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[quote=FRPLG;1093866]You know what I find increasingly hard to accept? Gemma and Nero. Nero seems like an actual good guy trying to do right by people. Gemma is incredibly selfish in a way that is hard to see up close but pretty obvious when you take a step back after a while. Seems Nero would have figured this out by now.[/quote]

I feel like Gemma will either die next episode or Nero will be forced to reevaluate once Jax tells him about Gemma. No way will he choose to willfully ignore what she did, the signs have been there for a while with the way she was acting. He might end up with her in the end but no way Jax will approve of them riding off into the sunset together.

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[quote=mooby;1093871]I feel like Gemma will either die next episode or Nero will be forced to reevaluate once Jax tells him about Gemma. No way will he choose to willfully ignore what she did, the signs have been there for a while with the way she was acting. He might end up with her in the end but no way Jax will approve of them riding off into the sunset together.[/quote]

I don't think they'll kill her off so fast. I think they let her live til at LEAST the episode before the finale. I think Nero will leave her completely. Of course being Nero, he's going to try to calm Jax down, but I think Nero's gonna tell Gemma to run. As much as Nero loves her, I don't think he can turn a blind eye to this. Or... he'll do the complete opposite and Nero goes down with her by trying to protect her. Which... Eh. I guess is a possibility.

Also think that since Tully has been getting close to Juice, Jax will have Tully kill him off. Probably by sodomizing him to death or some sick shit. Sutter's crazy like that.

I figure Jax kills Gemma then all of a sudden Marks comes back and kills Jax just when you think he, Wendy and the boys are going to ride off into the sunset.

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[quote=FRPLG;1093865]Yeah I do think they've left Marks alive for one last go around but they gave the whole thing the typical SOA wham bam go away ma'am treatment. Sorta like when all of a sudden all their legal troubles we're gone because Romeo was secretly working for the CIA and made the US attorney drop the case. Unicorn magic![/quote]

At this point nobody should be surprised that Sutter likes to build up plot lines until it's almost unbearable to watch, and then everything is solved in minutes. LOL kinda lame I know, and yeah the end of season 4 and how the whole Romeo/RICO thing wrapped up was definitely weak.

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The shit has finally hit the fan for Gemma now huh

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Looks like it. I can't help but feel like she will be the only one to survive all this. Jax will be killed because Indian Hills wants mayhem for Jury's death, he will take responsibility for all the bad shit that happened following Tara's murder, Gemma/Nero and the boys will ride off to the ranch to live forever, and Chibs will be voted president of the charter. And Marks will get killed once he gets out on bail.

Of course that's the obvious plan, or probably what Sutter wants us to think. No way there isn't another twist coming before the series is over.

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Well looks like I was partially right; Gemma did live til the 2nd to last episode. In all honesty I was a bit moved by Sutter humanizing her this whole episode... Her deciding not to go on the lam, visiting her father one last time, going back to her childhood home and reliving memories and choosing to be killed in the garden she loved as a child... In spite of all of her cruelty, brutality and pretty much inexcusable ignorance in many cases, she went out like a loving mother; supporting Jax til the end. I was surprised she didn't try to manipulate him not to kill her. It seemed like when Jax started crying, she thought about it, but ultimately had made her peace.

Goodbye Unser, old meddling fool. Terminal cancer couldn't even bring his old tough rawhide ass down. I think that's how he wanted to go though, considering Unser has been loving Gemma for years.

Juicy Juicy Juicy. I couldn't even feel bad he died. A la Otto, I was glad he doesn't have to deal with impromptu prison rape anymore.

Really loved this episode.

P.s. I'm assuming the old by laws Jax was referring to was no blacks in SAMCRO? He did mention to T.O about getting the Grim Bastards into the club...

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1097447]
Goodbye Unser, old meddling fool. Terminal cancer couldn't even bring his old tough rawhide ass down. I think that's how he wanted to go though, considering Unser has been loving Gemma for years.

Juicy Juicy Juicy. I couldn't even feel bad he died. A la Otto, I was glad he doesn't have to deal with impromptu prison rape anymore.
[/quote]

I want you to write my obituary!

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Damnit Unser damnit.

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[quote=FRPLG;1097564]Damnit Unser damnit.[/quote]

To live and die in the friend zone.

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So there's no way Jax lives right?

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[quote=Mattyk;1097589]So there's no way Jax lives right?[/quote]

I would break down the options like this:

A. Jax accepts his fate and convinces the club to vote mayhem, all the other SOA clubs do the same, and Jax dies the way Jury did.

B. Jax plans his death so he dies like John Teller, he goes out riding JT's bike and has an "accident" where he dies in a more desirable way than being outed as a murderer by his own club.

