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[quote=DynamiteRave;1026699]Well geez, don't sound like you're doing us a favor. I can understand running LESS but not running at all is seriously hurting more than helping.[/quote]


yeah it kinda seems as if RG3 doesn't want to run anymore

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1026702]yeah it kinda seems as if RG3 doesn't want to run anymore[/quote]

I think that was part of the "bye week controversy" last year, but can you blame him, look at how hammered he and Shanahan get when something bad happens. He has the talent to be a pocket passer, we just don't have a line designed for it.

I do think it's been a progression though and he moved a little more last week than the first, and I hope this week we see full speed rollouts, especially fakes off the pitches to Morris. I HATE the pitches to Morris but I could see Griffin rolling out and finding wide open receivers off of it too.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1026680]I told you Morris was rusty and needed more preseason work. Just saying it this way cuz of the way some people on here were dismissing it.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/56506/limited-preseason-work-hurt-alfred-morris]Limited preseason work hurt Alfred Morris - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Me personally, that wasn't what I was dismissing. That said, I don't know that more reps would have made that much a difference. I think a bigger issue is he's kind of facing adversity for the first time in the NFL and has to learn how to overcome it

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1026698][url=http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/rg3-suggests-hell-run-spark-redskins-20297972]RG3 Suggests He'll Run More to Spark Redskins - ABC News[/url][/quote]

I don't want to see RG3 running with Suh out there. Hell I don't even want RG3 out there when Suh is on the field. He is a dirty player.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1026709]I don't want to see RG3 running with Suh out there. Hell I don't even want RG3 out there when Suh is on the field. He is a dirty player.[/quote]

We the threat to run. Suh will crush him even more.

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I know i may state the obvious but it's so true.

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I dont know if I've ever seen as many people pick the skins to lose,especially the thread starter,and Mattyk too!
As I stated on another thread{that nobody responded to}I watched the 30 minute rewind of Dallas Kc and looking at their defense{both teams}and ours its like night and day.Dallas pass rush looked ferocious and they were so close to sacking the qb numerous times but didnt because Smith was mostly using 3 step drops.
My point on bringing up the Dallas game is kc was beating the pass rush by using the 3 step drop,we need to do the same thing since teams are blitzing us so much.If not that,some designed rollouts to buy some time{remember how Gibbs used to have Joey T do those big designed rollouts?}
The defense is not going to improve that much in one game,but if the offense can get us some damn points in the first half then hopefully the defense can at least keep the yards gained against below an historical level that were on pace for
I dont know how to pick this game,my eyes tell me were so bad that this is gonna be another long afternoon.If we need fg's whos kicking in this game? Is Kai back?And why the hell did we sign a kicker thats never kicked a frickin fg anyway? I cant believe he was the best option out there
Guess I've talked myself into picking Detroit

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[quote=drumkat44;1026731]We the threat to run. Suh will crush him even more.[/quote]

Sorry, but you have to worry about Fairley and Ziggy as well. Yeah, Suh is evil, but Fairley and Ziggy can just be as aggressive as Suh. That being said Mr. Griffin better get mobile as much as possible, being a pocket passer against the Detroit D line is dangerous for one's long term health.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;1026734]Sorry, but you have to worry about Fairley and Ziggy as well. Yeah, Suh is evil, but Fairley and Ziggy can just be as aggressive as Suh. That being said Mr. Griffin better get mobile as much as possible, being a pocket passer against the Detroit D line is dangerous for one's long term health.[/quote]

Agreed bro!!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1026700]I want to agree with you, but our first two stalled drives are directly tied to Morris, and his lack of consistent push these first two games early on, when I think that the Skins wanted him to shoulder the load, he couldn't. Yes the defenses accounted for him, but the Skins needed him to keep the downs and distances manageable, and so far I don't think he accomplished that.

Still, I think the offense will click, and when it does the defense will get better for several reasons, which I think you have already outlined.[/quote]

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/810/limited-preseason-work-hurt-alfred-morris?ex_cid=espnapi_public]Limited preseason work hurt Alfred Morris - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

Sorry for the double post on the link but Morris says himself that he isn't in rhythm yet and needs more work. If you look at last year he took time to really roll. The defense and the turnovers have killed us in the first halves. Sunday is a new day and I hope we start putting it together. If the offense can get rolling aL la last year we can still win some games.

