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[quote=jamf;1081802]I don't get the uproar over the video.
From day one the report was he knocked her out in an elevator, the video shows him knocking her out in an elevator.
[B]What did you guys expect to see?[/B]

First and foremost Rice should be in jail.

What was Goodell thinking when he suspended him for 2 games?
The fact that he did not attempt to watch the video of the assault is unbelievable.
Goodell gave him a 2 game suspension, that should be that. I don't understand how they can suspended him again. This isn't new evidence, it's been there available the whole time!!!

I would like Goodell to serve an indefinite ban for his handling of this case.
I hope Rice fights the new suspension but I also hope he ends up in jail and never plays in the NFL again.

F... Ray Rice and Goodell![/quote]

I think there's a general lack of imagination that doesn't allow people to understand things without having actually witnessing them. For example, when Goodell allowed Michael Vick to play without having to face further suspension after being released from prison, there was an awful lot of people who believed he should be allowed back because "he had served his time." If there were videos showing him executing (through torturous means) the seven dogs that he personally executed, I believe far fewer people would have concluded that he served his time and instead would forever be sickened by the mere mention of his name. But why? Because of that lack of imagination; the inability to understand the terrible nature of things not experienced first hand. And I use the Vick case because it's an easy example, but there are many other social problems highlighted by the general Ray Rice reaction. In the examples of Rice and Vick, the lack of imagination allows us to gloss over terrible things. However, in many other cases, it prevents us from feeling empathy for others when we should feel empathy, etc.

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Well said Coff and I agree to some extent but we aren't talking about Mike Vick and killing dogs. We are talking about domestic violence and punching someone in the face.
most people know what it is and don't need an imagination to figure it out.

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Statement from [B][U]Mrs.[/U][/B] Rice:

Janay Rice defended her husband and criticized the media.

"I woke up this morning feeling like I had a horrible nightmare, feeling like I'm mourning the death of my closest friend," she wrote in an Instagram post. "But to have to accept the fact that it's reality is a nightmare itself. No one knows the pain that the media & unwanted [opinions] from the public has caused my family. To make us relive a moment in our lives that we regret everyday is a horrible thing.

"To take something away from the man I love that he has worked his ass off for all his life just to gain ratings is horrific. THIS IS OUR LIFE! What don't you all get. If your intentions were to hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all happiness away, you've succeeded on so many levels. Just know we will continue to grow & show the world what real love is! Ravensnation we love you!"

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11493042/janay-rice-defends-ray-rice-criticizes-media-instagram-post?addata=module-b]Janay Rice defends Ray Rice, criticizes media in Instagram post - ESPN[/url]

Not trying to crawl in to this woman's head but I think it demonstrates the whole "conflict of interest" issue mentioned earlier.

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The good old blame the media argument. I get it to a small degree, but your husband is a public figure who knocked you out on camera. In this day and age if it's on camera, it's going to get out eventually.

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Not only that,

(1) Domestic violence and violence against women has been a topic of discussion all summer.

(2) With all due respect, it's not all about you and Rice individually. It's larger than that; its a demonstration of what is and isn't acceptable in society. This incident was, unfortunately, just a microcosm of something that happens across the country in many homes everyday. It needs to be held up as a clear symbol "This is wrong. Women - don't tolerate this; Men - don't act like this."

(3) I have a daughter. I am outraged at the thought that someone may actually believe this is an appropriate way to treat my daughter under any circumstances. Sorry if you disagree Ms. Rice, but I will let the world know - do this to my daughter and I will hunt you down and inflict grievous injury upon you.

(4) I have a son. I am outraged at the thought that someone may actually believe him less a man if he refuses the path of violence to resolve conflicts between himself and someone - particular a wife or gf - who is inherently weaker than him.

At this point, unfortunately for Mrs. Rice, the events in question are part of a much larger conversation we need to have as a society.

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[quote=Mattyk;1081858]The good old blame the media argument. I get it to a small degree, but your husband is a public figure who knocked you out on camera. In this day and age if it's on camera, it's going to get out eventually.[/quote]

she is mad at the media? How about the man that punched you out?

I worked at a hotel a long time ago as a desk clerk. If woman was beaten they (woman shelter) bring her there as like a safe house for a few days. The hotel company offered the room as complimentary. No one knew they were there. I didn't even know who was in the room it was just booked under a fake name. One time one of the husbands showed up and proceeded to beat his wife again, how did he know where she was? She called him.

