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More Jags previews. Tomorrow is the day all three of the teams getting new uniforms unveil.


[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/MYvqdL8.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XD4JSsZ.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG]http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad347/ColorWerx/Football_Outdoor/NationalFootballLeague/Colors/Solid/MiamiDolphins_FRC_9999_SCC_SRGB.png[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/1YeXH8U.png[/IMG]

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Here is a peak at the Vikings, Jags, and Dolphins new Unis.

[URL="https://twitter.com/UniWatch/status/326770731927093249/photo/1"]https://twitter.com/UniWatch/status/326770731927093249/photo/1[/URL]

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i like the jags helmet but i'm not a fan of the rest of the uniform

I really don't like Miami's new look

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1004995]I really don't like Miami's new look[/quote]it's just meh to me.

the jags has too much going on; it just makes me think of the vikings from the past several years. i have a feeling the jags will be making another change in a season or 2.

vikings look great, i haven't seen a closeup of their helmet, but it looks like a matte finish?

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I like the new Jags helmet but the rest is just horrible.
Looks like something from Starship Troopers.

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Tomorrow is the day for Miami and Minnesota. Jacksonville revealed last night.

[IMG]http://cdn2.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/12013165/jaghelmet.0_standard_709.0.png[/IMG]

[IMG]http://prod.images.jaguars.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/JAGUARS/assets/images/imported/JAC/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/temp20130321_NikeFY13_NFL_JAGUARS_0604--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q609/tshare18/image-10.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.actionnewsjax.com/media/lib/1/a/0/0/a0080833-a770-43de-a8c1-3d78cdc88e1d/Original.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q609/tshare18/image-12.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q609/tshare18/image-11.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIjeqVLCMAAdijg.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q609/tshare18/image-9.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q609/tshare18/image-8.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://oi35.tinypic.com/vxgto7.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG]https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBgpaHR0cHM6Ly90d2l0cGljLmNvbS9zaG93L2xhcmdlL2NsZmZ2Zy5qcGcUsAQUrAIAFgASAA&s=EJX9GiuLXVK5f__J772P7gLhHbde0yn3vJvg07PhN2A[/IMG]

[IMG]http://s3.amazonaws.com/nikeinc/assets/19427/Jaguars-NFL-Nike-Elite-51-Uniform-Alternate-Colorway-1_detail.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://prod.images.jaguars.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/JAGUARS/assets/images/imported/JAC/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/temp012BlackmonUniform041113--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720[/IMG]

[IMG]http://prod.images.jaguars.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/JAGUARS/assets/images/imported/JAC/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/temp028BlackmonUniform041113--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIjfeQUCQAAq2Lv.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIjfGyiCUAAVi3B.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://prod.images.jaguars.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/JAGUARS/assets/images/imported/JAC/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/temp020BlackmonUniform041113--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720[/IMG]

[IMG]http://s3.amazonaws.com/nikeinc/assets/19411/Jaguars-Blackmon-NFL-Nike-Elite-51-Uniform-4_detail.jpeg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://s3.amazonaws.com/nikeinc/assets/19407/Jaguars-Blackmon-NFL-Nike-Elite-51-Uniform-2_detail.jpeg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://s3.amazonaws.com/nikeinc/assets/19426/Jaguars-NFL-Nike-Elite-51-Uniform-Alternate-Colorway-2_detail.jpg[/IMG]

Still think Carolina has The best in the NFL but those are sharp!

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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/QncNZjz.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i36.tinypic.com/o6grj5.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIjjXXDCQAE0oQT.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIjc_2kCAAAHiKZ.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIjhODPCEAAKbZr.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d30/cstuck/jagsside_zps78e02a4e.png[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIjcVTjCAAI-OMr.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d30/cstuck/collarback_zps5268e28c.png[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d30/cstuck/jagsfull_zpsa3550390.png[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d30/cstuck/helmetside_zps3a00d209.png[/IMG]

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I may be the only one that doesn't like that helmet, but I don't like that helmet...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1005024]Still think Carolina has The best in the NFL but those are sharp![/quote]

[quote=mbedner3420;1005026]I may be the only one that doesn't like that helmet, but I don't like that helmet...[/quote]


Yeah, I'm impressed by these. I don't like the half matte/half glossy helmet but the uniforms are very nice in my opinion. If it were all gloss or all matte...winner.

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Miami sneak preview.

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIjogJSCMAIVhzX.jpg:large[/IMG]

Old colors - [IMG]http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad347/ColorWerx/Football_Outdoor/NationalFootballLeague/Colors/Solid/MiamiDolphins_FRC_2012_SCC_SRGB.png[/IMG]

New colors - [IMG]http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad347/ColorWerx/Football_Outdoor/NationalFootballLeague/Colors/Solid/MiamiDolphins_FRC_9999_SCC_SRGB.png[/IMG]



Minnesota:

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIjrfuKCMAEbTGr.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.tailgatemaster.com/images/viking_helm_biggunmock.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://cdn0.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/12023027/vikings_uniforms.0_standard_709.0.jpg[/IMG]


All 3 teams:

[IMG]http://www.actionnewsjax.com/media/lib/1/1/3/c/13c62f60-77d3-4faf-88c0-dbeb35b4edf7/Original.jpg[/IMG]

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Of the three, I really only like the viks look.

