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In the third quarter, Silas Redd ran onto the field for a punt return, then ran back to the sideline in a panic. But he was the 11th player. The Redskins ended up fielding the punt with 10 men.

i missed that special team gem from yesterday...

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Lots of reasons we lost. Special teams was a main culprit obviously.

But my issue yesterday was this. KC got us in position to win the game but when it counted he missed passes. The INT was ehhh...they happen. But he missed a couple throws that we really needed him to hit. I am afraid that is what he is as a QB.

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Sweet!!

From Rich Tandler:

@Carolinadon09 hearing that they might bring up Chase Minnifield from the PS. Not sure if that's enough.
6:07am - 22 Sep 14

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Man, people are touchy about the QB situation. As for me, I am grateful that we have two capable QB's.

To detractors:
[quote=44Deezel;1085200]I don't know what you're watching. He's been blitzed plenty and, for the most part, he's gotten the ball out quickly and made the Defense pay. I hope the Giants blitz. I think they'll get punished for it.

Some of his inaccurate passes had nothing to do with pressure.[/quote]

I was watching the game where Cousins was 3 of 11 when rushed by 5.


[quote=skinsfan69;1085202]And you don't think we'll get better in that area either?[/quote]

I hope so. We should work on it for sure. As for "either," not sure what you are referring to.

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[quote=FRPLG;1085211]Lots of reasons we lost. Special teams was a main culprit obviously.

But my issue yesterday was this. KC got us in position to win the game but when it counted he missed passes. The INT was ehhh...they happen. But he missed a couple throws that we really needed him to hit. I am afraid that is what he is as a QB.[/quote]

IMO he missed passes early, too, but receivers bailed him out with fine catches. Near the end he missed so badly that he could not be bailed out.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1085209]Rather have Minnifield or Crawford. How about both and cut Porter who's wasting a roster spot.[/quote]

I wouldn't mind having Crawford back, we need bodies for special teams.

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Wow...I cant believe the negativity towards Cousins.
Did you see his stats FFS?
Did you want him to play corner and special teams too?

:smashfreak:

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[quote=FRPLG;1085211]Lots of reasons we lost. Special teams was a main culprit obviously.

But my issue yesterday was this. KC got us in position to win the game but when it counted he missed passes. The INT was ehhh...they happen. But he missed a couple throws that we really needed him to hit. I am afraid that is what he is as a QB.[/quote]

I was talking about that with a coworker today. I said really good QBs could play poorly for three quarters but when the game is on the line find the way to win. I am pleased with Cousins performance not sure he is ready to put the team on his shoulders in a difficult situation. We will see.

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I like what Cousins was able to get done yesterday. He did a nice job for most of the game. But I do have to put some blame of him for the final drive (or lack there of). We needed 10 yards to have a chance to tie it. He did what he had to before that drive and got us a TD. The defense came through with a big stop to get the ball back with plenty of time and great field position. Cousins didn't look to have it in him to get the win or tie.

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[quote=FRPLG;1085211]Lots of reasons we lost. Special teams was a main culprit obviously.

But my issue yesterday was this. KC got us in position to win the game but when it counted he missed passes. The INT was ehhh...they happen. But he missed a couple throws that we really needed him to hit. I am afraid that is what he is as a QB.[/quote]

Could not have written it better myself

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we need to regain control by beating NYG.

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[quote=Skins4L;1085223]we need to regain control by beating NYG.[/quote]

I think its a must win.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1085222]Could not have written it better myself[/quote]

Kinda like when it counted Kai (or Kia as i call him now) missed that 33 yard fieldgoal or Breeland let a int hit him in his hands and stomach when it counted. How about calling a left stretch play to the short side first play of the 3 and out to that ended a the game, when it counted. I see alot of responsible parties in the forth.

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on the last possession for us .. we called two out patterns which is fine i guess. we had time on the clock and good field position so i thought we werent limited to sideline routes.

on the 3rd and 10, cousins puts the ball right where it needed to be for that play call but the corner just saw that same look the snap prior and made a great play.

4th and 10 - im curious to hear from garcon and cousins about this one. it appeared they werent on the same page. it looked like garcon cut off his route and cut into the open space. cousins threw it like garcon was not supposed to cut off his route. was this a read play? should cousins have read the same read as garcon and thrown into the open space? .. just a tough way to end a tough game.


i thought a screen play on the last possession would have been helpful .. or just more screens in general. since the run wasnt really working or making the pass rush hesitate for a second, some screens sprinkled in would have had the rushers at least thinking for a second before pinning their ears back.

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[quote=Chico23231;1085225]Kinda like when it counted Kai (or Kia as i call him now) missed that 33 yard fieldgoal or Breeland let a int hit him in his hands and stomach when it counted. How about calling a left stretch play to the short side first play of the 3 and out to that ended a the game, when it counted. I see alot of responsible parties in the forth.[/quote]

Fair or not, the QB takes the majority of the blame/credit

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1085227]Fair or not, the QB takes the majority of the blame/credit[/QUOTE]

The criticism of Cousins is about what I expected from the diehard RGIII fans, they want Cousins to fail.
Question: were you as tough on RGIII after he took a dump on the field in the first half of the Texans game. RGIII's offense put up six points in the entire game against a team that had lost 14 games in a row. Did he have us in position to win that one going down the stretch?

