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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1049561]Flynn is a great example because he had one helluva game and cashed it into a monster paycheck.[/quote]

Packers need to go ahead and sign Flynn as the official back up to Rodgers. Obviously the system and coaches make it a good fit for both.

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I have not been completely impressed with Orakpo, but we all need to keep in mind that the one year he was with Haynesworth under Blache, he was elected to the Pro Bowl. If I remember right he had 10+ sacks.
The defense as a whole has been pretty terrible the last 4 years. I do believe the is alot of talent there.....

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[quote=Lotus;1049555][B]Rak has not been the elite player that we hoped to get.[/B]

That said, he certainly is "good enough" and guys like him don't grow on trees. So I hope that we lock him up with a reasonable (not huge) contract.[/quote]

No he's not elite (not many guys are) but he's been good and at times very good. LBs that can get you 10+ sacks don't grow on trees as you say.

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Rak has been a very good player for us. Outside of the injuries. For the 13th(?) pick in the draft we got pretty good return. I'd take a player of Rak's relative capabilities everywhere on the team.

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I think here's the thing to remember. Other teams are probably going to offer Brian Orakpo a comparable contract to one the 'skins will offer him. I don't know if you're going to find a team that's willing to offer him an elite contract. And if so, more power to Brian. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic (or maybe in the case of Rak, pessimistic) but I think it will come down to simply Rak wanting to stay a Redskin or wanting a change in scenery. I don't think he's done enough to command a huge contract, but I could be wrong.

With that said, I do hope he's retained, because both him and Kerrigan are solid guys to build a defense around.

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[quote=skinsguy;1049600] I don't know if you're going to find a team that's willing to offer him an elite contract..[/quote]


Teams do stupid shit. Cleveland offered Paul Kruger a stupid contract.

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Shanahan has a long history of making the wrong decision with the cornerstone defensive player, so the key issue is getting the right guy in here who will make the best decision for the longterm health of the franchise.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1049620]Teams do stupid shit. Cleveland offered Paul Kruger a stupid contract.[/quote]

Hopefully the days of the skins giving out overpaid contracts are behind them.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1049345]Who would have thought Atlanta, Washington, and Houston would be scraping the bottom of the NFL barrel this year?[/quote]I had Houston playing for the Super Bowl and Washington winning the division before the season. I thought Atlanta was a last place team, although I thought more like 6 or 7 win last place than 4 or 5.

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Cousins performance was similar to the performance of RG3 vs Minnesota. Amazing first half and then the second half happened. Except cousins threw picks.

It's not a coincidence that Washingtons offense played well against two of the worst defenses in the NFL.

I think a good game to judge cousins will be the giants game. Sadly enough they are the best D cousins will face.

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[quote=Paintrain;1049538]If there's a new HC, as is expected, there really isn't any upside to keeping Cousins.

If KC plays well over the next 2 games, his trade value will never be higher. All it takes is one GM or coach to fall in love with him for us to get a mid 2nd and maybe even a conditional 2015 pick for him. I don't think he'll ever get to a 1st round value because of some of his decision making/risk taking. Wherever Kyle ends up immediately becomes the top option for Cousins.

Not to mention if he plays well, the 'noise' surrounding the team and the QB position would be overwhelming considering everything else going on. Best situation for the organization is a quiet, focused offseason at that position, sign a vet that fits the system and draft a rookie in the 5th or so to develop as the long term backup.[/quote]

Plus you don't want him to do really well and then create a QB controversy with Griffin. these guys have big ego's and that would set his growthback. If you truly blieve Griffin is the future you don't want another potential starter sitting back there that has proven himself in real games. Sure an unproven commodity is fine but unless the Starter is well established you can't have soem one with starter potential sitting behind them. he will always be looking over his shoulder and I think that would dramtically set III back.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1049620]Teams do stupid shit. Cleveland offered Paul Kruger a stupid contract.[/quote]

This is true.

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[quote=Mattyk;1049581]No he's not elite (not many guys are) but he's been good and at times very good. LBs that can get you 10+ sacks don't grow on trees as you say.[/quote]

I think it's time to let Rak go. Kruger got 8-9 million? That probably means Rak can get a little more on the open market. We've seen him now for several years and he's not worth that kind of money. The defense last year played better w/out him. I'd save the money and gamble with Jenkins, Tapp and Jackson.

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[quote=Mattyk;1049581]No he's not elite (not many guys are) but he's been good and at times very good. LBs that can get you 10+ sacks don't grow on trees as you say.[/quote]
He May not be elite...but he sure as hell has not played for an elite coaching staff! I would really like to see a killer DC evaluate our guys for better, more efficient/inventive use before we kick 10 sacks p/yr to the curb

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[quote=skinsfan69;1049643]I think it's time to let Rak go. Kruger got 8-9 million? That probably means Rak can get a little more on the open market. We've seen him now for several years and he's not worth that kind of money. The defense last year played better w/out him. I'd save the money and gamble with Jenkins, Tapp and Jackson.[/quote]


I wouldn't. We have the bookends to build our defense around with Rak and Kerrigan and if Rak commands 5 yrs 40-45 million then give it to him. Like everyone has said he is NOT elite but you don't find guys like him just sitting on the street waiting to be picked up.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1049643]I think it's time to let Rak go. Kruger got 8-9 million? That probably means Rak can get a little more on the open market. We've seen him now for several years and he's not worth that kind of money. The defense last year played better w/out him. I'd save the money and gamble with Jenkins, Tapp and Jackson.[/quote]

Your point is well taken. The caveat with Orakpo is, of course, how much is it going to cost in cap space to keep him? I'd like to keep him but I think there needs to be a price at which we drop out in order to be able to improve the overall team.