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Dolphins are awful. I love Minnesota, finally ditching the random piping and mismatched stripes for some classic striping and a simple look. Jags, I'm glad they're emphasizing the teal and gold and the military style works. Uniform is good, helmet is not.

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I noticed something. Look at the Vikes' numbers:

[IMG]http://cdn0.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/12023027/vikings_uniforms.0_standard_709.0.jpg[/IMG]



Then look at this.

[IMG]http://lilasartclasses.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/viking-ship_14248_lg1.gif[/IMG]

I like the viks. Not bad

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I like them all. I actually like the dolphins. The new logo is just ok but thats a tough one to redo without throwing out basically everything, but i do like they put more focus on the aqua and the white instead of the orange

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IMO the Vikes look cool. The Dolphins look lame. The Jags are serious butt-ugly.

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[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/Jt0323/field2_zpsd096d001.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/Jt0323/fiield1_zpsc867f0c6.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Monkeydad;1005219][IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/Jt0323/field2_zpsd096d001.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/Jt0323/fiield1_zpsc867f0c6.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Eh. Kinda looks like a whale

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[quote=Lotus;1005147]IMO the Vikes look cool. The Dolphins look lame. The Jags are serious butt-ugly.[/quote]

This.

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The Vikings just posted this on their Facebook page!

[IMG]http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/48059_10151560734852836_1426174256_n.jpg[/IMG]
(1961)

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What the helmet looks like in sunlight...not as bad, looks gunmetal rather than black. Although, it looks like a gold helmet was in a fire the more I think about it.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/GwrMQA4.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/oo7iSA7.jpg[/IMG]

Uniform combos:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XKCsGyA.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/93ujsYj.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/2dKbhCa.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/liDDGUC.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/bBJ6Qmc.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/N2aN1Px.jpg[/IMG]

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My favorite combos are the white jerseys with black pants and the teal jersey with white pants.

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Here it is. I love what Nike did for the Vikings:

Old/new helmets - [IMG]http://prod.images.vikings.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/VIKINGS/assets/images/imported/MIN/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/tempIMG_5881_2013UniHelmet--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIu5qTuCUAEiHKu.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DnIXAab.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Dz1LHMm.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://prod.images.vikings.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/VIKINGS/assets/images/imported/MIN/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/temp1_2013UniReveal--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720[/IMG]

[IMG]http://news.sportslogos.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/570x375xVikings-New.jpg.pagespeed.ic.8pC3qM2b-n.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://prod.images.vikings.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/VIKINGS/assets/images/imported/MIN/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/tempIMG_5821_2013UniHelmet--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=620&height=465[/IMG]

[IMG]http://prod.images.vikings.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/VIKINGS/assets/images/imported/MIN/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/tempIMG_5776_2013UniHelmet--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIu3JeBCEAAAvRD.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.vikings.com/assets/images/articles/2013/april/uniform-unveil-info-graphic.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG]http://prod.images.vikings.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/VIKINGS/assets/images/imported/MIN/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/temp8_2013UniReveal--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIu2VppCEAAaaEA.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/48059_10151560734852836_1426174256_n.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://prod.images.vikings.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/VIKINGS/assets/images/imported/MIN/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/temp21_2013UniDetail--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720[/IMG]

[IMG]http://prod.images.vikings.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/VIKINGS/assets/images/imported/MIN/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/temp1_2013uniclose0223--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720[/IMG]

[IMG]http://prod.images.vikings.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/VIKINGS/assets/images/imported/MIN/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/temp5_2013UniLineArt--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://prod.images.vikings.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/VIKINGS/assets/images/imported/MIN/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/temp3_2013UniLineArt--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/OK5hnTK.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/KKRhQgc.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/UcPsJCS.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/NkGUXXr.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/zdjjOf1.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/NtkiKjw.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/WEmzBOd.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/1rxeeQH.jpg[/IMG]

Good look Vikings

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Dolphins! Not crazy about them. It's clean, but I think they need more orange and I hate the Killer Whale logo. And, the tramp stamps:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jrFUfqn.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://prod.images.dolphins.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/DOLPHINS/assets/images/imported/MIA/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/tempDENX5420--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?[/IMG]

[IMG]http://s3.amazonaws.com/nikeinc/assets/19551/Miami-Nike-Elite-51-Uniform-Shoulder-Detail-2_large.jpg?[/IMG]

