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What the thread proves is the list will always be different depending on what criteria is used ,is it clutch play, come from behind wins, regular season stats , playoffs , Super bowls .It's easy to say all of the above but as we have seen not all list include all categories.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1015403]Top 5 right now, IMO:
1. Peyton Manning
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Tom Brady
4. Drew Brees
5. Joe Flacco

I could have gone a lot of different routes for that last spot. Matt Ryan, Eli, and Big Ben. I eliminated Ryan because he's only won 1 playoff game in his 5 years in the league, and he throws to a Hall of Fame TE, and two Pro Bowl WRs. Eli had a decent year last year. He's 2/2 in Super Bowls, but he also throws lots of picks. Big Ben is very good, but when he gets hurt (which is quiet often) his team doesn't do as well, but yet still good enough to win games. Its not like a Peyton Manning where that team crumbles. Also Big Ben may have 2 super bowl rings, but he was awful in his first super bowl, and in his 3rd super bowl appearance his turnovers were ultimately the difference from his team winning and losing. Flacco has always been a good QB, but last year he really did well and come playoff time he outperformed Brady for a 2nd year in a row. In the Super Bowl this year he played better than Brady, either Manning, Brees and very comparable than Rodgers did in their respective super bowl appearances.[/quote]
Good breakdown of the #5 spot and options associated with it. I wonder if Flacco would even be in the consideration if Rahim Moore had taken two more steps before jumping.. Flacco is the most recent example IMO of people being prisoners of the moment.. He's a good QB, no question.. Elite? Eh.. Top 5? Don't see it. One of my criteria is 'can he make up for the deficiencies of his team around him (lack of running game, poor defense, shaky OL). I don't know that Flacco can do any of that.

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[quote=Paintrain;1015554]Good breakdown of the #5 spot and options associated with it. I wonder if Flacco would even be in the consideration if Rahim Moore had taken two more steps before jumping.. Flacco is the most recent example IMO of people being prisoners of the moment.. He's a good QB, no question.. Elite? Eh.. Top 5? Don't see it. One of my criteria is 'can he make up for the deficiencies of his team around him (lack of running game, poor defense, shaky OL). I don't know that Flacco can do any of that.[/quote]

Yeah and don't get me wrong any of those are guys are good options, but like I said, this is my list Right Now, not history of these guys careers. So heading into 2013's season I see these guys as the top 5 best QBs. Obviously at this point next year we'll be changing this list around. (Hopefully) RG3 will be on this list next year.

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[quote=Paintrain;1015554] One of my criteria is 'can he make up for the deficiencies of his team around him (lack of running game, poor defense, shaky OL).[/quote]

I think if I had to synthesize my criteria it would come down to this.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1015485]Eli is also better than Dan Marino. :pffff: :Flush:[/quote]


Ya think Dan would take one of Eli's super bowl wins , IMO hell yes....in a NY min!

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[quote=Giantone;1015590]Ya think Dan would take one of Eli's super bowl wins , IMO hell yes....in a NY min![/quote]

Of course Marino wishes that he had a ring. But that doesn't mean that Eli is better than Marino and so is irrelevant to a discussion about who's better.

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[quote=FRPLG;1015544]The "winning" QB argument is bogus. 100%. There are 11 players on the field for a team on each offensive play. The QB is obviously the MOST important player of the 11 but he doesn't achieve success or failure alone. Since you can't ascribe 100% of the success/failure to the QB you can't treat overall success/failure as the sole component. Winning QBs don't have some magic power that other QBs don't have...they have a better team. They get no individual credit for that.[/quote]

I don't think that anyone said that the overall success of a QB's team should be used as the sole component for ranking him. For example, we all know that Dan Marino was one of the greatest QB's ever even though he didn't play on dominant teams.

On the other hand, we also know that Tony Romo choked in big games when he had good players surrounding him. Shouldn't that affect his ranking?

Although winning or losing in big games is not an absolute when ranking QB's, I think that it should be used as a factor for ranking QB's who had their chances.

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A big big part of our offense was the threat of RG3 running the ball. I would say the weakness of the offense was when defenses knew we had to throw. The offense was ranked pretty low on 3rd downs. That's not all RG3 but some of it is. He has to improve there.

Also..did everyone around here just forget about Cam Newton? I think he's still a pretty damn good player and you could put him right in there with the guys we're talking about..RG3, Wilson, Kap...Can anyone name his wr's outside of 50 year old Steve Smith?

