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[quote=Sonny9TD;1042664]About time someone told it like it is Moss speaking up which makes me believe maybe he isn't the long term answer. What a waste that would be. I guess everyone has heard about Moss's comments but have seen no discussion about it. But Moss isn't happy if you haven't heard. Maybe everyone else on the team has said the same and I haven't heard about that yet.[/quote]

Here

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/55310-around-the-nfl-week-12-a.html[/url]

And here

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/55291-do-you-unequivocally-believe-rg3-our.html[/url]

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[quote=punch it in;1042674]Really? They were 2-14 the year before he took over. People were saying Manning should win the mvp and he didnt even play! Lol. The team obviously had lackluster talent on both sides of the ball minus Manning. Insert Luck and they go from 2 wins back to the playoffs for consecutive years. Give the guy some credit.[/quote]

So Alex Smith is one of the best QBs in the NFL according to the 2-14 the year before logic.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1042678]They went 2-14 mainly because they had garbage QB play. If Manning was healthy do you really think they win 2 games?[/QUOTE]

No of course not, and if Luck played they dont win two either. They had no defense and were far from competitive. Ive seen other teams with garbage qb play not be absolute trainwrecks. 2-14? Not sure you can say a 2-14 team has the pieces around to be a playoff team no matter who is playing qb. RexBeck was a better team. Lol. Im saying Manning and Luck are that good - they both put lackluster teams (2-14) on their backs and made them playoff teams.

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[QUOTE=donofriose;1042683]So Alex Smith is one of the best QBs in the NFL according to the 2-14 the year before logic.[/QUOTE]

The Colts did not have Jamal Charles. The Colts did not have that defense. That is a case where the pieces were there. Im not saying that u can insert a great qb onto any team and make them winners. Im talking strictly about Lucks situation. Apples and oranges.
Edit: ill also say ....again.... That the chiefs are highly overrated. Look at who they have beat - its garbage. They will benefit from an extremely weak schedule and get into the playoffs - and get knocked out of the first round. Luck beat the broncos. Smith - with a better D and better run game - did not.

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[quote=donofriose;1042683]So Alex Smith is one of the best QBs in the NFL according to the 2-14 the year before logic.[/quote]

if you look at the numbers, Alex Smith has been below average everywhere except QB Wins and TD vs Turnovers. I think Andy goes QB in the draft early this year

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[quote=Mattyk;1042681]Here

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/55310-around-the-nfl-week-12-a.html[/url]

And here

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/55291-do-you-unequivocally-believe-rg3-our.html[/url][/quote]

"already being discussed in several threads"

I don't see any discussion about that. I thought nobody saw it since there was no discussion about it or thread mentioning it where I posted my thread. I see no response to you mentioning it what so ever. They do talk about Moss's contract however in detail.

What discussion because I want to see what folk think about it. Where is that discussion so I can read what everyone was discussing? You sure anyone saw that? No wonder I didn't know it was already posted. Certainly wouldn't want to repeat any discussion about that again. My apologies for the double post just the same.

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@mikefreemanNFL13m
Had text chat with Washington player re RG3. Oh boy. Ohhhh boy.


CANT WAIT TO SEE WHAT NEW REPORT THIS BRINGS!!


Seriously, its bad enough this team sucks; all this drama is ridiculous and makes me really concerned for the future.

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[quote=Gmanc711;1042696]@mikefreemanNFL13m
Had text chat with Washington player re RG3. Oh boy. Ohhhh boy.


CANT WAIT TO SEE WHAT NEW REPORT THIS BRINGS!!


Seriously, its bad enough this team sucks; all this drama is ridiculous and makes me really concerned for the future.[/quote]

Shouldn't coach be trying to keep his players under control? This is turning into a 3 ring circus.

I can only imagine what that locker room is like on gameday. Like a bunch of zombies I bet.

