[QUOTE=12thMan;1001101]As I stated earlier. I think either Jason Witten, DeMarcus Ware, or Miles Austin will be gone in two years.[/QUOTE]

Considering thier age that would likely happen anyway

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I dont want a QB who is going to win me Regular season games, if RG3 went undefeated every season and lost the first playoff game for the next 5 years, I would have to say he doesnt deserve 100 million

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[quote=12thMan;1001101]As I stated earlier. I think either Jason Witten, DeMarcus Ware, or Miles Austin will be gone in two years.[/quote]Austin will likely be gone by this time next year. But it won't be just Austin. There will be a max exodus.

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[quote=Giantone;1001104]Should it be a factor...HELL YES, as I said before in the NFL you get paid to produce and that means win and make and win playoff games SUPER BOWLS too. The man has had his opportunities and blown them. I would take 2 other QB's in the NFC east before I would take Romo, you have one and we have the other.[/quote]So, so wrong. You don't get paid in the NFL based on past production. You get paid for repeatable skills.

Since winning "event" games isn't a skill, i.e. no player is more or less likely to win a single event in the future than the past, it is not valued. The abilities that translate to wins are valued, but past record (particularly team record) doesn't mean anything.

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I mean what is Dallas supposed to do? He's good enough to keep (who do you replace him with?) and bad enough to know there's a good chance you never win with him. Money wise he got a market deal. Dallas can thank Baltimore. So can we...of course if he is worth that much imagine what we'll be paying our QB in a couple years. At least I hope he's been good enough o have that type of problem.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1001117]So, so wrong. You don't get paid in the NFL based on past production. You get paid for repeatable skills.

Since winning "event" games isn't a skill, i.e. no player is more or less likely to win a single event in the future than the past, it is not valued. The abilities that translate to wins are valued, but past record (particularly team record) doesn't mean anything.[/quote]

100% right...in bizarro land. ALL that matters is what you have done. Romo has won...a lot. Just not when it matters most. But enough that they had no choice but to pay him. Part of his repeatable skills is not getting the job done in the playoffs. They're not paying him for that but it comes with the bundle. Or o it seems.

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[quote=Mattyk;1001102]No but the fans and media sure do. Fair or not, it's always going to be a big part of the discussion.[/quote]No factors in the market are part of the discussion though.

The discussion can be as smart or as dumb as we want it to be. While it's factually correct that Tony Romo has been a starting quarterback a long time to have one playoff win, that stat is consistent with a dysfunctional team. I know it's fun to argue Romo's culpability in the Cowboys lack of success, and it's frankly funny to watch the Cowboys not change anything about the way they do business, Tony Romo's career record and playoff record aren't really a very major part of the story. It's more of an "it is what it is" thing.

I think the state of the Cowboys roster and future winning potential is a much bigger story, because that's what will determine whether they just wasted a ton of money or not.

I think we all (myself certainly) thought that the Giants dumped a ton of money into Eli in 2009 when he was a mediocre player on a mediocre team and couldn't understand that $100 million deal. But of course, that extension looks great now. The Giants look a lot better because of Eli's contract going forward. I think the Cowboys are hoping for the same thing, and I don't think they are going to get it.

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[quote=FRPLG;1001119]100% right...in bizarro land. ALL that matters is what you have done. Romo has won...a lot. Just not when it matters most. But enough that they had no choice but to pay him. Part of his repeatable skills is not getting the job done in the playoffs. They're not paying him for that but it comes with the bundle. Or o it seems.[/quote]I think it seems that way, but its not true. NFL teams spend so much time trying to fit player x into hole y that the relative history of player x almost never comes up in the discussion. What does come up are repeatable skills, whether physical or statistical. If a player can repeat a characteristic over and over, I think he gets paid for it. His QB W/L record? No one gives a crap.

Kevin Kolb got $4-6 million annually today. Nothing in Kevin Kolb's past suggest he's worth that much. But you can project him to be worth that since his prime years in terms of age, experience, and skill set are ahead of him. It's not a great deal for the Bills, but they're not "hoping" he can repeat the last two years, as the "you get paid for what you've done" argument would suggest.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1001117]So, so wrong. You don't get paid in the NFL based on past production. You get paid for repeatable skills.

Since winning "event" games isn't a skill, i.e. no player is more or less likely to win a single event in the future than the past, it is not valued. The abilities that translate to wins are valued, but past record (particularly team record) doesn't mean anything.[/quote]

Whhhhhhhhhhaaaaatttt? Lol.