Domestic violence is a awful circle of abuse.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1081866](2) With all due respect, it's not all about you and Rice individually. It's larger than that; its a demonstration of what is and isn't acceptable in society. This incident was, unfortunately, just a microcosm of something that happens across the country in many homes everyday. It needs to be held up as a clear symbol "This is wrong. Women - don't tolerate this; Men - don't act like this."[/quote]

Correct.

Acceptable = knocking your wife out with no video of it.

Unacceptable = knocking your wife out on video.

That's what this incident has shown.

There's a sh*t ton of hypocrites strutting around lately.

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-ray-rice-take-the-stairs-125413565.html]'Fox & Friends' jokes about Ray Rice video spark outrage[/url]

"After discussing the latest developments in the Ray Rice situation — in which the star ex-Baltimore Ravens running back assaulted his then-fiancee in a hotel elevator — Kilmeade joked, “I think the message is, take the stairs.”"

Amazingly poor taste

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11493042/janay-rice-defends-ray-rice-criticizes-media-instagram-post]Janay Rice defends Ray Rice, criticizes media in Instagram post - ESPN[/url]
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Their kid won't even have a chance at this rate.


[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/new-jersey-prosecutor-who-let-ray-rice-off-the-hook-is-throwing-the-book-at-a-young-mother-of-two/article/2553028]New Jersey prosecutor who let Ray Rice off the hook is throwing the book at a young mother of two | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

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She may have only stayed for the money and now, since the new video came out, there won't be any more money. That may be one of the unspoken reasons she's pissed.

I feel sorry for her but not because of the money. They can live on the money he's already made. I feel sorry for her because she is with a man she can't trust and probably fears.

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Let's see, what happens when you [I]aren't[/I] rich and famous:

[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/new-jersey-prosecutor-who-let-ray-rice-off-the-hook-is-throwing-the-book-at-a-young-mother-of-two/article/2553028]New Jersey prosecutor who let Ray Rice off the hook is throwing the book at a young mother of two | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

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As much as her statement pissed me off (and trust me, it did) I have to keep reminding myself that that type of statement she released is typical of a battered woman. Until she fully removes herself from that situation (if she ever does) she won't see herself as a victim instead of a target.

And to all the people (not here in particular but other places I've seen) saying "oh we don't know what really happened" and "wah, they deserve their privacy", f that. Ray Rice let everyone into their private life the minute he knocked his wife out in a public area.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1081889]As much as her statement pissed me off (and trust me, it did) I have to keep reminding myself that that type of statement she released is typical of a battered woman. Until she fully removes herself from that situation (if she ever does) she won't see herself as a victim instead of a target.

And to all the people (not here in particular but other places I've seen) saying "oh we don't know what really happened" and "wah, they deserve their privacy", f that. Ray Rice let everyone into their private life the minute he knocked his wife out in a public area.[/quote]

Sadly battered woman syndrome is usually an extension of childhood abuse. It can take the form of being abused personally or seeing parents physically fight. I had heard about it growing up, but it really hit home during college where I was unfortunate enough to see how situations like this unfold.

In short one woman I knew who came from a stable loving home (I had actually met her family and visited her home on multiple occasions), not only walked out on her abuser without hesitation, but vigilantly pursued criminal charges. On the other hand there were two other women I knew who based on what I could gather had pretty rough childhoods. To put it into perspective one got [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_of_minors"]legally emancipated[/URL] at 16 years old, because as she put it, going to boot camp was club med compared to staying at home.

Long story short one stayed with and defended an abusive a-hole BF (literally used a slightly altered version of the 'fell down the stairs' explanation when asked why she had a black eye). The other jumped from one abusive guy to the next. In fact one time she cheated on an abusive guy who then apparently got into a fight with the other abusive guy she had slept with (shocker I know).

The worst part is these incidents are almost never isolated. Rather they bleed into multiple generations, until somehow, someway, a person strong enough comes along and breaks the cycle. It's a nice story when it happens but the buildup is to painful to watch.

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it looks like rice spit in her face once they got into the elevator as well ..... has anyone heard whether he was black out drunk?

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[URL="http://www.wptv.com/news/national/hershs-pizza-baltimore-pizza-parlor-offers-pizza-for-ray-rice-jersey"]Hershe's Pizza: Baltimore pizza parlor offers pizza for Ray Rice jersey - wptv.com[/URL]
[QUOTE]“Dear Lovers of Women, Not Hitting Women, Non Violence and Just Generally Being a Good Person,
Come trade your Ray Rice Ravens Jersey in for a free pizza at Hersh's,” reads the statement. “These jerseys will save us money on toilet paper this week.”

Shortly after the Ravens announced Rice’s firing, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell suspended Rice indefinitely .