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[quote=Sonny9TD;1042694]"already being discussed in several threads"

I don't see any discussion about that. I thought nobody saw it since there was no discussion about it or thread mentioning it where I posted my thread. I see no response to you mentioning it what so ever. They do talk about Moss's contract however in detail.

What discussion because I want to see what folk think about it. Where is that discussion so I can read what everyone was discussing? You sure anyone saw that? No wonder I didn't know it was already posted. Certainly wouldn't want to repeat any discussion about that again. My apologies for the double post just the same.[/quote]

Sorry should have said this topic has been "mentioned" or briefly discussed in these threads.

Overall I didn't think it was a big deal myself. Griffin does need to be more careful with what he says as things get spun out of control really quick.

I thought Keims take was pretty good

But one part of his responsibility is accepting full blame. The Washington Post’s Sally Jenkins wrote on that topic. Yes, Griffin needs to learn this. I don’t know if it’s an unwillingness to do so, or a desire to give a full explanation of a play, which is what he did Sunday night. He talked about how no one was open; he talked about how a guy was coming straight at him. Both things were true. It just took a long time for him to say, “It was something I shouldn’t do.” To many, that phrase got lost in the shuffle -- that’s not necessarily Griffin’s problem, by the way. Sometimes it’s a matter of reading the entire quote. Still, it should have been the only thing he said about this play.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/58830/rg-iii-has-more-to-learn]Robert Griffin III has more to learn - ESPN[/url]

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Moss has been dropping alot of balls.

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Where's Pat White when you need him?

JK, the short answer is YES I think he can be. His QB numbers are similar to the QB's of the top 3 teams according to sports radio. The problem is the team is losing.

The long answer to me is there are probably a lot of stuff happening we just don't know about or hear about. Like RG3 is not 100%. He's still wearing a knee brace, obviously for protection and support, but slows him slows him down. The coaching staff probably has been in his ear telling him to not run as much, and everyone especially young people want to please their bosses. Now he's a little gun shy to run either cause of getting re-injured or yelled at by the coaching staff so he's more hesitant. He didn't get all the work in the offseason to get the timing down with the WR's and TE's.

Another issue is his supporting cast. The OL does not seem to be opening up the wholes they used to. The Eagles explained it away saying they stopped just trying to rush in and tackle and getting cut blocked, now they sit back and wait for the RB to try to run through a hole then they attack the hole. The WR's are not living up to their billing. Garcon might be but Morgan has not shined, Moss catches maybe one ball a game, Hankerson is now injured, Robinson has been 50/50 on the field. etc. etc.

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[quote=Mattyk;1042710]Sorry should have said this topic has been "mentioned" or briefly discussed in these threads.

Overall I didn't think it was a big deal myself. Griffin does need to be more careful with what he says as things get spun out of control really quick.

I thought Keims take was pretty good

But one part of his responsibility is accepting full blame. The Washington Post’s Sally Jenkins wrote on that topic. Yes, Griffin needs to learn this. I don’t know if it’s an unwillingness to do so, or a desire to give a full explanation of a play, which is what he did Sunday night. He talked about how no one was open; he talked about how a guy was coming straight at him. Both things were true. It just took a long time for him to say, “It was something I shouldn’t do.” To many, that phrase got lost in the shuffle -- that’s not necessarily Griffin’s problem, by the way. Sometimes it’s a matter of reading the entire quote. Still, it should have been the only thing he said about this play.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/58830/rg-iii-has-more-to-learn]Robert Griffin III has more to learn - ESPN[/url][/quote]


OK. A little discussion about it anyway.

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[quote=Gmanc711;1042696]@mikefreemanNFL13m
Had text chat with Washington player re RG3. Oh boy. Ohhhh boy.


CANT WAIT TO SEE WHAT NEW REPORT THIS BRINGS!!