He has to be trolling. Nobody could post something this arrogantly wrong and mean it

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[quote=Bucket;1001122]Whhhhhhhhhhaaaaatttt? Lol.

He has to be trolling. Nobody could post something this arrogantly wrong and mean it[/quote]I mean, I've seen you do it a lot.

Unless you [I]were[/I] trolling, in case, nice job sir.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1001123]I mean, I've seen you do it a lot.

Unless you [I]were[/I] trolling, in case, nice job sir.[/quote]

Huh? Don't confuse my legitimacy from the shit you post on the daily claiming as fact.

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[quote=Bucket;1001125]Huh? Don't confuse my legitimacy from the shit you post on the daily claiming as fact.[/quote]Says the only person lacking enough credibility to have ever been on my ignore list.

In seven years, mind you.

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i dunno... the whole kolb thing is pretty stupid too.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1001117]So, so wrong. You don't get paid in the NFL based on past production. You get paid for repeatable skills.

Since winning "event" games isn't a skill, i.e. no player is more or less likely to win a single event in the future than the past, it is not valued. The abilities that translate to wins are valued, but past record (particularly team record) doesn't mean anything.[/quote]


You call "winning" the super bowl and event game and in your opinion it carries no weight in their (the players) contract talks, so your saying you get paid for potential not performance, correct?

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[quote=GTripp0012;1001120]

I think we all (myself certainly) thought that the Giants dumped a ton of money into Eli in 2009 when he was a mediocre player on a mediocre team and couldn't understand that $100 million deal. But of course, that extension looks great now. The Giants look a lot better because of Eli's contract going forward. I think the Cowboys are hoping for the same thing, and I don't think they are going to get it.[/quote]

You forget Eli had already won a bowl and a MVP of the game by then, Romo not even close.

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I can't stand it when qb's are based a W/L record. Since when does the QB go out and play against all 11 guys by himself?

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[quote=Giantone;1001137]You forget Eli had already won a bowl and a MVP of the game by then, Romo not even close.[/quote]

Eli didn't win it by himself. I think the Giants d-line had a lot to do with the first one. Eli did his part though..

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[quote=skinsfan69;1001139]I can't stand it when qb's are based a W/L record. Since when does the QB go out and play against all 11 guys by himself?[/quote]

I don't think its necessarily the win lose record, I think it is more of the fact if the quarterback puts his team in the best position to win the game. That is why I believe stats are overrated as well. Stafford/Romo/Rivers are perfect examples of players who do not always put their team in positions to win games, but they do fill up a stats sheet. I never expect a quarterback to win a game by themselves (and if they do that means they are elite, like Manning, Brady, Rogers and Brees), but I do expect a quarterback to put their team in the best position to win a game by not throwing pics at the worst times during a game.

[QUOTE=donofriose;1001142]I don't think its necessarily the win lose record, I think it is more of the fact if the quarterback puts his team in the best position to win the game. That is why I believe stats are overrated as well. Stafford/Romo/Rivers are perfect examples of players who do not always put their team in positions to win games, but they do fill up a stats sheet. I never expect a quarterback to win a game by themselves (and if they do that means they are elite, like Manning, Brady, Rogers and Brees), but I do expect a quarterback to put their team in the best position to win a game by not throwing pics at the worst times during a game.[/QUOTE]

Again though, u can't really put romo in that category because he leads to league in forth quarter wins since 2009. Pretty much Tony is really good until it's an elimination game which is y he's not elite, but he's also not a sorry bumb either. He's pretty good

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1001021]That's the problem with team sports though, like if u ask ncskins about Tom Brady's record he'll say it's because of the team around him but if u ask about romos record it's because he sucks. IMO it's about team not 1 guy, Tony has no line at all and no running game. Not to mention Griffin and our offense was owning the Dallas defense in that game.

His fumble game should have been a win against Seattle, that was [B]basically a fluke play[/B][/quote]

That's the point its not a fluke play for him and he choked the game away. He does have the stats which is why he got this deal but they ignored his play when it really counts. I was watching him play in a golf outing on TV and he was leading by 2 going into the last hole. Guess what he did? Choked and made a double boggy. Mark Rippen won by a stroke. He does not handle preasure at all.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1001143]Again though, u can't really put romo in that category because he leads to league in forth quarter wins since 2009. Pretty much Tony is really good until it's an elimination game which is y he's not elite, but he's also not a sorry bumb either. He's pretty good[/quote]

I don't think Romo is terrible, I just do not think he is worth 55 million guaranteed. But the cowboys were stuck. Its good for the Skins because I do not see a superbowl win with him because like you said, he seems to save his worst games for most important times of the year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1001141]Eli didn't win it by himself. I think the Giants d-line had a lot to do with the first one. Eli did his part though..[/quote]


Yes he did do his part and so like every other winning QB should be compensated for it for what he has done and also for what he can do.

