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[quote=skinsfaninok;992576]That play against Minnesota was one of the best of the year[/quote]

Yup. That was his rookie Heisman moment.

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So then, RGIII is better than Andrew Luck?
Thats a given now?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;992581]So then, RGIII is better than Andrew Luck?
Thats a given now?[/quote]



Maybe ask that question in 15 years.

[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;992581]So then, RGIII is better than Andrew Luck?
Thats a given now?[/QUOTE]

No. Luck is just as good

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Luck RG3 debate will be going on for years. Luck didn't do as well in his rookie season (way too many INTS to the 5 Robert had). They're also 2 different kinds of QBs.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;992589]No. Luck is just as good[/quote]

Look at the stats. Right now he's not and its not even close.

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;992592]Look at the stats. Right now he's not and its not even close.[/QUOTE]

I agree but luck had less help around him than griff did. Other than Reggie Wayne who else did he have? He was asked to do much more than Robert in the passing game. I think both will be neck and neck for years to come.

I just don't get it. Luck lost to Griffin in the Heismann race, he lost substantially in the ROY race, Griffins stat in passer rating, completion percent, total qbr (which I haven't really bought into yet), TD-INT Ratio, total ints not only beat Lucks, but mostly demolish them. if you dont think Griffin is the better player, right now and the past two years, what would you have to see to change your mind? (serious question)

Luck makes some amazing plays, but his body of work is what it is. And right now its not better than Griffins.

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One of the things that went against Luck winning the award was his 18 INTs. Griffin III had only 5. RG3 also plays in a much more tougher division than Luck....and take into consideration all of the rookie records that Robert broke. He deserved the R.O.Y. award.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;992593]I agree but luck had less help around him than griff did. Other than Reggie Wayne who else did he have? He was asked to do much more than Robert in the passing game. I think both will be neck and neck for years to come.[/quote]

Luck had plenty of "help".

Avery had 60 catches, Hilton had 50 as a rookie, Allen and Fleener combined for 71 catches at the TE spot. In the running game Ballard and Brown combined for over 1200 yards.

Luck didn't have to deal with losing his top WR & TE for half the season either.

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[quote=Mattyk;992598]Luck had plenty of "help".

Avery had 60 catches, Hilton had 50 as a rookie, Allen and Fleener combined for 71 catches at the TE spot. In the running game Ballard and Brown combined for over 1200 yards.

Luck didn't have to deal with losing his top WR & TE for half the season either.[/quote]


I'm not a Luck over RG3 guy at all. I'm just saying he's not some scrub. I think he made those guys better as did RG3 with Afl and Paulsen ETC.

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The whole Luck did not have any help is not true at all. Wayne with 100 plus catches, playing the best year of his career, TY Hilton almost had a thousand yards, Avery had 60 catches, the tight ends were both a lot better than Logan Paulsen.

Plus if you have more interceptions than the number of games you played obviously you needed help to win the game.

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well, griff looks all healed up. he'll be playing in the spring league

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/48647/tremendous-achievement-for-rg-iii]Tremendous achievement for RG III - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

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@RGIII: “@Niles_Paul84: That's my Quarterback @RGIII 😖😢 *TO voice* lol” 😂😂😂 Man you got me rolling

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[quote=skinsfaninok;992479]Lol women are very convincing bro[/quote]

Yes, yes they are.

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anyone have video of his acceptance speech?

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The speech wasnt his finest media work. Probably still a little looped up on pain management stuff. Someone else mentioned it. Believe it or not he looked a little nervous.

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I just saw the video on redskins.com with him and Larry Michael... Didn't seem nervous really...

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I don't have the links of the RGIII acceptance speech, but its on YouTube now. I actually recorded the whole NFL Honors show. It was like an Academy Awards show for the NFL and you can find RGIII speech, but the funniest and best parts of the whole show are Alex Baldwin's 10 min opening and AP accepting the Fantasy palyer of the year award, which seems very tongue in cheek to me.

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"It's not what you get for your team, it's what you are willing to give for them." -Griff

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[quote=GMScud;992767]I just saw the video on redskins.com with him and Larry Michael... Didn't seem nervous really...[/quote]

I think the trophy struck the mic and it through him off a beat.

