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[quote=Schneed10;997211]March 10, update. Lichtensteiger signs. Financial terms not yet available, so if someone hears something please post here, still waiting on terms for D Young too.[/quote]



Rumor is 5 years/14 mil on Lich's deal.

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[quote=SkinzWin;997242]Rumor is 5 years/14 mil on Lich's deal.[/quote]

If that's the case then my listed cap number is probably too high for him. If you can link me to a source on that then I'll make a change.

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I like what the Redskins have been doing thus far. This three day window is perfect for locking up the player who will sign for below market (exception to Darrel Young, who is a key cog in our offense), and letting those who won't hit free agency.

The Redskins should be in good cap situation next year. This year's team is probably going to take a hit in the depth category, but the signings of yesterday will help that hit.

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[quote=GTripp0012;997247]I like what the Redskins have been doing thus far. This three day window is perfect for locking up the player who will sign for below market (exception to Darrel Young, who is a key cog in our offense), and letting those who won't hit free agency.

The Redskins should be in good cap situation next year. This year's team is probably going to take a hit in the depth category, but the signings of yesterday will help that hit.[/quote]

Totally agree. Another smart draft and the depth can get right back, though. Hopefully they can pull that off. And so many players returning from injury helps depth too.

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[quote=Schneed10;997248]Totally agree. Another smart draft and the depth can get right back, though. Hopefully they can pull that off. [B]And so many players returning from injury helps depth too.[/B][/quote]That's going to be a big one.

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From what I gather, all of these signings so far, except for possibly Jackson, will count as minimum deals against the cap this year. I think we will sign Davis and still be able to sign a Chris Clemons or someone like that. And Maybe a Greg Toler. But I am surprised they have not released Hall yet or Moss. I think if they were not trying to renegotiate those contracts they would have already cut them. It would only add to the supply out there, decreasing demand.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;997255]From what I gather, all of these signings so far, except for possibly Jackson, will count as minimum deals against the cap this year. I think we will sign Davis and still be able to sign a Chris Clemons or someone like that. And Maybe a Greg Toler. But I am surprised they have not released Hall yet or Moss. I think if they were not trying to renegotiate those contracts they would have already cut them. It would only add to the supply out there, decreasing demand.[/quote]

I agree. Fred should get re-signed. Getting a guy like Clemons would be huge. I think we could get all three (adding in Toler) once we release Moss, Carriker chester etc etc. Should be happening any time now, I don't know what the hold up is either.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;997256]I agree. Fred should get re-signed. Getting a guy like Clemons would be huge. I think we could get all three (adding in Toler) once we release Moss, Carriker chester etc etc. Should be happening any time now, I don't know what the hold up is either.[/quote]
Yeah, I agree, but they would have already released those guys if they did not want them. Give me one good reason they have not released them yet.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;997259]Yeah, I agree, but they would have already released those guys if they did not want them. Give me one good reason they have not released them yet.[/quote]

I was wondering why as well, and the only thing I can come up with, for a guy like Hall would be the club doesn't want to give him the four extra days of pre FA negotiating time hoping that they will be some how prices below what they may be willing to get. I don't know it may be a weak reason and not accurate but I can't figure out why they just don't execute some of these moves.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;997259]Yeah, I agree, but they would have already released those guys if they did not want them. Give me one good reason they have not released them yet.[/quote]

Because they don't have to until 4pm on Tues.

Also, they could still holding out hope regarding the cap situation, or still contemplating going nuclear with a suit.

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[quote=Mattyk;997264]Because they don't have to until 4pm on Tues.

Also, they could still holding out hope regarding the cap situation, or still contemplating going nuclear with a suit.[/quote]
Ok, but if they do it now like everyone else then they add supply to the market and drives down the cost of players, theoretically. I just dont see why they would wait unless they wanted to keep these guys.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;997266]Ok, but if they do it now like everyone else then they add supply to the market and drives down the cost of players, theoretically. I just dont see why they would wait unless they wanted to keep these guys.[/quote]

Didn't httr24_7 say they were making cuts tonight?

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[quote=T.O.Killa;997266]Ok, but if they do it now like everyone else then they add supply to the market and drives down the cost of players, theoretically. I just dont see why they would wait unless they wanted to keep these guys.[/quote]

No need to make a move until you absolutely have to. They're dealing with a much more complicated situation than most teams.

[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;997266]Ok, but if they do it now like everyone else then they add supply to the market and drives down the cost of players, theoretically. I just dont see why they would wait unless they wanted to keep these guys.[/QUOTE]
I doubt there is an advantage to the team to release them early. Further, they can keep exclusive rights while Hall or Carrikers agent can probably gauge the market (without actual contract talks with a specific team) and see if they want to work with the Skins.

