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[quote=diehardskin2982;1057540]The problem is the Redskins are not patient with young players.

We draft players to let them go. we have focused on the next free agent that we brought in instead of development and depth.[/quote]Well, out of the 2008-2009 players we let go, I think only Rinehart and Tryon provided any decent depth to other teams, even then only briefly (Tryon 1 yr Colts 1 yr Giants), Rinehart Chargers 2013). Devin Thomas made a couple good ST plays for the Giants 1 yr. AFAIK, that's it.

So I don't think those players we let go have shown much use for development or quality depth (like Jackson). Out of those two drafts, while most of the players provided depth while they were briefly here (like Horton), Jackson (2008) and Orakpo (2009) are the only non-bust picks there, that I see.

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... and orakpo was a no-brainer if he fell to us, which he did.

im interested to see what these guys can do. hopefully they can cont to add long term pieces to the decent young core we have now.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

[quote=Lotus;1057551]This.

Belichick wins every year with no-names because he develops talent. We need to follow suit.[/quote]

Belichick wins every year because he has Tom Brady.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1057613]Belichick wins every year because he has Tom Brady.[/quote]

I could use Brady as an example of my point: low-round talent that Belichick has developed. But IMO even if we set that argument aside, the Pats win because of more than just Brady. Belichick just seems to get the most out of his roster top to bottom, including on defense.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1057246]Sounds like the guy has a serious problem with weed, probably should seek some help.[/QUOTE]


I dont think its the most serious problem in the world - alcohol, or hard drugs would be worse. But man to dedicate your life to your craft and make it all the way to the nfl just to throw it away for a friggin weed high ? Wow. Real head scratcher. Must be some really good shit. I just dont understand why u cant wait till u retire. Whats the avg career span? He would probably still be in his 30's at the end. Make your millions and than u can move to jamaica or amsterdam or hell even colorado.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

[quote=punch it in;1057625]I dont think its the most serious problem in the world - alcohol, or hard drugs would be worse. But man to dedicate your life to your craft and make it all the way to the nfl just to throw it away for a friggin weed high ? Wow. Real head scratcher. Must be some really good shit. [B]I just dont understand why u cant wait till u retire. [/B]Whats the avg career span? He would probably still be in his 30's at the end. Make your millions and than u can move to jamaica or amsterdam or hell even colorado.[/quote]

Some NFL folks use weed for its pain- and stress-reducing properties, so they wouldn't want to wait until they retire.

At least at first it is not random testing, there's a defined window of time during which testing happens. So what I don't understand is why he couldn't chill for a few weeks until the testers had finished their job. That's what many NFLers do.

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[quote=Lotus;1057630][B]Some NFL folks use weed for its pain- and stress-reducing properties[/B], so they wouldn't want to wait until they retire.

At least at first it is not random testing, there's a defined window of time during which testing happens. So what I don't understand is why he couldn't chill for a few weeks until the testers had finished their job. That's what many NFLers do.[/quote]
..........Soooo true
I have found it to be quite beneficial when watching the B & G this season.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

[quote=Lotus;1057630]Some NFL folks use weed for its pain- and stress-reducing properties, so they wouldn't want to wait until they retire.

At least at first it is not random testing, there's a defined window of time during which testing happens. [B]So what I don't understand is why he couldn't chill for a few weeks until the testers had finished their job.[/B] That's what many NFLers do.[/quote]

Fred was already in the NFL drug program, which means he was subject to random testing throughout the year.

If you aren't in the program, there is a window in April May I think where you know you are subject to being tested.

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[quote=Hog1;1057631]..........Soooo true
I have found it to be quite beneficial when watching the B & G this season.[/quote]



:laughing2

:joecool:
:Smoker:

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1057632]Fred was already in the NFL drug program, which means he was subject to random testing throughout the year.

[B]If you aren't in the program, there is a window in April May I think where you know you are subject to being tested.[/B][/quote]

That's what I meant by "at first." Yeah, once you are in the program things get tougher.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

This thread makes me want to eat Fruit Loops right out of the box.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1057632]Fred was already in the NFL drug program, which means he was subject to random testing throughout the year.

If you aren't in the program, there is a window in April May I think where you know you are subject to being tested.[/quote]


Didn't FD and TW both get busted during the lockout? I don't even think the first positive test should have applied since they were "unemployed" at the time. Still he is an idiot! My friends used to sell large amounts to the Skins secondary (some of whom are in the superbowl this weekend) and I could never understand it. Why smoke when you are in a speed/skill position, especially since the career window is so small?

