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[quote=Alvin Walton;1009598]Not much different than the shit you have been slinging.
....[/quote]


.... a tremendous difference.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1009569]I'm confused. Did you not understand the article?




This isn't somebody's opinion.[/quote]

That's pretty stupid. Its a country spread out with only 300,000 people. We know here the bigger the city the more crime. Go to fly over country and the crime rates drop like in Iceland. Also their conclusion is opinion.

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[quote=Giantone;1009604].... a tremendous difference.[/quote]

Do you need a box of tissues?


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[quote=Giantone;1009604].... a tremendous difference.[/quote]

The exchange rate is more than fair, you've used 'Right-wing gun nut' multiple times.

I doubt very much that any of the pro-gun rights people on this board are 'Right-wing gun nuts, but that wouldn't fit in with your bed-wetting hysterical viewpoint, would it?

[QUOTE=Giantone;1009565]I see you can make jokes as others lose their lives, interesting how you right wing gun nuts do that try and make things lite ,spin it to suit you.



[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/jeffrey-nugent-says-his-brother-ted-nugent-is-wrong-on-background-checks/2013/05/17/cdbfca92-bca6-11e2-89c9-3be8095fe767_story.html?hpid=z2"]Jeffrey Nugent says his brother Ted Nugent is wrong on background checks - The Washington Post[/URL][/QUOTE]




[QUOTE=Giantone;1009567]LOL, gives one students opinion .[/QUOTE]
So, you call me a right wing gun nut (I promise I am neither), push an article that is one guys impassioned opinion, than bash another article as a student's opinion.

and you conveniently ignore any facts in any of the points presented against your position.

one of the worst thing about the state of our country's political discourse is that it is wrapped up in hyperbole, highly emotionalized, and mostly lacking in rational critical discussion.

if Sandy, and Moore, have shown us anything, life is given and taken in tragedy every day, I am done trying to explain why "just one life" is an emotionally cynical push to get a bad law passed that normally would not have a chance.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1009683]

if Sandy, and Moore, have shown us anything, life is given and taken in tragedy every day, I am done trying to explain why "just one life" is an emotionally cynical push to get a bad law passed that normally would not have a chance.[/quote]


1)Sandy and Moore are two completely different thing and Ray Charles could see that.
2) It's not that "you're done explaining" ,fact is you still haven't come up with any good reason yet why if a law that one side says won't work anyway, saves just one life ...is a bad law .

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[quote=RedskinRat;1009614]The exchange rate is more than fair, you've used 'Right-wing gun nut' multiple times.

I doubt very much that any of the pro-gun rights people on this board are 'Right-wing gun nuts, but that wouldn't fit in with your bed-wetting hysterical viewpoint, would it?[/quote]



lol, I see I hit a nerve with the PEP Boys of the board.

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[quote=Giantone;1009700]lol, I see I hit a nerve with the PEP Boys of the board.[/quote]

Spoken like a true troll.
Why are you on this board?
To act like an ass?

[QUOTE=Giantone;1009700]lol, I see I hit a nerve with the PEP Boys of the board.[/QUOTE]


I just explained the insult exchange rate, nothing more. You give yourself too much credit.

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[quote=Giantone;1009699]1)Sandy and Moore are two completely different thing and Ray Charles could see that.
2) It's not that "you're done explaining" ,fact is you still haven't come up with any good reason yet why if a law that one side says won't work anyway, saves just one life ...is a bad law .[/quote]

Fact is you have not responded with one reason that says it is not a bad law, and I have listed several reasons why the justification of "saving just one life" is a bad method for writing new laws.

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[quote=Giantone;1009699]1)Sandy and Moore are two completely different thing and Ray Charles could see that.
2) It's not that "you're done explaining" ,fact is you still haven't come up [B]with any good reason yet why if a law that one side says won't work anyway, saves just one life ...is a bad law[/B] .[/quote]

A law that saves one life is just a bad law. Then we would not have anymore buckets, electricity, cars, bikes, plane, trains, bath tub, showers, etc... I could go on all day. Just about everything we make has killed one person in some way so if your willing to make a law to save one life lets not stop there.

BTW I forgot football and how many people have died playing the game.

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Law Banning 4th Grade field trips enacted after tragedy:

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/23/1-child-dead-1-missing-after-landslide-sweeps-over-fourth-graders-on-field-trip/?intcmp=trending]1 child dead, 1 missing after landslide sweeps over fourth-graders on field trip in Minn. | Fox News[/url]

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[quote=firstdown;1009729]A law that saves one life is just a bad law. .[/quote]

If any parent that has lost a child has a choice and that one law would save their child how much you wanna bet it wouldn't be a bad law?