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We win a close one, a real close one....
Skins - 31
Lions - 30.99999999

Edit: thanks Matty - that is the spark we needed!
:)

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[quote=Mattyk;1026684]It's John Keim, he tends to be on point.

Funny thing is all we heard in camp was how great he looked.[/quote]

These guys need the hits and live action to really be accurately judged not only by the coaches but also themselves.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1026627]Trent absolutely schooled Matthews when they were matched up, and has been one of the few bright spots on offense this year. The dude who called Williams overrated is clueless about football. People who analyze and appreciate the battles in the trenches know better.[/quote]
You must be relying on the one play in the 2nd qtr that Aikman praised TW for "that play".

If you watched the game on DVR and see TW driven back into RG3s face on consecutive plays late in the first quarter, or watched him not recognize CM coming off the edge on the WR screen and attempt to cut him rather than ignore him, or the multiple plays where he's driven backwards on runs or barely gets a stalemate with no drive.....despite outweighing OLBs by 40 lbs. and you want to call those "bright spots" then OK.

But I've never analyzed any football and am certainly clueless and you know much better.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;1026767]You must be relying on the one play in the 2nd qtr that Aikman praised TW for "that play".

If you watched the game on DVR and see TW driven back into RG3s face on consecutive plays late in the first quarter, or watched him not recognize CM coming off the edge on the WR screen and attempt to cut him rather than ignore him, or the multiple plays where he's driven backwards on runs or barely gets a stalemate with no drive.....despite outweighing OLBs by 40 lbs. and you want to call those "bright spots" then OK.

But I've never analyzed any football and am certainly clueless and you know much better.[/quote]

Apply cold water to burned area.....

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;1026767]You must be relying on the one play in the 2nd qtr that Aikman praised TW for "that play".

If you watched the game on DVR and see TW driven back into RG3s face on consecutive plays late in the first quarter, [B]or watched him not recognize CM coming off the edge on the WR screen and attempt to cut him rather than ignore him, or[/B] the multiple plays where he's driven backwards on runs or barely gets a stalemate with no drive.....despite outweighing OLBs by 40 lbs. and you want to call those "bright spots" then OK.

But I've never analyzed any football and am certainly clueless and you know much better.[/quote]

On a lot of screens, wide receiver screens included, O-line will not pick them up because they are coached to not pick them up. Clay lined up wide and went straight up field. TW wouldnt have gotten him cut in time anyways based on the angle that CM took. Its a WR screen, they are coached to hit the second level as quick as possible. You are also talking about Clay Mathews. A guy that goes around a lot of LT's anyways, run or pass. Its not as easy as you make it out to be. You have to catch him before you can block him. But according to you, the average person sitting at home watching on Sunday can do that.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1026681]Oh, ESPN said it so it must be true.[/quote]

Please read the blog/articles first before you respond to them- Alfred Morris was saying this about himself.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1026733]I dont know if I've ever seen as many people pick the skins to lose,especially the thread starter,and Mattyk too!
As I stated on another thread{that nobody responded to}I watched the 30 minute rewind of Dallas Kc and looking at their defense{both teams}and ours its like night and day.Dallas pass rush looked ferocious and they were so close to sacking the qb numerous times but didnt because Smith was mostly using 3 step drops.
My point on bringing up the Dallas game is kc was beating the pass rush by using the 3 step drop,we need to do the same thing since teams are blitzing us so much.If not that,some designed rollouts to buy some time{remember how Gibbs used to have Joey T do those big designed rollouts?}
The defense is not going to improve that much in one game,but if the offense can get us some damn points in the first half then hopefully the defense can at least keep the yards gained against below an historical level that were on pace for
I dont know how to pick this game,my eyes tell me were so bad that this is gonna be another long afternoon.If we need fg's whos kicking in this game? Is Kai back?And why the hell did we sign a kicker thats never kicked a frickin fg anyway? I cant believe he was the best option out there
Guess I've talked myself into picking Detroit[/quote]

I didn't pick the Skins to lose, I didn't even make a prediction.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1026817]Please read the blog/articles first before you respond to them- Alfred Morris was saying this about himself.[/quote]

Cheeky.

I did and Shanahan also denies that's the problem.