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[quote=Lotus;1015591]Of course Marino wishes that he had a ring. But that doesn't mean that Eli is better than Marino and so is irrelevant to a discussion about who's better.[/quote]

It wasn't me that brought it up.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1015652]A big big part of our offense was the threat of RG3 running the ball. I would say the weakness of the offense was when defenses knew we had to throw. The offense was ranked pretty low on 3rd downs. That's not all RG3 but some of it is. He has to improve there.

Also..did everyone around here just forget about Cam Newton? I think he's still a pretty damn good player and you could put him right in there with the guys we're talking about..RG3, Wilson, Kap...Can anyone name his wr's outside of 50 year old Steve Smith?[/quote]

Cam still has a ways to go when it comes to his leadership/maturity. Smith is still very good too.

No I haven't forgot cam, I would still take him over many QBs including Kaep and Wilson, just wait and see who ends up better.

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[url=http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Late-For-Work-718-Jaws-Shocks-By-Ranking-Joe-Flacco-Above-Drew-Brees/10576e7d-1a39-4f7f-814e-56cabb317189]Late For Work 7/18: Jaws Shocks By Ranking Joe Flacco Above Drew Brees[/url]


:laughing2

Flacco over Brees? See this is the shit I'm talking about why I feel Jaws "lists" are so full of shit.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1015962][url=http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Late-For-Work-718-Jaws-Shocks-By-Ranking-Joe-Flacco-Above-Drew-Brees/10576e7d-1a39-4f7f-814e-56cabb317189]Late For Work 7/18: Jaws Shocks By Ranking Joe Flacco Above Drew Brees[/url]


:laughing2

Flacco over Brees? See this is the shit I'm talking about the why I feel Jaws "lists" are so full of shit.[/quote]

Wow, Jaws just took a big hit in my eyes. Not really killing Flacco here but Brees is clearly the better QB in terms of production, accuracy, leadership, pretty much everything you want from a QB.. Even Flacco had to be thinking, 'really Jaws?'

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yeah this pretty much does it for this list... Flacco over Brees? CMON MAN

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1015966]yeah this pretty much does it for this list... Flacco over Brees? CMON MAN[/quote]Agreed. I think it's debatable who's better between eli and flacco, but including Drew Brees there's no comparison. Flaccos above average and deserves some big contract, but he's definitely not elite.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1015962][url=http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Late-For-Work-718-Jaws-Shocks-By-Ranking-Joe-Flacco-Above-Drew-Brees/10576e7d-1a39-4f7f-814e-56cabb317189]Late For Work 7/18: Jaws Shocks By Ranking Joe Flacco Above Drew Brees[/url]


:laughing2

Flacco over Brees? See this is the shit I'm talking about why I feel Jaws "lists" are so full of shit.[/quote]

what a f*cking joke. done with jaws

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If you flip flop Matt Ryan with Drew Brees, then Jaws and I would have the same top 5 QBs. But we don't and this is why I don't like Jaws (picking Flacco and Ryan before Brees).

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Which current QBs do you guys think are elite? I realize what is "elite" and whom is entirely subjective.

My list is (in no particular order inside category):

ELITE: Peyton, Brady, Rodgers

ELITE IF THEY KEEP GOING: Newton, RGIII, Kaep, RW, Luck.

NOT QUITE ELITE: Big Ben, Brees, Rivers

NOT ELITE BUT VERY GOOD: Flacco, Eli, Ryan, Romo, Cutler, Stafford, Dalton

EVERYBODY ELSE

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Brees is elite, the guy puts up monster numbers.

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Elites are basically quarterbacks that will always put up big numbers and put your team in a position to win games, basically the 4 quarterbacks that are in every persons top 5:
Tom Brady
Aaron Rogers
Peyton manning
Drew Brees

The folks that rotate for the 5th spot (basically the qbs that you can argue for and against): Eli, Ryan, flacco and Big Ben.

Everyone else still has a lot to prove or has just one good season(rookies) and just need to show more consistency.

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[quote=Mattyk;1015996]Brees is elite, the guy puts up monster numbers.[/quote]

He also plays in a QB friendly system. No question, Brees is a great QB. I wonder if Flacco was in Peyton's offense would he put up similar numbers. Flacco can certainly make all the throws, and can perhaps makes some that Brees can't.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1016000]He also plays in a QB friendly system. No question, Brees is a great QB. I wonder if Flacco was in Peyton's offense would he put up similar numbers. Flacco can certainly make all the throws, and can perhaps makes some that Brees can't.[/quote]I'm taking MattyK's words to heart that Brees is elite. IMO he makes better and quicker reads than Flacco. I guess one reason I discount Brees is I consider him truly benefiting from being a "dome QB". I think Brees gets more of a pass on that than Peyton and others in that regard, SMH.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1016001]I'm taking MattyK's words to heart that Brees is elite. IMO he makes better and quicker reads than Flacco. I guess one reason I discount Brees is I consider him truly benefiting from being a "dome QB". I think Brees gets more of a pass on that than Peyton and others in that regard, SMH.[/quote]

I agree there...he seems to play faster than Flacco.