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[quote=Giantone;1009934]If any parent that has lost a child has a choice and that one law would save their child how much you wanna bet it wouldn't be a bad law?[/quote]

They have already lost a child, how would that law save anyone? All your suggesting is allowing piss poor parenting to be hand-held by the rest of society.

No.

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[quote=Giantone;1009934]If any parent that has lost a child has a choice and that one law would save their child how much you wanna bet it wouldn't be a bad law?[/quote]

Then address the post above yours.
Would you ban field trips?

(this is so looney I cant believe I'm even asking this question)

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1009943]Then address the post above yours.
Would you ban field trips?

(this is so looney I cant believe I'm even asking this question)[/quote]

Consider it an act of charity. Keeping GiantOne from annoying members of another forum.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1009936]They have already lost a child, how would that law save anyone? All your suggesting is allowing piss poor parenting to be hand-held by the rest of society.

No.[/quote]

wow, this is........wow.



I didn't realize pro gun nuts could be this ignorant, I was wrong.

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[quote=Giantone;1009958]wow, this is........wow.



I didn't realize pro gun nuts could be this ignorant, I was wrong.[/quote]


You're really not very articulate, are you? "Wow"? You come across as a Twittering teenage girl, not a particularly bright one either.

Just point out where I'm wrong, bed-wetter. Try. Go on.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1009959]You're really not very articulate, are you? "Wow"? You come across as a Twittering teenage girl, not a particularly bright one either.

Just point out where I'm wrong, bed-wetter. Try. Go on.[/quote]

Your assumption that all child deaths or violence is due to "piss poor parenting" , is moronic. You also need to learn how to read . #93

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1009865]Law Banning 4th Grade field trips enacted after tragedy:

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/23/1-child-dead-1-missing-after-landslide-sweeps-over-fourth-graders-on-field-trip/?intcmp=trending"]1 child dead, 1 missing after landslide sweeps over fourth-graders on field trip in Minn. | Fox News[/URL]

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Ok, I'll agree to that law and you must agree to a law where no child under the age of 15 can have a gun

[QUOTE=Giantone;1009961]Ok, I'll agree to that law and you must agree to a law where no child under the age of 15 can have a gun[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't agree to either law, because both would be based on flawed logic.

edit: on reflection, I am pretty sure most laws don't allow children under 15 to purchase or own guns so I guess you are on your way to banning field trips.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1009968]I wouldn't agree to either law, because both would be based on flawed logic.

edit: on reflection, I am pretty sure most laws don't allow children under 15 to purchase or own guns so I guess you are on your way to banning field trips.[/quote]


You're argument is nothing but flawed logic, lol, again reading is fundamental....I never said "purchase or own guns" ,I said have a gun.

[QUOTE=Giantone;1009989]You're argument is nothing but flawed logic, lol, again reading is fundamental....I never said "purchase or own guns" ,I said have a gun.[/QUOTE]

So they can't purchase or own legally now but you want the law to read "can't have guns"?? How would they "have a gun" without owning it?

[QUOTE=Giantone;1009961]Ok, I'll agree to that law and you must agree to a law where no child under the age of 15 can have a gun[/QUOTE]

So no more field trips for 4th graders. What else are you going to outlaw in your crusade to stop accidents from happening?

I really cannot believe if you are actually as dumb as you seem to be.

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[quote=Giantone;1009989]You're argument is nothing but flawed logic, lol, again reading is fundamental....I never said "purchase or own guns" ,I said have a gun.[/quote]

I understood what you meant, but assumed(apparently incorrectly) that you misspoke. Assuming that you are defining "have" in that sentence to mean that a law should be written that makes it illegal for a child under 15 (kind of an arbitrary age) to, in any way, shape or form; use, handle, or bring into their possession -without ownership- a firearm would be a dramatic change in current laws. Further, to say that a child, with proper parental supervision, can't have a gun is to go against 200+ years of US history. To enforce such a law would be practically impossible, and enforcement after a tragic accident like this one can be handled by existing laws.

The fact is you can be taught to be safe with guns, and responsible parents who own guns understand that you need to make their children aware of the dangers and keep them secured so that unsupervised children don't have access to them.

