Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;1024307]As am I. But like I mentioned we should have better defensive substitutions and packages with Rodgers the green bays offense than we did tonight with Phillys quick gimmicky college offense.

Also we may get Brandon Meriweather back next week, so we should see. We somehow beat the Packers a few years ago with McNabb and bad players on both sides of the ball, so I like our chances (not saying we will win, saying we'll keep it close and reasonable) with Green Bay having gotten worse on both sides of the ball since then (OL, DL, MLB, Safety)[/quote]

I agree with having a better chance against GB. I just have to see something to actually give me confidence in the skins defense before I start to think they are the real deal. Giving up 250 yards rushing to any opponent makes me question a lot of things about your defense.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

[quote=GTripp0012;1024309]McCoy is great, but if you thought that the Eagles scored a bunch of points because they were really talented, you're going to really hate playing the rest of the league.

I mean, if DeSean Jackson's your second best player (or Brent Celek, whoever), that says a lot. It's not that Jackson, Celek aren't good, but you can handle them one on one.

You can credit the Eagles for getting their sh-t together with what they had, and I thought they had a really impressive effort tonight. But that team is McCoy, a couple of face cards, and a crappy hand.[/quote]

True - even just in our division - look at Dallas - Austin, Bryant, Witten, and the Giants with Cruz, Nicks, and Myers.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

Is this the thread to start talking about how good Leonard Hankerson is and how we can stop screwing around with Josh Morgan as a starting WR anytime now?

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

[quote=GTripp0012;1024311]You...aren't familiar with Oregon, I'm guessing.

McCoy creates a lot of missed tackles. But that's not something we didn't know going into this game, and it's not an excuse.

I'm just not into making excuses for a lack of preparation. If you can be unprepared for what the Eagles brought tonight, you can be unprepared for any offense. What they were running wasn't particularlr unique, they just are good at constraining defenses. Which is exactly what the Redskins offense did so well last year.[/quote]

I actually watched a lot of Oregon games. One of the staples of the offense was a fake handoff to Barnes, Mariota would take it into space and pitch it to DeAnthony Thomas. I also love to watch Oregon lose because I knew their offense was like any other offense where it could be stopped by a disciplined, physical defense, like LSU or Stanford. I have always rooted for defenses.
I agree that the coaches weren't as prepared as I hoped they would be. I said throughout the game that the Skins coaching staff was being outcoached by Kelly for the majority of the game.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

To those who don't believe in preseason games to use to prepare for the regular season, this game is a perfect argument against that. Morris and Griffin both needed at least 2 quarters to get going. And made mistakes that in the first half and early part of the 2nd that doomed them for the rest of the game.

But after saying that, I knew there was no way that Griffin was ever going to play in the preseason, even in hindsight. If Griffin played in the preseason and got hurt in any kind of way, that would've been the end of Shanahan.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

Yea there are a lot of teams more talented than the Eagles at their skill positions. Especially teams that the Skins would run into in the playoffs, if they made it that far.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

[quote=GTripp0012;1024314]Is this the thread to start talking about how good Leonard Hankerson is and how we can stop screwing around with Josh Morgan as a starting WR anytime now?[/quote]

Why would you do that? Both were productive in their respective roles in this game.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

Give the Eagles credit, they executed and we just missed way too many tackles.

Haslett said he watched 23-24 game tapes on Oregon so I'm sure the D wasn't caught off guard scheme wise. Fletcher said they didn't run anything they haven't seen before. We just got out played.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

[quote=donofriose;1024315]I actually watched a lot of Oregon games. One of the staples of the offense was a fake handoff to Barnes, Mariota would take it into space and pitch it to DeAnthony Thomas. I also love to watch Oregon lose because I knew their offense was like any other offense where it could be stopped by a disciplined, physical defense, like LSU or Stanford. I have always rooted for defenses.
I agree that the coaches weren't as prepared as I hoped they would be. I said throughout the game that the Skins coaching staff was being outcoached by Kelly for the majority of the game.[/quote]Point was not that Oregon never ran the triple option, it was that (at least in the running game) everything they ran tonight was on tape already. Nothing was created in the last eight months.