C. The clubs for some strange, odd reason don't vote for mayhem and Jax goes the season 7 equivalent of nomad, takes his boys out of the game and goes to live on the farm with Nero and Wendy.

D. Clubs vote mayhem and Jax runs like a scared little girl (least likely option imo as he'd probably still die)

I'm still leaning towards Jax dies.

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[quote=FRPLG;1097564]Damnit Unser damnit.[/quote]

I felt like he didn't have to go, but seeing as how Gemma was the only thing worth living for in his life if she had to go he was collateral damage.

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F Unser, I didn't care at all about him getting killed.

So what's up with Jax limping at the start of the episode?

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Good question.

Is the show just going to play out or is there going to be a big twist at the end?

I just don't see Jax dying and leaving those boys abandoned.

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[quote=jamf;1097670]Good question.

Is the show just going to play out or is there going to be a big twist at the end?

I just don't see Jax dying and leaving those boys abandoned.[/quote]

They do have Wendy seeing as it seems she and Jax have reconciled. Nothing like putting a bullet in your mother's skull then going to bone your ex junkie ex wife. The one who seems to forgot the fact you injected her with an 8 ball in the not so distant past. Lol

I bet he knocks her up too. Oy...

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They gotta be setting something up. Between Jax's limp, Nero going to the garage, there's a whole bunch of things that wouldn't make sense if they were just trying to kill time. There's always a twist with this show.

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Yeah, I'm completely befuddled by why Jax is limping. And it's funny how I tend to forget a lot of details about past seasons. I had forgotten all about Jax shooting Wendy up with drugs. Didn't that just happen last season?

I'd hate to think Jax dies, but I don't see how he can continue to live. I do like the idea of allowing him to die like Teller. Basically, on his own terms.

I just wonder what the final scene is going to be? Here's what I'm thinking. Jax's death won't be the final scene. The final scene will be Jax's cuts being sent to the farm where his boys will now be raised. And Abel will open the box and hold up his daddy's cuts, and then it goes black.

It will make you wonder if Abel grows up to lead a new generation of Sons.

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Juices final scene hit me really hard.

The MC was his life but he got tired of taking it in the ass and just wanted it to end.
Thats exactly how I feel about these damn Redskins! Make the ass rape end :(
The expression on his face in the final scene is basically what i look like every sunday.

not even mad anymore.

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How about that cameo by Michael Chiklis? Nice nod to the past.

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Ugh that ending was weak. I feel so unfulfilled.

Maybe it's me. But that shit wrapped up too nicely and then parts of it didn't even wrap up. God damnit. I'm so anxious. lol

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Vic Mackey

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I felt like they didn't leave a lot of loose ends. The ending was a little too straightforward for me, there were a couple twists here and there but even after Happy got shot I felt like there was no way Jax lives. The moves he made basically said, "I'm going to take care of a bunch of shit and then accept my fate, that way the club can move forward without blowback." As far as endings go it wasn't amazing, but I felt they wrapped things up efficiently.

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Who was the girl at the end?

why is there a new random girl showing up every year?

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[quote=jamf;1098939]Who was the girl at the end?

why is there a new random girl showing up every year?[/quote]

She's Brooke's mom who died in the crash JT was involved in. She's also the Angel of Death and some sort of Jesus allegory; notice she was drinking wine and eating bread when Jax bumped into her. When asked who she was, all she responded with is "it's time".

Also if you look at past season's, she makes an appearance in episodes where major characters in Jax's life have died (Tara, Gemma, Opie)

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After thinking about it I think the finale was pretty good. In all reality Sutter ended it the only way he could without ruining the show. The big episode was the penultimate one and this one just had to tie everything up without doing crazy crap like sending him to be a lumberjack or something. He wrapped it up and ended it like it needed. It wasn't flashy and there wasn't some ill-conceived grand scheme to realign the philosophy of the show. It just ended.

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Predictable but satisfying ending for me. It had to end that way, just like Walter White doesn't get to live happily ever after, neither does Jax Teller.

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I can't say for sure what I was expecting. Jax to die? Definitely.

But I think maybe because it ended too nicely it didn't sit well with me. They wrapped everything up with a bow. Maybe I was expecting some sort of lasting turmoil... And then there were things that there were not answers to. Sutter copped out in the post-show when asked about who the homeless woman was "She's whoever you want her to be" My ass. Come on Sutter, give me something concrete. Plus Sutter is the worst showrunner when it comes to continuity. With some plotlines, they just veered into an entirely different direction.

But they literally sent Jax off the way of Jesus Christ.

