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I wasn't crazy about the play call at the end of the game either but Jeff Garcia made a good point on the NFL Am show this morning when he said that in thoes situations when the D is blitzing the corners play inside positions so that fade, out route should be there. I would have still called a different play, but I can see what he called that. He should have at least had a different receiver, some one with some hops like Reed or Garcon.

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The Five Year Plan to rebuild the team is in deep trouble. I'm not surprised but I don't blame Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen as much as you might think. When they took over, they knew that it was going to take a combination of good drafts, quality Free Agent signings and a few smart trades to get back into contention.

No, our rebuild was not botched by S&A but it was derailed by the $36M cap penalty we suffered. The penalty, spread over two years, eviscerated the Redskins' FA plans - and it was imposed at the very last minute prior to FA two years ago.

If it were not for the cap penalty, we might well have star players such as Vincent Jackson, Aquib Talib, and Dannell Ellerbe on our roster right now. Plus, we would probably have added a proven safety and one or two quality OL and DL to the team. Alas, our timetable was set back - probably two years.

And I just keep getting older.

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I think the whole they will go a run like last year talk needs to end, it is not going to happen. There are at least three more losses on the schedule, don't see this inconsistent team with no defense winning against the likes of San Francisco or KC, and I don't think they will sweep the Giants. The loss is definitely on the defense, but still I think Kyle gets too pass happy every time the game gets close. There seemed to be a couple of possessions in the second half where we got too pass happy and ended up with sacks and then having to punt.

I can understand why everyone is on the fire Haslett bandwagon, I am not though. In my mind there is one man responsible for all of this, and that is Mike Shannahan. This is his team, and his record as Redskins coach is 25W-32L, a whopping .438 win percentage. The win percentage speaks for itself. The defense is epically bad, and has been so ever since Shannahan arrived. I know many on this forum blame the 3-4, I don't think it is that simple. It is a gross lack of talent in the front seven, the so called 'strength' of the defense.

I am not going to bash Bowen or Coefield, both are good players, just not elite, and that is the Skins' problem. They don't have a single elite pass rusher on this team and the two guys who are supposed to be elite, are not, Orako is okay, and Kerrigan is decent. The lack of pass rush has been an issue for long time, and honestly I cannot recall a dominant Redskins defensive lineman since the old '80's teams with Dexter Manley and Charles Mann coming off the edge. I do recall plenty of epic free agent busts and guys past their prime, Dan "Big Daddy" Wilkerson, Danna Stubblefield, Bruce Smith, and of course Albert Hanyesworth. For as long as I can remember it seems that the pass rush for this team is supposed to come from linebacker position, Ken Harvey during the Norv years, LaVarr Arrington, and now the Orakpo/Kerrigan combo.

So, I don't know what the answer is and I don't think there are any 'quick' fixes. I suspect the fact that Bowen is playing with I believe a torn ligament is not helping, but what does that say about the depth behind him, when they cannot beat out a guy with just one good leg?

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Josh Wilson was miserable last night

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This years team has no chance to finish better than 8-8 IMO, the D is just too bad. What else could Griff and CO. do last night? Over 400 yards and 27 points on the road?

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[quote=Chico23231;1039911]What about the misread and throwing to the actual open receiver Garcon on the square in for the TD?

So question, was it the play design or the execution? [B][I][SIZE="5"]Because who in their right mind throws a fade to the smallest receiver in the end zone or who puts their smallest receiver on that route to be thrown too? [/SIZE][/I][/B]Poor. These are the small things that cost dumb teams.

That being said, because of we like to finger point the defense more responsible for the loss. Pathetic to let ponder have a game like that.[/quote]

Exactly.I didnt like the call,and if you were ok with the call{smootsmack:)}how can you be ok with who the balls being thrown to?
If your gonna make that call its got to go to Hankerson or Garcon,not the smallest receiver on the team whos had the dropsies anyway.Moss had no chance of getting his feet down,a receiver with a longer reach might have.
Terrible decision making at its finest

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[quote=Summo;1039916]I wasn't crazy about the play call at the end of the game either but Jeff Garcia made a good point on the NFL Am show this morning when he said that in thoes situations when the D is blitzing the corners play inside positions so that fade, out route should be there. I would have still called a different play, but I can see what he called that. He should have at least had a different receiver, some one with some hops like Reed or Garcon.[/quote]

I agree. I wasn't crazy over that call either, but if Moss was just able to drag his feet just a little bit, then the game goes into overtime.