He adopted some NFL passing plays, the Jackson TD was taken right out of Andy Reid's playbook. Kyle runs that play all the time too.

Kelly gives them a nice schematic advantage. But a schematic advantage should always lose out to a talent advantage in the long run. One game is not a long run...but I suddenly have no desire to see this matchup of coaches played twice every season.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

At the risk of sounding repetitive - I cant hear anymore about our Defense - our defense had one bad quarter - the second quarter. We held them to 7 points in the second half and that was on a short field after the int. Our offense could not stay on the field for more than two minutes until midway through the third quarter. Our defense was reeling in by the second quarter and that was by far their worst quarter. If we could have sustained just a couple drives in the first half for any amount of time, even if we came up empty at the end, we probably would have won the game.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

I think it's too early to judge anything from this first game. Cliché, but I think at least they tried to fight back and made it a one possession game. Pre-Griffin, the final score would've been 54 - 7. I don't think that's really exaggerating.

The Redskins need to regroup and look at the positives, because it's still one game out of 16. And there's a lot that they can learn from this game. Especially in the way they need to play the eagles the next time.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1024318]Why would you do that? Both were productive in their respective roles in this game.[/quote]Because since Week 1 of last season, one has been clearly more valuable than the other.

The Redskins like Morgan because he blocks like a tight end on the edge, which is nice when your gameplan is to run it down their throats. But sometimes, you have to throw the football as well. And having him on the field hurts you on those plays.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

The next time we play the eagles it will be a lot different. RG3 was rusty.. that was to be expected. We will slow the game down with our offense to give our defense a chance to catch their breath. Under the circumstances,I'm glad the Redskins fought back. We will have more film on the Eagles as well and will be better prepared. That was the worst start of a Redskins game that I've seen in over 30yrs....but we fought back and made a game of it.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

[quote=warriorzpath;1024316]To those who don't believe in preseason games to use to prepare for the regular season, this game is a perfect argument against that. Morris and Griffin both needed at least 2 quarters to get going. And made mistakes that in the first half and early part of the 2nd that doomed them for the rest of the game.

But after saying that, I knew there was no way that Griffin was ever going to play in the preseason, even in hindsight. If Griffin played in the preseason and got hurt in any kind of way, that would've been the end of Shanahan.[/quote]

I was never a believer until tonite.....in the back of my mind for the last several weeks there was this little voice that kept saying "do you think Griff will be up to speed for game one?" - I kept telling him to shut the hell up, that he is a professional athlete and that preseason games are stupid - hes running on a treadmill, and doing 11 on 11 drills. I owe that little voice an apology.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1024264]I just think they knew Griff wasn't a threat to run. They were not respecting any of our play action at all.[/quote]

Exactly!

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

[quote=GTripp0012;1024320]Point was not that Oregon never ran the triple option, it was that (at least in the running game) everything they ran tonight was on tape already. Nothing was created in the last eight months.

He adopted some NFL passing plays, the Jackson TD was taken right out of Andy Reid's playbook. Kyle runs that play all the time too.

Kelly gives them a nice schematic advantage. But a schematic advantage should always lose out to a talent advantage in the long run. One game is not a long run...but I suddenly have no desire to see this matchup of coaches played twice every season.[/quote]

Caching in the NFL comes from tendencies there is no way the Redskins had information on what Kelly would be able to do on defense and offense. These were newish schemes for the Eagles in particular. You didn't have those players running that offense on tape. Sorry but what we saw out the gate was new to us and the NFL. Compound that with awful field position for both the offense and defense of the Redskins for the entire first half and into the third quarter. Miscues are what lost the Redskins the game. Morris fumbles on our first play, Griffin comes out throwing picks, and looks terrible in the first half.

