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[quote=firstdown;1031055][URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57462689/public-opinion-of-the-health-care-law/"]Public opinion of the health care law - CBS News[/URL][/quote]


Since you like CBS....


[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57605822/poll-americans-not-happy-about-shutdown-more-blame-gop/]Poll: Americans not happy about shutdown; more blame GOP - CBS News[/url]



CBS News/ October 3, 2013, 7:00 AM
[B]Poll: Americans not happy about shutdown; more blame GOP[/B]


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[I][B]By Sarah Dutton, Jennifer De Pinto, Anthony Salvanto and Fred Backus[/B][/I]

On day three of the [URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57605766/shutdown-stalemate-continues-white-house-meeting-unproductive/"][COLOR=#0066cc]partial government shutdown[/COLOR][/URL], a new CBS News poll reveals that a large majority of Americans disapprove of the shutdown and more are blaming Republicans than President Obama and the Democrats for it.

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[B]No progress on shutdown after White House meeting[/B]


[/URL]Fully 72 percent of Americans disapprove of [URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/2718-250_162-2285/government-shutdown-showdown-2013/"][COLOR=#0066cc]shutting down the federal government[/COLOR][/URL] over differences on the Affordable Care Act; just 25 percent approve of this action. Republicans are divided: 48 percent approve, while 49 percent disapprove. Most tea party supporters approve of the government shutdown - 57 percent of them do. Disapproval of the shutdown is high among Democrats and independents. This CBS News poll was conducted after the partial government shutdown began on October 1.

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This President has gone to a new low. He really can't find $500,000 to send to these families. Nothing like trying to prove a point at anyone cost. First the WWII Memorial now this.

[url=http://www.today.com/news/shutdown-denies-death-benefits-families-fallen-soldiers-8C11355842]Shutdown denies death benefits to families of fallen soldiers - TODAY.com[/url]

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[quote=firstdown;1031295]This President has gone to a new low. He really can't find $500,000 to send to these families. Nothing like trying to prove a point at anyone cost. First the WWII Memorial now this.

[url=http://www.today.com/news/shutdown-denies-death-benefits-families-fallen-soldiers-8C11355842]Shutdown denies death benefits to families of fallen soldiers - TODAY.com[/url][/quote]


You can thank the Tea Party for this. They are ecstatic about the shut down.


I find it funny that the Repubs are trying to pass legislation that would fund these veterans. Well, that's not how this works. You don't shut down the government and then pass legislation that YOU want. This is the compromise portion that they aren't getting. I hope the Senate shoots down any and all legislation crap from the Republicans until they come off their demands.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1031311]You can thank the Tea Party for this. They are ecstatic about the shut down.


I find it funny that the Repubs are trying to pass legislation that would fund these veterans. Well, that's not how this works. [B]You don't shut down the government and then pass legislation that YOU wa[/B]nt. This is the compromise portion that they aren't getting. I hope the Senate shoots down any and all legislation crap from the Republicans until they come off their demands.[/quote]

Really, like passing a law (Obama care) then deciding which parts of the law you want to postpone or keep.

We have the money on hand the president is using these people to make a point. He sure found the money to make those raids over the weekend but he can't find the money for this? Give me a break.

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[quote=firstdown;1031321]Really, like passing a law (Obama care) then deciding which parts of the law you want to postpone or keep.

We have the money on hand the president is using these people to make a point. He sure found the money to make those raids over the weekend but he can't find the money for this? Give me a break.[/quote]

The President isn't the one that wanted the government shutdown, that was the Republicans (Tea Tards in particular). It's obvious by all the polls who the public blames for this. Even the Fox News polls had most of the people blaming the GOP.

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[quote=firstdown;1031295]This President has gone to a new low. He really can't find $500,000 to send to these families. Nothing like trying to prove a point at anyone cost. First the WWII Memorial now this.

