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[quote=sandtrapjack;1022187]Have you SEEN the Cowboys Guards? Absolutely abysmal. Hell, Anthony Munoz is 55 years old now, and I bet even he could come out of retirement and be an upgrade on that interior.

To your other point....not concerned about Water being out of football and missing camp/pre-season. In 2011, he signed with the Patriots on Sep 4th, well after camp and preseason, and went on to start every game (including the Super Bowl) and earn another Pro Bowl nod along the way.

The guy is an immediate upgrade at RG. And I kind of like having a veteran of this caliber working next to Travis Frederick every day.

Not saying this sign will make Dallas lead the league in rushing. But he is a good upgrade at RG.[/quote]

I have seen them to an extent, and I am sure you have a better grasp on it than I. My point was just to take await and see approach is all. He very well could be better than anything you have and on paper 2 years ago he definitely was, but now with the layoff I would just wait to make a statement like the poster of the article.

He may be good, average which is better than what is in Big D now, or he could be out of real football shape and take some time (in shape and football shape are two different things). But dude I applaude the effort to at least try (and have a good shot) at getting better up front. Thats all I was really trying to say.

So what are your feelings on the two openers in the NFCE?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1022187]Have you SEEN the Cowboys Guards? Absolutely abysmal. Hell, Anthony Munoz is 55 years old now, and I bet even he could come out of retirement and be an upgrade on that interior.

To your other point....not concerned about Water being out of football and missing camp/pre-season. In 2011, he signed with the Patriots on Sep 4th, well after camp and preseason, and went on to start every game (including the Super Bowl) and earn another Pro Bowl nod along the way.

The guy is an immediate upgrade at RG. And I kind of like having a veteran of this caliber working next to Travis Frederick every day.

Not saying this sign will make Dallas lead the league in rushing. But he is a good upgrade at RG.[/quote]

I agree, Waters is a serious upgrade. However, this move is months too late. Unlike in 2011 with the Patriots, Waters has been out of the game for some time. It will take time for him to get into football shape. It will take time for him to learn the playbook. It will take time for him to gel with his OL teammates. So there is no reason to expect the "real" Waters until after Halloween at the earliest.

If Jerry had not been playing cheapskate, he could have had Waters in the door months ago, and Waters would be ready to go now.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1022143]I get what your saying. My issue is the whole "surround your QB with talent" thing. Cowboys just seem to think that Wide Receivers, Tight Ends and Running backs are the talent and it stops there. They never consider the offensive line, defense or Special Teams.

No, an organization has to surround them with talent on all sides of the playing field. They have to have a defense they can count on to stop teams late in games. They have to have a special teams that wins the field position battle. [B]Most especially, they need to have an offensive line that can win the battle up front late in games to win the time of possession.[/B]

[B]Surrounding your key players with "talent" does not stop at RB, WR and TE. Jerry Jones does not get this.[/B][/quote]

Welcome to the world of Vinny Cerrato.

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[quote=FRPLG;1022207]As a follow...that's where Snyder and Jones always differed. Snyder had an incredible run at choosing the wrong people to make decisions. He wasn't making the decisions but he was bad at find someone who knew what they were doing enough to make them. I suspect there isn't much difference in the way it works now except that Shanny isn't a total joke at roster building like Cerrato was.

[B]Snyder is a lot of things but I think he gets a real bum wrap in terms of football. He has tried his ass off to make this work. It hasn't been about ego or lack of self-awareness. Although he does some have some of both when it comes to football he has gone about it right but hasn't made good choices[/B].[/quote]

This.

Not a big fan of the guy for other reasons, but he is not trying to run the franchise on a day to day basis (and I don't think ever really was anymore than most owners). Vinny finally got kicked to the curb after DS said "Okay, no more hiding behind others Vinny, show me what you got." He proceeded to do so.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1022210]
So what are your feelings on the two openers in the NFCE?[/quote]
Was just checking the odds on this weekends games. Denver is a 9 point favorite over Baltimore.

But for the NFCE games this week, each home team is favored by only 3 points. Which means the odds makers are basically calling it even in both games.

I think Dallas FINALLY gets a win over the G-Men in AT&T Stadium. Giants are 4-0 at AT&T, but Dallas is 6-0 versus NYG in season opening games. And if there is any team in more injury trouble then the Cowboys, its the Giants. Deihl and Bass will probably not play. And they are dinged up in the offensive backfield and the defensive secondary.