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Romo has proven over and over again that he can't win when it matters the most. While I agree that he is a somewhat steady presence at the QB position for the Cowpukes, getting paid more than QBs that have won when it mattered is ridiculous. Throw on top of that the fact that Dallas is being ran by one of the worst decision-makers in the league, I don't know how anyone here can defend this contract with a straight face.

It is my understanding that NFL players get paid on production and potential. Romo has provided the team with slightly above average production, something that won't cut it in a team with such high expectations from the media, their "fans", and their front office. Nor will it cut it in a team where being "good enough" gets fired. Also right now, there is nothing that tells me that Romo has the potential to be better than what he has done his whole career.

The Cowpukes are definitely stuck with Romo, but NOTHING he has done justifies the money in this contract.

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[quote=Giantone;1001136]You call "winning" the super bowl and event game and in your opinion it carries no weight in their (the players) contract talks, so your saying you get paid for potential not performance, correct?[/quote]

I think he's referring to the actual pay. No NFL player gets a "salary" for any games past the regular season. Playoff games are covered by bonuses (all equal) and will be higher/lower depending on if you win or lose.

SO when he says you don't get paid to win the super bowl or playoff games, he's right. You don't. You sign those contracts based on the 16 games during the season. Everything else is gravy.

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[quote=Giantone;1001136]You call "winning" the super bowl and event game and in your opinion it carries no weight in their (the players) contract talks, so your saying you get paid for potential not performance, correct?[/quote]Correct. Ability to lead team to super bowls in the future matters, but number of super bowls previously won does not.

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[quote=Giantone;1001137]You forget Eli had already won a bowl and a MVP of the game by then, Romo not even close.[/quote]I was wrong looking back on it, but it definitely wasn't because of that.

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But now that the conversation has been steered towards 'meaningful', I really think that paying for Romo's age 34-39 seasons is foolish. It's basically the Alex Rodriguez contract, given the current financial state of the Cowboys. It's not that Romo isn't worth it: his market value is his market value. But why the Cowboys waited to this point to give their quarterback a market value contract makes no sense.

The decline rate among non-elite quarterbacks is pretty sharp starting right around the age Romo is now. Steve McNair was a co-MVP of this league in 2003, but he was completely toast as a player by age 34: the point which this Romo contract [I]starts(!)[/I]. Trent Green was awesome through age 35, then completely done. Kurt Warner appeared for all the world to be toast by age 35. Really, of all Romo's closest comparables, Favre had MVP seasons in his late thirties and early fourties, and no one else was even remotely successful beyond what amounts to the second year of this extension, or 2015.

If Romo makes this contract looks good, he's a no question first ballot hall of famer. But that's such a tall task. I think the more likely outcome is the Cowboys are the Cowboys for two more seasons (7-9, 8-8), and then they tear down and rebuild while Romo quarterbacks a losing team. He might never appear in the playoffs over the course of the deal, unless they pull a Favre 2007 type rebuild. That's best case scenario for the Cowboys right now.

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so is that, "I was wrong, but not because of anything anyone else said, I'm just so smart that I outsmarted myself when I said it was a good idea yesterday."

it's a bad deal for the roids. romo should be happy, cause no one else was going to pay him that much... meaning that it's not really his market value.

that's too much guaranteed money for a guy that's above average but just not notable in any way.

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[quote=That Guy;1001223]so is that, "I was wrong, but not because of anything anyone else said, I'm just so smart that I outsmarted myself when I said it was a good idea yesterday."

it's a bad deal for the roids. romo should be happy, cause no one else was going to pay him that much... meaning that it's not really his market value.

that's too much guaranteed money for a guy that's above average but just not notable in any way.[/quote]

I think he's better then above average, what kills him is the critical errors. To be fair, people forget alot of Dan Marino's brainfarts.

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Saw this on a crawl this weekend and just laughed...I love Jerry Jones' stupidity. When he puts his loyalty into one of "his" guys, he never lets go, even when it harms the franchise.

The value of the deal was a stupid decision. The length of the deal was a stupid decision. The name on the deal was a stupid decision. How many chances can one man get after failing so many times. Dallas is nowhere near a Super Bowl as long as Romo is their QB.