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[quote=Stacks42;1057691]Didn't FD and TW both get busted during the lockout? I don't even think the first positive test should have applied since they were "unemployed" at the time. Still he is an idiot! My friends used to sell large amounts to the Skins secondary (some of whom are in the superbowl this weekend) and I could never understand it. Why smoke when you are in a speed/skill position, especially since the career window is so small?[/quote]

The salary cap "violations" were also during an uncapped year. This doesn't matter to the league, especially when the Redskins are involved.


[quote=Lotus;1057630]Some NFL folks use weed for its pain- and stress-reducing properties, so they wouldn't want to wait until they retire.

At least at first it is not random testing, there's a defined window of time during which testing happens. So what I don't understand is why he couldn't chill for a few weeks until the testers had finished their job. That's what many NFLers do.[/quote]

They can afford doctors and legitimate pain remedies that won't give them lung cancer on top of the legal issues.

That's no excuse.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

i thought sleepy and silverback got punished bc they both tested positive after the NFL gave players a grace period to stop smoking and clear out their piss.

they were 2 of only 3 in the league that couldnt stop smoking weed after the CBA was signed.

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Weed causes Lung Cancer? Since when? I don't remember that being on the box.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1057693]The salary cap "violations" were also during an uncapped year. This doesn't matter to the league, especially when the Redskins are involved.




They can afford doctors and legitimate pain remedies that won't give them lung cancer on top of the legal issues.

That's no excuse.[/quote]

Marijuana is a "legitimate" pain killer, as cultures across the globe have known for centuries.

If you smoke it through a water pipe or vaporizer, the harmful compounds which can lead to lung cancer are filtered out.

And the prescription meds which you tout often have bad side-effects or are physically addictive, unlike marijuana.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

Better to smoke some weed vs getting hooked on Rx pain killers.

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[quote=Lotus;1057709]Marijuana is a "legitimate" pain killer, as cultures across the globe have known for centuries.

If you smoke it through a water pipe or vaporizer, the harmful compounds which can lead to lung cancer are filtered out.

And the prescription meds which you tout often have bad side-effects or are physically addictive, unlike marijuana.[/quote]

And Pain Killers, do just that, kill, unlike tweeds.

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So now weed isn't addictive? Then why can't some players stop smoking it the 3-5 years they're likely to be in the league? Especially after they've been caught once?

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[quote=HailGreen28;1057717]So now weed isn't addictive? Then why can't some players stop smoking it the 3-5 years they're likely to be in the league? Especially after they've been caught once?[/quote]

No, it's really not. Not physically at least. And nowhere nearly as addictive as other substances out there.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1057717]So now weed isn't addictive? Then why can't some players stop smoking it the 3-5 years they're likely to be in the league? Especially after they've been caught once?[/quote]

Some studies have indicated that weed may be psychologically addictive. But it has no properties which make it physically addictive.

Compare this to alcohol, which is both psychologically and physically addictive, as are a number of synthetic pain relievers.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

Ive known someone to have to seek help for marijuana addiction. Ive known someone to seek help for video game addiction. Ive know several people to seek help for alcohol addiction. It should be dealt with as a health issue, not criminal.

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[quote=Lotus;1057721]Some studies have indicated that weed may be psychologically addictive. But it has no properties which make it physically addictive.

Compare this to alcohol, which is both psychologically and physically addictive, as are a number of synthetic pain relievers.[/quote]

That is 100% correct. Tobacco and Alcohol have gotten away with murder. Their political lobby is very powerful.
All while some loud mouthed misinformed primates treat weed like it is incredibly dangerous.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that more than [B]37,000 annual U.S. deaths[/B] are directly attributed to alcohol use alone (i.e. [B]this figure does not include accidental deaths[/B]). On the other hand, the CDC does not even have a category for deaths caused by the use of marijuana.
Alcohol use is associated with a wide variety of cancers, including cancers of the esophagus, stomach, colon, lungs, pancreas, liver and prostate. Marijuana use has not been conclusively associated with any form of cancer. In fact, one study [url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/08/25/us-smoking-pot-idUSTRE57O5DC20090825]Could smoking pot cut risk of head, neck cancer? | Reuters[/url]
recently contradicted the long-time government claim that marijuana use is associated with head and neck cancers. It found that marijuana use actually reduced the likelihood of head and neck cancers. If you are concerned about marijuana being associated with lung cancer, you may be interested in the results of the largest case-controlled study ever conducted to investigate the respiratory effects of marijuana smoking and cigarette smoking.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

I certainly think by the next CBA, weed will not be a substance abuse that leads to lack of playing time. It's a shame that FDavis will lose a lot because he couldn't live within the current CBA rules.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1057708]Weed causes Lung Cancer? Since when? I don't remember that being on the box.[/quote]

If anyone's a casual user, they're probably safe.

