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If Robert can learn to take care of Robert, it will go a long way to his longevity. Step out of bounds, slide, throw the ball away....
Play smart, he's a smart kid

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[quote=skinsfan69;1089617]I've been saying this here and there, if Jameis Winston is there when we draft, the Redskins are going to have a tough decision to make.[/quote]

I like Winston as a player, but unless Griffin really stinks when he comes back I doubt we draft a quarterback with our first pick.

[quote=Skinsfanatic;1089624]I agree. Which OL or CB do we take?[/quote]

I'm not a draft guru and won't pretend to be, but I don't think taking an offensive lineman with our first pick would be the right move. I know, I know, we have to protect Griffin. The thing is though, we just drafted two guys last year that you have to give a chance to develop. If 0gbuehi is available at #3 or wherever we pick, it would be tough to pass him up, but if you do take him, then you just wasted last year's 3rd rounder on a guy who will never see the field. Doesn't sound like a good way to build your team. (Now, if we end up starting Moses several games this year and he's so bad there's no hope, my tone will change.)

I'm thinking defensive line with our first pick. It sounds like Leonard Williams from USC could be a good interior rusher. If a young Jason Hatcher like that is available, I probably take him over an offensive tackle. Safety would be nice too, but it sounds like this safety class isn't exactly loaded with top-notch safety prospects. Maybe Landon Collins. Kurtis Drummond was supposed to be a good one, but he's struggled a little this year.

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[quote=Hog1;1089628]If Robert can learn to take care of Robert, it will go a long way to his longevity. Step out of bounds, slide, throw the ball away....
Play smart, he's a smart kid[/quote]And don't jump up and down. And curl in a fetal position when he does go to ground, so a DL doesn't nearly break his upraised knee in half...

RG3 is too fragile.

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There is no way I draft Winston. Come on people. Drafting another quarterback and continuing to not use those draft picks for real need is just being deaf, dumb, and blind. If all the offensive linemen in the draft aren't worth a very high round pick, then use that #1 for a corner or safety or trade down to pick up an extra pick.

The plan should be, A) Rebuild the offensive line B) rebuild the offensive line C) rebuild the offensive line, and both D & E) draft safeties and corners.

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[quote=skinsguy;1089635]There is no way I draft Winston. Come on people. Drafting another quarterback and continuing to not use those draft picks for real need is just being deaf, dumb, and blind. If all the offensive linemen in the draft aren't worth a very high round pick, then use that #1 for a corner or safety or trade down to pick up an extra pick.

The plan should be, A) Rebuild the offensive line B) rebuild the offensive line C) rebuild the offensive line, and both D & E) draft safeties and corners.[/quote]

If they draft Winston, RG3 would be traded. Let's say Buffalo or the Jets gives their 1st rounder and a legit o-linemen? That would give the Skins two high draft picks and a starter. They'd have to think hard about something like that of it presented itself. Don't think it will happen as RG3 probably has little trade value.

Winston already does one thing better than RG3 does. He throws the ball before guys come out of their breaks. He also plays from under center. Winston would be be a huge risk, maybe too much risk, but he looks very ready for the NFL game.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1089613]Put me on the list of guys that think we will draft a QB in the first round or make a deal to get a starter within the next three years.[/quote]

That ain't happening.


[quote=skinsfan69;1089617]I've been saying this here and there, if Jameis Winston is there when we draft, the Redskins are going to have a tough decision to make.[/quote]

ROFL. I will bet my house, car and dog that we would NEVER draft Winston (or Mariota) if the situation comes up.

1) They aren't going to draft anymore QBs that excel in the spread offense. They are too far behind on the experience needed in pro-form sets to succeed. Now, the exception would be if you plan on sitting this "project" on the bench for 2-3 years, or you are Chip Kelly. Otherwise, you are wasting a draft pick.

2) No way in hell does Dan allow a QB to be drafted when he's still got his golden boy here. He paid way too much to give up on him already.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1089617]I've been saying this here and there, if Jameis Winston is there when we draft, the Redskins are going to have a tough decision to make.[/quote]

I could see drafting a new QB high and trading RGIII for a raft of picks which we then can use on the OL, DB, etc.

But Winston is not the guy for making that move. Nancy Reagan says, "Just say no to Jameis."

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[quote=NC_Skins;1089637]That ain't happening.




ROFL. I will bet my house, car and dog that we would NEVER draft Winston (or Mariota) if the situation comes up.

1) They aren't going to draft anymore QBs that excel in the spread offense. They are too far behind on the experience needed in pro-form sets to succeed. Now, the exception would be if you plan on sitting this "project" on the bench for 2-3 years, or you are Chip Kelly. Otherwise, you are wasting a draft pick.