We thank you, Jerry. Your team cannot afford this, in several ways.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1001023]Here's the truth about Tony, if he played anywhere else besides Dallas he would be considered a big time QB.[/quote]

Is it because the Cowboys pre-game meal contains a lot of butter? How is a change of address going to help him with simple tasks like handling snaps? I've never seem any QB fumble so many snaps. Don't even blame his center, some of the snaps in shotgun have hit Romo right in the face. If the same mistake keeps happening over and over, there's a point where you have to blame the leader. I've also seen Romo many times start retreating 30+ yards backwards when pressured. I remember seeing it actually result in a positive play ONCE...against us unfortunately.


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epic post Md.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1001090]The guy is classless. Hard to believe we didn't see it before when he was a media darling. He's actually the reason when I'm channel surfing that I don't stay on NFL Network seeing as how Playbook, one of my all time favorite shows before McNabb, is on usually when I get back from work.[/quote]

McNabb just said what most are saying or have said. This deal also hurts us when we have to sing RGIII to a new deal

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[quote=firstdown;1001299]McNabb just said what most are saying or have said. This deal also hurts us when we have to sing RGIII to a new deal[/quote]

I doubt this deal will be anywhere near a bar setter when Griffin's contract comes due. Look at ARodgers up coming deal, and then Luck, Griffin, and Wilson all become UFA's in 2016 according to spotrac.com will be signing at the same time.

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[quote=firstdown;1001299]McNabb just said what most are saying or have said. This deal also hurts us when we have to sing RGIII to a new deal[/quote]

By 2016 Romo will have won zero Super Bowls whereas Gryphon will have won two. So apples to oranges.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1001241]Saw this on a crawl this weekend and just laughed...I love Jerry Jones' stupidity. When he puts his loyalty into one of "his" guys, he never lets go, even when it harms the franchise.

The value of the deal was a stupid decision. The length of the deal was a stupid decision. The name on the deal was a stupid decision. How many chances can one man get after failing so many times. [B] Dallas is nowhere near a Super Bowl as long as Romo is their QB. [/B]

We thank you, Jerry. Your team cannot afford this, in several ways.[/quote]

And as long as Jerry Jones is their GM, which I hope is forever.

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[quote=That Guy;1001223]so is that, "I was wrong, but not because of anything anyone else said, I'm just so smart that I outsmarted myself when I said it was a good idea yesterday."

it's a bad deal for the roids. romo should be happy, cause no one else was going to pay him that much... meaning that it's not really his market value.

that's too much guaranteed money for a guy that's above average but just not notable in any way.[/quote]I reacted to the Eli Manning extension yesterday, apparently.

Reading is fundamental.

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It's definitely worth it to the Dallas Cowboys to keep Tony Romo. Tony is clearly the best quarterback the franchise has had since Troy Aikman, and I think at this point, Romo has broken some of Troy's records. The Cowboys have been on the better side of .500 since Romo has been starter, netting two NFC East titles and three playoff berths. The Cowboys came close to another division title this past year as well as another playoff berth, so Jones still feels Tony can lead the Cowboys to potential greatness.

What we all see is a quarterback who probably at this age, has reached his performance ceiling - at least us being Redskins fans hopes this is true. Even still, if that IS the case, Romo could very easily remain at that ceiling for another two maybe three years. Which means, a potential for the division crown and playoffs for the next two to three years. What will hurt those chances, of course, is major injury and losing key players. The latter of the two being the most likely, since it looks like the Cowboys could be in cap Hell pretty soon.

So, with that said, is Tony Romo worth it this much to the Cowboys? Apparently yes. They are willing to ride it out with Romo and hope that 2013 is a special season for the Dallas Cowboys, because they realize that this team is going to start falling apart after 2013 unless they draft greatly.

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[quote=skinsguy;1001523]Tony is clearly the best quarterback the franchise has had since Troy Aikman...[/quote]

Jon Kitna
Stephen McGee
Brad Johnson
Drew Bledsoe
Quincy Carter
Vinny Testeverde
Drew Henson
Chad Hutchinson
Anthony Wright
Ryan Leaf
Clint Stoemer
Randall Cunningham
Anthony Wright
Jason Garrett

List is starters since 1999, not including Aikman.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1001316]And as long as Jerry Jones is their GM, which I hope is forever.[/quote]

Heard that. He'll definitely be the GM for as long as he's standing. His ego won't allow anything else.