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[quote=Defensewins;1085228]The criticism of Cousins is about what I expected from the diehard RGIII fans, they want Cousins to fail.
Question: were you as tough on RGIII after he took a dump on the field in the first half of the Texans game. RGIII's offense put up six points in the entire game against a team that had lost 14 games in a row. Did he have us in position to win that one going down the stretch?[/quote]

of course not. the playbook for RG3 is so watered down and limited to dump downs and 1 look reads. with that said, RG3 will get better and will grow into a better all round passer and manager.

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[quote=over the mountain;1085229]of course not. t[B]he playbook for RG3 is so watered down and limited to dump downs and 1 look reads. [/B]with that said, RG3 will get better and will grow into a better all round passer and manager.[/quote]

Ha! That is a good one.
Oh wait were you trying to be funny or were you serious?

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[quote=Defensewins;1085228]The criticism of Cousins is about what I expected from the diehard RGIII fans, they want Cousins to fail.
Question: were you as tough on RGIII after he took a dump on the field in the first half of the Texans game. RGIII's offense put up six points in the entire game against a team that had lost 14 games in a row. Did he have us in position to win that one going down the stretch?[/quote]

What a load of crap. Of course, I don't want Cousins to fail. I'm not even a diehard RG3 fan.

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It will all play out. Giants next. It's funny, I always thought it was about winning not stats. I guess Kirk Cousins is a special case. If the game is on the line and it's 4th and 10 I'm choosing RG3 to get those 10 yards. He would sacrifice his body and make sure we win.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1085238]It will all play out. Giants next. It's funny, I always thought it was about winning not stats. I guess Kirk Cousins is a special case. If the game is on the line and it's 4th and 10 I'm choosing RG3 to get those 10 yards. He would sacrifice his body and make sure we win.[/quote]

cousins answered some questions yesterday, one being he can run the gruden offense.

Can he win the big game, that is yet to be answered. +


Im worried about the Alfmo injury more than any other injury on the team. Really hoping he is alright and can go thursday.

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[quote=Chico23231;1085240]cousins answered some questions yesterday, one being he can run the gruden offense.

Can he win the big game, that is yet to be answered. +


Im worried about the Alfmo injury more than any other injury on the team. Really hoping he is alright and can go thursday.[/quote]

I'm worried about DHall. Redd and Helu are good runners. Breeland aka tree land aka (auto complete) brew land. He ain't scared to tackled like Ramhoe.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1085238]It will all play out. Giants next. It's funny how Cam Newton through for over 400 his first game but they lost so everyone still doubts. Cousins goes over 400 and loses but we have people celebrating like we winning.[/quote]

There a lot to be optimistic about.

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[quote=skinsguy;1085243]There a lot to be optimistic about.[/quote]

Breeland can take DHall spot.

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Getting tired of special teams biting us in the ass. Tough to blame Kirk when he threw for 400+ but also can't ignore the fact he had his chance to be the hero at the end but couldn't pull it out. He still played a great game, not hating at all.

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[quote=FRPLG;1085211]Lots of reasons we lost. Special teams was a main culprit obviously.

But my issue yesterday was this. KC got us in position to win the game but when it counted he missed passes. The INT was ehhh...they happen. But he missed a couple throws that we really needed him to hit. I am afraid that is what he is as a QB.[/quote]

Did Mark Rypien make all the clutch throws after his fifth start?

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[QUOTE=Gary84Clark;1085238]It will all play out. Giants next. It's funny how Cam Newton through for over 400 his first game but they lost so everyone still doubts. Cousins goes over 400 and loses but we have people celebrating like we winning.[/QUOTE]


Please quote me one person in this thread who is "celebrating like we winning."

Please quote me one person in this thread who has "no doubts" about Cousins based on yesterday's performance.

Also, interesting choice of comparators, just sayin'.

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[quote=Defensewins;1085228]The criticism of Cousins is about what I expected from the diehard RGIII fans, they want Cousins to fail.
Question: were you as tough on RGIII after he took a dump on the field in the first half of the Texans game. RGIII's offense put up six points in the entire game against a team that had lost 14 games in a row. Did he have us in position to win that one going down the stretch?[/quote]

I just don't get the black-or-white world you live in.

RGIII is one of our QB's. I support and cheer for him and, when deserved, criticize him. Because he is one of our QB's, I never root for him to fail.

Cousins is one of our QB's. I support and cheer for him and, when deserved, criticize him. Because he is one of our QB's, I never root for him to fail.

I know that I am not the only one who feels this way.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1085244]Breeland can take DHall spot.[/quote]

I love what I've seen from Breeland so far. Now if we could get some young, promising safeties in there.