Skins win at home over Philly. But I am interested to see a couple of things in this game.

1. How will the Shanny's use RG3? Will they try and protect him more? Did not see Griffin dump passes out of bounds last season when under duress, he usually ran for the sticks.

2. Want to see how the Eagles pace their offense. Chip Kellys offense at OSU took an average of just over 20 seconds per play. That is several seconds faster than the fastest in the NFL last season (Patriots).

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1022227]Was just checking the odds on this weekends games. Denver is a 9 point favorite over Baltimore.

But for the NFCE games this week, each home team is favored by only 3 points. Which means the odds makers are basically calling it even in both games.

I think Dallas FINALLY gets a win over the G-Men in AT&T Stadium. Giants are 4-0 at AT&T, but Dallas is 6-0 versus NYG in season opening games. And if there is any team in more injury trouble then the Cowboys, its the Giants. Deihl and Bass will probably not play. And they are dinged up in the offensive backfield and the defensive secondary.

Skins win at home over Philly. But I am interested to see a couple of things in this game.

1. How will the Shanny's use RG3? Will they try and protect him more? Did not see Griffin dump passes out of bounds last season when under duress, he usually ran for the sticks.

2. Want to see how the Eagles pace their offense. Chip Kellys offense at OSU took an average of just over 20 seconds per play. That is several seconds faster than the fastest in the NFL last season (Patriots).[/quote]

I think the Cowboys will win big, but this is said with the follow up. I think they will quickly become too big for their shoes, and will crash and burn, if not week 2, then week 3. By week 8, they will be in full flames.

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Cowboys lose week 1, it won't get much better for them as the season progresses.

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I'm surprised the Cowboys didn't jump on Pashos and Trueblood.

Pashos might be starting for Oakland now...and Trueblood was just picked up by Atlanta.

Dallas could have used both of them for depth and to try to pry into our offensive secrets.


I'm surprised by Jack's honesty...he's FINALLY getting bummed out by his horrible team. Rare for a Dallas fan, they're usually delusional.

[QUOTE=RedskinRat;1022235]Cowboys lose week 1, it won't get much better for them as the season progresses.[/QUOTE]

I think they will.win week 1. They can't keep losing at home to NY eventually it'll end.

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Switched over to the "Tiki, Brandon and Dana Show" on CBS Sports Radio this morning while Czaban was on a commercial break and they were doing predictions.

All 3 idiots picked Dallas to win the division and Brandon Tierney went as far to say we'll be LAST in the NFC East.



The media...they'll never change.

This is the same network the gave Vinny Ceratto a show.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1022368]Switched over to the "Tiki, Brandon and Dana Show" on CBS Sports Radio this morning while Czaban was on a commercial break and they were doing predictions.

All 3 idiots picked Dallas to win the division and Brandon Tierney went as far to say we'll be LAST in the NFC East.



The media...they'll never change.

This is the same network the gave Vinny Ceratto a show.

[IMG]http://sportsrants.com/media/files/2012/11/DanaJacobsonDrink.png[/IMG][/quote]

well thats what you get when you turn away from Czabe. When you listen to the best, there is really no other.

Has that Cooley and Czabe show started in the afternoons yet? and whats the network?

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Don't know, that's when Rush is on.

Czabe is on Yahoo Sports Radio in the morning.





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[quote=Monkeydad;1022374]Don't know, that's when Rush is on.

Czabe is on Yahoo Sports Radio in the morning.





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Rush? :doh:

Just horrible Monkey, horrible. Thats guy is just bad for the brain.

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No worse than Olbermann. :D

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I have seen a variety of predictions -- it is amazing to me just how underrated the Skins are.

I get it - RGIII's knee, lucky on the 7 game run, tough schedule, lousy secondary, blah blah blah ... At the same time, it's such a superficial analysis and fails to consider so many factors which would be obvious to anyone who wasn't getting their info from a sound bite, and really seems to ignore real flaws of the other teams in our division (which are also obvious if you don't just rely on sound bites).

Whatever, I stand by my earlier statements. This team is going to the SB - it is talented, deep and stacked with leadership & character guys, and it has a strong chemistry four years in the making. On top of that, and as the catalyst for those championship elements, RGIII (because of his insanely competitive nature) is going to be on a mission to prove to [I]everyone[/I] that [I]he[/I], not Kapernick, not Luck, not Wilson, is the best young quarterback in the league.