Ask it this way. what advantage does the team get from an earlier release?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;997269]I doubt there is an advantage to the team to release them early. Further, they can keep exclusive rights while Hall or Carrikers agent can probably gauge the market (without actual contract talks with a specific team) and see if they want to work with the Skins.

Ask it this way. what advantage does the team get from an earlier release?[/quote]
Well thats my point, they must want them back. If they did not want them back they would have already cut them. Me personally think there is no chance they get rid of Carricker. The only way they do that is if they think his injury will hinder him this year. He is a bargain at wht he will be making.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;997255]From what I gather, all of these signings so far, except for possibly Jackson, will count as minimum deals against the cap this year. I think we will sign Davis and still be able to sign a Chris Clemons or someone like that. And Maybe a Greg Toler. But I am surprised they have not released Hall yet or Moss. I think if they were not trying to renegotiate those contracts they would have already cut them. It would only add to the supply out there, decreasing demand.[/quote]

They can't be "minimum deals" because there's a signing bonus involved in all cases. But they should have small base salaries to start the contract, which does keep the cap hit low.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;997266]Ok, but if they do it now like everyone else then they add supply to the market and drives down the cost of players, theoretically. I just dont see why they would wait unless they wanted to keep these guys.[/quote]

Or you could look at it as waiting longer to cut them will allow other teams to sign areas of need, meaning when we make our cuts those players have fewer options and may be more likely to come back and sign a deal with us.

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well scheed, you can have a signing bonus as still be a minimum deal. but i think it's gotta be a 1 year contract and a 40k or less bonus, unless they upped it in the new cba.

obviously none or the skins signings so far would count for that. even the long snapper got a 4 year deal.

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[quote=That Guy;997299]well scheed, you can have a signing bonus as still be a minimum deal. but i think it's gotta be a 1 year contract and a 40k or less bonus, unless they upped it in the new cba.

obviously none or the skins signings so far would count for that. even the long snapper got a 4 year deal.[/quote]

$40 K doesn't even register as a blip when it comes to an NFL signing bonus. Don't split hairs!

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tell you what, i'd take a 40k signing bonus and be happy with it.

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[quote=That Guy;997367]tell you what, i'd take a 40k signing bonus and be happy with it.[/quote]

That's what I was thinking. Where do I sign? :)

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Sounds like we cleared up about $2M from the Moss restructure. We also got $816,000 back from the NFL for unearned incentives from last year.

Per HTTR24-7 on Twitter we're about $4M under the cap right now.

Still need more room for the rookie pool and any additional free agents. More work to do.

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Honestly, I'm cool with cutting Josh Wilson, London (even though they said they wouldnt) and giving new deals to Orakpo and Trent. Chester? I wouldn't cut him because he was better than Lichtensteiger last year, but Lichtensteiger signed a very cheap deal, and we have LeRibeus whom Foerester said is a starter, so maybe we should make the move sooner rather than later on Chester. Does Josh Morgan go? Its going to get interesting in the next 4 hours

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[quote=CultBrennan59;997711]Honestly, I'm cool with cutting Josh Wilson, London (even though they said they wouldnt) and giving new deals to Orakpo and Trent. Chester? I wouldn't cut him because he was better than Lichtensteiger last year, but Lichtensteiger signed a very cheap deal, and we have LeRibeus whom Foerester said is a starter, so maybe we should make the move sooner rather than later on Chester. Does Josh Morgan go? Its going to get interesting in the next 4 hours[/quote]

I didnt realize this was the last year of Orakpo's deal. Now would be the time to give him a new deal, but i dont know what kind of deal we would give him that he would accept. From the teams perspective, he's been inconsistent and is coming off an injury. He and his agent no doubt consider him one of the leagues elite pass rushers. I dont see the two sides finding an acceptable common ground until he plays out the 2013 season (or atleast most of it).

I dont see any reason why Williams would WANT to restructure his deal. He's currently under contract through 2015 with enormous salaries in 2014 and 2015. I would argue his current contract is already more than he's worth.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;997711]Honestly, [B]I'm cool with cutting Josh Wilson[/B], London (even though they said they wouldnt) and giving new deals to Orakpo and Trent. Chester? I wouldn't cut him because he was better than Lichtensteiger last year, but Lichtensteiger signed a very cheap deal, and we have LeRibeus whom Foerester said is a starter, so maybe we should make the move sooner rather than later on Chester. Does Josh Morgan go? Its going to get interesting in the next 4 hours[/quote]

I hope that is a joke. I can't imagine cutting our best DB (and taking a cap hit thereby) when we have other DB needs to fill.