2) No way in hell does Dan allow a QB to be drafted when he's still got his golden boy here. He paid way too much to give up on him already.[/quote]

Just an FYI, Winston plays from under center too. They could sit him and let KC play until he's ready. If I were to bet on it I would say they don't make a move, but stranger things have happened. You also have to remember that Gruden didn't draft either QB.

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[quote=Lotus;1089638]I could see drafting a new QB high and trading RGIII for a raft of picks which we then can use on the OL, DB, etc.

[B]But Winston is not the guy for making that move. Nancy Reagan says, "Just say no to Jameis."[/quote]
[/B]
I agree, he's just too immature. Can't imagine how he's going to act once he gets cash in his pocket. But if he didn't have off the field issues, and had the maturity of RG3 or Luck, it would w/out question have to be considered.

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Character counts......he does not appear to have it. The face of the francise
Yeeoooow....

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[quote=skinsfan69;1089642]Just an FYI, Winston plays from under center too. They could sit him and let KC play until he's ready. If I were to bet on it I would say they don't make a move, but stranger things have happened. You also have to remember that Gruden didn't draft either QB.[/quote]

Winston isn't Gruden's type of QB to begin with(neither is RGIII really). Besides, they aren't going to let a 1st round QB sit on the bench a couple years to progress. The owner and GM will most likely see to that because there will be extreme pressure to play him. Gruden is going to want a talent QB that's already polished enough to step in much like Kirk could. (without the turnovers though) Coaches are under extreme pressure to win. It's hard to win when you are working with raw talent that's learning stuff he should have learned during his 4 years during college. That's why I would never draft a spread offense QB unless he's sitting 2-3 years.

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Are we really having a discussion about Jameis Winston. That guy is going to be in trouble and a bust.

Please move on to fixing the defense and the Oline. You fix those are we have the playmakers to kill it on offense. Griffin included. You want to draft a late round QB to take over Captain Turnover spot go for it. Dont talk to me about Winston though unless you want to create a media firestorm all over again and have the player burned to the ground once he makes his trademark idiotic mistakes. Hide the crab cakes in Baltimore Winston is coming!

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1089660]Are we really having a discussion about Jameis Winston. That guy is going to be in trouble and a bust.

Please move on to fixing the defense and the Oline. You fix those are we have the playmakers to kill it on offense. Griffin included. You want to draft a late round QB to take over Captain Turnover spot go for it. Dont talk to me about Winston though unless you want to create a media firestorm all over again and have the player burned to the ground once he makes his trademark idiotic mistakes. Hide the crab cakes in Baltimore Winston is coming![/quote]

We're 1-5 and going nowhere except to a top 5 pick. Time to talk draft and we're not even at the halfway point!!!! :headbanger:

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[quote=skinsfan69;1089643][/B]
I agree, he's just too immature. Can't imagine how he's going to act once he gets cash in his pocket. But if he didn't have off the field issues, and had the maturity of RG3 or Luck, it would w/out question have to be considered.[/quote]

Yeah, I agree. On talent alone Jameis is da bomb. But factor in his psyche and there is no way in heck you spend a high pick on him and hand him lots of cash.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1089636]If they draft Winston, RG3 would be traded. Let's say Buffalo or the Jets gives their 1st rounder and a legit o-linemen? That would give the Skins two high draft picks and a starter. They'd have to think hard about something like that of it presented itself. Don't think it will happen as RG3 probably has little trade value.

Winston already does one thing better than RG3 does. He throws the ball before guys come out of their breaks. He also plays from under center. Winston would be be a huge risk, maybe too much risk, but he looks very ready for the NFL game.[/quote]

if the redskins draft winston i will literally stop being a redskins fan. it wouldnt even be a hard choice. no way i could root for that guy.

RG3 will be the man.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1089636]If they draft Winston, RG3 would be traded. Let's say Buffalo or the Jets gives their 1st rounder and a legit o-linemen? That would give the Skins two high draft picks and a starter. They'd have to think hard about something like that of it presented itself. Don't think it will happen as RG3 probably has little trade value.

Winston already does one thing better than RG3 does. He throws the ball before guys come out of their breaks. He also plays from under center. Winston would be be a huge risk, maybe too much risk, but he looks very ready for the NFL game.[/quote]

I like your thinking, but I seriously doubt Buffalo or the NY Jets would trade a 1st rounder AND a legit 0-lineman for RGIII. I'm doubting RGIII would command a first round pick right now. Maybe toward the end of the season, if he gets back in there and plays really well. But then again, if he gets back in there and plays really well, why trade him?