I never like to complain about the refs, because good teams find a way to win despite bad officiating, but there were so many non-calls that should have been called that I really started to think the game was rigged. RGIII was hit late several times, but it was never called. Christian Ponder was hit the same exact way - personal foul penalty. Jordon Reed was held going into the end zone - no call. Personal foul penalties on the 'skins after the play - although the Minnesota players struck first. I just felt that during the whole game, the refs were completely one sided. Sometimes I see refs missing an obvious call or making a bad penalty call, but then go back later and kind of make things even. Not in this game. It was one bad no call after the other all night - mostly calls that would have benefited the 'skins, but the refs were going to have none of that.

But like I said, good teams win despite poor officiating and this team just isn't a good team. It's not the 3-6 team from a year ago that was good enough to overcome that hole and win the division - this team deserves 3-6.

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Gotta be honest, when the 'Skins were up by 10 at the half, and the way they were scoring at well in the first 2 quarters, I changed the channel to watch OU @ Baylor. Seeing the blowout by Baylor was will in hand, I changed back to NFLN and saw Minn up by 1.

For those that are venting their frustrations on the final drive, I offer two observations:

1. The PI penalty no call. Referees are going to let teams play it out in the final minute of a close game. They are NOT going to let a penalty dictate the outcome, unless it is blatant and obvious. That PI in the end zone will have 2 schools of thought on it.
1. A missed call or
2. A good 'no call'.

I concur that the roughing call on Ponder in the first half should not have been called. Looked like a clean, legal hit to me. But the NFL has been tossing those type of flags on every team in every game this season. But honestly, in the final minute of a one score game, when you are on the opponents goal line, the officials simply are not going to dictate the outcome unless it is obvious.

2. The 4th and goal fade to Moss. Watch the replay, even if Moss had dragged his foot, it was obvious he did not have control of the ball until he was well out of bounds and on the ground. Gotta have control and both feet to be a legit reception.

Last point: the way the team played in the first half says that they should have never put themselves in a position needing a 4th quarter drive to tie the game. Redskins got outscored 20-3 in the second half. Put your frustrations on that.

Have to also state that the Redskins played an OT game on Sunday, had a short week and had to travel. Additionally, the Vikes lost a close one at Dallas on Sunday on a 90 yard drive in the final minute, you can bet they put in some over time in preparing thier 2 minute defense and were not going to let that happen two weeks in a row.

Silver lining: 'Skins still in the hunt for the division as they will not lose ground to Dallas. The Cowboys are going to get destroyed by New Orleans on Sunday Night.

And for the Sean Taylor reference earlier. At the end of the day, it's just a game. There will be a winner and a loser, that's the way they are designed.

ST was a tragedy. Lets try and keep perspective, shall we?

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[quote=Mattyk;1039907]This and then some.

I know people hate Kyle, but it's crazy how people are pointing fingers at the offense for this. We made Ponder look like a legit QB for crying out loud.

Coming into that game the Vikings were near the bottom of the league in total offense and middle of the pack in points per game. 34 points matched their highest ouput in a game this season.

The offense didn't blow a 27-14 3rd quarter lead.[/quote]

I agree but 3 points in the 2nd half??? That's pathetic. Plenty of blame on both sides.

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Moss is short, has a tendency to drop the occasional ball. But he's a vet. And he's come thru for us in the clutch many times before. I feel more comfortable relying on him to catch the ball in that end zone situation than anybody else except Reed. Remember what Tana did in Dallas last season? (hankerson should be our go-to-guy there, if he can ever catch fire. )

Please let Haslett go end of this season. If we get a Burns like replacement next season, keep trying to fill the DC position every year until we get someone good. And we need more youth (FA, other teams practice squad signings) on a D that's failing regardless of coaching.

What's wrong with Morris being DC?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1039923]Gotta be honest, when the 'Skins were up by 10 at the half, and the way they were scoring at will in the first 2 quarters, I changed the channel to watch OU @ Baylor. Seeing the blowout by Baylor was will in hand, I changed back to NFLN and saw Minn up by 1.

For those that are venting their frustrations on the final drive, I offer two observations:

1. The PI penalty no call. Referees are going to let teams play it out in the final minute of a close game. They are NOT going to let a penalty dictate the outcome, unless it is blatant and obvious. That PI in the end zone will have 2 schools of thought on it.
1. A missed call or
2. A good 'no call'.

