=Evilgrin;992012]Lockerroom/shower thing is kinda silly for any of us that go to a gym.

[B]Anyways, why isn't Jerry Smith in the HoF[/B]?[/quote]

B/c he was caught staring at Goodell's junk in the shower.

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[quote=RedskinRat;992008]I effing *hate* the offseason, Ver. 3,501 and counting.[/quote]

... still think hell doesn't exist? :laughing2

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[quote=hooskins;991893]This isnt much different than race imo. 5 to 10 percent of the population is estimated to be gay just like X percent of the population is Y race. Keep your personal views to yourself since this country (thankfully) prevents employment discrimination.

And I love how homophobics think every gay person is going to want to sleep with them or is somehow aroused. So stupid.

Also gay vs straight isnt as black and white as society makes it to be. Its better viewed as a spectrum. Or even in a Cartesian plane with bi sexuality vs non bi sexuality (dont recall the specific term) as the other axis. Actually would be even better if we add a third axis/dimension for asexual vs sexual. Everyone has a point (x, y, z) on that 3d chart. That would be the best way to look at it.[/quote]

homophobic is a term i've never understood. i dont think many people are actually "afraid" of gay people. some people have religious beliefs which teach homosexuality is a sin. Some people have a hatred for homosexuals. some people are outspoken of this hatred and act on it in deplorable ways, including using violence. but few people are actually "afraid" of gay people. If there are people who are generally afraid of gay people, then "homophobic" would apply to them, but its one of those words that bothers me because its broadly misused. that said, in the sense you used it, you were referring to people to whom the term would apply. Just wanted to throw that out there.

regarding the NFL, i expressed this in the Te'o thread, but i would be afraid for an openly gay player in the NFL. His teammates could discriminate against him. If oppenents knew it, they'd almost certainly use that on the field to trash talk the player, no doubt using alot of gay slurs. I think that would be grounds for an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, which would detract from the game.

Ultimately, I'd prefer not to know anything about a player's sex life and watch them play football.

Dude is looking like a fool now saying "that's not in my heart " and " I'm sorry I didn't mean it " lol whatever dude be a man and admit what u said was how u feel

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I have no problem with gays and believe they are entitled to everything heterosexuals have.

But it [I][U]personally[/U][/I] brothers me when they are next to me in the locker room. Sorry if that hurts someone's feelings. I also don't like vanilla ice cream. Who am I hurting or limiting their rights by saying I don't like standing next to a gay man in a locker room?

There is a reason why they have a men's locker room and a women's locker room.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;992002]"it's normal way of life"?? It is the most common and, thus, prevalent in advertising, pop culture, literature and other media. Just because something is uncommon, does not mean it isn't "normal". [I]You[/I] and a substantial number of individuals consider it abnormal for any number of a myriad of reasons. Personally, I find nothing abnormal about homosexual relationships.

Further, from basic human physiology, there is nothing abnormal about it. Some folks are vegitarians, some aren't. Each satisfies a particular physiological appetite (hunger) differently. Neither is "abnormal". Most guys satisfy their physiological appetite for sex with women, some with men and some with either.
[/quote]

Your statements are false. By definition, "normal" means "conforming to the standard or common typle." homosexuality is abnormal, because it does not conform to the standard. vegetarianism is also not normal (in the united states). Both are abnormal, by definition.

You mention physiology, which i find funny, because homosexuality is very unusual and a mystery of evolutionary theory.

However, just because something is abnormal, doesnt mean we should hate it/not tolerate it/discriminate against it in. This socieity would fall apart if we discriminated against people just for being abnormal. In fact, i'm pretty sure most of us have some quirk about our physical appearance, emotional makeup, religion, values, preferences, tastes, etc. that make us abnormal.

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[quote=mredskins;992023]I have no problem with gays and believe they are entitled to everything heterosexuals have.

But it [I][U]personally[/U][/I] brothers me when they are next to me in the locker room. Sorry if that hurts someone's feelings. I also don't like vanilla ice cream. Who am I hurting or limiting their rights by saying I don't like standing next to a gay man in a locker room?

There is a reason why they have a men's locker room and a women's locker room.[/quote]

So are you proposing that a gay man use the womens locker room? Because i'm sure that would make both the gay man, and the majority of women, uncomfortable. I'm also pretty sure that most NFL stadiums dont have women's lockerrooms.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;992005]Well, to play devil's advocate, the issue isn't what they are doing in the bedroom, but, rather, what they might be doing and <gasp> thinking in the locker room.