Most 5 year olds, if they have no or improper supervision, will drown if they go to into a pool. The parent would be negligent at that point. But a 5 year old with proper supervision can be taught to respect the dangers of a large body of water, and still learn how to enjoy swimming in it. No one thinks that a 5 year old should have unsupervised access to a gun, and if it is allowed and tragedy occurs, that parent or adult who was responsible should be punished to the full extent of the law. But, you can teach children to respect and be aware of the dangers, and teach them the right way to use it safely.

In the OP, those parents were irresponsible, and there are laws on the books that should be used to punish them appropriately.

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[quote=Giantone;1009960]Your assumption that all child deaths or violence is due to "piss poor parenting" , is moronic. You also need to learn how to read . #93[/quote]

Please point to where I stated 'All child deaths'.

Eventually you'll realize that your brand of hysterical rhetoric doesn't work here. Thanks for playing though, it brightens my day.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1009992]I really cannot believe if you are actually as dumb as you seem to be.[/quote]

He's a Giants fan, it's not THAT much of a stretch.

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another tragedy:

[url=http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/06/20/13-year-old-charged-with-killing-sister-5/UPI-31021371733145/]New Orleans police arrest boy, 13, for allegedly killing sister, 5 - UPI.com[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1012790]another tragedy:

[URL="http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/06/20/13-year-old-charged-with-killing-sister-5/UPI-31021371733145/"]New Orleans police arrest boy, 13, for allegedly killing sister, 5 - UPI.com[/URL][/quote]

A 13 yr old is old enough to know what they are doing and its not like he tried doing one move that killed her.

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]"He told investigators his sister told him he was hurting her, but he continued to slam, punch and elbow her."




Read more: [url=http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/06/20/13-year-old-charged-with-killing-sister-5/UPI-31021371733145/#ixzz2WrC408Qr]New Orleans police arrest boy, 13, for allegedly killing sister, 5 - UPI.com[/url][/COLOR][/LEFT]

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[url=http://us.cnn.com/2013/06/21/us/north-carolina-shooting/index.html?sr=sharebar_facebook]Gunman shoots 4 in North Carolina - CNN.com[/url]


Our small town made national news for all the wrong reasons. People are stupid. Mental health is truly a big issue in the US. (probably the world)

Props to the local police officers for responding so quickly.

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Still don't understand why gun owners who kill people or leave guns lying around are mental cases ...only after the shooting, before hand they are good solid responsible NRA gun owning citizens, why is that?

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[quote=Giantone;1012942]Still don't understand why gun owners who kill people or leave guns lying around are mental cases ...only after the shooting, before hand they are good solid responsible NRA gun owning citizens, why is that?[/quote]

The NRA's misguided belief is that all mistakes are preventable. In every death case listed in this thread, someone could have done something to prevent the death. But the point is we're humans, we're not perfect, we never will be. If guns are in homes some kids are going to die, because there will be a fraction who make mistakes. That's not successful prevention.

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Some people just shouldn't have guns, much like some people shouldn't have kids. And when you combine the two it's a bomb waiting to go off.

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[quote=Schneed10;1012954]The NRA's misguided belief is that all mistakes are preventable. In every death case listed in this thread, someone could have done something to prevent the death. But the point is we're humans, we're not perfect, we never will be. If guns are in homes some kids are going to die, because there will be a fraction who make mistakes. That's not successful prevention.[/quote]
It seems clear we should outlaw people and endorse a new species......

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/shooter-kills-robber-self-defense-while-waiting-line-215135252.html]Y! SPORTS[/url]


Don't be trying to rob the homies at the LBJ shoe release.

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All the other kids with the pumped up kicks you better run.

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[quote=Schneed10;1013066]All the other kids with the pumped up kicks you better run.[/quote]

That is my 5 year old son's favorite song. He doesn't understand it but he sings along too it all the time.

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i am really on the fence on whether i want to own a gun or not.

right now we live in a very safe neighborhood and have no need for protection but . .

when we move to treme i may feel differently. im not sure my 60 lb mutt is all i need in terms of home security. before when i lived in unsavory places, he was all i needed bc i didnt have a kid but now . .

idk, im really torn on the issue. then when we move back to maryand we are probably looking for a home in a not so great but affordable area . .

really on the fence.

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if you choose to own a gun just commit early and often to the safety training involved. (I may get hammered on this point but) train your children early that real guns are not toys, show them the basic safety points, and stress they aren't to use them without supervision. Above all, keep them it in a good lock box, and keep weapon unloaded except when being used for training or obviously actual need.

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if only they had had a gun in the home.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfLfI7pxr68]Scary home invasion caught on tape in Millburn, New Jersey - YouTube[/url]