I don't think it's the problem either. The whole offense if out-of-synch because of playing from behind (thanks defense) and trying to get timing down with Robert. Morris isn't going to be able to run effectively when we aren't able to call running plays. The pistol and read option have been non-existent because of the early point deficits we're facing and also getting our QB back into regular-season shape. Robert is the rusty one. Morris' game is more about running over tacklers, rust won't effect that as much. The first fumble was inexcusable and the second, well, that WAS a bad pitch but he still should have caught it.

I expect a lot of improvement by Griffin and Morris this week.

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I've seen zero difference in Alfmo game from last year. He looks perfectly fine and has run well. Now RG3 and the Oline, I've seen substantial differences in both their performances so far.

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Skins 31 Lions 27

Griffin 275 yards 2 TD 40 yards rushing
Morris 135 yards 1 TD
Garcon 100 yards 1 TD
Hankerson 50 yards
Moss 50 yards 1 TD
Reed 50 yards
Davis 25 yards
Forbath 1 of 1
Defense 2 sacks, 1 INT, 1 TD

Stafford 300 yards 2 TD, 1 INT
Bush 100 yards, 1 TD, 50 yards receiving
Bell 50 yards receiving
Johnson 125 yards 1 TD
Burleson 100 yards
Spurlock 25 yards 1 TD
Pettigrew 30 yards
Akers 2 of 2
Defense 2 sacks, 2 fumble

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Any word on Bush's injury status. I know he held out of practice yesterday, but is everybody assuming he will play?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1026826]Any word on Bush's injury status. I know he held out of practice yesterday, but is everybody assuming he will play?[/quote]

He's 50/50 last I saw.

Given how bad our D has been they should probably sit him.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1026826]Any word on Bush's injury status. I know he held out of practice yesterday, but is everybody assuming he will play?[/quote]

i'm assuming they juice him up before kickoff

‏@SportingNewsMI 4m

Lions RB Reggie Bush is optimistic about playing Sunday, but he still hasn't been cleared by team doctors. [url=http://www.sportingnewsmichigan.com]SportingNewsMichigan.com: Michigan Sports News, all on one page[/url]

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Is Forbath back?

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[quote=Monkeydad;1026831]Is Forbath back?[/quote]

I think Shannahan said Forbath would not be allowed to do anything until Friday.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1026831]Is Forbath back?[/quote]

Won't know til the weekend. Judging from this article, I'd say he's still questionable.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/09/18/kai-forbath-says-his-injured-groin-muscle-is-improving/]Kai Forbath says his injured groin muscle is improving[/url]

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I wonder if we can pry Joe Haden from Cleveland in the fire-sale over there.

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^ ditto

[QUOTE=Monkeydad;1026831]Is Forbath back?[/QUOTE]

After these first two games I will be ecstatic if fg's make a difference.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1026819]I didn't pick the Skins to lose, I didn't even make a prediction.[/QUOTE]

No but your thoughts on the game were'nt filled with optimism, and as our leader it is your job to always be optimistic. :)

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1026836]I wonder if we can pry Joe Haden from Cleveland in the fire-sale over there.[/quote]

Who says it's a fire sale? The current Browns executives are obviously trying to position themselves to trade up in the next draft for a player who they hope will become their Franchise QB. That's what the previous Browns executives should have done when they had the chance to get RGIII.

[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1026842]Who says it's a fire sale? The current Browns executives are obviously trying to position themselves to trade up in the next draft for a player who they hope will become their Franchise QB. That's what the previous Browns executives should have done when they had the chance to get RGIII.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but they just spent a high first rounder on Trent? They also gave up a 4,5,and 7 to get him on top of that? They are going to have probably a top three pick anyway? To me it seems like they are basically giving up Trent for another first round pick on top of the qb they are already going to be in position to get. Only time will tell.

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[quote=punch it in;1026844]Yeah but they just spent a high first rounder on Trent? They also gave up a 4,5,and 7 to get him on top of that? They are going to have probably a top three pick anyway? To me it seems like they are basically giving up Trent for another first round pick on top of the qb they are already going to be in position to get. Only time will tell.[/quote]

The new FO and coaches don't believe Richardson will fit in their long-term plan, might as well trade him now while his value is still high. Mid to late 1st round pick is still better than latter rounds. They can trade away that 1st round pick to stockpile on 2nd and 3rd picks on first day of draft. Either way, it's win and win situations for both Browns and Colts.