Hey 44, they want you man ... they really, really want you. Desparetely. :doh:

Seriously, if a gay wants to check you out, he doesn't need a locker room to do it.[/quote]

I thought the issue was free speech, wait or was it morality, now it's just who's checking out whose stuff???

Isn't that like Jr. High (middle school now i guess) garbage.

I do suppose now might not be the best time for a :grouphug:


[SIZE="1"][I]Like most of american societal morass, it'll all be folded into some politically correct non-offending (except to those who are offended) viewpoint which will move the dialogue forward to the same point it was at a week ago, which is to say a never ending circular debate that neither persuades nor dissuades one from the certainty of their viewpoint and the wrongness of the opposition.[/I][/SIZE]

maybe it's time for this one to move on over to the debating with the enemies thread.

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[quote=Mattyk;992010]I think it's a bigger issue than a guy [B]not wanting to shower or be nude near a gay guy[/B]. Some people still cannot accept homosexuality, period.[/quote]

For me it is no bigger issue then that. I accept homosexuality.


For you it doesn't bother you that is fine but at some point you have a line in the sand too where it will bother you. Would you share a bed with a gay man? A tent? Kiss him on the cheeck good bye? ETC... Everyone has their own tolerances.

Also let me be clear too even though it bothers me to have a gay man in the locker room with me I don't believe he should not be allowed in there just because it bothers me. It was my choice to use a public locker room.

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[quote=mredskins;992028]For me it is no bigger issue then that. I accept homosexuality.


For you it doesn't bother you that is fine but at some point you have a line in the sand too where it will bother you. Would you share a bed with a gay man? A tent? Kiss him on the cheeck good bye? ETC... Everyone has their own tolerances.

Also let me be clear too even though it bothers me to have a gay man in the locker room with me I don't believe he should not be allowed in there just because it bothers me. It was my choice to use a public locker room.[/quote]

Damn well said.

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[quote=firstdown;991918]All he really said is that he didn't want gays in his locker room. I'm sure their are plenty of men who would not feel comfortable walking around nude with a gay in the same bathroom. What happend to his right to free speech.[/quote]Nothing happened to his right to free speech. What are you talking about?

He's free to say whatever idiotic things he wants to say, and others are free to point out what out what a jackass he is for saying them. That's free speech in action.

And considering the ratio of homosexuals in society, it's a given that every single player in the NFL has been in the locker room buck naked with a gay or bi or curious dude [B][I]at least[/I][/B] once.

Culliver needs to get a grip, and so does any dude who is bothered by the sexuality of another dude. Just because someone is attracted to men, doesn't mean they give a damn about eyeing me or is attracted to me. I'm not attracted to every woman I see, clothed or not.

See how it works?

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This thread gets an epic: "Wow. Just Wow."

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[quote=44ever;991948]Believe me us strait men don't worry about it or care what you all do among yourselves. But why the need for the coming out announcements and the gay parades ect... If your just gay then just be gay and stop advertising. We don't...

And by you I don't mean you personally just in general.

* snapping my finger in a zig zag motion...*[/quote]You don't speak for me. I'm a straight dude and I'm comfortable enough in my sexuality that the idea of there being a gay dude in the locker room with me, or a gay dude coming out (which is a big deal if you were to educate yourself), or gay people going to parades doesn't give me the creeps because IDGAF, and I find your suggestion above incredibly lame and Culliver's marks incredibly offensive.

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[quote=Mattyk;992006]It comes down to homophobia and insecurity, simple as that.

[B][U]As a straight guy if I was in a locker room and a gay guy caught a shot of my ween, why the F would I care if I'm totally secure with myself and have zero interest in that? [/U][/B] [B]Homophobes I'm tellin' ya.[/B][/quote]Pretty much.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;992033]This thread gets an epic: "Wow. Just Wow."[/quote]

yeah, but you knew would get there eventually. I like how 12th said "How Do You Really Feel?" in the title, with that I thought we'd get there sooner rather than later.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;992017]... still think hell doesn't exist? :laughing2[/quote]

I have a sneaking suspicion that there's a Purgatory, it's name is Warpath.

I can quit any time. Really, I can.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;992024] By definition, "normal" means "conforming to the standard or common typle." homosexuality is abnormal, because it does not conform to the standard. vegetarianism is also not normal (in the united states). Both are abnormal, by definition.

[/quote]

Oi! Don't you belittle MY PEOPLE! Vegetarians are people, too!