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[url=http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/videos/Robert-Griffin-III-Message-to-Fans/6309c8ce-e820-4bde-9c55-639ac266fc89]Robert Griffin III: Message to Fans[/url]

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Well what I am seeing is that his rehab is already ahead of schedule and he's doing well. Walking without a limp, going up and down stairs, etc is pretty remarkable considering he had his knee reconstructed 3 weeks ago.

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[quote=Mattyk;992598]Luck had plenty of "help".

Avery had 60 catches, Hilton had 50 as a rookie, Allen and Fleener combined for 71 catches at the TE spot. In the running game Ballard and Brown combined for over 1200 yards.

Luck didn't have to deal with losing his top WR & TE for half the season either.[/quote]


...yeah but he did lose his coach for most of it.

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[quote=Giantone;993052]...yeah but he did lose his coach for most of it.[/quote]
Did you notice in Arians' [B]COY[/B] award that he specifically mentioned Reggie Wayne, not Andrew Luck? I really thought that was interesting.

I think Arians had as much, if not way more, at keeping that team together and getting them back into games.

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[quote=Giantone;993052]...yeah but he did lose his coach for most of it.[/quote]

Yeah and the guy that stepped in was only head coach of the year so...

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I love it! Congrats to RGIII! Can't wait to see him back on the field!

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[quote=Giantone;993052]...yeah but he did lose his coach for most of it.[/quote]


I actually think that may have helped a little bit. The extra emotional charge it gave the team.

Let's not downplay anything about any of these teams. All three made the playoffs. All three Qbs had help. Hell we were the only one of the three to win the division also.

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Medical technology has advanced so much just over the past three years, it's anyone's guess when he'll be back. But he sure as hell sounds confident about day one.

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[quote=Mattyk;993075]Yeah and the guy that stepped in was only head coach of the year so...[/quote]



I agree ,my point is that could really shake up a rookie QB.

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I know we have only mention the big 3,Wilson, RGIII and Luck but lets not forget this guy...Colin Kaepernick,YES I know it's his second year but he might as well be a rookie.

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[quote=Giantone;993219]I know we have only mention the big 3,Wislon, RGII and Luck but lets not forget this guy...Colin Kaepernick,YES I know it's his second year but he might as well be a rookie.[/quote]

umm he can't be rookie of the year, if he's not a rookie, So I wouldn't think he would come up in this context.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;993222]umm he can't be rookie of the year, if he's not a rookie, So I wouldn't think he would come up in this context.[/quote]


As I said I realise he's not a rookie but in the context of a first year starting QB all 4 did a great job.

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[quote=Giantone;993224]As I said I realise he's not a rookie but in the context of a first year starting QB all 4 did a great job.[/quote]

ok, but that wasn't what the context of the discussion was.

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Eli and his owner cry like little babies , maybe they could be considered " rookies " ?

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[quote=Giantone;993219]I know we have only mention the big 3,Wislon, RGII and Luck but lets not forget this guy...Colin Kaepernick,YES I know it's his second year but he might as well be a rookie.[/quote]

This is the second time you've brought RGIII's father (RGII) into a discussion on this board. C'mon get with it already -- and who in blazes is Wislon?

And yes this thread is about Rookie of the Year, not quasi, not alternate, not kind-a-like...

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;993258]This is the second time you've brought RGIII's father (RGII) into a discussion on this board. C'mon get with it already -- and who in blazes is Wislon?

And yes this thread is about Rookie of the Year, not quasi, not alternate, not kind-a-like...[/quote]
Thank you,it's what hat happens when I type when I'm tired.I apologize.

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[quote=Giantone;992502]See this is wrong,I understand it ,a player wanting to play ,fans know his potential and wanting him to play but you have a very good back up ,hell a starter anywhere else.Even if RGII can run and cut it will still be a year to get back to the norm.[B]Sit him for next year ,it's the right thing to do for the team in the long run[/B].[/quote]

Signed,

John Mara

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[quote=Monkeydad;993351]Signed,

John Mara[/quote]

That should be GiantOne's signature. Every post I read from him sounds like he took dictation from Mara. It's amazing.