Seriously, its bad enough this team sucks; all this drama is ridiculous and makes me really concerned for the future.[/quote]

its still a circus. sad

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[quote=punch it in;1042689]The Colts did not have Jamal Charles. The Colts did not have that defense. That is a case where the pieces were there. Im not saying that u can insert a great qb onto any team and make them winners. Im talking strictly about Lucks situation. Apples and oranges.
Edit: ill also say ....again.... That the chiefs are highly overrated. Look at who they have beat - its garbage. They will benefit from an extremely weak schedule and get into the playoffs - and get knocked out of the first round. Luck beat the broncos. Smith - with a better D and better run game - did not.[/quote]

Statistically yes, the Chiefs have a better defense.
If you watched the Colts vs Broncos game those two defenses were worlds apart. The Colts were killing Peyton Manning repeatedly. The Chiefs didn't even touch Manning once. The Chiefs defense played well, but the Colts defense held Manning to 13 points into the 4th quarter. I don't think you can use one game to compare the two because Luck has been terrible a time or two this season as well.

I think Andrew Luck is better than Alex Smith, I just do not buy into him being the sole reason that team went from 2-14 to a playoff team. That team was talented with players like Robert Mathis and Reggie Wayne (who is now out), but they needed a good coach and at least a decent QB. Plus the Indy organization is one of the best organizations in football, that isone of the most important factors when it comes to young QBs. Can you say the same about the Skins?

To me right now the "rankings" of young QBs

1) Russell Wilson
2) Andrew Luck
3) Cam Newton
4) RG3/Kaep

I obviously think this will change but I am just going off what I have seen thus far.

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We gonna lose our damn franchise new era QB. These same folks saying RG3 not the answer are the same idiots that were believing in freaking John Beck and the same dolts that keep saying cut Santana Moss. Put Grossman out there cause cousins is a Matt Schaub pick six machine with a weak ass arm.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1042711]Moss has been dropping alot of balls.[/quote]

Totally why he shouldn't be pointing fingers. If it was someone like Garcon, or Reed, guys who have mostly been sure-handed, then maybe you could give the statement some credibility.

But Moss, come on man, dude is only on the field 50% of the time anyway and then when he is, he's dropping 50% of balls thrown his way.

Pot, meet kettle.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1042717]We gonna lose our damn franchise new era QB. These same folks saying RG3 not the answer are the same idiots that were believing in freaking John Beck and the same dolts that keep saying [B]cut Santana Moss.[/B] Put Grossman out there cause cousins is a Matt Schaub pick six machine with a weak ass arm.[/quote]

It's never too late for...........


.... Jabar Gaffney. Don't call it a comeback.

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I believe the organization believes RG3 is the franchise qb.
But things need to get under control in that locker room.I said it weeks ago and I still believe it,I think RG3 can be a prima donna and his ego is out of control.So many reports coming out that he's lost the locker room,with Moss's comments and RG3's after the game,its not looking good.
I wish RG3 would have been benched at halftime and the next game too.Sometimes a qb needs to sit on the bench a while and observe and maybe he would get his ego in check.

And I dont believe that bs he said after the game,that he was trying to throw it out of the endzone.He was under pressure and threw it up for grabs and now he's trying to cover his ass.

Also he said after the game no one was open on the play and he didnt have time,which is a subtle shot at his line and receivers.I havent seen the video,but I heard that Helu was open on the play.
He needs to keep his mouth shut to the media and talk to the players to clear things up,thats what a leader would do.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1042717]We gonna lose our damn franchise new era QB. These same folks saying RG3 not the answer are the same idiots that were believing in freaking John Beck and the same dolts that keep saying cut Santana Moss. Put Grossman out there cause cousins is a Matt Schaub pick six machine with a weak ass arm.[/quote]

WOW. No don't like Beck. Grossman sucks. But I definitely would have started Cousins for the first 4 games or until after the bye. However the problem right now is not all his fault. I see timing issues, lack of field vision, less likely to run the ball, over throws, OL not blocking for him, WR's not catching the ball, WR's not getting open, etc. etc.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1042720]It's never too late for...........


.... Jabar Gaffney. Don't call it a comeback.[/quote]

Oh geez...please don't say his name two more times! He just might appear!