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BTW -> @ BHA - Upon reflection, I agree with your assertion of the primary definition of normal and generally agree with the rest of your post. At this point, not going to nit pick about my disagreements.

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[quote=RedskinRat;992039]Oi! Don't you belittle MY PEOPLE! Vegetarians are people, too![/quote]

You may be a person, but you're not normal if you don't put meat in your mouth.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;992042]You may be a person, [B]but you're not normal if you don't put meat in your mouth[/B].[/quote]

I told my wife the same damn thing. <rim shot>

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;992010]I think it's a bigger issue than a guy not wanting to shower or be nude near a gay guy. [B]Some people still cannot accept homosexuality, period.[/[/B]QUOTE]

There will always be people who do not accept homosexuality but that in its self does not make them a bad person. You can, not accept what a person does and still not hate them because of that. Seems anytime someone does not accept homosexuality for one reason or the other they get bash for what they believe.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;992042]You may be a person, but you're not normal if you don't put meat in your mouth.[/quote]

3-0 fastball down the middle...

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;992042]You may be a person, [B]but you're not normal if you don't put meat in your mouth.[/B][/quote]

Don't say that to 44ever in the locker room. :spank:

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;992042]You may be a person, but you're not normal if you don't put meat in your mouth.[/quote]

given the nature of this thread, that just made me laugh hysterically.

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[quote=ashvirtually;992031]Nothing happened to his right to free speech. What are you talking about?

He's free to say whatever idiotic things he wants to say, and others are free to point out what out what a jackass he is for saying them. That's free speech in action.

And considering the ratio of homosexuals in society, it's a given that every single player in the NFL has been in the locker room buck naked with a gay or bi or curious dude [B][I]at least[/I][/B] once.

Culliver needs to get a grip, and so does any dude who is bothered by the sexuality of another dude. Just because someone is attracted to men, doesn't mean they give a damn about eyeing me or is attracted to me. [B]I'm not attracted to every woman I see, clothed or not[/B].

See how it works?[/quote]

Yea, but you check them out anyways. LOL

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;992024]Your statements are false. By definition, "normal" means "conforming to the standard or common typle." homosexuality is abnormal, because it does not conform to the standard. vegetarianism is also not normal (in the united states). Both are abnormal, by definition.

You mention physiology, which i find funny, because homosexuality is very unusual and a mystery of evolutionary theory.

However, just because something is abnormal, doesnt mean we should hate it/not tolerate it/discriminate against it in. This socieity would fall apart if we discriminated against people just for being abnormal. In fact, i'm pretty sure most of us have some quirk about our physical appearance, emotional makeup, religion, values, preferences, tastes, etc. that make us abnormal.[/quote]You are right, of course, but the reason people use "abnormal" when talking about homosexuality is because of the word's negative connotations.

It's a deliberate sleight-of-hand.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;992049]given the nature of this thread, that just made me laugh hysterically.[/quote]

I thought the thread could use some funny.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;992042]You may be a person, but you're not normal if you don't put meat in your mouth.[/quote]

But if she don't eat meat she can still enjoy the bone.

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[quote=firstdown;992045][QUOTE=Mattyk;992010]I think it's a bigger issue than a guy not wanting to shower or be nude near a gay guy. [B]Some people still cannot accept homosexuality, period.[/[/B]QUOTE]

There will always be people who do not accept homosexuality but that in its self does not make them a bad person. You can, not accept what a person does and still not hate them because of that. [B]Seems anytime someone does not accept homosexuality for one reason or the other they get bash for what they believe[/B].[/quote]

People generally don't react well to ignorance or stupidity. Go figure.

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I always wondered why guys have no problems slapping other guys on the butt in sports. Or for anyone who has been involved in any sort of hazing, usually some sort of nudity is involved. All in all a lot of "interesting" behavior is the norm in sports.

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[quote=Mattyk;992056][quote=firstdown;992045]

People generally don't react well to ignorance or stupidity. Go figure.[/quote]

So if someone does not believe in homosexuality or support it they are ignorant or stupid?

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[quote=firstdown;992058][quote=Mattyk;992056]

So if someone does not believe in homosexuality or support it they are ignorant or stupid?[/quote]

Sometimes it's better to just keep things to yourself.

He's perfectly entitled to say what he feels, but to think he doesn't have to deal with any blowback is ridiculous.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;992042]You may be a person, but you're not normal if you don't put meat in your mouth.[/quote]

This thread is fast becoming another cock snorting thread.....

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[quote=firstdown;992058]So if someone does not believe in homosexuality or support it they are ignorant or stupid?[/quote]


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