The initial Facebook post was shared close to 300 times in about three hours. Hersh's later announced that the shop would donate $2.70, after Rice's No. 27, to the House of Ruth for every jersey it received.

"Since there are only so many we can use for toilet paper," a new Facebook post read. [/QUOTE]

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[quote=Mattyk;1081858]The good old blame the media argument. I get it to a small degree, but your husband is a public figure who knocked you out on camera. In this day and age if it's on camera, it's going to get out eventually.[/quote]


I agree but lets not confuse TMZ with regular media either .Someone has been sitting on this tape and got some money for it .

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[quote=Giantone;1081894]I agree but lets not confuse TMZ with regular media either .Someone has been sitting on this tape and got some money for it .[/quote]

I agree. I was thinking about it last night because I originally guessed it was the act of a whistle blower. However if you were a genuine whistle blower with no ulterior motive wouldn't you send the tape to a more reputable news source like CNN or even Vice News if you didn't trust a major news outlet to handle it properly instead of TMZ? Obviously you can still be a whistle blower while sending the tape to TMZ but given the fact that the choices of news organizations were essentially limitless, why settle on TMZ?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1081895]I agree. I was thinking about it last night because I originally guessed it was the act of a whistle blower. However if you were a genuine whistle blower with no ulterior motive wouldn't you send the tape to a more reputable news source like CNN or even Vice News if you didn't trust a major news outlet to handle it properly instead of TMZ? Obviously you can still be a whistle blower while sending the tape to TMZ but given the fact that the choices of news organizations were essentially limitless, why settle on TMZ?[/quote]

Because TMZ bought it.

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[quote=FRPLG;1081899]Because TMZ bought it.[/quote]

Bro, I was going all Glenn Beck asking rhetorical questions and ish.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1081883]Let's see, what happens when you [I]aren't[/I] rich and famous:

[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/new-jersey-prosecutor-who-let-ray-rice-off-the-hook-is-throwing-the-book-at-a-young-mother-of-two/article/2553028]New Jersey prosecutor who let Ray Rice off the hook is throwing the book at a young mother of two | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url][/quote]



NJ is a shit state anyways. Ran by a incompetent corrupt fatass so it's not surprising really.

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The guy is screwed. Everyone from DC to Beijing has seen the video by now. He will be extremely lucky to play one down of football ever again!!!!!! Then his one comment was "I have to be strong for my wife." Really, you need to cold cock her and drag her around to be strong for her?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1081903]Bro, I was going all Glenn Beck asking rhetorical questions and ish.[/quote]

The answer to the question should have been a no brainer. Whoever released the video, wasn't dumb. Why release it to CNN or NBC if they weren't going to pay you or pay you top dollar? Might as well get paid for something as big as that. More people probably are into TMZ now than news anymore. More outrageous and less depressing, although in this instance it was pathetic.

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[quote=Giantone;1081894]I agree but lets not confuse TMZ with regular media either .Someone has been sitting on this tape and got some money for it .[/quote]

Definitely!!!!! You can't blame some security guard making probably $14-15 a hour copying it and trying to score big with it.

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[quote=Ghost of George Allen;1081913]Definitely!!!!! You can't blame some security guard making probably $14-15 a hour copying it and trying to score big with it.[/quote]

That casino was closed down a couple of weeks ago. Chances are this is someone's idea of a severance package.

EDIT: Also TMZ had several quotes that were not attribute to anyone by name, but was from the point of view of the casino employees. The founder of TMZ was on Espn radio yesterday and while he wouldn't admit it in this case, he said they will pay for tape and hold stories. He said, "everyone does it" and got quite defensive.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1081883]Let's see, what happens when you [I]aren't[/I] rich and famous:

[URL="http://washingtonexaminer.com/new-jersey-prosecutor-who-let-ray-rice-off-the-hook-is-throwing-the-book-at-a-young-mother-of-two/article/2553028"]New Jersey prosecutor who let Ray Rice off the hook is throwing the book at a young mother of two | WashingtonExaminer.com[/URL][/quote]

That DA should be fired ..... what an A O !

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I miss Pete Rozelle. :Smoker:

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Surprising Lache Seastrunk is still unsigned. Even with the mess at the Ravens, doesn't look like they've called him. He did work out with Green Bay this week however.

Would've been nice to parlay our overabundance of RB talent this year into trades / draft picks with teams like Ravens, but unfortunately RB's seem to be a dime a dozen nowadays and don't think they'd give up anything for ours..

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[quote=budw38;1081922]That DA should be fired ..... what an A O ![/quote]

Aren't DA's usually elected?