I concur that the roughing call on Ponder in the first half should not have been called. Looked like a clean, legal hit to me. But the NFL has been tossing those type of flags on every team in every game this season. But honestly, in the final minute of a one score game, when you are on the opponents goal line, the officials simply are not going to dictate the outcome unless it is obvious.

2. The 4th and goal fade to Moss. Watch the replay, even if Moss had dragged his foot, it was obvious he did not have control of the ball until he was well out of bounds and on the ground. Gotta have control and both feet to be a legit reception.

Last point: the way the team played in the first half says that they should have never put themselves in a position needing a 4th quarter drive to tie the game. Redskins got outscored 20-3 in the second half. Put your frustrations on that.

Silver lining: 'Skins still in the hunt for the division as they will not lose ground to Dallas. The Cowboys are going to get destroyed by New Orleans on Sunday Night.

And for the Sean Taylor reference earlier. At the end of the day, it's just a game. There will be a winner and a loser, that's the way they are designed.

ST was a tragedy. Lets try and keep perspective, shall we?[/quote]

Thanks Jack. And I agree with most of what you said. Especially the part about the Cowboys getting destroyed by New Orleans on Sunday night! ;) j/k

I honestly say, whoever wins the NFC east hasn't won much this year. Yes, they'll get into the playoffs and will probably be badly embarrassed.

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For people complaining about the throw to Moss, he's made plenty of tightrope type of catches in his career to justify him being a legit target in that situation, and keep in mind Griffin ultimately made the decision to make the throw to him. Griffin obviously trusts him and he got open. And it's not like the ball was over his head where his height was an issue. He was inches away from getting his 2nd foot down.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1039924]I agree but 3 points in the 2nd half??? That's pathetic. Plenty of blame on both sides.[/quote]

Yeah the offense didn't get it done in the 2nd half. But they did build a 13 point lead against a team with a bad offense.

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[quote=skinsguy;1039914]Oh no. I don't buy the Haslett doesn't have the players excuse at all. That's an absolute cop out. Look back at the defensive rankings of all of Jim Haslett's defenses over the years - including what he has done in Washington. Not very good. He's just not that great of a coach. I think at the time, he was [I]maybe[/I] the best option this franchise had to choose from, but he's not the defensive mastermind the 'skins need to make it all work. You don't have to have a defense full of pro bowlers to have the defense playing well. You just need to know what pieces you have and figure out what scheme works the best.

A great coach, even just a good coach, [U]knows how to bring out the best in the players he has to work with.[/U] He knows how to work to their strengths, hide their weaknesses, get them playing consistently to those strengths, and enjoy some level of success even if, at best, it's middle of the road. That's why Richie Petitbon was considered a defensive mastermind. He didn't have the best players on his defenses throughout the years, but he made it work. Yes, we can look back and see guys like Charles Mann, Dexter Manley, Darrell Green and say those guys were great - but look at all of the guys that came in and out of the line up during the Petitbon era. He know how to bring out the best in his players, what formations work the best with which personnel, and most importantly - he knew how to make halftime adjustments. We do not have that in one Jim Haslett. We have a guy who knows defenses, and probably has tried his best to work to his players strengths, but he isn't talent enough to make it work well enough when the players aren't all pro bowl players.[/quote]


Good points there and I agree. Ritchie was one of the best, if not the best at his craft. But when his players got old ( in 93) we saw there was nothing he could do. Haslett isn't anywhere near Ritchie's class, but I don't see a Mann, Manley or DG on any of his defenses. Name one Pro Bowl type of player on defense? Maybe D. Hall...Amerson looks like a future star but he's not there yet as Allen abused him last week. Who else? No one.

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[quote=Mattyk;1039927]For people complaining about the throw to Moss, he's made plenty of tightrope type of catches in his career to justify him being a legit target in that situation, and keep in mind Griffin ultimately made the decision to make the throw to him. Griffin obviously trusts him and he got open. And it's not like the ball was over his head where his height was an issue. He was inches away from getting his 2nd foot down.[/quote]
I'll never forget Moss catching those two bombs from Brunell to beat the Cowboys. The bottom line, it never should have come down to needing a last second desperate score to tie the game.