Get your popcorn ready ... it is going to be an awesome ride.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1022395]I have seen a variety of predictions -- it is amazing to me just how underrated the Skins are.

I get it - RGIII's knee, lucky on the 7 game run, tough schedule, lousy secondary, blah blah blah ... At the same time, it's such a superficial analysis and fails to consider so many factors which would be obvious to anyone who wasn't getting their info from a sound bite, and really seems to ignore real flaws of the other teams in our division (which are also obvious if you don't just rely on sound bites).

Whatever, I stand by my earlier statements. This team is going to the SB - it is talented, deep and stacked with leadership & character guys, and it has a strong chemistry four years in the making. On top of that, and as the catalyst for those championship elements, RGIII (because of his insanely competitive nature) is going to be on a mission to prove to [I]everyone[/I] that [I]he[/I], not Kapernick, not Luck, not Wilson, is the best young quarterback in the league.

Get your popcorn ready ... it is going to be an awesome ride.[/quote]

All of this.

November 25...I hope our LBs are kissing their biceps every time they sack that tattooed, overrated imitator wearing #7.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1022395]Get your popcorn ready ... it is going to be an awesome ride.[/quote]

No popcorn on the ride!

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[quote=Monkeydad;1022269]I'm surprised the Cowboys didn't jump on Pashos and Trueblood.

Pashos might be starting for Oakland now...and Trueblood was just picked up by Atlanta.

Dallas could have used both of them for depth and to try to pry into our offensive secrets.[/quote]

That would not make sense. Why sign players for intel in week 1? Any player that is on the roster after the week 1 regular season game is in the books, that players salary for the entire season is guaranteed.

Sign guys after week 1, pick their brain, then release them. Salary is then NOT guaranteed.

Waters was always their target though.

[quote=Monkeydad;1022269]I'm surprised by Jack's honesty...he's FINALLY getting bummed out by his horrible team. Rare for a Dallas fan, they're usually delusional.[/quote]

Slow your roll. I'm just a realist at this time of the year. Cowboys are just as capable of being a great team as they are a horrible one. They are well enough coached, and have enough talent to beat any team on any given day.

However, in recent years, they are more adept at beating themselves rather than the opposition.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1022395]I have seen a variety of predictions -- it is amazing to me just how underrated the Skins are.

I get it - RGIII's knee, lucky on the 7 game run, tough schedule, lousy secondary, blah blah blah ... At the same time, it's such a superficial analysis and fails to consider so many factors which would be obvious to anyone who wasn't getting their info from a sound bite, and really seems to ignore real flaws of the other teams in our division (which are also obvious if you don't just rely on sound bites).

Whatever, I stand by my earlier statements. This team is going to the SB - it is talented, deep and stacked with leadership & character guys, and it has a strong chemistry four years in the making. On top of that, and as the catalyst for those championship elements, RGIII (because of his insanely competitive nature) is going to be on a mission to prove to [I]everyone[/I] that [I]he[/I], not Kapernick, not Luck, not Wilson, is the best young quarterback in the league.

Get your popcorn ready ... it is going to be an awesome ride.[/quote]

Wow...a REALITY bite! God bless you Joe!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1022395]I have seen a variety of predictions -- it is amazing to me just how underrated the Skins are.

I get it - RGIII's knee, lucky on the 7 game run, tough schedule, lousy secondary, blah blah blah ... At the same time, it's such a superficial analysis and fails to consider so many factors which would be obvious to anyone who wasn't getting their info from a sound bite, and really seems to ignore real flaws of the other teams in our division (which are also obvious if you don't just rely on sound bites).

Whatever, I stand by my earlier statements. This team is going to the SB - it is talented, deep and stacked with leadership & character guys, and it has a strong chemistry four years in the making. On top of that, and as the catalyst for those championship elements, RGIII (because of his insanely competitive nature) is going to be on a mission to prove to [I]everyone[/I] that [I]he[/I], not Kapernick, not Luck, not Wilson, is the best young quarterback in the league.

Get your popcorn ready ... it is going to be an awesome ride.[/quote]

Love it keep typing, I'm with you.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1022395]I have seen a variety of predictions -- it is amazing to me just how underrated the Skins are.