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[quote=Lotus;997736]I hope that is a joke. I can't imagine cutting our best DB (and taking a cap hit thereby) when we have other DB needs to fill.[/quote]

No joke, he is a nickleback at best in this league. He gets pushed around too much. He was slightly better than DHall but thats not saying much. I was suggesting we cut him and sign Talib and Toler, two guys who can compete.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;997758]No joke, he is a nickleback at best in this league. He gets pushed around too much. He was slightly better than DHall but thats not saying much. I was suggesting we cut him and sign Talib and Toler, two guys who can compete.[/quote]

So basically we would have a defense pretty much made of free agents, short term fixes for long term problems. I am glad the Redskins can't sign many free agents. You should really only have 2-4 free agents on your defense, 2-4 free agents on your offense. Everyone else should be drafted. There is something called "chemistry", in football that is important. Copy the good old Ravens. Or the 49ers, or the Packers, I'll settle for their success.

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[quote=donofriose;997763]So basically we would have a defense pretty much made of free agents, short term fixes for long term problems. I am glad the Redskins can't sign many free agents. You should really only have 2-4 free agents on your defense, 2-4 free agents on your offense. Everyone else should be drafted. There is something called "chemistry", in football that is important. Copy the good old Ravens. Or the 49ers, or the Packers, I'll settle for their success.[/quote]

I left out the fact that I'd also draft 2 CBs in the draft and see what Richard Crawford looks like in year 2 as well as this 'amazing CB' we got in Chase Minnifield.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;997765]I left out the fact that I'd also draft 2 CBs in the draft and see what Richard Crawford looks like in year 2 as well as this 'amazing CB' we got in Chase Minnifield.[/quote]

So you want the same secondary that an expansion team has: a couple of FA's and draft choices who are thrown together without concern for knowledge of scheme or chemistry. Great.

I would add that Josh Wilson is better than you give him credit for.

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[quote=Lotus;997778]So you want the same secondary that an expansion team has: a couple of FA's and draft choices who are thrown together without concern for knowledge of scheme or chemistry. Great.

I would add that Josh Wilson is better than you give him credit for.[/quote]

Don't worry Josh isn't going anywhere, but Josh Wilson gets pushed around a lot, which isn't good considering he's going against Dez Bryant and Hakeem Nicks twice a year. We need bigger more physical CBs; a secondary similar to Seattle's. Not these little fast guys.

Just a little nugget though about your other comment, The ravens secondary which they won the super bowl with was; Cary Williams (FA) Corey Graham (FA) Bernard Pollard (FA) and Ed Reed (drafted) They had just gotten Corey Graham that offseason so that was his first year playing; Cary Williams and Pollard came in last year. So there is some method to my madness of building a secondary. Like I say build through the draft, occasional FA. Just because I want these two FA's doesn't mean my team is fixed, I'm still going to draft guys to have them learn and develop behind them or incase the FAs don't work out.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;997788]Don't worry Josh isn't going anywhere, but Josh Wilson gets pushed around a lot, which isn't good considering he's going against Dez Bryant and Hakeem Nicks twice a year. We need bigger more physical CBs; a secondary similar to Seattle's. Not these little fast guys.

Just a little nugget though about your other comment, The ravens secondary which they won the super bowl with was; Cary Williams (FA) Corey Graham (FA) Bernard Pollard (FA) and Ed Reed (drafted) [B]They had just gotten Corey Graham that offseason so that was his first year playing; Cary Williams and Pollard came in last year.[/B] So there is some method to my madness of building a secondary. Like I say build through the draft, occasional FA. Just because I want these two FA's doesn't mean my team is fixed, I'm still going to draft guys to have them learn and develop behind them or incase the FAs don't work out.[/quote]

Not the same as you suggested. Your suggestion amounts to gutting the secondary and starting from scratch, not the Ravens method of adding pieces over a couple of years to go with a wiley old vet.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;997788]

Just a little nugget though about your other comment, The ravens secondary which they won the super bowl with was; Cary Williams (FA) Corey Graham (FA) Bernard Pollard (FA) and Ed Reed (drafted) They had just gotten Corey Graham that offseason so that was his first year playing; Cary Williams and Pollard came in last year. So there is some method to my madness of building a secondary. [/quote]

So the Redskins have Ed Reed in their secondary now? I'm sure if any team had Ed Reed they would be a lot better. By the way the ravens secondary was a mediocre secondary last year, the year before they were better but they had Webb (who they drafted) so I guess that is what the Skins should be shooting for. A secondary that ranked 16th or 17th, instead of building a great secondary like the...