The total melt down, not even showing up on the field play of the special teams and defense have doomed this team this season. The offense will be under intense pressure to basically have to score a TD every time they touch the ball to compensate for what is so grossly wrong with the rest of the team. Needless to say, that does not bode well for a successful season.

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I was really depressed last night with this team. The Redskins' defense is beyond bad. The playcall to Moss doesn't bother me at all. It just should have never come down to that. When you allow 34 points to the Vikings you should lose, simple as that. I know the Redskins defense went on a run last year to help them get into the playoffs, but it was mostly due to them getting turnovers late in the season. If this Defense can't get turnovers, they can't get off the field on their own. They just can't stop anyone.

And the Special teams are anything but special. Forbath is fine, but the penalties and the lack of disipline is just aweful.

Our offense played a great game, RG3, Morris, Garcon, Reed, what more can you ask of them? 27 points should have been enough to beat the Vikings when you win the turnover battle, but this team can't stop anyone. Just very depressing.

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[quote=DirtBagZ;1039918]I think the whole they will go a run like last year talk needs to end, it is not going to happen. There are at least three more losses on the schedule, don't see this inconsistent team with no defense winning against the likes of San Francisco or KC, and I don't think they will sweep the Giants. The loss is definitely on the defense, but still I think Kyle gets too pass happy every time the game gets close. There seemed to be a couple of possessions in the second half where we got too pass happy and ended up with sacks and then having to punt.

I can understand why everyone is on the fire Haslett bandwagon, I am not though. In my mind there is one man responsible for all of this, and that is Mike Shannahan. This is his team, and his record as Redskins coach is 25W-32L, a whopping .438 win percentage. The win percentage speaks for itself. The defense is epically bad, and has been so ever since Shannahan arrived. I know many on this forum blame the 3-4, I don't think it is that simple. It is a gross lack of talent in the front seven, the so called 'strength' of the defense.

I am not going to bash Bowen or Coefield, both are good players, just not elite, and that is the Skins' problem. They don't have a single elite pass rusher on this team and the two guys who are supposed to be elite, are not, Orako is okay, and Kerrigan is decent. The lack of pass rush has been an issue for long time, and honestly I cannot recall a dominant Redskins defensive lineman since the old '80's teams with Dexter Manley and Charles Mann coming off the edge. I do recall plenty of epic free agent busts and guys past their prime, Dan "Big Daddy" Wilkerson, Danna Stubblefield, Bruce Smith, and of course Albert Hanyesworth. For as long as I can remember it seems that the pass rush for this team is supposed to come from linebacker position, Ken Harvey during the Norv years, LaVarr Arrington, and now the Orakpo/Kerrigan combo.

So, I don't know what the answer is and I don't think there are any 'quick' fixes. I suspect the fact that Bowen is playing with I believe a torn ligament is not helping, but what does that say about the depth behind him, when they cannot beat out a guy with just one good leg?[/quote]

Agree 100% with the Shanahan comment. I wasn't overly thrilled with his hire to begin with, his track record (one playoff win in fourteen seasons) speaks for itself. Many of those years he had pretty talented teams too. But this Redskin team just seems to find ways to lose under him. His son and Haslett as well are just as much to blame, but it starts with the head coach who seems to be more arrogant than anything else.

Last night is a perfect example. Playing a woeful Vikings team that was missing eight starters, and this team gets whipped in the second half and loses a game it couldn't afford to. That's just another example of the ugly kind of loss this team has had over and over under Shanahan. Poor plays, consistent stupid penalties, all are hallmarks of his time here. The list could go on and on.

I don't get the "we're still in it" or the "we came back from 3-6 last year" crowds. Last year was last year, and yeah they still might be in it but they're 0-2 in this awful division and there are probably more losses to come.

The three wins they've had have been very lucky. Flynn was absolutely awful for Oakland but the Redskins still struggled to win that one. If Pryor plays it's probably a loss. The Bears lost Cutler but then McCown proceeded to shred the Redskins. If Chicago isn't missing several key players on defense that's probably a loss too. San Diego gave the Redskins a gift with that inexplicable playcalling down on the one yard line....

This is a bad football team from top to bottom...I would not expect a run like last season, and even if they do somehow win the division, I can't see them beating anyone decent in the playoffs, and I'm not sure where to go from here...

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The fade to Moss was by design. Everyone knew that on 4th down at the goal line that there was going to be double coverage on Garcon and Reed. Moss had one catch all game and they knew he would be the only one in man coverage.