Also, do we know that Winston is reading defenses and making that committed throw before his receivers are coming out of their breaks, or is he simply throwing to the designed destination no matter what? It's kind of hard to tell on the collegiate level sometimes. Anyway, even if Winston has all the tools and smarts of a Joe Montana/Tom Brady/Drew Brees/Warren Moon.....he's a HUGE risk for off the field trouble and the Redskins have enough issues as it is.

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Seriously? We are discussing drafting Winston possibilities? Wtf? No chance that happens. RG is our guy, just need to give him some time. I have a feeling he is going to finish this season strong giving us some positivity in a very bleak year so far.

And just a side note, for all the talk about how Winston is some huge off the field risk, I don't buy it. Everyone was screaming from the hill tops about how risky Cam Newton was going to be and that seems to have been blown way out of proportion. From everything I've seen of Winston on the field, the kid can play, and I think he will hold his own in the NFL.

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lol @ drafting another QB

:doh:

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The skins should trade 3 first round picks with Jacksonville or Oakland to make sure they get that number one pick.

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At this point ride the RGIII bus unti lthe wheels completely fall off or hopefully stay o nand spin. In the meantime build a team around him OL and secondary. If RG3 fails then at the very least you have a strong team to build around your new QB.

RG3 is cheap at this point so money that would go to a veteran QB can be better spent on true areas of need. At this point wasting a draft pick or FA ($) on a QB is foolish.

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Maybe we can just use FA to address our other needs. We have all our picks this year right, and will likely have high picks. Why not trade down and draft 3 QB's in the first couple rounds and have them battle it out for the starting job?

lol

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[quote=mlmdub130;1089769]Seriously? We are discussing drafting Winston possibilities? Wtf? No chance that happens. RG is our guy, just need to give him some time. I have a feeling he is going to finish this season strong giving us some positivity in a very bleak year so far.

And just a side note, for all the talk about how Winston is some huge off the field risk, I don't buy it. [B]Everyone was screaming from the hill tops about how risky Cam Newton was going to be and that seems to have been blown way out of proportion.[/B] From everything I've seen of Winston on the field, the kid can play, and I think he will hold his own in the NFL.[/quote]

Newton was deemed a risk b/c he was flamboyant and questions existed as to his ability to be "pro-ready" day 1.

Winston is a risk b/c he is an accused rapist, thief and general head case. Big difference.

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[quote=Mattyk;1089781]lol @ drafting another QB

:doh:[/quote]

This.

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Just to clarify, what I meant by liking how skinsfan69 thinks is the mere fact of being able to trade a player for draft picks and accumulate multiple high round picks to help fill out the roster, all the while drafting a guy who appears to fill the position of said traded player just fine.

Obviously though, I don't agree for a second that trading Robert Griffin III is even remotely something the Redskins should do. To me, he's shown flashes of being a franchise quarterback, but he has to do that on a consistent basis and most importantly, stay healthy. I don't really understand the suicide dives off the RGIII bandwagon, but I understand that until he plays a full season, there's always going to be some room for concern.

But if anything, Cousins has solidified my fanatic following of one Robert Griffin III. I like Cousins and think both him and Robert are high quality character guys, and he's someone you still would like to have on your team in a backup role, but we can clearly see Cousins is not the answer. And what keeps RGIII from being the answer won't be because of his play, but his health. I expect Robert to come in and play well. But I'm very concerned about him staying healthy. Which goes back to what I've been repeating over and over again - improve that offensive line, and that will fix a lot of problems.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1089790]Newton was deemed a risk b/c he was flamboyant and questions existed as to his ability to be "pro-ready" day 1.

Winston is a risk b/c he is an accused rapist, thief and general head case. Big difference.[/quote]I thought Newton was a risk partly because he stole laptops at Florida or some such mess.

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[quote=Chico23231;1089625]Brady is a tall skinny rail.[/quote]

Your right,thats a good example.
But Im sure you know Brady doesnt take hits like Griffin.Griffin probably takes more hits in a game{some his fault,some off line] than Brady does in a season

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Ideally Griffin should be Joe Montana and Randall Cunningham rolled into one, but if he's merely as good as Russell Wilson, I'll be happy with that.

But first he's got to stay healthy

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[quote=over the mountain;1089673]if the redskins draft winston i will literally stop being a redskins fan. it wouldnt even be a hard choice. no way i could root for that guy.

RG3 will be the man.[/quote]

Yeah right. If they drafted him and he became a great QB you'd be on the bandwagon.

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[quote=skinsguy;1089739]I like your thinking, but I seriously doubt Buffalo or the NY Jets would trade a 1st rounder AND a legit 0-lineman for RGIII. I'm doubting RGIII would command a first round pick right now. Maybe toward the end of the season, if he gets back in there and plays really well. But then again, if he gets back in there and plays really well, why trade him?