[IMG]http://prod.images.dolphins.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/DOLPHINS/assets/images/imported/MIA/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/temp_MG_4359--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720[/IMG]

[IMG]http://fansided.com/files/2013/04/d3.jpeg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIvGqBACUAAk4A-.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://prod.images.dolphins.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/DOLPHINS/assets/images/imported/MIA/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/temp_MG_4309--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?[/IMG]

[IMG]http://prod.images.dolphins.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/DOLPHINS/assets/images/imported/MIA/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/tempDENX5420--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?[/IMG]

[IMG]http://prod.images.dolphins.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/DOLPHINS/assets/images/imported/MIA/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/temp_MG_4425--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?[/IMG]

[IMG]http://prod.images.dolphins.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/DOLPHINS/assets/images/imported/MIA/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/temp_MG_4360--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?[/IMG]

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[IMG]http://content.images.dreamsretail.com/152/152_web_042513_First_Draft_Pick_main-update.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.nike.com/content/dam/one-nike/en_us/season-2013-su/US%20Football/Dplphins%20Story%20Page/8_Dolphins_Jersey_620x460.jpg.dimg/620x460q80.jpeg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.nike.com/content/dam/one-nike/en_us/season-2013-su/US%20Football/Dplphins%20Story%20Page/5_Dolphins_Jersey_940x640.jpg.dimg/940x640q80.jpeg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.nike.com/content/dam/one-nike/en_us/season-2013-su/US%20Football/Dplphins%20Story%20Page/3_Dolphins_Jersey_940x640.jpg.dimg/940x640q80.jpeg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.nike.com/content/dam/one-nike/en_us/season-2013-su/US%20Football/Dplphins%20Story%20Page/2_Dolphins_Jersey_940x640.jpg.dimg/940x640q80.jpeg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.nike.com/content/dam/one-nike/en_us/season-2013-su/US%20Football/Dplphins%20Story%20Page/1_Dolphins_Jersey_940x640.jpg.dimg/940x640q80.jpeg[/IMG]



[IMG]http://distilleryimage9.ak.instagram.com/52d9491cadff11e280ba22000a9f1893_7.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.nike.com/content/dam/one-nike/en_us/season-2013-su/US%20Football/Dplphins%20Story%20Page/6_Dolphins_Jersey_940x640.jpg.dimg/940x640q80.jpeg[/IMG]

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Also side note, from the draft jerseys, looks like Nike is hearing the rioters and fixing the collars:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/RtDmSBk.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://queencitysports.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/fred-jackso-300x203.jpg[/IMG]

The logo Marino was wearing back in the day was the best Miami logo. This new look is bad really bad

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I actually really like Miami's new look the more I see it. Two thumbs up to the Vikings too. The Jags are a downgrade.

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I do love the all-white look for Miami, with the aqua socks.

I hate all-white for the Skins, but it works for a team with a white helmet.

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On-field:

[IMG]http://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u634/joshuakramer/Ponder_Sleeves_zps968990a2.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/QDLTYpR.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://distilleryimage8.s3.amazonaws.com/2e88d050adff11e28b9422000a1fbe38_7.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://distilleryimage1.s3.amazonaws.com/46c46d0aadff11e2bfbf22000a9f1935_7.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://distilleryimage9.s3.amazonaws.com/11b0ea3eae0011e2bf1822000aaa0492_7.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo42/delasean002/Vikings-Road-Uniform-2013-390x519_zps38198736.jpeg[/IMG]


For fans:

[IMG]http://nfl.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p15615604dt.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://nfl.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p15562112dt.jpg[/IMG]




Draft picks:

[IMG]http://prod.static.vikings.clubs.nfl.com//assets/images/imported/MIN/photos/centerpieces/Drafts/2013/Homepage/rhodes-stage-hp-cp.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://prod.static.vikings.clubs.nfl.com//assets/images/imported/MIN/photos/centerpieces/Drafts/2013/Interior/three-presser-jersey-int-cp.jpg[/IMG]

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The Dolphins' new uniforms look like those generic jerseys they sell at Walmart with only the logo on the sleeve.

[IMG]http://nfl.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p15562331dt.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://hovie.com/uni/dophins2013.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://prod.images.dolphins.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/DOLPHINS/assets/images/imported/MIA/photos/clubimages/2013/04-April/tempG--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?[/IMG]


Right click if you like detail:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/rX8Ovn8.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Hq8UgFm.jpg[/IMG]

Damn the more I see their new unis the more I don't like them. I agree the logo is terrible, looks like a whale not a dolphin and the Jerseys are just plain as can be. And def don't like the tramp stamp. Not a good job

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1006940]Damn the more I see their new unis the more I don't like them. I agree the logo is terrible, looks like a whale not a dolphin and the Jerseys are just plain as can be. And def don't like the tramp stamp. Not a good job[/quote]

Tramp stamp?