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[quote=SmootSmack;1011286]If a college age kid is considered old enough to be trusted to go to war then he should be considered old enough to know not to assault/abuse a woman[/quote]


Men should be taught that from day one , not matter what their age.

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[quote=Mattyk;1011003]Like I said, this line of thinking led to these issues.

You're basically throwing your hands up and saying oh well, when men and women get together shit happens.

Lame.

The military clearly looked the other way for too long and did not have policies in place to discourage this behavior and to properly discipline those that were clearly way out of line.[/quote]

Your 40 these kids are half your age. Your talking young kids living together, tight quarters, etc... and this will happen. Remember a comment can be sexual assult. "Hey baby you have a fine ass" is considered a sexual assault if its an unwanted comment and reported its counted. My guess many of these cases are simple unwanted comment made to a woman.

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^ Yes I'm sure all the fuss is over some rude comments.

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Why didnt the top brass in front of congress go with that defense last week?

"We investigated and most sexual assaults were actually compliments taken the wrong way."

I tell ya, that explanation belongs in the FD Hall of Fame. Thats just a classic.

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[quote=Mattyk;1011414]^ Yes I'm sure all the fuss is over some rude comments.[/quote]

The fuss is over the large number and my guess is that number is inflated because a rude comment is considered. I actually think it should be considered a complment.

BTW I did not make that up.

Unwanted sexual contact is everything from somebody looking at you sideways when they shouldn't to someone pushing you up against the wall and brutally raping you

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[quote=firstdown;1011426]The fuss is over the large number and my guess is that number is inflated because a rude comment is considered. I actually think it should be considered a complment.

BTW I did not make that up.

Unwanted sexual contact is everything from somebody looking at you sideways when they shouldn't to someone pushing you up against the wall and brutally raping you[/quote]

The world according to FD.

Brilliant stuff.

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[quote=firstdown;1011406]Your 40 these kids are half your age. Your talking young kids living together, tight quarters, etc... and this will happen. Remember a comment can be sexual assult. "Hey baby you have a fine ass" is considered a sexual assault if its an unwanted comment and reported its counted. My guess many of these cases are simple unwanted comment made to a woman.[/quote]

:stop::banghead:

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[quote=firstdown;1011426]The fuss is over the large number and my guess is that number is inflated because a rude comment is considered. I actually think it should be considered a complment.

BTW I did not make that up.

Unwanted sexual contact is everything from somebody looking at you sideways when they shouldn't to someone pushing you up against the wall and brutally raping you[/quote]

You're a ****ing moron...feel free to take that as a compliment

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[quote=SmootSmack;1011436]You're a ****ing moron...feel free to take that as a compliment[/quote]

Quoted from the forum rules -

Perhaps [COLOR="Red"][B]the most important guideline of this forum is [/B][/COLOR]this, treat your fellow forum members with the utmost respect at all times. Personal attacks will not be tolerated.


Hard to take those rules seriously when a moderator can go off like that....
:banghead:

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It's clearly a compliment.

Duh.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1011445]Quoted from the forum rules -

Perhaps [COLOR="Red"][B]the most important guideline of this forum is [/B][/COLOR]this, treat your fellow forum members with the utmost respect at all times. Personal attacks will not be tolerated.


Hard to take those rules seriously when a moderator can go off like that....
:banghead:[/quote]


I think you missed the point. He was turning FD's logic back on him. After all, it isn't a insult, it's a compliment.

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[IMG]http://cdn.overclock.net/4/47/47e8dbce_Point_over_your_head1.jpeg[/IMG]

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Wow....some serious backtracking and damage control going on.

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You completely missed the point

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quickly turning into the second thread to get locked today

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1011451]Wow....some serious backtracking and damage control going on.[/quote]

Nah, it's just some good old lack of comprehension on your part.

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Big difference between sexual [B][U]ASSAULT[/U][/B] and sexual harassment, FD.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;1011468]Big difference between sexual [B][U]ASSAULT[/U][/B] and sexual harassment, FD.[/quote]

I give you credit for trying.

Now I'll just sit back and grab my popcorn.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1011445]Quoted from the forum rules -

Perhaps [COLOR=red][B]the most important guideline of this forum is [/B][/COLOR]this, treat your fellow forum members with the utmost respect at all times. Personal attacks will not be tolerated.