[url=http://www.today.com/news/shutdown-denies-death-benefits-families-fallen-soldiers-8C11355842]Shutdown denies death benefits to families of fallen soldiers - TODAY.com[/url][/quote]

What are you talking about? The shutdown is the Tea Party's doing. There is a memo from August signed by Tea Party Congresspeople which details their shutdown strategy. This is written proof that the shutdown is a Tea Party creation.

If the shutdown is causing problems, the blame lies with the Tea Party alone.

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This has nothing to do with the shut down and is Obama just trying to prove a point. Like closing down the WWII memorial which is an outside memorial. It actually took more man power to try and close it down then it did to just leave it open.

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[quote=Lotus;1031328]What are you talking about? The shutdown is the Tea Party's doing. There is a memo from August signed by Tea Party Congresspeople which details their shutdown strategy. This is written proof that the shutdown is a Tea Party creation.

[B]If the shutdown is causing problems[/B], the blame lies with the Tea Party alone.[/quote]

That was my point this should not have been a problem but was made out to be by the president. If your going to use a memo to make a point you should also provide a link.

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[quote=firstdown;1031354]That was my point this should not have been a problem but was made out to be by the president. If your going to use a memo to make a point you should also provide a link.[/quote]

Happily.

[url=http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/09/meadows-boehner-defund-obamacare-suicide-caucus-geography.html]Where the G.O.P.'s Suicide Caucus Lives : The New Yorker[/url]

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From Fox , of all places .....


[url=http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/30/five-reasons-americans-already-love-obamacare-plus-one-reason-why-theyre-gonna/]Five reasons Americans already love ObamaCare — plus one reason why they’re gonna love it even more, soon | Fox News[/url]

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[quote=firstdown;1031354]That was my point this should not have been a problem but was made out to be by the president. If your going to use a memo to make a point you should also provide a link.[/quote]



??????You agree it's the fault of the Tea Party and then blame the President ???

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[url=http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/10/08/2748461/members-only-congressional-gyms-deemed-essential-remain-open-during-shutdown/]Members-Only Congressional Gyms Remain Open During Shutdown[/url]


Can't make this shit up...lol

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[quote=NC_Skins;1031413][url=http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/10/08/2748461/members-only-congressional-gyms-deemed-essential-remain-open-during-shutdown/]Members-Only Congressional Gyms Remain Open During Shutdown[/url]


Can't make this shit up...lol[/quote]

Unbelievable...

Yet completely believable at the same time.

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Now its getting serious.

[url=http://news.msn.com/us/shutdown-calls-time-on-craft-brewers]Shutdown calls time on craft brewers[/url]

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Funny everyone seems to forget the president is the one who has changed the law by picking and choosing the parts he wants to impliment. He wants to pick and choose parts of the law as he feels but has a problam when the Rep want to do THE SAME THING HE DID.

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first, the boss aways gets his way...you of all people should know that

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/09/politics/shutdown-military-families-benefits/index.html?hpt=hp_t1]Obama wants military benefits issue fixed "today," spokesman says - CNN.com[/url]

repulsive. Republicans should be ashamed. Stop holding up the vote.

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It's like the GOP can't get out of their own way.

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[quote=dmek25;1031545]first, the boss aways gets his way...you of all people should know that[/quote]

I own my business he does not own the US. He may think he does.

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[quote=Chico23231;1031550][URL="http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/09/politics/shutdown-military-families-benefits/index.html?hpt=hp_t1"]Obama wants military benefits issue fixed "today," spokesman says - CNN.com[/URL]

repulsive. Republicans should be ashamed. Stop holding up the vote.[/quote]

No one is holding up the vote.

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[quote=firstdown;1031559]No one is holding up the vote.[/quote]

Seems like your chosing Party over Country. Interesting.

Because thats what it is, these politicians dont really care about their own people or this country, they putting party in front of their country. So screw my neighbor and my community, Im upset our party has lost multiple times at the polls, so we are going to do everything possible to shut down the government.