Steelers... ranked 1st Keenan Lewis (drafted) Polamanu (drafted) Allen (drafted) and Clark (FA)... one free agent
or the Seahawks, who drafted their entire secondary.

If you want a mediocre secondary then you can get a bunch of free agents and hope they mesh. If you want a secondary like the Steelers or the Seahawks... you have to have them build chemistry together, mainly through the draft.

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[quote=donofriose;997816]So the Redskins have Ed Reed in their secondary now? I'm sure if any team had Ed Reed they would be a lot better. By the way the ravens secondary was a mediocre secondary last year, the year before they were better but they had Webb (who they drafted) so I guess that is what the Skins should be shooting for. A secondary that ranked 16th or 17th, instead of building a great secondary like the...

Steelers... ranked 1st Keenan Lewis (drafted) Polamanu (drafted) Allen (drafted) and Clark (FA)... one free agent
or the Seahawks, who drafted their entire secondary.

If you want a mediocre secondary then you can get a bunch of free agents and hope they mesh. If you want a secondary like the Steelers or the Seahawks... you have to have them build chemistry together, mainly through the draft.[/quote]

Never suggested we have ed reed I was going by the whole premise that you can't get FA's to fill in your secondary to be good. Houston did it a few years ago with Johnathan Joesph and Daniel Manning; their defense went from 32nd to top 5 I believe.

Steelers aren't a good example anymore because they've really gone down hill. Seahawks I'll agree with.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;997830]Never suggested we have ed reed I was going by the whole premise that you can't get FA's to fill in your secondary to be good. Houston did it a few years ago with Johnathan Joesph and Daniel Manning; their defense went from 32nd to top 5 I believe.

Steelers aren't a good example anymore because they've really gone down hill. Seahawks I'll agree with.[/quote]

I think Big Ben being injured had a lot with what happened with Pitt last year, they will be back this year. Steelers had a superbowl defense. They just had Batch and a broken Big Ben playing quarterback for them for the rest of the year. Houston also got a new defensive coordinator that year if you remember.

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Wilson's statistics are better then Talib across the board, QB rating, comp percentage, first downs allowed, tds allowed. If Talib is so good, why did NE let him walk.

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[quote=Evilgrin;998030]Wilson's statistics are better then Talib across the board, QB rating, comp percentage, first downs allowed, tds allowed. If Talib is so good, why did NE let him walk.[/quote]

He's been on the market for 6 hours. It's not that they're letting him walk. He's listening to his offers.

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[quote=Schneed10;997211]March 10, update. Lichtensteiger signs. Financial terms not yet available, so if someone hears something please post here, still waiting on terms for D Young too.

[B]2013 Redskins Cap Room (Overage) At Start: ($2.7)[/B]

[U]Moves Made to Date:[/U]
Released Jamaal Brown $0.2
Resigned Darrell Young ($1.0) [I]temporary assumption[/I]
Resigned Logan Paulsen ($0.5)
Rob Jackson: ($0.8)
Kory Lichtensteiger: ($2.5) [I]temporary assumption[/I]

[B]2013 Redskins Cap Room (Overage) Current: ($7.3)[/B]

[U]Roster Cuts or Restructures:[/U]
DeAngelo Hall $7.5
Santana Moss $3.7
Josh Wilson $3.2
[U]Adam Carriker $2.2[/U]
Maximum Cap Space Created through Cuts or Restructures: $16.6

[U]Priority Resignings/Replacements:[/U]
Fred Davis or similar TE: ($2.5)
Lorenzo Alexander: ($1.8)
Nick Sundberg or similar LS: ($0.3)
Sav Rocca or similar P: ($0.4)
[U]Tyler Polumbus: ($1.1)[/U]
Cap Space Required for Resignings/Replacements ($6.1)

Rookie Pool Impact ($0.5)

[B]Anticipated Cap Space Available for Free Agency: $2.7[/B][/quote]

Hey Schneed, any chance you'll get time to update this with any new numbers. I don't know how much info is out there, if any, but would be curious to see what Moss and Carriker's restructures did.

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+ this update:

Rich Campbell ‏@Rich_Campbell

As @Jason_OTC reported, records show Brandon Meriweather's contract is different today. Base salary is now $1.2M. It was $2.45M. #Redskins

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yeah, they're basically pushing all the money they need to make for 2013 into next year.