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[url=http://deadspin.com/floyd-mayweather-thinks-the-nfl-was-too-hard-on-ray-ric-1632897093]Floyd Mayweather Thinks The NFL Was Too Hard On Ray Rice[/url]

god lord, i have officially heard it all.

"Mayweather, who has been convicted of, pleaded guilty or no contest to, or pleaded down from at least [B][U]15 combined counts [/U][/B]of domestic violence, battery, harassment, stalking, and violating a protective order, said that he himself has been falsely accused before."

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not a fan of mayweather. supposedly paq and him are in talks but at this point they both missed the window to give boxing fans the fight we so desperately deserve for sticking with such a POS disorganized sport.

when mayweather and fox news has your back .... thats not a good look.

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[quote=over the mountain;1081972]not a fan of mayweather. supposedly paq and him are in talks but at this point they both missed the window to give boxing fans the fight we so desperately deserve for sticking with such a POS disorganized sport.

when mayweather and fox news has your back .... thats not a good look.[/quote]

Mayweather is garbage. This is a low character criminal and too often our society equates people having money as people with high character. Never is it more false than in today's society.

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Im just now hearing the Goodell interview on CBS from last night...Goodell comes away not sounding so good and Im kinda confused. It sounds like to me they obviously didnt do their due dillegence in the investigation. I would imagine some changes are coming to the NFL on how they handle crime and punishment.

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I hear some people calling for Goodell to be fired. I thought that was a stretch, but after seeing that CBS interview I am not so sure anymore. He really made a major mistake.
Does not look good at all.

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I don't understand the "fire Goodell" thing. As far as I know he didn't make Rice hit his wife. And it is not like the NFL hasn't made bad punishment choices before. Later this year, the Cowboys get back a player who got only 10 games for killing a teammate. The Panthers and the 49ers both had players week 1 who were accused of domestic violence. The only difference is that there is no video of them.

The only thing that I could see costing Goodell his job is if was lying about whether he had seen the elevator tape. At that point no one would trust his word ever again and he wouldn't be able to go forward.

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I'm more concerned about the fact Rice isn't behind bars than a botched NFL investigation. I think a lot of parties are at fault here.

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[quote=Hijinx;1081992][B]I don't understand the "fire Goodell" thing[/B]. As far as I know he didn't make Rice hit his wife. And it is not like the NFL hasn't made bad punishment choices before. Later this year, the Cowboys get back a player who got only 10 games for killing a teammate. The Panthers and the 49ers both had players week 1 who were accused of domestic violence. The only difference is that there is no video of them.

The only thing that I could see costing Goodell his job is if was lying about whether he had seen the elevator tape. At that point no one would trust his word ever again and he wouldn't be able to go forward.[/quote]

Agree. I think Goodell messed up something terrible, but this "fire Goodell movement" is the type of crappy media driven world we live in where its headline driven stories, provoking the "connected masses" to grab pitchforks brutelly punish all scapegoats. Once Ray was gone, you need more bodies to keep the story going...People need to look in their own communities and ask question now. Firing Goodell doesnt fit here.

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[quote=Chico23231;1081966][URL="http://deadspin.com/floyd-mayweather-thinks-the-nfl-was-too-hard-on-ray-ric-1632897093"]Floyd Mayweather Thinks The NFL Was Too Hard On Ray Rice[/URL]

god lord, i have officially heard it all.

"Mayweather, who has been convicted of, pleaded guilty or no contest to, or pleaded down from at least [B][U]15 combined counts [/U][/B]of domestic violence, battery, harassment, stalking, and violating a protective order, said that he himself has been falsely accused before."[/quote]

This shit with Ray is Bullshit.......
--OJ
P.S. According to John Clayton, Goodell ain't going anywhere

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[quote=Ghost of George Allen;1081912]The answer to the question should have been a no brainer. Whoever released the video, wasn't dumb. Why release it to CNN or NBC if they weren't going to pay you or pay you top dollar? Might as well get paid for something as big as that. More people probably are into TMZ now than news anymore. More outrageous and less depressing, although in this instance it was pathetic.[/quote]

Interestingly enough they could have sold multiple copies if they new how journalism works instead of giving it exclusive. Reed Timmer and other chasers of major news stories are well known for getting compensated by multiple outlets for the same footage.

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[quote=Mattyk;1081993]I'm more concerned about the fact Rice isn't behind bars than a botched NFL investigation. I think a lot of parties are at fault here.[/quote]

Also, a lot of people seem to be letting the Ravens organization off the hook. The Redskins and Dan Snyder get a lot of flak over the name issue; yet the Ravens and Steve Bisciotti are getting off easy IMO.