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My top choices for pick #34 would be either DE Stephon Tuitt, S Calvin Pryor, or WR Allen Robinson. If all of them were available it would be a tough decision but i would probably go with Allen Robinson. I think he could really help out the passing game. Robinson reminds me of garcon a lot by the way he runs after the catch.

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[quote=Bucket;1059665][url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737228/christian-jones]Christian Jones, ILB, Florida State, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

Christian Jones Please...[/quote]

I would be absolutely thrilled if we picked him up with our third rounder. He could be the TE covering LB we've been lacking for a while now.

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[quote=The Dull Roar;1059671]My top choices for pick #34 would be either DE Stephon Tuitt, S Calvin Pryor, or WR Allen Robinson. If all of them were available it would be a tough decision but i would probably go with Allen Robinson. I think he could really help out the passing game. Robinson reminds me of garcon a lot by the way he runs after the catch.[/quote]

Good choices. We also possibly could tab arguably the best guard in the draft, David Yankey.

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[quote=Lotus;1059676]Good choices. We also possibly could tab arguably the best guard in the draft, David Yankey.[/quote]

Not that it would be a bad thing, but do we think we would move up to the first round for a Guard, Right Tackle or Safety?

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[quote=The Dull Roar;1059671]My top choices for pick #34 would be either DE Stephon Tuitt, S Calvin Pryor, or WR Allen Robinson. If all of them were available it would be a tough decision but i would probably go with Allen Robinson. I think he could really help out the passing game. Robinson reminds me of garcon a lot by the way he runs after the catch.[/quote]

If we go WR, Robinson would be a solid selection. Odell Beckham would be my first WR pick, but he'll probably go late in the 1st. If he's not available, I'd take Davante Adams from Fresno State. His numbers are phenomenal, although they were somewhat inflated by the Bulldogs' system. Brandon Cooks and Jordan Matthews are two others that might be good choices.

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfnYcEOHqCk]2013 Brandin Cooks highlights - YouTube[/url]

Watching film on Brandin Cooks like what I've seen so far catches with his hands no basket catches.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1059863][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfnYcEOHqCk]2013 Brandin Cooks highlights - YouTube[/url]

Watching film on Brandin Cooks like what I've seen so far catches with his hands no basket catches.[/quote]

I have to agree with you, he's starting to grow on me. As badly as we need O-Line and Secondary help adding a big receiver who could step in and start opposite of Garcon week 1 could do wonders for our offense.

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[quote=Chico23231;1059647]My guess would be if CJ Mosely or Justin Gilbert fell. I guess the shocker pick would be for TE Eric Ebron.[/quote]

CJ Mosely would make this defense a number one defense. We could then go secondary and d-line in free agency. Bring back Rak, Tapp , and Jackson. Don't forget Kerrigan and Jenkins.

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Also, the piece that could fit the Redskins defensive puzzle together happens to be a playmaking DT. Thought Jenkins would do it. Anyway those ex Giants don't ever turn out good for Washington.

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Our 2nd round pick and Kirk Cousins to move up and take CJ Mosley. What do you think?

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The depth of this draft is why its almost always a bad idea to trade three first round picks for any one player. Griffin is the best player on this roster, but even acknowledging that, he's probably not better than what will be available at no. 2 (Clowney/Bridgewater/et al). And the Redskins are now down a pick in a potentially franchise changing draft.

RG3 is going to develop and no one is going to regret the trade that was made for him, but that deal is a reminder that you can't build a strong franchise on the backs of bad ideas.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1059883]The depth of this draft is why its almost always a bad idea to trade three first round picks for any one player. Griffin is the best player on this roster, but even acknowledging that, he's probably not better than what will be available at no. 2 (Clowney/Bridgewater/et al). And the Redskins are now down a pick in a potentially franchise changing draft.

RG3 is going to develop and no one is going to regret the trade that was made for him, but that deal is a reminder that you can't build a strong franchise on the backs of bad ideas.[/quote]

If Griffin was in this draft, he would go #1 hands down.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1059889]If Griffin was in this draft, he would go #1 hands down.[/quote]I don't think so. The people that love Manziel in this draft would love him a lot more than Griffin. Others would prefer Bridgewater.

I don't really even think Luck would be a slam dunk 1st overall guy in this draft. Manziel might go ahead of him, too.

Manziel is the closest thing to Brett Favre that the draft has produced in 10 years, and he's not even my top quarterback in this one.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1059890]...and he's not even my top quarterback in this one.[/quote]

And who might that be?

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Bridgewater is the best quarterback coming out since...I dunno, Peyton maybe. Highest grade I've ever put on a quarterback.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1059895]Bridgewater is the best quarterback coming out since...I dunno, Peyton maybe. Highest grade I've ever put on a quarterback.[/quote]

I like Teddy B a lot and if I were Houston I would take him. That said, let's not get carried away with Teddy B praise.

IMO Quake is right when he says that Bobby Gryphon easily would be the first pick in this draft.