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[quote=FRPLG;1085211]Lots of reasons we lost. Special teams was a main culprit obviously.

But my issue yesterday was this. KC got us in position to win the game but when it counted he missed passes. The INT was ehhh...they happen. But he missed a couple throws that we really needed him to hit.[B] I am afraid that is what he is as a QB.[/quote]
[/B]
So after 5 starts and really no work with first team you're saying this is what he is as a QB? You don't think the timing with Garcon, DJax and co will improve? Or maybe you prefer that high school offense we saw week one. Actually I really hope you're right cause if KC is what we saw yesterday then he's a Pro Bowl QB. For this week, what should have been 37 points on the road is something any NFL team would take. At least for this week, I can not blame the offense or Cousins for the loss.

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[quote=Lotus;1085251]I just don't get the black-or-white world you live in.

RGIII is one of our QB's. I support and cheer for him and, when deserved, criticize him. Because he is one of our QB's, I never root for him to fail.

Cousins is one of our QB's. I support and cheer for him and, when deserved, criticize him. Because he is one of our QB's, I never root for him to fail.

I know that I am not the only one who feels this way.[/quote]

Nope. I'm with you on this. I love both of these guys and I'd hate to see either one of them go, and hoping if such happens, it's because one or the other (or someone else) has firmly proven himself to be the franchise quarterback for the Washington Redskins.

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[QUOTE=Lotus;1085214]IMO he missed passes early, too, but receivers bailed him out with fine catches. Near the end he missed so badly that he could not be bailed out.[/QUOTE]


He missed on a couple passes late. Early in the game and even into the second half he was putting balls in the tightest damn windows possible. A couple of them may have appeared to be off, but they were actually placed where only the wr could make a play. Dude was nothing short of superb(especially for fifth start of his career).

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has anyone heard anything from cousins, garcon or gruden about what happened on the 4th down play?

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[quote=punch it in;1085255]He missed on a couple passes late. Early in the game and even into the second half he was putting balls in the tightest damn windows possible. A couple of them may have appeared to be off, but they were actually placed where only the wr could make a play. Dude was nothing short of superb(especially for fifth start of his career).[/quote]

I was talking about several passes which were not well-placed: pointlessly behind the receiver, etc.

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meriweather, the guy we were supposed to be happy to have back, blew a kick coverage for a TD and at least twice got beat by a WR one on one that led to a big play/TD.

get rid of this guy. he has zero redeeming qualities.

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From what I could tell, Trenton Robinson enabled the kickoff return TD by getting out of his lane and creating a big hole. Then Meriweather missed the tackle. At least that's what I saw.

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[QUOTE=Lotus;1085261]I was talking about several passes which were not well-placed: pointlessly behind the receiver, etc.[/QUOTE]


You say several. I say a few. Every qb in the league misses every single game. The kid was aces yesterday. QB is thee last thing im worried about rite now as a Skins fan.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1085253][/B]
So after 5 starts and really no work with first team you're saying this is what he is as a QB? You don't think the timing with Garcon, DJax and co will improve? Or maybe you prefer that high school offense we saw week one. Actually I really hope you're right cause if KC is what we saw yesterday then he's a Pro Bowl QB. For this week, what should have been 37 points on the road is something any NFL team would take. At least for this week, I can not blame the offense or Cousins for the loss.[/quote]

As spectacular as RG3 was in 2012, he was 3-6 in his first 9 starts. It's illogical to think KC has peeked and will never get better.

Hopefully the winning starts to go along with the nice stat lines.

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Cousins had a better arm than I expected. He put some zip on some of those balls.

At the same time, game on the line, 1st down at the opponent's 40, the QB has to manufacture some yards.

The constant knock on Romo is that he gets greats stats, does lots of amazing stuff to get wins, but, ultimately (and consistently), can't make "the play" when it critical that he do so.

There is lots (LOTS) of blame to go around for Sundays loss. KC gets his fair share of it. My only question is: Can he improve and make "the play"? OR, as FRPLG fears, is this who he is and there ain't no more.

I reserve judgment. I think KC generally acquitted himself well in his 5th start against a good division rival on their field in a game that was a real slugfest. At the same time, to really stake a claim for the job, KC needs to take the team on his shoulders and win at crunch time.

In 2012, RGIII did that and, honestly, given a little time, I believe he will do it again. For now, however, we roll with KC and I hope he tears up the opposition (just like I hoped for RGIII).

It will be a very fortunate dilemma if at the end of this season we have 2 guys who can start and win in this league at QB.

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[quote=Lotus;1085261]I was talking about several passes which were not well-placed: pointlessly behind the receiver, etc.[/quote]

There isn't a QB in the history of the league that hasn't thrown a few bad balls every game. Foles had 2 that should have been intercepted and overthrew several more. I do think there might be an endurance issue with Kirk that will get solved with more starts. Just not used to playing full games week in and week out.