I guess I found it a little hokey, I guess.

Overall, I still love the series. Captivated me til the end.

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The hallmark of the show had always been...huge buildup then neat tidy quick solutions. Then they'd spend the next season dealing with the fallout from whatever solution solved the prior season's angst. The clubs solution always drove them deeper and deeper into trouble. Sutter's strength was writing, creation, character development, and a good idea for the show...not necessarily his story arcs and serialisation.

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I guess my only complaint was the horrible CGI in the last scene. Cringe worthy for sure.

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The ending was really predictable. I felt Jax was going out the same way his father did. And sure enough, he did! He even went out on his daddy's bike. And I wasn't too far off with the thoughts on Abel. Instead of him holding up his daddy's cuts, he was pending the Sons ring on his finger - basically, Abel patches in when he's grown and the whole thing starts again.

I thought the bread and wine bit, and then Jax's blood flowing over to the wine soaked bread was a bit much. Probably a wee bit sacrilegious. But hey, it is what it is.

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[quote=skinsguy;1099189]The ending was really predictable. I felt Jax was going out the same way his father did. And sure enough, he did! He even went out on his daddy's bike. And I wasn't too far off with the thoughts on Abel. Instead of him holding up his daddy's cuts, he was pending the Sons ring on his finger - basically, Abel patches in when he's grown and the whole thing starts again.

[B]I thought the bread and wine bit, and then Jax's blood flowing over to the wine soaked bread was a bit much[/B]. Probably a wee bit sacrilegious. But hey, it is what it is.[/quote]

Yeah, I agree. Almost gave it this "Jackson Christ" element that I didn't like. I'm not even religious but I felt it was too much.

Also agree on the CGI Matty, bad CGI doesn't bother me that much but it looked like a terrible cardboard cutout of Jax with his arms open in the last scene for a brief second.

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The CGI crow flying overhead was pretty bad. Then it flies up into the air and disappears. Not flies out of sight, just disappears.

For me I liked the ending, though predictable. To me the show was entirely about whether Jax was a good guy or a bad guy. And interestingly in the end he decided he was a bad guy. Yet every step he took in the final episode was putting others before himself, getting his boys out of dodge, tying up loose ends for the club. There was conflict even in the end.

I've seen better TV series. There were plenty of times where Sutter put a lot of emphasis on a character only to have them be entirely inconsequential to the plot of the show. But Charlie Hunnam was great throughout. The hatred between him and Clay (nod to Ron Perlman, too) was palpable. The complexity of Jax's character is what kept me tuning in over the years, and I think Hunnam deserves the credit for showing that inner turmoil so well.

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I thought Hunnams accent starting coming out more this season.
He was full brit on the last episode.

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I noticed that too. The religious symbolism was a bit much for me.

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Charlie Hunnam definitely made his mark with this show in my opinion. Like Schneed, Jax's character is what kept me tuning in. But I'll agree that there were some character developments subplots that just didn't make sense to me.

I'm still trying to figure out why Jax was limping in one of the last few episodes. Maybe I zoned out when they explained it, but I never heard a reason. I still don't quite understand the reasoning for the sub plot with Tig and the tranny. Maybe it was meant to say that SOA had become more accepting of other races and sexual orientations? I mean, I'm not complaining about it, I just always felt that your subplots wind up tying into the main plot and being a factor in the end. Tig winding up with Venus was really no factor on the main story in my opinion.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;1100400]Charlie Hunnam definitely made his mark with this show in my opinion. Like Schneed, Jax's character is what kept me tuning in. But I'll agree that there were some character developments subplots that just didn't make sense to me.



I'm still trying to figure out why Jax was limping in one of the last few episodes. Maybe I zoned out when they explained it, but I never heard a reason. I still don't quite understand the reasoning for the sub plot with Tig and the tranny. Maybe it was meant to say that SOA had become more accepting of other races and sexual orientations? I mean, I'm not complaining about it, I just always felt that your subplots wind up tying into the main plot and being a factor in the end. Tig winding up with Venus was really no factor on the main story in my opinion.[/QUOTE]


Apparently Hunnam had a broken toe, not sure why they left it in the show. Maybe a red herring type of deal?

As for Tig he found happiness, what better way for him than with a tranny?

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[quote=Mattyk;1100436]Apparently Hunnam had a broken toe, not sure why they left it in the show. Maybe a red herring type of deal?

As for Tig he found happiness, what better way for him than with a tranny?[/quote]

I didn't realize he had broken a toe, but you're right, not sure why they left that in the show?

LOL! Yeah, I guess you're right. Tig and the tranny! Maybe that will be the spin-off show!