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[quote=htownskinfan;1042722]I believe the organization believes RG3 is the franchise qb.
But things need to get under control in that locker room.I said it weeks ago and I still believe it,I think RG3 can be a prima donna and his ego is out of control.So many reports coming out that he's lost the locker room,with Moss's comments and RG3's after the game,its not looking good.
I wish RG3 would have been benched at halftime and the next game too.Sometimes a qb needs to sit on the bench a while and observe and maybe he would get his ego in check.

And I dont believe that bs he said after the game,that he was trying to throw it out of the endzone.He was under pressure and threw it up for grabs and now he's trying to cover his ass.

Also he said after the game no one was open on the play and he didnt have time,which is a subtle shot at his line and receivers.I havent seen the video,but I heard that Helu was open on the play.
He needs to keep his mouth shut to the media and talk to the players to clear things up,thats what a leader would do.[/quote]

I believe he was throwing the ball away but when you back peddling and have to throw your not going to get the velocity on the ball he needed to make it through the endzone. True, sports announcers have said on just about every play one person is wide open and RG3 misses them. True on the last play Helu was wide open and would have gotten the first down. Also True RG3 could have probably ran for the first down himself. and lastly also True RG3 could have stepped UP into the pocket and the two DE's would have missed him buying him more time, instead he back peddled out of the secure pocket and into the DE's arms.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1042722]I believe the organization believes RG3 is the franchise qb.
But things need to get under control in that locker room.I said it weeks ago and I still believe it,I think RG3 can be a prima donna and his ego is out of control.So many reports coming out that he's lost the locker room,with Moss's comments and RG3's after the game,its not looking good.
I wish RG3 would have been benched at halftime and the next game too.Sometimes a qb needs to sit on the bench a while and observe and maybe he would get his ego in check.

And I dont believe that bs he said after the game,that he was trying to throw it out of the endzone.He was under pressure and threw it up for grabs and now he's trying to cover his ass.

Also he said after the game no one was open on the play and he didnt have time,which is a subtle shot at his line and receivers.I havent seen the video,but I heard that Helu was open on the play.
He needs to keep his mouth shut to the media and talk to the players to clear things up,thats what a leader would do.[/quote]


Yeah Shannahan can pull another MCNabb move. When he benches RG3 that will destroy RG3. McNabb and Haynesworth were right.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1042739]Yeah Shannahan can pull another MCNabb move. When he benches RG3 that will destroy RG3. McNabb and Haynesworth were right.[/quote]

I don't think Shannahan can/will do that. I think there is a big difference between RG3 and McNabb/Haynesworth.

I don't think Shannahan would win the RG3 vs Shannahan battle when it comes to Dan Snyder.

Who here thinks RG-3 was throwing the ball away? Just curious. For the record, I do not.

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It is hard to say initially I thought he wasn't.

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RG3 is a bitch, a me-and-I mother fcker. When he fails and falls no one will be there to catch him. I will be pissed if Mike Shanahan doesn't start playing Kirk Cousins, if for nothing else then to showcase him to potential trade partners.

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[quote=saden1;1042755][B]RG3 is a bitch[/B], a me-and-I mother fcker. When he fails and falls no one will be there to catch him. I will be pissed if Mike Shanahan doesn't start playing Kirk Cousins, if for nothing else then to showcase him to potential trade partners.[/quote]

lol tell us how you really feel.

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I am curious, for those who don't think RG3 is the franchise QB, do we spend the next few years waiting and hoping for the next franchise QB to come along in the draft or do people honestly think Cousins has the skill set to be a franchise QB? Personally I think Cousins is an Alex Smith or Matt Flynn game manager type QB. That generally doesn't get you to the promised land and I would rather spend time finding out if RG3 truly has what it takes than to spend time on someone who doesn't.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1042758]lol tell us how you really feel.[/quote]


was literally just about to post this

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1042758]lol tell us how you really feel.[/quote]

There are four kinds of people I loath... liars, hypocrites, egotists, and downright dummies.