Get over it, you lost again! The people voted and the majority chose affordable health care.

I may not like it, you may not like it, but you cant try to change the will of the people. It doesnt work like that, and the Party will end up hurting itself even more.

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[quote=firstdown;1031559]No one is holding up the vote.[/quote]


All facts to the contrary .


Boehner: No End to Government Shutdown Without Concessions

Read more: [URL="http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/06/boehner-no-end-to-government-shutdown-without-concessions/#ixzz2hFwNaur1"]Boehner: No End to Government Shutdown Without Concessions | TIME.com[/URL]

House Speaker John Boehner insisted on Sunday that there aren’t enough votes in the chamber to pass a “clean” bill to reopen the government or raise the debt ceiling unless Democrats make some concessions to Republicans.
“There are not votes in the House to pass a clean [funding measure].” Boehner said on ABC’s [I]This Week[/I]. “We are not going to pass a clean debt limit … The votes are not in the House … We are not going down that path.”


.......then let them vote and see

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Even McCain knows it's his own party's fault. More specifically, he's calling out the Tea Tards.

[url=http://www.mediaite.com/tv/mccain-we-should-be-embarrassed-about-shutdown-gop-pushed-false-premise-on-obamacare/]McCain: We Should Be ‘Embarrassed’ About Shutdown, GOP Pushed ‘False Premise’ on Obamacare | Mediaite[/url]

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[url=http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-8-2013/the-shutdown-blame-game]The Shutdown Blame Game - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 10/08/13 - Video Clip | Comedy Central[/url]


:laughing-



How is it that Obama and the Democrats are at fault again if they had a deal in place months ago and Boehner and his cronies reneged on it?

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[url=http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/10/09/231073855/to-help-during-shutdown-man-mows-lawn-around-lincoln-memorial?utm_source=NPR&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=20131009]To Help During Shutdown, Man Mows Lawn Around Lincoln Memorial : The Two-Way : NPR[/url]


This guy has done more for our country than our Congress has.

[quote]The Post reports that U.S. Park Police told him to stop mowing the lawn.[/quote]


Why am I not surprised at this bullshit. Really? Asking the guy to help stop maintaining our historical monuments?

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[url=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/09/1245702/-Obama-invites-all-House-Republicans-to-White-House-meeting-nearly-all-decline#]Daily Kos: Obama invites all House Republicans to White House meeting, nearly all decline[/url]

No guys. The President is refusing to talk to us, which is why he sent a invitation to all Republicans to the white house to talk. Oh, this invitation was declined by a huge majority. I guess that rules out that talking point from the GOP.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1031633][url=http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/10/09/231073855/to-help-during-shutdown-man-mows-lawn-around-lincoln-memorial?utm_source=NPR&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=20131009]To Help During Shutdown, Man Mows Lawn Around Lincoln Memorial : The Two-Way : NPR[/url]


This guy has done more for our country than our Congress has.




Why am I not surprised at this bullshit. Really? Asking the guy to help stop maintaining our historical monuments?[/quote]

I am not sure whether to laugh or cry about this.

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I love some Jon Stewart.

[url=http://tv.yahoo.com/news/jon-stewart-evil-obamacare-poor-people-always-er-120332673.html]Jon Stewart on Evil Obamacare: Poor People Can Always Go to the ER! - Yahoo TV[/url]


[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1031657]I am not sure whether to laugh or cry about this.[/quote]


Both.

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:laughing2

[url=http://freakoutnation.com/2013/10/11/sen-john-mccain-to-fox-host-lets-have-a-little-straight-talk-the-shutdown-is-the-gops-fault/]Sen. John McCain to Fox host: Let’s have a little straight talk. The shutdown is the GOP’s fault | FreakOutNation[/url]


[quote] The interview closed with McCain rattling off a number of proposals that are “achievable” for Republicans.