The offense didnt give the defense any chance to rest and gave them half the field to work with.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1024327]Caching in the NFL comes from tendencies there is no way the Redskins had information on what Kelly would be able to do on defense and offense. These were newish schemes for the Eagles in particular. You didn't have those players running that offense on tape. Sorry but what we saw out the gate was new to us and the NFL. Compound that with awful field position for both the offense and defense of the Redskins for the entire first half and into the third quarter. Miscues are what lost the Redskins the game. Morris fumbles on our first play, Griffin comes out throwing picks, and looks terrible in the first half.

The offense didnt give the defense any chance to rest and gave them half the field to work with.[/quote]I'm simply not interested in making the excuses you are. You can make them, but they're still excuses.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

Only time will tell if this game was a fluke, but a few things are just too constant to overlook.
Piss poor preparedness/discipline. On both sides of the ball. I think just about everybody recognizes this in one way or another. Whether you criticize RG (over shanny) for his injuries because he's not disciplined enough to get out of bounds or look at stupid penalties, it's just ugly part of the time. But my point is it falls on coaching/leadership at the end of the day.
Piss poor protection, which so far looks to have spread to run blocking. This oline is a joke about every other pass play, especially on the right side. As Kyle admitted we masked this last season with the constant threat of the read option. Again only time will tell if they can learn how to protect RG and keep him around longer than a couple years.

Piss poor adjustments. RG is rusty as hell, the oline is Swiss cheese and Helu is hot. So lets keep pressing downfield with lousy routes/formations everybody can cover. I made the comment earlier, shanny has only produced a serious team for half a season, out of three. Tonight looked like the old usual. Too little adjustment too late.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

So basically shanahan needs to go after one loss? Let us not overreact and act as if shanahan should be worried about his job. Yea, he still has to prove last year wasn't a fluke, but there are plenty of games left this year for him to prove himself to the league and the redskins fan again.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

[quote=GTripp0012;1024323]Because since Week 1 of last season, one has been clearly more valuable than the other.

The Redskins like Morgan because he blocks like a tight end on the edge, which is nice when your gameplan is to run it down their throats. But sometimes, you have to throw the football as well. And having him on the field hurts you on those plays.[/quote]

There's not anything that says you can't use the both of them. Morgan and Hankerson are both productive.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

Sometimes, you learn what kind of heart you have when you get the crap beat out of you. Do you get back up and still fight or do you just give up? I saw the Redskins still fighting.

Bottom line- the Redskins were unprepared going into the game and they got embarrassed. I think most of the players and coaches were fighting until the end and came up short. I know that this is the last thing in everyone's mind, but they can later draw back from this experience to be able to comeback or just use in games.

There was at least one player that has bad habits when it comes to games like this though - DeAngelo Hall. He reacts poorly or makes a boneheaded play like the 15 yarder. To me that's the same as just giving up. These young dbs on the team don't need to see that. Haslett really needs to talk to him.

All in all though, I thought everyone else seemed to still be fighting. And how much do you know about yourself if you've never been in a fight? I think the Redskins got effed up too much at the beginning to be able to come back but they went down still swinging and I have to respect that. Any real fighter has to.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

This is the best way to see how much heart the Redskins have- by seeing how they respond in next weeks game in Green Bay. It would've been nice if the Redskins would've won their game, but nice don't win fights. The Redskins have to start getting pissed off especially being embarrassed like that. They need to have a fighter's mentality.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

I think the Eagles offense might do well early on, but I think there's already a formula to beating them. Survive the initial onslaught (like the old Tyson fights) and after they start to catch their breath, then start attacking.

And for the same reason that the Redskins seemed to have stopped using read-option, the eagles will probably need to do the same- the quarterback is left exposed at times.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

Offense:

It was a tale of 2 halves, by my biggest problem was the Oline getting owned in both departments. Second, RG3 mechanics are effed up. Jaws was right. He needs serious work.

Defense:

Our Safety position will struggle as Rambo learns so thats not a grip. A grip is the bad run defense. Call it a combo of bad tackling and getting handled up front.

So imo the game was really lost upfront.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

If Vick doesn't stay healthy, the Eagles offense doesn't work. There's always been a good chance that he doesn't. Now it's more probable with the read-option. Chip Kelly's offense is doomed to fail without Vick.