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/marijuana-lung-cancer_n_3474960.html]Marijuana Not Linked To Lung Cancer When Use Is Light Or Moderate, Unknown With Heavy Use[/url]

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[quote=Defensewins;1057730]That is 100% correct. Tobacco and Alcohol have gotten away with murder. Their political lobby is very powerful.
[B][I]All while some loud mouthed misinformed primates treat weed like it is incredibly dangerous.[/I][/B]
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that more than [B]37,000 annual U.S. deaths[/B] are directly attributed to alcohol use alone (i.e. [B]this figure does not include accidental deaths[/B]). On the other hand, the CDC does not even have a category for deaths caused by the use of marijuana.
Alcohol use is associated with a wide variety of cancers, including cancers of the esophagus, stomach, colon, lungs, pancreas, liver and prostate. Marijuana use has not been conclusively associated with any form of cancer. In fact, one study [url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/08/25/us-smoking-pot-idUSTRE57O5DC20090825]Could smoking pot cut risk of head, neck cancer? | Reuters[/url]
recently contradicted the long-time government claim that marijuana use is associated with head and neck cancers. It found that marijuana use actually reduced the likelihood of head and neck cancers. If you are concerned about marijuana being associated with lung cancer, you may be interested in the results of the largest case-controlled study ever conducted to investigate the respiratory effects of marijuana smoking and cigarette smoking.[/quote]

Awesome. Good info. And lol.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1057723]Ive known someone to have to seek help for marijuana addiction. Ive known someone to seek help for video game addiction. Ive know several people to seek help for alcohol addiction. It should be dealt with as a health issue, not criminal.[/QUOTE]

Check the posse Chico runs with!

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[quote=RedskinRat;1057734]Check the posse Chico runs with!

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk[/quote]

lol none within the posse, but a couple of those are actually family.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

Addictions come in all shapes and sizes for sure. Glad to see the world finally waking up when it comes to weed. The war on drugs is a massive fail.

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[quote=Lotus;1057709]Marijuana is a "legitimate" pain killer, as cultures across the globe have known for centuries.
[/quote]

So is paint thinner and those fat permanent markers.

Just because it works doesn't mean it's safe, or right.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1057781]So is paint thinner and those fat permanent markers.

Just because it works doesn't mean it's safe, or right.[/quote]

The world needs pot to deal with people like you.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

[quote=Monkeydad;1057781]So is paint thinner and those fat permanent markers.

Just because it works doesn't mean it's safe, or right.[/quote]

Paint thinner is a pain killer? Now you are just playing stupid.

Many scientific studies have shown it is safer than alcohol and many Rx meds, so your "just because it works" argument is BS.

It's not the 1920's any more and <Reefer Madness> has been demonstrated to be nothing more than mindless propaganda. Wake the F up.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

Anyone else notice since Matty has thinned out some of the crazies here (goat, first, etc...) how much more MD sticks out?

No more crazy trees for him to hide behind anymore.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

Nancy Grace would be proud.

Maybe we should move off the weed topic.

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[quote=Mattyk;1057787]Nancy Grace would be proud.

[B]Maybe we should move off the weed topic.[/B][/quote]

Given some of the arguments here, we should probably be talking about the possibility of time travel instead.

Re: Fred Davis Bye Bye
 

sleep is a form of time travel imo and im not even joking.

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[quote=Mattyk;1057787]Nancy Grace would be proud.

Maybe we should move off the weed topic.[/quote]

[IMG]http://oi62.tinypic.com/53r6hg.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Lotus;1057789]Given some of the arguments here, we should probably be talking about the possibility of time travel instead.[/quote]

Can't help it that some of us still long for the good old days of prohibition, reefer madness and buggery laws.


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[quote=dynamiterave;1057816]can't help it that some of us still long for the good old days of prohibition, reefer madness and buggery laws.


[img]http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/188/thanksobama.jpg[/img][/quote]

lmao.

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1057708]Weed causes Lung Cancer? Since when? I don't remember that being on the box.[/QUOTE]


What box? Wait do you mean fruit loops? This is bad.