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[quote=Chico23231;1060285]Whistler team building strategy seems to be let's just get a bunch of average joes and keep our fingers crossed. We have the cap space and we are in good cap position for the future as well, so why not interject some good talent in some need areas? Several players at Safety, Oline and WR could put this team back in the playoffs quickly.[/quote]

Its as easy as that here. Why sit around and lose games next year. Address these positions and start winning again. Win.. but i guess Jairus Byrd or even Mike Mitchell arent worth it right? No more bums!

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[quote=Lotus;1060761]London Fletcher, to name just one.[/quote]

So for every Fletcher there's Josh Morgan and Josh Wilson. I'm not saying we should not going and get anybody. I don't want to see the 2000 Redskins all over again.

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[quote=Lotus;1060761]London Fletcher, to name just one.[/quote]

garcon,coefield,etc

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[quote=whistler;1060284][B]The skins have a serious need to "grow their own" players. If you draft well, and identify talent correctly it can be done without breaking the bank. Seattle did a good job with that, and it paid off the last couple of years, however coaching helps a lot.[/B]It seems as if there are no good players out there other than Byrd and Ward?

Good football players are never a step slow due to good football instincts. Good DBs don't have to run 4.4, low 4.5s isn't bad db speed. Football isn't a track meet. There are diamonds in the rough everywhere.

Bringing in highly touted FAs that are given a starting position can be a confidence killer to a young guy with potential.

Now, if your saying that you have no confidence in the skin's front office to identify talent or the coaches to "coach em up" that's a whole different discussion.[/quote]

So grow your own players but dont pay them in their prime. Got it, makes sense

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[quote=skinsfan69;1060836]So for every Fletcher there's Josh Morgan and Josh Wilson. I'm not saying we should not going and get anybody. I don't want to see the 2000 Redskins all over again.[/quote]

Hold on, did the signings of Morgan and Wilson hand tie us somehow? No not at all. Damn people really forget Vinny and his contracts. You want to criticize anything about them is the talent evaluation from the coaches, not the contracts from the team. They were both affordable, low risk contracts.

People forget, Josh Morgan had garnered the interest from about 5 teams...

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[quote=skinsfan69;1060836]So for every Fletcher there's Josh Morgan and Josh Wilson. I'm not saying we should not going and get anybody. I don't want to see the 2000 Redskins all over again.[/quote]

For every Josh Morgan there has been a Pierre Garcon.

For every Josh Wilson there has been a DeAngelo Hall.

We could debate this point forever. Yet, I get what you're saying. You're flexible about signing FA's as long as they are the right ones.

I think free agency can help us but we definitely don't want to get in cap hell with bad FA contracts or continue to think that FA is going to save us. It's just one of the ways to build a team, with the draft being the primary way.

We just need to to do a better job of evaluating personnel so there are fewer misses with both FA's and draftees. Poor personnel decisions has been our bane.

Also, in most cases, I think it is better to go with younger FA's who the Skins think are about to step up to a higher level of play. Pierre Garcon is an excellent example of a smart FA signing, IMO.

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I don't think anyone is asking for a free agent spending spree like in 2000, and does anyone really think Allen would spend foolishly on over the hill vets like that??

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[quote=Mattyk;1060860]I don't think anyone is asking for a free agent spending spree like in 2000, and does anyone really think Allen would spend foolishly on over the hill vets like that??[/quote]

Heck no....and I don't understand why some fans still cling to that old stigma.
Its ancient history.
You may as well expect them to acquire all very old defensive players because that's how George Allen did it.

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[quote=Mattyk;1060860]I don't think anyone is asking for a free agent spending spree like in 2000, [B]and does anyone really think Allen would spend foolishly on over the hill vets like that[/B]??[/quote]

Seems ironic to say that since his father brought us the "Over the hill gang".

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[quote=Skinzman;1060864]Seems ironic to say that since his father brought us the "Over the hill gang".[/quote]

Different era, no salary cap back then for one thing.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1060836]So for every Fletcher there's Josh Morgan and Josh Wilson. I'm not saying we should not going and get anybody. I don't want to see the 2000 Redskins all over again.[/quote]

Josh Wilson was all we could afford. All the good cornerbacks had been picked over.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1060855]For every Josh Morgan there has been a Pierre Garcon.