This loss is on the defense for letting ponder pick them apart for most of the game and that Cassell conversion on third and forever is just ...well a complete fail.
That being said our offense put up three points in the second half. There has got to be some accountability there. We were basically moving the ball at will in the first half.
All this being said, the blame falls on Mike Shanahan. He is the head coach. He is responsible for everything. Personnell, the staff he assembled, the discipline (or lack there of) of this team, the gameplan, the motivation and desire of this team. I do not want to hear about what he inherited or the cap hit. Leslie Frazier inherited dog shit, and talent wise we are better than that crap ass 1-7 team. Leslie Frazier found a way to put his team in a position to win with two maligned backup qb's who would only be starting on one other team - the Jaguars. They were starting two rookie gaurds last nite that like the qb's probably would be backups at best anywhere else in the league. How the fuck did we not get to their qb's more is insane.
Minnesota called two timeouts at the end of the game lastnite or we do not even run those plays period.
We have several good young players, and capspace coming. In two years we will have our number one picks again. MS, KS, Haz, and of course the ST coach will not be here in 2015- they should not be here in 2014. RG-3 will win championships with this team, but not with the current regime. No way.

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I think we are just expecting more out of a 3-6 team than they can produce. It sucks but when you have a franchise QB that means the team will be fine in the long run we just have to build around him and get a D. As I've said here so many times, Griffin is asked to do way more than guys like RW and Kaep. Luck is the only young QB that is asked to do just as much for his team and the Colts D is ten times better than ours.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1039921]Exactly.I didnt like the call,and if you were ok with the call{smootsmack:)}how can you be ok with who the balls being thrown to?
If your gonna make that call its got to go to Hankerson or Garcon,not the smallest receiver on the team whos had the dropsies anyway.Moss had no chance of getting his feet down,a receiver with a longer reach might have.
Terrible decision making at its finest[/quote]

He's made that play several times

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/2635/ten-observations-vikings-34-redskins-27]Ten Observations: Vikings 34, Redskins 27 - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1039950]I think we are just expecting more out of a 3-6 team than they can produce. It sucks but when you have a franchise QB that means the team will be fine in the long run we just have to build around him and get a D. As I've said here so many times, Griffin is asked to do way more than guys like RW and Kaep. Luck is the only young QB that is asked to do just as much for his team and the Colts D is ten times better than ours.[/quote]

Yeah but RG3 is also part of the reason we're 3-6. He has recently started to look like what we think he can be. I think part of that is the injury/no off season but it is what it is. I just hope he can continue to get better, it looks like he's turning the corner which is real good to see.

In the first drive, we settled for 3 points after not being able to score from the 1. A stupid penalty in the 3rd quarter gives Min a 1st down on the 1. 4 points we didn't get, and 4 points we gave up with a personal foul penalty. And we lost by 7. That is the kind of season it has been folks.

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The lack of discipline is on Shanahan. Personal foul penalties led to touchdowns pure and simple. But our defense is a joke. Any backup QB in the league can throw touchdowns on our defense. Josh Wilson Bacarri Rambo are a waste of money. Hall and Amerson I would keep but all the other DBs blow.No pass rush and only 2 DB worth keeping = joke of a pass coverage. I hope Phillip Thomas is a keeper and we draft another DB. Perhaps a pass rusher in free agency and another right guard are a must. Chester, Rambo, Meriweather, Wilson, Riley must go. So let it be written so let it be done.

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So much last night. Yeah I didn't love the last play, but I didn't hate it either. It had to be perfect, it was there, from what I understand it was his first read as well (meaning he wouldn't even have made the read to a wide open Reed since Moss was open). Didn't work, but that doesn't define the game to me either. The defense was horrible all night, against a terrible team. They don't make plays, the pass rush was a little better, but still nothing great.

The two biggest issues I have, are penalties and special teams. We take these STUPID personal fouls (I swear to god I think 20 seconds past from the play before Riley got his), DY with one on special teams, I mean whatever.

Bottom line, is this team is not very good top to bottom. The only reason we're still in it, is because the rest of the division is as bad as we are. The Cowboys I would estimate lose in New Orleans so we still wont "lose" any ground in the division, but there is nothing with this team that makes me think they're capable of what they did last year.

On one positive note, Alfred Morris and Pierre Garcon = MONSTERS. RG3 had a good night as well and as others have said, I think he has to/trys to do too much, but Garcon and Morris were great.