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Breesus elevates the play of his teammates in a way that Flacco does not. And I like Flacco.

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the numbers Brees has put up the last 2 season are incredible. Lead all QBs in yardage while breaking the all time season yardage mark and in touchdowns.

So tell me again how Flacco jumps Brees this year? Dude is gettin Sean Payton back with a massive chip on his shoulder. NFC South is gonna be fun to watch this year, I think the Saints rebound to win it.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byposition?pos=QB&conference=NFL&year=season_2012&sort=5&timeframe=All]NFL - Statistics by Position - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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Drew Bree's almost threw double the amount of touchdowns flacco threw this past year... Without a coach. I don't think there is really a comparison between joe flacco who's never thrown over 30 touchdown passes and a guy who has thrown for over 5000 yards and 40 plus touchdowns in back to back seasons. Some of it is the system but most of it is drew Brees being an elite quarterback. Throwing for 40+ touchdowns in back to back years is remarkable regardless of system. It's just my opinion but drew Brees is a first ballot hall of famer, flacco at this point in his career wouldn't be close to getting in.

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Smoot, can you get somebody at ESPN to drug test Jaws....:laughing-

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[quote=HailGreen28;1015993]Which current QBs do you guys think are elite? I realize what is "elite" and whom is entirely subjective.

My list is (in no particular order inside category):

ELITE: Peyton, Brady, Rodgers

ELITE IF THEY KEEP GOING: Newton, RGIII, Kaep, RW, Luck.

NOT QUITE ELITE: Big Ben, Brees, Rivers

NOT ELITE BUT VERY GOOD: Flacco, Eli, Ryan, Romo, Cutler, Stafford, Dalton

EVERYBODY ELSE[/quote]


LOL , good thing you don't work for the NFL.:doh:

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[quote=Giantone;1016027]LOL , good thing you don't work for the NFL.:doh:[/quote]When you have any substance to add to the conversation, feel free.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1016029]When you have any substance to add to the conversation, feel free.[/quote]

You want your "list" to be taken seriously and I understand opinions and such ,yet you say that 2 of the only 3 QB's playing in the NFL right now with more than one Super Bowl win are only good not "elite" .I realize you're a hater but really , the list is a joke. Rivers ahead of Eli is a joke in it's self but to have him with Brees and Big Ben it boarders on , well , drug testing.

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[quote=Giantone;1016077]You want your "list" to be taken seriously and I understand opinions and such ,yet you say that 2 of the only 3 QB's playing in the NFL right now with more than one Super Bowl win are only good not "elite" .I realize you're a hater but really , the list is a joke. Rivers ahead of Eli is a joke in it's self but to have him with Brees and Big Ben it boarders on , well , drug testing.[/quote]This from the guy who thinks
[quote=Giantone;1015391]Top 5 , my 5 Brady ,Rogers ,Brees ,Roethlisberger , Eli , [B][U]Peyton is 6 to me [/U][/B]playoffs and super bowls are what it is about.[/quote]I guess by your criteria of playoffs and SBs, Dilfer = Peyton too, right? :laughing2 If not, explain and contradict yourself.

Rivers stats: [URL="http://www.nfl.com/player/philiprivers/2506121/careerstats"]LINK[/URL]
116 starts, 2,268 of 3,564 (63.6) for 27,891 yards (7.8), 189 touchdowns and 93 interceptions. Career QBR 94.5.

E. Manning stats: [URL="http://www.nfl.com/player/elimanning/2505996/careerstats"]LINK[/URL]
135 starts, 2,612 of 4,457 (58.6) for 31,527 yards (7.1), 211 touchdowns and 144 interceptions. Career QBR 82.7.

Among other stats favoring Rivers, wow Eli has well over 50% MORE INTS than Philip.
:doh:

The other career stats from the link above: Rivers has better completion %, better avg. gain, better yds/game, better TD %, better INT %, and better QBR.

And if you watch them play, there is really no comparison. Rivers makes quicker reads and has a better arm. He has to, Rivers has never had as good an OL as Eli has. The Gnats won two SB *despite* trading Rivers for Manning. Another reason they were lucky, not good. 'Course, I'm glad NY didn't get Rivers, they probably would have won at least one more SB with Philip.