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1026845]The new FO and coaches don't believe Richardson will fit in their long-term plan, might as well trade him now while his value is still high. Mid to late 1st round pick is still better than latter rounds. They can trade away that 1st round pick to stockpile on 2nd and 3rd picks on first day of draft. Either way, it's win and win situations for both Browns and Colts.[/QUOTE]

Norv loves power backs though. Its going to be win for somebody but i think its to early to say yet. If trent/luck turns out to be manning/james than colts win for sure - pending on who browns get with their pick from the colts will tell if its a win for them.
Edit: you need a top rb at the end of the day imo and they gave up alot to get one. Now he is gone and your holding an unknown in your hands. They were going to be in position to get a qb.

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[quote=GridIron26;1026845]The new FO and coaches don't believe Richardson will fit in their long-term plan, might as well trade him now while his value is still high. Mid to late 1st round pick is still better than latter rounds. They can trade away that 1st round pick to stockpile on 2nd and 3rd picks on first day of draft. Either way, it's win and win situations for both Browns and Colts.[/quote]

Another option I would of liked to seen is for them to persue trading Richardson out of the AFC.

An NFC teams with draft picks to throw around in need of RB ... the St. Louis Rams would have been a nice fit.

Plus the Browns would have received a higher first round pick.

[QUOTE=Krusheasy;1026848]Another option I would of liked to seen is for them to persue trading Richardson out of the AFC.

An NFC teams with draft picks to throw around in need of RB ... the St. Louis Rams would have been a nice fit.

Plus the Browns would have received a higher first round pick.[/QUOTE]

Good point. Not only did they keep him in conference but the colts might not have a very high pick. Every team needs a good rb. Trent looked like he was emerging as one of the best. Everything i hear about him says he was very liked by his teammates too. Besides the jags the browns are the worst team in football. They could have taken one of the qbs coming out next year without making this move. They traded the third overall pick for probably the twentieth.
Does anybody else think the browns made a mistake?

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[quote=punch it in;1026849]Good point. Not only did they keep him in conference but the colts might not have a very high pick. Every team needs a good rb. Trent looked like he was emerging as one of the best. Everything i hear about him says he was very liked by his teammates too. Besides the jags the browns are the worst team in football. They could have taken one of the qbs coming out next year without making this move. They traded the third overall pick for probably the twentieth.
Does anybody else think the browns made a mistake?[/quote]

I dont think the Brown made a mistake at all. The guy honestly hasnt done sh*t to justify his draft position. His yard per carry is sux behind an oline which really isnt that bad. Like I said before, Norv and Chud are not trading a difference maker if they thought he was an all pro. They dont believe in him and those guys know great RB.

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If I had a 2nd favorite, or AFC team ... it would be the lovable loser Cleveland Browns. New owner, new GM, new HC, new DC, new OC ... this team is moving in the right direction. They obviously feel they're getting more value in recouping a first for the future then to winning today with Richardson. They could probably find a RB on a Shanny practice squad good for 75 yards a game before this season is over.

I'm surprised the consensus is that they've thrown the towel in on Weeden.

I would have liked to seen them ride Richardson another season to get the most out of him ... but I guess thats the gamble you take and they didnt want to risk him getting hurt and not being able to recoup that first round pick.

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[quote=Mattyk;1026819]I didn't pick the Skins to lose, I didn't even make a prediction.[/quote]

Yeah my bad,I guess I took it as you thought we would lose

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[quote=Skinzman;1026771]On a lot of screens, wide receiver screens included, O-line will not pick them up because they are coached to not pick them up. Clay lined up wide and went straight up field. TW wouldnt have gotten him cut in time anyways based on the angle that CM took. Its a WR screen, they are coached to hit the second level as quick as possible. You are also talking about Clay Mathews. A guy that goes around a lot of LT's anyways, run or pass. Its not as easy as you make it out to be. You have to catch him before you can block him. But according to you, the average person sitting at home watching on Sunday can do that.[/quote]On that play the OL was trying to influence on the Stretch Right. TW went straight to 2nd level. CM was out wide and came in at an angle thru the passing lane. TW had to see him out there and knowing the play, with no other threat in his area, the smart thing to do would've been to at least attempt a cut. I never said it was easy....but I'm not getting paid $ 8M or so per year to play LT, getting Pro Bowl accolades from 2012, and getting blindly defended by many fans who "understand what's going on in the trenches" (not a reference to anything you said).