For every Josh Wilson there has been a DeAngelo Hall.

We could debate this point forever. Yet, I get what you're saying. You're flexible about signing FA's as long as they are the right ones.

I think free agency can help us but we definitely don't want to get in cap hell with bad FA contracts or continue to think that FA is going to save us. It's just one of the ways to build a team, with the draft being the primary way.

We just need to to do a better job of evaluating personnel so there are fewer misses with both FA's and draftees. Poor personnel decisions has been our bane.

Also, in most cases, I think it is better to go with younger FA's who the Skins think are about to step up to a higher level of play. Pierre Garcon is an excellent example of a smart FA signing, IMO.[/quote]Redskins free agent signings: when they're bad, they're bad. When they're good, they cost a lot, and are average.

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[quote=whistler;1059510]Skins need to utilize the talent that they have:
cut/release: Merriweather
sign: FS
resign: Hall
Build with: Crawford, Amerson, Minnefield. Biggers, Thomas, Rambo

Improve the players that are here, give them an opportunity to get better, and put them in position to be good[/quote]

Minnefield ? What has he done in the NFL

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[quote=skins89moss;1060952]Minnefield ? What has he done in the NFL[/quote]

Minnefield is a good player that hasn't been fully healthy. That's why they over paid him to be on the development squad last year. He has good instincts although not as big as I'd like but, is good in run support and coverage.
If he can't make the roster this year then cut him but, given the opportunity I think he can be a good one.
There are players that need to get on the field, Shanahan had his favorites, that's the only reason J Wilson was playing, in my opinion.

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I see a Byrd, Mitchell combination in the Redskins future.

Byrd is not making it out of Buffalo.

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I'm sure Buf will tag him

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I will try and find the link but the Bills have been trying to sign Byrd to a long term contract to no avail. They also are NOT going to use the tag on him. I guess we will find out the truth in about 24 hrs. Rich Tandler had the link in a tweet

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byrd is not going to be worth the price he will command. Get a journeyman stopgap at CB, try to find a decent cheap veteran to teach our two young safeties, and play should improve over last year. Don't need to pay a kings ransom for one DB when there are so many needs and questions on this team.

[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;1061130]I will try and find the link but the Bills have been trying to sign Byrd to a long term contract to no avail. They also are NOT going to use the tag on him. I guess we will find out the truth in about 24 hrs. Rich Tandler had the link in a tweet[/QUOTE]
No link but I understood Byrd to be turning down top 2 money, if we do that then let Rak walk that would annoy me more.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10541752/buffalo-bills-talks-jairus-byrd-reach-standstill]Buffalo Bills talks with Jairus Byrd reach standstill - ESPN[/url]

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I don't see bringing in Byrd as a great idea for the skins. To many resources tied up in a guy who may or may not be a good fit here.

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[quote=whistler;1061124]Minnefield is a good player that hasn't been fully healthy. That's why they over paid him to be on the development squad last year. He has good instincts although not as big as I'd like but, is good in run support and coverage.
If he can't make the roster this year then cut him but, given the opportunity I think he can be a good one.
There are players that need to get on the field, Shanahan had his favorites, that's the only reason J Wilson was playing, in my opinion.[/quote]

over paid him to be on the development squad ? there is a set salary for all development squad players.

I thought Chase was healthy for the 2013 season... ...reportedly he was inactive because of a reluctance to play special teams, no surprise someone who did 7 BP reps at the combine would get hurt

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1061129]I'm sure Buf will tag him[/quote]

Just saw on NFL Network at Byrd is unlikely to get tagged rolling across the bottom.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1061139][B]over paid him to be on the development squad ? there is a set salary for all development squad players[/B].

I thought Chase was healthy for the 2013 season... ...reportedly he was inactive because of a reluctance to play special teams, no surprise someone who did 7 BP reps at the combine would get hurt[/quote]

No, you can pay them whatever you want as long as you can fit it into the salary cap.

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[url=http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=10536860]NFL Sam Shields to test free agency - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1061139]over paid him to be on the development squad ? there is a set salary for all development squad players.

I thought Chase was healthy for the 2013 season... ...reportedly he was inactive because of a reluctance to play special teams, no surprise someone who did 7 BP reps at the combine would get hurt[/quote]

DBs don't push that much weight. If you recall, Smoot did 1 on the BP.