TLDR: Philip >>> Eli. Indisputably. E.Manning isn't even in the same class as Rivers mano-a-mano. The only thing you can say in favor of Eli in this comparison is better "lucky" than good, he didn't earn more rings than Rivers himself.

Thanks for inspiring me to lay all this out, giantone! HTTR!

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[quote=HailGreen28;1016089]This from the guy who thinks
I guess by your criteria of playoffs and SBs, Dilfer = Peyton too, right? :laughing2 If not, explain and contradict yourself.

Rivers stats: [URL="http://www.nfl.com/player/philiprivers/2506121/careerstats"]LINK[/URL]
116 starts, 2,268 of 3,564 (63.6) for 27,891 yards (7.8), 189 touchdowns and 93 interceptions. Career QBR 94.5.

E. Manning stats: [URL="http://www.nfl.com/player/elimanning/2505996/careerstats"]LINK[/URL]
135 starts, 2,612 of 4,457 (58.6) for 31,527 yards (7.1), 211 touchdowns and 144 interceptions. Career QBR 82.7.

Among other stats favoring Rivers, wow Eli has well over 50% MORE INTS than Philip.
:doh:

The other career stats from the link above: Rivers has better completion %, better avg. gain, better yds/game, better TD %, better INT %, and better QBR.

And if you watch them play, there is really no comparison. Rivers makes quicker reads and has a better arm. He has to, Rivers has never had as good an OL as Eli has. The Gnats won two SB *despite* trading Rivers for Manning. Another reason they were lucky, not good. 'Course, I'm glad NY didn't get Rivers, they probably would have won at least one more SB with Philip.


TLDR: Philip >>> Eli. Indisputably. E.Manning isn't even in the same class as Rivers mano-a-mano. The only thing you can say in favor of Eli in this comparison is better "lucky" than good, he didn't earn more rings than Rivers himself.

Thanks for inspiring me to lay all this out, giantone! HTTR![/quote]

I hate She lie!!

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[quote=Giantone;1016077]You want your "list" to be taken seriously and I understand opinions and such ,yet you say that 2 of the only 3 QB's playing in the NFL right now with more than one Super Bowl win are only good not "elite" .I realize you're a hater but really , the list is a joke. Rivers ahead of Eli is a joke in it's self but to have him with Brees and Big Ben it boarders on , well , drug testing.[/quote]

Wha??? I'm not sure what you're referring to when you mention Brees and Big Ben, but if you're contending that Eli is a better QB than either, you're nuts. Especially Brees -- there's just nobody but a Giants fan that wouldn't take him over Eli in a heartbeat.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1016090]I hate She lie!![/quote]Lol, funny thing is, to me Eli is one of the least objectionable players on that dirty, flopping, OL-holding, crooked owner team. I don't hate him, it's just laughable that Gnat fans compare Eli favorably to Rivers, let alone Brees, Peyton, Brady....

I mean, way back when we won with Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien, I don't recall Skins fans claiming they were as good as Montana, Young, Elway, etc...

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Philip Rivers and Eli Manning to me are as close as you can get to each other talent wise. I believe that if Rivers had Eli's receivers and running backs, as well as defense, he would have done what Eli did. If Eli had the Chargers team around him that Rivers has had, he prolly would have performed closely to what Rivers did....(although, maybe with a couple more INT's than Rivers, but who's counting)

***(edit)***Actually, Id give the edge to Rivers after checking some stats. Eli's passer rating is 82, and philip rivers is almost 95 over their respective careers. Also, Eli is barely sniffing 58% completion percentage, and Rivers is over 64%. So in terms of overall talent, Id give it to Rivers. Eli has always had a better coach though, and a much better defense.

BTW - neither of them are elite. Eli throws WAY too many INTs to be considered elite, and Rivers hasn't led his team to anything other than a couple playoff berths and disappointment. Id take RG3 over both of them 50 million times a week and 51 million times on sunday.

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Eli Manning is the complete opposite to his brother, during the regular season he is eh but then the post season comes around... There aren't that many quarterbacks I am taking over Eli. Maybe Brady but he has outplayed Brady twice in super bowls.
Rivers hasn't had the post season performances that Eli has had so its not really fair to compare the two in my opinion, plus I never like to play "well if he was on this team" game.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1016092]Lol, funny thing is, to me Eli is one of the least objectionable players on that dirty, flopping, OL-holding, crooked owner team. I don't hate him, it's just laughable that Gnat fans compare Eli favorably to Rivers, let alone Brees, Peyton, Brady....

I mean, way back when we won with Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien, I don't recall Skins fans claiming they were as good as Montana, Young, Elway, etc...[/quote]


OHHH HELL yeah they did!