“Defunding Obamacare is not one of them,” he said emphatically.

“Well, we’ll see,” MacCallum said, prompting sarcastic laughter from the senator.

“I guarantee it,” McCain said. “Not only will you see, I guarantee it.”[/quote]


Where are those GOPers on this thread talking about how the shut down was the President and the Democrats fault? The hilarious part at the end of McCain's interview was Martha MacCallum's sigh when he tells her "I guarantee it" after her comment "we'll see about that" in relation to defunding Obamacare. Why can't these morons get it through their thick skulls?


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[url=http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-october-10-2013/medican-t?xrs=share_copy]Medican't - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 10/10/13 - Video Clip | Comedy Central[/url]

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So I'm down in Nags Head fishing in a tournament and a large section of the beach was shut down because its considered a national park. All the beaches around the park did just fine without the governments leadership not sure why they think we need them to go to the beach in the first place. F*ck the Federal Government it can stay shut for all I care. I'm tired of them acting as they can control us 24/7. Maybe other people will realize they don't need the government to hold their hand for everything they do.

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[quote=Mattyk;1031893][url=http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-october-10-2013/medican-t?xrs=share_copy]Medican't - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 10/10/13 - Video Clip | Comedy Central[/url][/quote]

I saw this the other night and thought those poor as people in those states truely dont have a voice.

The bottomline argument is that if you dont have health care and go to any medical facility for help, you will get the treatment you need, even if you cant afford it. Then those costs are just spread to everyone in the who does have coverage or the tax payers of that state. So what sense does it make to do nothing and continue down the same path?

Folks, GDP right now accounts for something like 16.5% and is rising at the fastest rates ever in the last 15 years for all health care, most modern countries its around 10-12%. We need to do something and the GOP have offered no serious alternatives.

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[quote=firstdown;1031902]So I'm down in Nags Head fishing in a tournament and a large section of the beach was shut down because its considered a national park. All the beaches around the park did just fine without the governments leadership not sure why they think we need them to go to the beach in the first place. F*ck the Federal Government it can stay shut for all I care. I'm tired of them acting as they can control us 24/7. Maybe other people will realize they don't need the government to hold their hand for everything they do.[/quote]

FD, I was suppose to go camping in the national park this weekend obviously canceled cause of the shutdown. But you cant privatize national parks because the next thing you know it would go all to hell.

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[quote=Chico23231;1031907]FD, I was suppose to go camping in the national park this weekend obviously canceled cause of the shutdown. But you cant privatize national parks because the next thing you know it would go all to hell.[/quote]

Its a beach like all other beaches that are not federal parks. They even were blocking people from going up to the Wright Brother Memorial. I can see the museum but this is just a memorial on a hill.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1031636][URL="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/09/1245702/-Obama-invites-all-House-Republicans-to-White-House-meeting-nearly-all-decline#"]Daily Kos: Obama invites all House Republicans to White House meeting, nearly all decline[/URL]

No guys. The President is refusing to talk to us, which is why he sent a invitation to all Republicans to the white house to talk. Oh, this invitation was declined by a huge majority. I guess that rules out that talking point from the GOP.[/quote]

Obama already sad he would not negotiate so why go.

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYWlOVGZbzc]Veterans Storm World War II Memorial in spite of Government Shutdown - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=firstdown;1031958]Its a beach like all other beaches that are not federal parks. They even were blocking people from going up to the Wright Brother Memorial. I can see the museum but this is just a memorial on a hill.[/quote]

What if someone wants to commit a crime at the memorial? Vandalize the memorial? We need personnel to be watching such spots but those folks are all out of jobs. That's why parks and memorials stay closed.

Don't you lock the doors of your house when you are not going to be at home? Same idea.

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[quote=firstdown;1031959]Obama already sad he would not negotiate so why go.[/quote]


On one thing he said he would not negotiate ,he also said he would listen to anything and that he would welcome an open dialog.