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I think Bridgewater would still go #1 overall even with our QB in the draft. Bridgewater is so much more NFL ready than RG3 was. His ceiling isn't nearly as as high as RG3's though, in my opinion.

Anyone remember this stat? Through the first 3 games of the 2011 season, RG3 was [B]70-82[/B], 962 yards, [B]13[/B] TDs, 0 INTs. Yep, that's our QB.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1059890]I don't think so. The people that love Manziel in this draft would love him a lot more than Griffin. Others would prefer Bridgewater.

I don't really even think Luck would be a slam dunk 1st overall guy in this draft. Manziel might go ahead of him, too.

[B]Manziel is the closest thing to Brett Favre that the draft has produced in 10 years, and he's not even my top quarterback in this one[/B].[/quote]

Manziel better land in a good spot or he's gonna be a major bust. Bridgewater should excell any place he goes.

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2014/2/19/5425782/mike-mayock-predicts-wide-receiver-in-second-round-for-redskins]Mike Mayock Predicts Wide Receiver in Second Round for Redskins - Hogs Haven[/url]

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1059957][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2014/2/19/5425782/mike-mayock-predicts-wide-receiver-in-second-round-for-redskins]Mike Mayock Predicts Wide Receiver in Second Round for Redskins - Hogs Haven[/url][/quote]

Good stuff Quake. Thanks.

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[quote=Lotus;1059880]Our 2nd round pick and Kirk Cousins to move up and take CJ Mosley. What do you think?[/quote]


No.

Losing our 2nd rounder AND our better-than-average (or at least competent and cheap) backup QB to draft a player in a position that's not in the worst shape...no thanks.

Now if we lose Orakpo before the draft...maybe.

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[quote=Lotus;1059880]Our 2nd round pick and Kirk Cousins to move up and take CJ Mosley. What do you think?[/quote]

Throw in a 4/5th round with the move up, then yes

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We might have a pretty bitchin' LB unit with Rak, Kerrigan, Riley, and Mosley.

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[quote=Lotus;1059976]We might have a pretty bitchin' LB unit with Rak, Kerrigan, Riley, and Mosley.[/quote]


They would be pretty young too.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1059883]The depth of this draft is why its almost always a bad idea to trade three first round picks for any one player. Griffin is the best player on this roster, but even acknowledging that, he's probably not better than what will be available at no. 2 (Clowney/Bridgewater/et al). And the Redskins are now down a pick in a potentially franchise changing draft.

RG3 is going to develop and no one is going to regret the trade that was made for him, but that deal is a reminder that you can't build a strong franchise on the backs of bad ideas.[/quote]

You just can't let the RGIII trade go, can you? What was your plan to get us a Franchise QB two years ago? Wait until we have a 3-10 season and then draft Bridgewater? Somehow, I doubt that.

This is a "a potentially franchise changing draft", you say? First, that remains to be seen. Second, so what? I think we had a franchise changing draft two years ago when we got RGIII.

If, as you say, RGIII is going to develop and no one will regret the trade the Skins made for him, then how could the trade that landed RGIII have been a bad idea?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1060002]You just can't let the RGIII trade go, can you? What was your plan to get us a Franchise QB two years ago? Wait until we have a 3-10 season and then draft Bridgewater? Somehow, I doubt that.

This is a "a potentially franchise changing draft", you say? First, that remains to be seen. Second, so what? I think we had a franchise changing draft two years ago when we got RGIII.

If, as you say, RGIII is going to develop and no one will regret the trade the Skins made for him, then how could the trade that landed RGIII have been a bad idea?[/quote]Trading three top 40 picks to move up four spots is pretty brutal, no? It's a pretty extreme example of betting on oneself: i.e. we will be so good after/because of this trade that we won't feel the cost of doing business (i.e. the loss of picks). It's the same gamble that Seattle made in acquiring Percy Harvin --> we're giving up a ton of value but this player improves us too much to pass on. It's not a great idea, but if your organization can cash the check, it can work out for you.

Seattle is super bowl champs. We're 3-13. Guess who won their gamble? Guess who is (not) picking second in the draft?

You can't build a franchise on bad decisions. Doesn't mean you can't ever make aggressive moves. As Seattle proves, you can. Problem is, if you don't know what you are doing, you get exposed pretty quickly. The Skins didn't really know what they were doing. They got exposed. We can all move on now.

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[quote=Lotus;1059906]I like Teddy B a lot and if I were Houston I would take him. That said, let's not get carried away with Teddy B praise.

IMO Quake is right when he says that Bobby Gryphon easily would be the first pick in this draft.[/quote]Griffin is undervalued across the league right now because of Shanahan stench, but he was overvalued on draft day. In another draft cycle, I don't think people would have been as optimistic about him as they were. He's a first round quarterback in any draft the last 20 years, but the teflon nature of his draft stock was unique to his Heisman campaign. If he comes out a year before or a year later, he gets graded more critically.