You get what you pay for and the Giants and Eli as much as you hate to admit it or not have 2 ,I realize you want the the stat chart to be your saving grace in this discussion but in the end a QB gets paid to win and if you don't you don't stay, Eli throw ints,so what ?My answer to all the anti Eli people is he wins super bowls ,this from PFT
"In [URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1657/eli-manning"][COLOR=#0066cc]Eli Manning[/COLOR][/URL], the Giants have a skilled, experienced, playoff-tested, durable quarterback. Think of all the teams that don’t have such stability at this key position. The Giants do, and it’s a primary reason they can’t be discounted."
Look Eli can go on streaks when he is bad ...he's bad ,but he wins super bowls and anyone that says that doesn't mean anything in the NFL is an idiot, yes it's that simple.
Yes my 5 are Rogers, Brady,Brees,Roethlisberger,Eli and Peyton .Want me to take a shot at Bob...I won't ,I like him and he has the tools ,like everything about him ,your team just has to protect him and when he wins then maybe he'll be in the discussion .To compare Eli to Rivers or Romo is ...well ignorant.

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[quote=Giantone;1016100]OHHH HELL yeah they did![/quote]So you're as delusional about Skins fans as you are about Eli. :doh:

(bold mine)[quote=Giantone;1016100][B]You get what you pay[/B] for and the Giants and Eli as much as you hate to admit it or not have 2 ,[/quote]Or in the Giants' case, better lucky than good in more ways than one. Thank goodness they didn't get Rivers, they'd have won even more.

[quote=Giantone;1016100]I realize you want the the stat chart to be your saving grace in this discussion but in the end a QB gets paid to win and if you don't you don't stay, Eli throw ints,so what ?My answer to all the anti Eli people is he wins super bowls ,this from PFT
"In [URL="http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1657/eli-manning"][COLOR=#0066cc]Eli Manning[/COLOR][/URL], the Giants have a skilled, experienced, playoff-tested, durable quarterback. Think of all the teams that don’t have such stability at this key position. The Giants do, and it’s a primary reason they can’t be discounted."[/quote]And again, thank goodness the Gnats got Eli instead of Rivers, Brees, Rothlisberger, etc. Giants fans are delusional enough as is.

"The stat chart to be the only saving grace"? Lol. Among the other parts of the game Eli is inferior, INTs are INTs. Though I guess by your standards "paid to win": since we swept the Giants with Rex Grossman as QB, that means Sexy Rexy >>> Eli. And when the stats are so lopsided in favor of Rivers, when just looking at them play it's also obvious Rivers is better. The only thing in Eli's favor is what superbowls THE GIANTS won. And last I looked there were 21+ other starters on a team that helped decide that.

I know you'll probably ignore this like everything else, but look at it this way: The Ravens won the SB this season. Would you take Joe Flacco on your team over Eli or any other QB? No? Why not? Go ahead and answer and contradict yourself.

[quote=Giantone;1016100]Look Eli can go on streaks when he is bad ...he's bad ,but he wins super bowls and anyone that says that doesn't mean anything in the NFL is an idiot, yes it's that simple.[/quote]Strawman, nobody said winning doesn't mean anything. OTOH, where does Dan Marino fit on your all-time list, and why? Stats? By his quick release and arm? :)

[quote=Giantone;1016100] Yes my 5 are Rogers, Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Eli and Peyton .Want me to take a shot at Bob...I won't ,I like him and he has the tools ,like everything about him ,your team just has to protect him and when he wins then maybe he'll be in the discussion .[/quote]Ummm, you listed 6 QBs. "Take a shot at Bob"? See, that's your problem, you base your opinion on "taking shots" at other teams QBs and assume that must be my motivation. LMAO if you actually want to compare Griffin's performance with Eli's rookie year. I expect you to cling to injury on that, because that's all you have there. Just like basically all you have to cling to Eli being discussed with other better QBs is how well the Giants did in the playoffs.

(Bold mine)[quote=Giantone;1016100]To compare Eli [B]FAVORABLY[/B] to Rivers or [B]MUCH BETTER THAN[/B] Romo is ...well ignorant.[/quote]Fixed it for you. YW.

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Just remember, Eli and his dad were a bunch of cry babies saying that they didn't want Eli to go to San Diego because AJ Smith aka "the lord of no rings" as Archie called him, was the GM of the chargers. Had AJ Smith been the GM of the giants, Rivers is in New York with most likely 2 Super Bowls and Eli is in San Diego with maybe 1 Super Bowl. And you would be tooting your horn about how great Rivers is.

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