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[quote=Gmanc711;1039956]So much last night. Yeah I didn't love the last play, but I didn't hate it either. It had to be perfect, it was there, from what I understand it was his first read as well (meaning he wouldn't even have made the read to a wide open Reed since Moss was open). Didn't work, but that doesn't define the game to me either. The defense was horrible all night, against a terrible team. They don't make plays, the pass rush was a little better, but still nothing great.

The two biggest issues I have, are penalties and special teams. We take these STUPID personal fouls (I swear to god I think 20 seconds past from the play before Riley got his), DY with one on special teams, I mean whatever.

Bottom line, is this team is not very good top to bottom. The only reason we're still in it, is because the rest of the division is as bad as we are. The Cowboys I would estimate lose in New Orleans so we still wont "lose" any ground in the division, but there is nothing with this team that makes me think they're capable of what they did last year.

On one positive note, Alfred Morris and Pierre Garcon = MONSTERS. RG3 had a good night as well and as others have said, I think he has to/trys to do too much, but Garcon and Morris were great.[/quote]


And Jordan Reed that guy has the potential to be Antonio Gates like

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[quote=Mattyk;1039927]For people complaining about the throw to Moss, he's made plenty of tightrope type of catches in his career to justify him being a legit target in that situation, and keep in mind Griffin ultimately made the decision to make the throw to him. Griffin obviously trusts him and he got open. And it's not like the ball was over his head where his height was an issue. He was inches away from getting his 2nd foot down.[/quote]

I think that play in that situation is too hit or miss, you need a perfect throw and a tight rope catch. If they were down by a FG then why not try it.

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[quote=Gmanc711;1039956]So much last night. Yeah I didn't love the last play, but I didn't hate it either. It had to be perfect, it was there, from what I understand it was his first read as well (meaning he wouldn't even have made the read to a wide open Reed since Moss was open). Didn't work, but that doesn't define the game to me either. The defense was horrible all night, against a terrible team. They don't make plays, the pass rush was a little better, but still nothing great.

The two biggest issues I have, are penalties and special teams. We take these STUPID personal fouls (I swear to god I think 20 seconds past from the play before Riley got his), DY with one on special teams, I mean whatever.

Bottom line, is this team is not very good top to bottom. The only reason we're still in it, is because the rest of the division is as bad as we are. The Cowboys I would estimate lose in New Orleans so we still wont "lose" any ground in the division, but there is nothing with this team that makes me think they're capable of what they did last year.

On one positive note, Alfred Morris and Pierre Garcon = MONSTERS. [B]RG3 had a good night as well and as others have said, I think he has to/trys to do too much[/B], but Garcon and Morris were great.[/quote]

He needs to learn you cant take those 10+ yards sacks, thats on him. I agree with Morris, Garcon, Reed, and RG3 had good/great games, folks thats a nice core of skill players on offense.

The Defense seems to "fake it" sometimes, they can hid their issues fairly well. I think we need a serious up grade of talent at Slot Corner, ILB, FS, and someone to step up and consistently at SS. And im just gonna say it, but I wouldnt re sign Orakpo. Dont pay him top money, he's not worth it. So a pass rush OLB is a need.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/08/washington-blames-botched-fake-punt-on-miscommunication/]Washington blames botched fake punt on miscommunication | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Fuck Burns. Piece of shit

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1039952][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/2635/ten-observations-vikings-34-redskins-27]Ten Observations: Vikings 34, Redskins 27 - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Amen to that. The little things the Skins do wrong end up burning their azz. Why cant our DBs jam receivers at the line like the Vikings did Reed in the second half.THey don't and the receivers for other teams are wide open. Perry Riley couldn't keep up with his guy because receivers look like they are playing Canadian league football with a head start off the line it seems.

PLaying ten yards off the receiver means you just can't cover and need help against the long ball which opens up the short game. It would be nice to see our DBs play just 5 yards off the receiver because they can actually match up and cover someone which actually I think Hall can do pretty well. He is doing his job in my opinion and Amerson has the skills to do so as well. They should not be letting these receivers catch all these passes.

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[quote=Mattyk;1039907]This and then some.

I know people hate Kyle, but it's crazy how people are pointing fingers at the offense for this. We made Ponder look like a legit QB for crying out loud.

Coming into that game the Vikings were near the bottom of the league in total offense and middle of the pack in points per game. 34 points matched their highest ouput in a game this season.