Two years ago, negative things said about him rolled right off of him. This town has changed the narrative. Negativity sticks to him now.

Unfortunately for the Redskins, the only choices they had was to pay the additional price for the overvalued stock, or to not get the player. There wasn't a middle ground.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1059889]If Griffin was in this draft, he would go #1 hands down.[/quote]

Depends on the offense. If a team wanted to run our 2012 offense then RG3 is your guy. A pro offense? Bridgewater hands down.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;1060018][B]Trading three top 40 picks to move up four spots is pretty brutal, no? It's a pretty extreme example of betting on oneself: [/B]i.e. we will be so good after/because of this trade that we won't feel the cost of doing business (i.e. the loss of picks). It's the same gamble that Seattle made in acquiring Percy Harvin --> we're giving up a ton of value but this player improves us too much to pass on. It's not a great idea, but if your organization can cash the check, it can work out for you.

Seattle is super bowl champs. We're 3-13. Guess who won their gamble? Guess who is (not) picking second in the draft?

You can't build a franchise on bad decisions. Doesn't mean you can't ever make aggressive moves. As Seattle proves, you can. Problem is, if you don't know what you are doing, you get exposed pretty quickly. The Skins didn't really know what they were doing. They got exposed. We can all move on now.[/QUOTE

It was a total act of pure desperation. It wasn't a good trade then and certainly not now. But what's done is done. This is a huge year for RG3. Let's hope Gruden coaches him up, the FO gets him some help and hopefully he bounces back strong.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1060018]Trading three top 40 picks to move up four spots is pretty brutal, no? It's a pretty extreme example of betting on oneself: i.e. we will be so good after/because of this trade that we won't feel the cost of doing business (i.e. the loss of picks). It's the same gamble that Seattle made in acquiring Percy Harvin --> we're giving up a ton of value but this player improves us too much to pass on. It's not a great idea, but if your organization can cash the check, it can work out for you.

Seattle is super bowl champs. We're 3-13. Guess who won their gamble? Guess who is (not) picking second in the draft?

You can't build a franchise on bad decisions. Doesn't mean you can't ever make aggressive moves. As Seattle proves, you can. Problem is, if you don't know what you are doing, you get exposed pretty quickly. The Skins didn't really know what they were doing. They got exposed. We can all move on now.[/quote]

I honestly don't understand what you are trying to say. You're talking in circles.

Just answer this: If RGIII develops into the the type of QB that doesn't cause anyone to regret the trade for him, then what is the problem?

If RGIII becomes a Top 5 NFL QB, then he'll be worth all of those picks because Franchise QB's don't grow on trees.

Plan A: Trade up to get RGIII.

Plan B: Hope to get lucky and find a Top 5 QB somewhere, somehow, some way, sometime in the future.

I'll take Plan A and never look back.

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[url=http://sonofwashington.com/redskins-look-for-diamonds-in-the-combine/]Redskins Look for Diamonds in the Combine - Son of Washington[/url]

Nice read.

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I don't know how Manziel is going to act once he's drafted and starts getting paid. All I know is he was dominant against some of the best defenses in college ball.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1060018]Trading three top 40 picks to move up four spots is pretty brutal, no? It's a pretty extreme example of betting on oneself: i.e. we will be so good after/because of this trade that we won't feel the cost of doing business (i.e. the loss of picks). It's the same gamble that Seattle made in acquiring Percy Harvin --> we're giving up a ton of value but this player improves us too much to pass on. It's not a great idea, but if your organization can cash the check, it can work out for you.

Seattle is super bowl champs. We're 3-13. Guess who won their gamble? Guess who is (not) picking second in the draft?

You can't build a franchise on bad decisions. Doesn't mean you can't ever make aggressive moves. As Seattle proves, you can. Problem is, if you don't know what you are doing, you get exposed pretty quickly. The Skins didn't really know what they were doing. They got exposed. We can all move on now.[/quote]

Still a long way to go to see if the trade was worth it.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1060153]I don't know how Manziel is going to act once he's drafted and starts getting paid. All I know is he was dominant against some of the best defenses in college ball.[/quote]

Manziel is just like RG3 he is going to have to learn to not take big hits and not always take off when plays break down.

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[quote=redskins5044;1060174]Manziel is just like RG3 he is going to have to learn to not take big hits and not always take off when plays break down.[/quote]

really?? stay in the pocket like Big Ben and lose a rib?

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[quote=Mattyk;1060165]Still a long way to go to see if the trade was worth it.[/quote]

blast for me!!!!!

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Manziel does come from money so I don't think that should be a problem for him.

Now the fame and all the rest will be bigger. That is what may or may not be a problem for him.

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This draft class is not very good. Combine disappointing.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1060231][B]This draft class is not very good. [/B]Combine disappointing.[/quote]

This draft class is one of the deepest in years.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1060231]This draft class is not very good. Combine disappointing.[/quote]

Its not even halfway over.
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