I get it - RGIII's knee, lucky on the 7 game run, tough schedule, lousy secondary, blah blah blah ... At the same time, it's such a superficial analysis and fails to consider so many factors which would be obvious to anyone who wasn't getting their info from a sound bite, and really seems to ignore real flaws of the other teams in our division (which are also obvious if you don't just rely on sound bites).

Whatever, I stand by my earlier statements. This team is going to the SB - it is talented, deep and stacked with leadership & character guys, and it has a strong chemistry four years in the making. On top of that, and as the catalyst for those championship elements, RGIII (because of his insanely competitive nature) is going to be on a mission to prove to [I]everyone[/I] that [I]he[/I], not Kapernick, not Luck, not Wilson, is the best young quarterback in the league.

Get your popcorn ready ... it is going to be an awesome ride.[/quote]

Mike Freeman (formerly CBS Sports, now Bleacher Report-I know, I know) has us in the Super Bowl

Matt Williamson (ESPN) has us winning the division

Skip Bayless (ESPN) has us winning the division, an I believe in the NFC Championship game

Ace Inthe House (Fantasy Island Sports) has us winning the Super Bowl, Stanley Cup, America's Cup, World Cup, Ryder Cup, Davis Cup, and World Series

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1022410]
Slow your roll. I'm just a realist at this time of the year. Cowboys are just as capable of being a great team as they are a horrible one. They are well enough coached, and have enough talent to beat any team on any given day.
[/quote]

I take back what I said. You're still like the rest of them. :D

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Dallas is tough because they probably have the best roster in the division at the top (and probably top to bottom), but:

1) they've had that in other years, and they've been awful

2) they're such a poorly coached team, that you never expect them to overcome any sort of obsticle

The Giants seem to be getting a huge pass from many pundits. I suppose it's a pass they've earned (as opposed to Dallas, who doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt), but they are not a good team and, well, it's okay to say that in preseason predictions. It's a bad defensive team with a bad offensive line and no running game. That's 8-8 city right there.

I think most have the Eagles pegged correctly. It's an organization that is at a low point in the amount of talent it has on the roster. But they won't be as bad as last season. They also won't be as good as they were in 2010 or 2011.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1022395]I have seen a variety of predictions -- it is amazing to me just how underrated the Skins are.

I get it - RGIII's knee, lucky on the 7 game run, tough schedule, lousy secondary, blah blah blah ... At the same time, it's such a superficial analysis and fails to consider so many factors which would be obvious to anyone who wasn't getting their info from a sound bite, and really seems to ignore real flaws of the other teams in our division (which are also obvious if you don't just rely on sound bites).

Whatever, I stand by my earlier statements. This team is going to the SB - it is talented, deep and stacked with leadership & character guys, and it has a strong chemistry four years in the making. On top of that, and as the catalyst for those championship elements, RGIII (because of his insanely competitive nature) is going to be on a mission to prove to [I]everyone[/I] that [I]he[/I], not Kapernick, not Luck, not Wilson, is the best young quarterback in the league.

Get your popcorn ready ... it is going to be an awesome ride.[/quote]
I still have a guy at work who thinks Griffin's MNF passer rating is going to be less than 85, he won't complete 10 passes, and will be yanked in the 2nd quarter. He seriously believes this. I worry for his sanity.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1022431]I take back what I said. You're still like the rest of them. :D[/quote]
Whew, thanks man, you had me worried there for a minute.

I freely admit.....there's no Kool-Aid in my fridge. I ain't drinkin' none!

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[quote=GTripp0012;1022433]Dallas is tough because they probably have the best roster in the division at the top (and probably top to bottom), but:

1) they've had that in other years, and they've been awful

2) they're such a poorly coached team, that you never expect them to overcome any sort of obsticle

The Giants seem to be getting a huge pass from many pundits. I suppose it's a pass they've earned (as opposed to Dallas, who doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt), but they are not a good team and, well, it's okay to say that in preseason predictions. It's a bad defensive team with a bad offensive line and no running game. That's 8-8 city right there.

I think most have the Eagles pegged correctly. It's an organization that is at a low point in the amount of talent it has on the roster. But they won't be as bad as last season. They also won't be as good as they were in 2010 or 2011.[/quote]
I'm not sure Dallas' roster at the top if significantly better than anyone else's. I am pretty sure their roster top-to-bottom is not. I feel better about our depth. In the past NY definitely had better depth too. Not sure now. JJ's biggest issue is he can't build depth...not a good enough football guy to do it.