Hard to take those rules seriously when a moderator can go off like that....
:banghead:[/quote]

Mods are people too!:headbanger:

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[quote=724Skinsfan;1011468]Big difference between sexual [B][U]ASSAULT[/U][/B] and sexual harassment, FD.[/quote]


You must be with the media.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1011452]You completely missed the point[/quote]

Well I guess I also missed the point. Those were not my words they were from the article. Dumb ass.

"Unwanted sexual contact is everything from somebody looking at you sideways when they shouldn't to someone pushing you up against the wall and brutally raping you," [B]said Democratic Senator Claire McCaskill[/B], a former sex crimes prosecutor.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;1011468]Big difference between sexual [B][U]ASSAULT[/U][/B] and sexual harassment, FD.[/quote]

If anyone of you decided to actually read the article that started the thread they did not separate the two in their count in 2012.

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[quote=firstdown;1011548]Well I guess I also missed the point. Those were not my words they were from the article. Dumb ass.

"Unwanted sexual contact is everything from somebody looking at you sideways when they shouldn't to someone pushing you up against the wall and brutally raping you," [B]said Democratic Senator Claire McCaskill[/B], a former sex crimes prosecutor.[/quote]

If you don't take it out of context, you see that the Democratic senator was faulting the military for not separating it out:

[quote]A study the Defense Department released in May estimated that cases of unwanted sexual contact in the military, from groping to rape, rose 37 percent in 2012, to about 26,000 cases, from 19,000 the previous year.

[B]Lawmakers scorned top brass for failing to break down that data.[/B]

"Unwanted sexual contact is everything from somebody looking at you sideways when they shouldn't to someone pushing you up against the wall and brutally raping you," said Democratic Senator Claire McCaskill, a former sex crimes prosecutor.[/quote]

In other words, the military was trying to lump big cases with small in order to minimize the issue.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1011550]If you don't take it out of context, you see that the Democratic senator was faulting the military for not separating it out:



In other words, the military was trying to lump big cases with small in order to minimize the issue.[/quote]

I know that was my point as to why the problem seems so bad and the numbers so high. Seems people that have a problem with what I was saying did not read the article and had no idea what I was talking about.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;1011468]Big difference between sexual [B][U]ASSAULT[/U][/B] and sexual harassment, FD.[/quote]

If you read the article you would know they didn't separat the two in their numbers like I was saying.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1011550]If you don't take it out of context, you see that the Democratic senator was faulting the military for not separating it out:



In other words, the military was trying to lump big cases with small in order to minimize the issue.[/quote]

Adding them together would minimize? I would think removing the minor stuff would minimize the numbers.

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[quote=firstdown;1011580]Adding them together would minimize? I would think removing the minor stuff would minimize the numbers.[/quote]

Except that like you were trying to do - claiming a verbal assault is lumped in with the more serious stuff thus saying it's just college kids doing what they do.

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[quote=firstdown;1011580]Adding them together would minimize? I would think removing the minor stuff would minimize the numbers.[/quote]

Minimize the issue is what he said, not minimize the numbers

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[quote=Giantone;1011382]When in doubt cry about the "Constitution" weather it has anything to do with the argument or not.[/quote]

I'm just speechless at the stupidity of this statement. There is a reason our government is put in check. There is a reason why they are required to have warrants to obtain confiscate, inspect or search your property. The Constitution has everything to do with it.


[quote=Giantone;1011382]People like you are screaming about right to privacy show me where it says you right to privacy can be the cause for innocent American citizens to be murdered by terrorist? [/quote]

Another stupid ass statement. My right to privacy can be the cause for innocent American citizens to be murdered by terrorist? Are you a Fox News listener by chance? That sounds like garbage being fed by a bunch of fear mongering media outlets. They want you to be scared. Why? Scared people will give up anything to feel "protected". Also, how is not invading my privacy causing innocent Americans to die?



[quote=Giantone;1011382]Republicans and Democrats alike have a greed the program is (was) working, like it or not the American public does not have the "right" to know everything that goes on to protect them.[/quote]

This means what to me? Have you seen the state of our country? So if both parties are agreeing with it, chances are it's definitely something we shouldn't be doing. That said, even the guy that created the Patriot Act is questioning this. Hey, the dumbass should have thought of that when it was brought up.

The actual breakdown on who voted for the renewal of the Patriot Act. I thought the GOP were suppposed to be staunch supporters of the Constitution? I guess that only applies to gun laws since they are getting NRA funds.

[url=http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/112/senate/1/84]Congressional Bills and Votes - NYTimes.com[/url]

Here you have the head of the NSA outright lying to a Congressman about the NSA collecting data.