That's because we have a number of positions to fill. We can improve significantly if we can just man those positions with capable - not necessarily outstanding - players. We really need to get bang for the buck in the free agency market this time around.

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[quote=Chico23231;1049549]Teams are desperate for a QB, look around the league and when you see Case Kenum, Cassel, Flynn (started for multiple teams), the kid from duke started for the Bills, Freeman, the performance of Geno Smith, etc. Teams are giving anybody a chance to come under center and lead a team. I think a 2nd round pick isnt a crazy risk for any team who believes Cousins can lead a team.[/quote]

I think we are going to end up getting a second and a fifth, hopefully a fourth for Cousins.

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QUOTE=skinsfan69;1049643]I think it's time to let Rak go. Kruger got 8-9 million? That probably means Rak can get a little more on the open market. We've seen him now for several years and he's not worth that kind of money. The defense last year played better w/out him. I'd save the money and gamble with Jenkins, Tapp and Jackson.[/QUOTE]

I dunno. Im torn. Orakpo was that blessing that fell to us in the draft, I remember how lucky I felt when he dropped to us that day. But he WILL command more than 9 mil a year. Possibly 9.5 or 10 a year. If it stays at 10 or below, he has the work ethic and is really growing as a pass rusher, I say get him. Having legit threats at both ends is a value that cannot be understated. At least not in todays NFL. I just really think this team would function so much better with Orakpos and Kerrigans hand in the dirt on every play. I would love to switch back to 43 next year. That might be wishing on a prayer though, but I believe it could be done, and it might just take some pressure off of our shit secondary.

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The thing I don't like is the broadcast team from last week seemed to suggest Rak was looking forward to testing the open market. And I know that FA always tends to overvalue pass rashers, even if they are just semi-decent ones like Rak. I'd like to have him back at the right price, but I'm concerned he's gonna bolt once he gets a huge contract offer. We could do a lot worse than Rak. Anyone remember '08 Phillip Daniels? Good guy but non-existent as a pass rushing DE.

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I see what you are saying moob, but i'd be hardpressed, now this is just me, to rate orakpo as a semi decent pass rusher. He is definite top 10 with all the talent to be top 5. I hope he is not the type to phone it in after getting 48 mill over 5 or 6 years, and I don't think he would. The guy is a team first guy, and has a great work ethic from every report I've ever read.

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Just recently he said he wants to stay here.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/12/04/brian-orakpo-says-his-preference-remains-to-re-sign-with-redskins/]Brian Orakpo says his preference remains to re-sign with Redskins[/url]

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1049687]Just recently he said he wants to stay here.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/12/04/brian-orakpo-says-his-preference-remains-to-re-sign-with-redskins/]Brian Orakpo says his preference remains to re-sign with Redskins[/url][/QUOTE]

I'd say he's worth about 4 more.years around for 20M something along those lines

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[quote=Mechanix544;1049684]I see what you are saying moob, but i'd be hardpressed, now this is just me, to rate orakpo as a semi decent pass rusher. He is definite top 10 with all the talent to be top 5. I hope he is not the type to phone it in after getting 48 mill over 5 or 6 years, and I don't think he would. The guy is a team first guy, and has a great work ethic from every report I've ever read.[/quote]

I mean I don't want to say he's elite, but he's not average either. I'll settle for above-average. I just don't want to commit a huge chunk of cap to him, that's all. Kerrigan will be due eventually and we all know if RG3 rebounds from this year he will get a huge deal in a year or two. You can't be putting most of your money into a small group of players. You think the Ravens want to be paying Flacco elite money now? I like Orakpo, I want him to be here for a long time, I just don't want to be paying him huge money. An above-average deal for an above-average player sounds good to me.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1049643]I think it's time to let Rak go. Kruger got 8-9 million? That probably means Rak can get a little more on the open market. We've seen him now for several years and he's not worth that kind of money. The defense last year played better w/out him. I'd save the money and gamble with Jenkins, Tapp and Jackson.[/quote]

I think you have to take a look at value there. Kruger is quite exceptional against mediocore o-lione talent while Rak has shown the ability to play that level against better D. An additional 1.5 could be worth it. I do agree that the D played well last year with out him and it will depend on what next years coaching staff decides to run.

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Michael Johnson, Anthony Spencer and Julius Peppers each get around 11.5 - 12.5 per year. Tamba Hali makes 11.8.

Is there any universe that Brian Orakpo isn't worth 7.5 or 8 mil per year for us?

I think that he might walk if someone offers 10 mil per or above. Unless he is serious about staying a skin, and we up our offer to around 9 or so, I see him going elsewhere. I would cap it at 9 per year though. Backloaded too, in case of that nagging pec acts back up.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1049695]I'd say he's worth about 4 more.years around for 20M something along those lines[/quote]

I'd say more along the lines of 5 yrs $40M.

$5M a year isn't going to cut it here or anywhere.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1049709]I'd say more along the lines of 5 yrs $40M.

$5M a year isn't going to cut it here or anywhere.[/QUOTE]

I just don't know if he's worth a ton yet

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Assuming a new coaching staff, if they wanted to go to a 4-3, would they still want to resign Rakpo? I just think of him more as a pass rushing LB and not a coverage guy.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1049712]I just don't know if he's worth a ton yet[/quote]

What else do you want to see? He's good for about 10 sacks a year, he's playing his best ball this year, he's been to 2 Pro Bowls and could make it again this year. Time to pay the man.

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Also keep in mind his rookie deal was 5 yrs $20M. So he's certainly not going to sign the same deal again now that he's a proven player.

Yeah that is true , fine matty u made me break the bank! 4 years 35M is that better? 15M signing bonus

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Good lord clay is over paid smh