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Agreed. Everyone talks about all this talent that Dallas has, but when you compare it to other teams basically 15 up to number one, they're all quite comparable. If they had 5 future HOFers then I'd agree, but they have: Romo, Bryant, Witten, Ware, Lee... I'm sure I'm forgetting one or two, but couldn't you list that about a ton of teams?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1022437]Agreed. Everyone talks about all this talent that Dallas has, but when you compare it to other teams basically 15 up to number one, they're all quite comparable. If they had 5 future HOFers then I'd agree, but they have: Romo, Bryant, Witten, Ware, Lee... I'm sure I'm forgetting one or two, but couldn't you list that about a ton of teams?[/quote]

Romo is obviously very good, Ware too. Witten has always been fantastic but is getting a little old. I like Lee a lot. Murray is good but not better than at least 2 other of his division peers. Bryant may be their best player and is probably the best WR in the division.

Swap out the names and positions and we could write the same thing about NY and us.

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[quote=FRPLG;1022438]Romo is obviously very good, Ware too. Witten has always been fantastic but is getting a little old. I like Lee a lot. Murray is good but not better than at least 2 other of his division peers. Bryant may be their best player and is probably the best WR in the division.

Swap out the names and positions and we could write the same thing about NY and us.[/quote]

Alot of good, fantastic, and best for a team thats never done a damn thing.

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RGIII, AlfMo, TWilliams, Kerrigan, Orakpo.

I would say they are a very talented top 5.

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Ware, Spencer, Lee, Carter, Bryant, Witten, Romo are all pro-bowl caliber. And I might even toss in Austin for this year as well. I think he will have a career season.

Bryant and Austin are 1 & 2. but in 3 WR sets, Austin will move to the slot for the first time in his career. I like the possibilities of the mismatches this will create for him. And this is probably his last season his Dallas, so he could cash in next year.

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[quote=FRPLG;1022436]I'm not sure Dallas' roster at the top if significantly better than anyone else's. I am pretty sure their roster top-to-bottom is not. I feel better about our depth. In the past NY definitely had better depth too. Not sure now. JJ's biggest issue is he can't build depth...not a good enough football guy to do it.[/quote]No, it's not significantly better. It's depth is also lacking. If you compare it to the Giants roster instead of our roster, its clear that they have 1) more strengths, and 2) fewer weaknesses.

The biggest problem with the Dallas roster is that they nonsensically tried to keep it together for this season at the expense of the ability to keep it together in future years. It's already an old roster, and really, this year is the "last go". Its got a lot of talent, but it's poorly managed talent and the coaching hires have been abysmal.

I think that you could argue that our roster is better top to bottom, and I know for a fact we have better depth, but they have two or three more star level players and that's a lot to make up in terms of depth.

Either way, I wouldn't expect Dallas to finish any closer than two games below us in the division. They are run really stupidly.

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Dallas' issue isn't the top, like when Vinnie was here, the top is good or very good. BUT, they have no depth. That's why I laugh when pundits rave about the Waters signing. Fact is, by mid season, they will lose a key player - maybe 2, EVERY team does, but the well-built teams have depth to adjust. When we lost Orakpo, it hurt for several games while the depth adjusted, when they lost Lee their fan base cried injuries (even though by games lost to injury stats they had just a few more games then we did).

Bryant/Jackson/Cruz in division will get their scores against teams, but ultimately all three of those teams fail at the depth issue.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1022437]Agreed. Everyone talks about all this talent that Dallas has, but when you compare it to other teams basically 15 up to number one, they're all quite comparable. If they had 5 future HOFers then I'd agree, but they have: Romo, Bryant, Witten, Ware, Lee... I'm sure I'm forgetting one or two, but couldn't you list that about a ton of teams?[/quote]I'm sure you could get a list of 8-10 teams who have the same top end talent as Dallas...just not in the NFC East.

Denver, New Orleans, Atlanta, Tampa, Green Bay, Seattle, SF, Houston, maybe New England?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1022449]Dallas' issue isn't the top, like when Vinnie was here, the top is good or very good. BUT, they have no depth. That's why I laugh when pundits rave about the Waters signing. Fact is, by mid season, they will lose a key player - maybe 2, EVERY team does, but the well-built teams have depth to adjust. When we lost Orakpo, it hurt for several games while the depth adjusted, when they lost Lee their fan base cried injuries (even though by games lost to injury stats they had just a few more games then we did).