[YT]T9ss2_0emOY[/YT]


...and you want me to put my trust and faith in those assholes? Nevertheless the assholes in Congress.

You sir are naive as hell. I'll leave you with this quote from a man much smarter than you, me or anybody in our current government.


[I]"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."[/I] -[B]Benjamin Franklin[/B]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1011582]Except that like you were trying to do - claiming a verbal assault is lumped in with the more serious stuff thus saying it's just college kids doing what they do.[/quote]

I'm not trying to do that its the military that lumped them together. What's so hard to under stand here. I agree its a serious issue I'm, just saying the number is way over inflated because they have lumped everything together. Do you think that in 2012 the military actually had 26,000 sexual assults?

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[quote=firstdown;1011700]I'm not trying to do that its the military that lumped them together. What's so hard to under stand here. I agree its a serious issue I'm, just saying the number is way over inflated because they have lumped everything together. Do you think that in 2012 the military actually had 26,000 sexual assults?[/quote]

From my time in the military, and the fact that we have 1.4 Million active duty members, yes, I could see 26,000 sexual assaults, or more specifically, I could see the percentage of sexual assaults significantly outweighing the lesser included type charges.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1011704]From my time in the military, and the fact that we have 1.4 Million active duty members, yes, I could see 26,000 sexual assaults, or more specifically, I could see the percentage of sexual assaults significantly outweighing the lesser included type charges.[/quote]

I just read that number of 26,000 was not reported cases but from a survey done and a estimate from a survey.

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Overall, there were 3,374 reports of sexual assault during the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30.

—Based on that number and anonymous surveys of service members, the Pentagon estimates that as many as 26,000 military members may have been sexually assaulted last year.

Breaking the numbers down:

—Of the 3,374 reported sexual assaults, there were 3,604 victims, because there often is more than one victim or more than one crime in a report. Of those victims, nearly 3,000 were service members.

—Nearly 800 cases involved victims who did not file complaints against their alleged attackers but simply sought help.

Victims in the 2,558 reports that triggered complaints were:

—88 percent women

—66 percent between 20 and 34 years old

—Mostly low-ranking service members

—More than 1,100 were in the Army, the largest military service; nearly 600 in the Navy; nearly 300 in the Air Force and 239 in the Marine Corps.

—573 were not members of the U.S. military.

The suspects:

—90 percent were male; 2 percent were female; others were unidentified.

—36 percent were between 20-24 years old; 30 percent were 25-34 years old. In two cases the suspect was 65 or older.

—Most were in the lower to middle enlisted ranks.

—More than 1,200 were Army; about 550 were Navy and more than 330 were either Air Force or Marine.

Alleged crime:

—Rape, 27 percent; aggravated sexual assault and sexual assault 28 percent; aggravated or abusive sexual contact, 35 percent; nonconsensual sodomy, 6 percent

— More than 2,100 cases involved a male suspect/female victim; in 194 cases both were male; in 23 cases it was a female suspect/male victim and in 26 cases they were both female

—The alleged attack took place most often on a Saturday or Sunday, in the very late night or early morning hours.

Judgment:

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[quote=firstdown;1011700]I'm not trying to do that its the military that lumped them together. What's so hard to under stand here. I agree its a serious issue I'm, just saying the number is way over inflated because they have lumped everything together. Do you think that in 2012 the military actually had 26,000 sexual assults?[/quote]

What did you mean then earlier when you said "Is this even news"

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[quote=SmootSmack;1011724]What did you mean then earlier when you said "Is this even news"[/quote]

*crickets*

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[quote=firstdown;1011278]Is this really news? I could have told you back when women started joining that if you mix young men and women into the military this would happen. For the most part we are talking college age kids and a little older.[/quote]

I explained it here. Tight quarters young men with women and it was going to happen. Never said it was right just said its not a surprising its happening.

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[quote=firstdown;1011805]I explained it here. Tight quarters young men with women and it was going to happen. Never said it was right just said its not a surprising its happening.[/quote]

Ok well when I read that post I thought you were saying what's the big deal?

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Thats the only post where I said "is this really news". So am I still &^%$ing moron?

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[quote=firstdown;1011818]Thats the only post where I said "is this really news". So am I still &^%$ing moron?[/quote]

I think you missed the point I was trying to make on the moron statement. But I'm sorry about that.

Moving on

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[quote=SmootSmack;1011821]I think you missed the point I was trying to make on the moron statement. But I'm sorry about that.

Moving on[/quote]

But you hurt my feelings. I think you need to take a sinsitivity training course.