This Loss Was Good
 

Even though we loss, I think this was good for us and brings everyone back down to earth.

The fans, yes even me perhaps have been overly optimistic based on us making the playoffs last year and believing that we are one of the best teams in the NFL and Super Bowl Contenders. Everyone automatically believes we are the best team in the division. This team still has holes and much work to do.

RG3- He needed to be slightly humbled. All of the hype surrounding him all offseason was definitely going to his head and you could see it in the media press conferences etc. Sometimes it appears as if he thinks HE is the team. Why should we be surprised though for a young 22 year old rookie star who remains plastered across ESPN and the DC fans treat like their savior and chant "RG3, RG3!!!" Nonstop wherever he is? Hopefully, he's learned something if his expectations were set very high coming into this game and is prepared to work and focus.

Alfred Morris- Another guy who's hype skyrocketed. Perhaps he started believing it. I'm not saying the guy isnt good, but i've been watching football long enough to know you can't "annoint" a guy based off of one year or two. There have been so many rbs who appeared like the next great, and then vanished with a hard drop off. Larry Johnson and Shaun Alexander ring a bell? Again, not saying this is the case, but be realistic and temper your expectations for a late round pick who had one great rookie year.

Wrs- we still need a true #1 WR. Garcon is more of a borderline #2.

Defense= They are who we thought they were. Still getting gashed by the run and destroyed in the secondary. Dont know why so many people thought we were magically going to change this year. Rambo, Amerson, and Biggers all gave us hope of a shored up secondary, but nothing has changed and Jim Haslett continues to look lost.

We "came back", but i think that had more to do with Philly giving us everything underneath for a reason. Tough road ahead with the Packers next week but this loss will show us what this team is made of. If they believed their own hype and the chest thumping of the fans and how everyone was saying "oh Philly is terrible, they are the worst in the division, Chip Kellys offense wont do well in the NFL, Vick is done" then a loss like this would crush them. Or, they can get motivated an go out next week and try their hardest to beat up Green Bay.

Its going to a long exciting season, but i've learned to lower my expectations.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

[quote=warriorzpath;1024331]There's not anything that says you can't use the both of them. Morgan and Hankerson are both productive.[/quote]

Of all the boneheadedness that went on last night, what may have been the most frustrating was Morgan's decisions to gain two more yards on receptions rather than going out of bounds. He did that twice. It scares me that someone could be so empty-headed.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1024336]If Vick doesn't stay healthy, the Eagles offense doesn't work. There's always been a good chance that he doesn't. Now it's more probable with the read-option. Chip Kelly's offense is doomed to fail without Vick.[/quote]

Vick is in the perfect offense for him. He was clearly the best QB on the field last night. I don't know if it won't work but he still has the speed to run the ball and that helps it go. But no way is he playing 16 games.

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[quote=Coff;1024338]Of all the boneheadedness that went on last night, what may have been the [B]most frustrating [/B]was Morgan's decisions to gain two more yards on receptions rather than going out of bounds. He did that twice. It scares me that someone could be so empty-headed.[/quote]

That was bad, but I give the award to D Hall penalty and then over-acted on the retaliation shove looking like a punk. Up until that point I hadnt throw anything.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

Hate to do this but - if there's a scapegoat, it's Alfred Morris.

Re: This Loss Was Good
 

no loss is good.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1024342]Hate to do this but - if there's a scapegoat, it's Alfred Morris.[/quote]

I agree somewhat but the turn overs in general killed us and Chris Thompson's just bone head mistakes fielding the ball when our offense so desperately need good field position was plan awful.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

I feel like GB owes us. We have nearly beat them the last two times 07 and 10. Plus we have not beat them since 1988.