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[quote=punch it in;1042749]Who here thinks RG-3 was throwing the ball away? Just curious. For the record, I do not.[/quote]I'm curious if he thought it was 4th down and just threw the ball up thinking it was his last chance.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1042775]I'm curious if he thought it was 4th down and just threw the ball up thinking it was his last chance.[/quote]

That's what it seemed like which is kind of crucial since he could've just taken the sack since we had another down to work with.

And also, he's not paying attention to what's going on around him. You gotta remember what down it is, bro. Gonna have to start doing the baseball system where they hand gesture to each other how many outs they currently have so players don't make boneheaded plays.

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It doesn't matter -- the mistake was RGIII's and his alone. If he thought it was 4th down and it was 3rd down and thus forced it, that's on him. If he just forced it even appreciating it was 3rd down, that is also on him. He says he was worried about taking a sack -- fair point, but then throw the ball away and make sure you get to 4th down. If it was a bad attempt at throwing it away, again, on him.

Having said all of this, RGIII was strong in the 4th quarter leading the team to two TDs and almost a third. That came after a pretty rotten 3 quarters beforehand. It is what we have seen this season -- some great stuff and some poor decisions and execution. But I think this is a reflection of coming back from injury, lack of talent around him, some bad coaching and playcalling, and -- yes -- some shaky play from RGIII too.

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[quote=saden1;1042765]There are four kinds of people I loath... liars, hypocrites, egotists, and downright dummies.[/quote]

Hell, that's nothing - I hate everybody!

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[quote=saden1;1042755]RG3 is a bitch, a me-and-I mother fcker. When he fails and falls no one will be there to catch him. I will be pissed if Mike Shanahan doesn't start playing Kirk Cousins, if for nothing else then to showcase him to potential trade partners.[/quote]

:doh:

didnt take double digits losses for these posts

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1042759]I am curious, for those who don't think RG3 is the franchise QB, do we spend the next few years waiting and hoping for the next franchise QB to come along in the draft or do people honestly think Cousins has the skill set to be a franchise QB? Personally I think Cousins is an Alex Smith or Matt Flynn game manager type QB. That generally doesn't get you to the promised land and I would rather spend time finding out if RG3 truly has what it takes than to spend time on someone who doesn't.[/quote]

I don't see how anyone can say if he is or he isn't. Too early to tell. I think the people who say he is a franchise QB are just going off of last year, when the read option was so effective. As we see now, defenses are playing it differently.

From what we've seen from Cousins, the ball does come out quicker and the coaches seemed to trust him more with a pro style offense. But he's struggled some too, although he was put in some tough situations

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1042791]I don't see how anyone can say if he is or he isn't. Too early to tell. I think the people who say he is a franchise QB are just going off of last year, when the read option was so effective. As we see now, defenses are playing it differently.

From what we've seen from Cousins, the ball does come out quicker and the coaches seemed to trust him more with a pro style offense. But he's struggled some too, although he was put in some tough situations[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Other than myself you are the only other person who does not seem to have a crystal ball and a definitive answer about Griffs future.

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No, but I hope I'm wrong.

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[quote=punch it in;1042749]Who here thinks RG-3 was throwing the ball away? Just curious. For the record, I do not.[/quote]

No way in hell was he throwing it away. Terrible pass, from the back peddle, to the pass itself.... own up to it RG3.

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[quote=saden1;1042755]RG3 is a bitch, a me-and-I mother fcker. When he fails and falls no one will be there to catch him. I will be pissed if Mike Shanahan doesn't start playing Kirk Cousins, if for nothing else then to showcase him to potential trade partners.[/quote]

Jesus... We're at this point already? The short sighted, 'what have you done for me lately' attitude that this fan base has developed over the last 15 odd years is apparently here to stay.

And 'showcasing' Cousins at this point would do nothing except lower his perceived value.