Bryant/Jackson/Cruz in division will get their scores against teams, but ultimately all three of those teams fail at the depth issue.[/quote]Their depth is like ours, it's highly concentrated. None on the offensive line, none in the secondary, remarkably little at the WR position for a team that you think of as having a boatload of skill talent.

They have a lot of front seven guys and an established backup quarterback. But as always, it's going to be tough for them to weather injuries.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1022449]

Bryant/Jackson/Cruz in division will get their scores against teams, but ultimately all three of those teams fail at the depth issue.[/quote]


How so ?

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The hired a 4-3 coordinator for a team full of 3-4 personnel...

They don't do things that create success. They do things that create alot of hype and press.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1022451][B]Their depth is like ours, it's highly concentrated.[/B] None on the offensive line, none in the secondary, remarkably little at the WR position for a team that you think of as having a boatload of skill talent.

They have a lot of front seven guys and an established backup quarterback. But as always, it's going to be tough for them to weather injuries.[/quote]

Tripp, you are just wrong. We have solid depth across the board, our starters may be weak - ie Safeties, but our depth can come in and play to a reasonable level, as was proved last year.

Dallas' depth across the board is weak:
QB - Romo -- Orton, um maybe two years ago.
RB - DeMarco Murray -- ? (and by ? I mean their backup is untested or not worth being a backup)
WR - Bryant, Austin --> ?
TE - Witten --> rookie
OT - Smith, Free --> Purnell (who was miserable subbing in), ?
OL - Waters, Bernadeau, Frederick --> Costa (decent) OG's ?
Again there #1's are named players I get that, but below #1 is a shallow depth.
Compare that to ours:
QB - Griffin -- Cousins/Grossman not sexy but both proven(for Cousins as much as a first year can be
RB - Morris -- Helu sexy even
WR - Garcon/Moss - Hankerson/Morgan not sexy but both proven .
TE - Davis/Paulsen - Paul/Reed Damn sexy
OT - TW/Polumbus - Compton Heck our backup maybe better than our RT :(
OL - almost all are starting quality and can play multiple positions

I could do the same for Defense. Point is the depth of the Cowboys is VASTLY inferior to our depth, while their #1s are, in some cases, better than ours, but not overwhelmingly so.

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[quote=Giantone;1022453]How so ?[/quote]

I hesitated in putting the Giants into that mix, but your depth is mainly poor because again this year you are already depleted by the injury issue. If you ever have a healthy team again, you will be good at depth.

I did the Cowboys offense above, not doing Philly.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1022455]Tripp, you are just wrong. We have solid depth across the board, our starters may be weak - ie Safeties, but our depth can come in and play to a reasonable level, as was proved last year.

Dallas' depth across the board is weak:
QB - Romo -- Orton, um maybe two years ago.
RB - DeMarco Murray -- ? (and by ? I mean their backup is untested or not worth being a backup)
WR - Bryant, Austin --> ?
TE - Witten --> rookie
OT - Smith, Free --> Purnell (who was miserable subbing in), ?
OL - Waters, Bernadeau, Frederick --> Costa (decent) OG's ?
Again there #1's are named players I get that, but below #1 is a shallow depth.
Compare that to ours:
QB - Griffin -- Cousins/Grossman not sexy but both proven(for Cousins as much as a first year can be
RB - Morris -- Helu sexy even
WR - Garcon/Moss - Hankerson/Morgan not sexy but both proven .
TE - Davis/Paulsen - Paul/Reed Damn sexy
OT - TW/Polumbus - Compton Heck our backup maybe better than our RT :(
OL - almost all are starting quality and can play multiple positions

I could do the same for Defense. Point is the depth of the Cowboys is VASTLY inferior to our depth, while their #1s are, in some cases, better than ours, but not overwhelmingly so.[/quote]I'm not in disagreement necessarily about the quality of our depth vs. Dallas', but I do see that you've bought into the narrative around this team, so there's really no point for me to take the discussion further.

I'll gladly concede any debate about the Redskins and the Cowboys depth charts, but you can't look at our backup OL, see starting quality across the board, and be taken seriously. It's a non-starter.