I think we put it together and beat the Pack. In true Redskin's fashion we lose the easy ones and win the tough ones.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

I didn't read a whole lot between page 1 and page 8, so maybe this is restating the positives but, I hear a whole lot of bashing of the defense and praise of the eagles offense on the radio, and I just can't help but think that appearance wasn't reality last night:

The eagles 1st drive looked good, but ended with a turnover, something Vick is known for.
The 2nd drive stalled before they got in the redzone.
3rd drive started inside our 30
4th drive was a 3 and out
5th drive was a 7 and out
6th drive was a 9 and out
forgive me, but that's what we wanted from our defense. Our offense had 4 possesions at that point consuming 5 minutes total game clock. If even one of those had been a sustained drive, I doubt the Eagles offense would have put their last two sustained drives together.
Then, the Eagles had 5 first downs in the whole 2nd half.

This game turned on a sloppy offensive 1st quarter. Lots of ways to look at that, but ultimately Griffin summed it up best by saying that the offense had a case of the CantGetRights.

Next Sunday I hope we pass that disease to the Packers.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

No loss is good. Not in the NFL at least.

I personally believe if the skins don't make the playoffs this year or at least do not contend for one until the very end the organization should assess the coaching staff and consider firing some folks. Just my opinion though.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

Gotta call it like I see it. Giving away field position and giving up the ball and points- there's no comparison.

Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1024360]I didn't read a whole lot between page 1 and page 8, so maybe this is restating the positives but, I hear a whole lot of bashing of the defense and praise of the eagles offense on the radio, and I just can't help but think that appearance wasn't reality last night:

The eagles 1st drive looked good, but ended with a turnover, something Vick is known for.
The 2nd drive stalled before they got in the redzone.
3rd drive started inside our 30
4th drive was a 3 and out
5th drive was a 7 and out
6th drive was a 9 and out
forgive me, but that's what we wanted from our defense. Our offense had 4 possesions at that point consuming 5 minutes total game clock. If even one of those had been a sustained drive, I doubt the Eagles offense would have put their last two sustained drives together.
Then, the Eagles had 5 first downs in the whole 2nd half.

This game turned on a sloppy offensive 1st quarter. Lots of ways to look at that, but ultimately Griffin summed it up best by saying that the offense had a case of the CantGetRights.

Next Sunday I hope we pass that disease to the Packers.[/quote]

Totally agree! Our offense (lack of) enabled Philly's offense to score not our defense.

It is like hockey if you allow the opposing team to have 1000 shots on goal in a period eventually even a brick wall well let a few in. Kind of hard to blame the goalie at that point.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1024362]Gotta call it like I see it. Giving away field position and giving up the ball and points- there's no comparison.[/quote]

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Re: Skins v Eagles post game thread
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1024360]I didn't read a whole lot between page 1 and page 8, so maybe this is restating the positives but, I hear a whole lot of bashing of the defense and praise of the eagles offense on the radio, and I just can't help but think that appearance wasn't reality last night:

The eagles 1st drive looked good, but ended with a turnover, something Vick is known for.
The 2nd drive stalled before they got in the redzone.
3rd drive started inside our 30
4th drive was a 3 and out
5th drive was a 7 and out
6th drive was a 9 and out
forgive me, but that's what we wanted from our defense. Our offense had 4 possesions at that point consuming 5 minutes total game clock. If even one of those had been a sustained drive, I doubt the Eagles offense would have put their last two sustained drives together.
Then, the Eagles had 5 first downs in the whole 2nd half.

This game turned on a sloppy offensive 1st quarter. Lots of ways to look at that, but ultimately Griffin summed it up best by saying that the offense had a case of the CantGetRights.

Next Sunday I hope we pass that disease to the Packers.[/quote]

They did run for 250+ yards, have almost 450 yards of total offense and score 33 points. Offense obviously played poorly but that doesn't excuse the defense looking bad, especially with tackling and gap discipline. Honestly, the entire teamplayed poorly the first half.

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[quote=mredskins;1024345]I feel like GB owes us. We have nearly beat them the last two times 07 and 10. Plus we have not beat them since 1988.

I think we put it together and beat the Pack. In true Redskin's fashion we lose the easy ones and win the tough ones.[/quote]

We beat GB at home a few years back when LL Picked off AR late