The offense didn't blow a 27-14 3rd quarter lead.[/quote]

[quote=NC_Skins;1039905][B][SIZE="4"] ‏@kevins980

Can't believe anyone w/half a brain would put this loss on Kyle. The D gave up 34 pts on 50 plays! Vikes scored on 6 of 8 drives! Please.[/SIZE][/B][/quote]


This isn't 1 game boo-hoo Kyle must go. This is the culmination of years. Don't worry, Haslett will get his. But this is a Shanahan team.
Kyle leads the league in WR's and TE's lined up alongside and behind the QB. Im sure we lead the league in QB hits- even on RB runs. Kyle is wreckless and unnecessary. He treats a Ferrari like a Jeep wrangler.
DC is an attractive team when overlooking Snyder. Coaches and players will want to be here.
Mike cannot continue to be the highest paid coach in NFL with this production. The fact he hired his son for such a highly important position is counter productive and irresponsible.
Mike has to go down with the ship and Kyle has to as well.
It makes zero sense to hang our hats on an effective run game with Alfred, then to abandon Alf in favor of Robert to run. there comes a point in games when the other team knows what is being called, its about putting a hat on a hat and fighting for yards. Alfred can make the first 1-3 guys miss, the zone blocking can open him cut back holes, Young is a great blocker.
Why is that Kyle needs a playaction for a pass play to occur? We almost never see it on 3rd and 15 or in final 2mins when trailing = B/C he knows when we need to move the ball or score to cut out the bullshit and just fuk'n do it.
Yeah, Haslett called a horrible game. The greater evil Kyle. Robert, Alf, Reed, Garcon, and crew and be more successful w/o Kyle and I garruntee that Robert would not have been hurt and the 2013 season ruined if we didn't have KYLE.
Kyle has to go now.
Let Mike miss a few tanning bed appointments and absorb play calling duties until season end when we fire him.
This team is F'kd.
the answer is evident when asked- has the Shanahan family affair been good or bad for the Skins? And why would we want to prolong and enable any further.
Defense lost this game but are you really going to defend Kyle when the Offense ran all over a dismal Vikings defense? I think Kyle held the offense back even more so (opening drive, dumb ass pistol looks, scripted option keeps)

Robert already has a Heisman. NFL is NFL football.
Is Kyle just using the Redskins to have a NCAA job offer? He will never be an NFL HC. That is partly why Mike came to DC to 1. get into the HOF 2. get Kyle a HC job. That is undeniable.

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[quote=Chico23231;1039960][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/08/washington-blames-botched-fake-punt-on-miscommunication/"]Washington blames botched fake punt on miscommunication | ProFootballTalk[/URL]

Fuck Burns. Piece of shit[/quote]

Seems like Doughty has to share some blame too.

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Hot read was to Moss, more experience will have him looking for Reed (Henderson missing from the middle). Lichtensteiger was in trouble right away on the back peddle. It was a play alot of good experienced QBs make, I don't think they throw it to moss though. He has to learn, let me keep going at it.

They got zero calls from the Refs last night, kinda ridiculous.

We have a huge gaping hole in the middle of the defense, and I love Fletcher. Come on, 1 sack against that line..

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The offense is near the top half of the league in most offensive categories while the defense is near the bottom in most, but yeah F Kyle. :doh:

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[quote=Chico23231;1039960][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/08/washington-blames-botched-fake-punt-on-miscommunication/]Washington blames botched fake punt on miscommunication | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Fuck Burns. Piece of shit[/quote]

Everyone else knew it might be called since they practiced it during the week and the only person who didn't get it was Paul. So he needs to pay attention since he was the only one who didn't know to look out for the call and everyone else did. Pretty obvious Paul was the clueless one on this call.

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[quote=Mattyk;1039963]Seems like Doughty has to share some blame too.[/quote]

Yeah, but lets be honest every freakin game Special teams has a problem. Every effing game. Burns and Shanny are out of excuses. If I was Dan I would step in and over rule Shanny this offseason. Id tell Bruce no way Burns steps on the field next year.

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Y the fuck was Riley covering a WR is what i need to know

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1039968]Y the fuck was Riley covering a WR is what i need to know[/quote]

zone coverage and the WR came through his zone?

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yeah man but geez we all know he can't cover a slot.. just frustrating and is Hall hurt?