Also, do we know that Winston is reading defenses and making that committed throw before his receivers are coming out of their breaks, or is he simply throwing to the designed destination no matter what? It's kind of hard to tell on the collegiate level sometimes. Anyway, even if Winston has all the tools and smarts of a Joe Montana/Tom Brady/Drew Brees/Warren Moon.....he's a HUGE risk for off the field trouble and the Redskins have enough issues as it is.[/quote]

I just think he's every bit as good or better than Luck was. He calls out protections, he's under center, he's running a complex NFL type of offense. To top it off he actually gets good grades. Yeah he's a knucklehead, probably needs to grow up, but like I said, if he's there I'd think about it. I don't think Gruden is in love with RG3 and doesn't have patience to develop him. Anyway...just a thought.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1089790]Newton was deemed a risk b/c he was flamboyant and questions existed as to his ability to be "pro-ready" day 1.

Winston is a risk b/c he is an accused rapist, thief and general head case. Big difference.[/quote]

Two witnesses said it was consensual. He stole some crab legs and yelled something stupid. He needs to grow up but it would not stop me from drafting him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1089839]Two witnesses said it was consensual. He stole some crab legs and yelled something stupid. He needs to grow up but it would not stop me from drafting him.[/quote]
Deep breath Vinnie.....
The dude has character....issues. The 2k autograph will soon bite him in the ass. Who knows what tidbits are yet to be mined by some enterprising reporter type? It should be quite entertaining. But I did hear Chris Carter say something that was both smart and entertaining (unheard of by CC). He said all this stuff will determine is what round he goes. Won't risk a one....how bout rd 2 or 3?

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[quote=Hog1;1089855]Deep breath Vinnie.....
The dude has character....issues. The 2k autograph will soon bite him in the ass. Who knows what tidbits are yet to be mined by some enterprising reporter type? It should be quite entertaining. But I did hear Chris Carter say something that was both smart and entertaining (unheard of by CC). He said all this stuff will determine is what round he goes. Won't risk a one....how bout rd 2 or 3?[/quote]

Taking the 2k wouldn't bother me at all. Who cares? FSU is making waaaaaay more than 2k on his jersey sales. Really the only thing so far that's worrisome about Winston is the stealing crab legs. Really stupid.

He won't last until the 2nd round. No way.

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Your right the revenue from the 2k autographs could be as much as 40k. More importantly, he breaks the rules with abandon. Violates policies the same. Moreover, other atrocities will no doubt turn up. Maybe worst of all. The statement he yelled in the cafeteria is just.....classless.......Trash
No Thanx

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Rg doesnt need Wilsons blueprint. Kid played one and a half a series of game with the brace off. He just needs to get healthy.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1089827]Your right,thats a good example.
But Im sure you know Brady doesnt take hits like Griffin.Griffin probably takes more hits in a game{some his fault,some off line] than Brady does in a season[/quote]

Yeah, Id really didnt notice till I went to camp and got to see the Patriots vs Skins here in Richmond. One thing about Brady, he is known to whine when taking hits to his Oline and the refs. Ive heard that from player interviews.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1089790]Newton was deemed a risk b/c he was flamboyant and questions existed as to his ability to be "pro-ready" day 1.



Winston is a risk b/c he is an accused rapist, thief and general head case. Big difference.[/QUOTE]


I'll agree the accused rapist part is a very red flag, but it's still only an accusation, you know that better than anyone. And don't tell me your buying the stealing crab legs thing? I'd bet my house there have been over 100 players before him that have done the same thing at that store, this time someone wanted to call him out.

Newton on the other hand, took someone's laptop, painted it black and wrote Cam Newton on it. Then when the cops came to his dorm, he threw it out the window. A little worse than walking out with some free crab legs IMO.

All I'm saying is at the end of the day it's hard to judge these kids in college on what they will be based off of an incident or two in college. But it does make good headlines.

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[quote=mlmdub130;1089866]I'll agree the accused rapist part is a very red flag, but it's still only an accusation, you know that better than anyone. And don't tell me your buying the stealing crab legs thing? I'd bet my house there have been over 100 players before him that have done the same thing at that store, this time someone wanted to call him out.

Newton on the other hand, took someone's laptop, painted it black and wrote Cam Newton on it. Then when the cops came to his dorm, he threw it out the window. A little worse than walking out with some free crab legs IMO.

All I'm saying is at the end of the day it's hard to judge these kids in college on what they will be based off of an incident or two in college. But it does make good headlines.[/quote]What is there to "buy" about the crab legs? Winston shoplifted, in a stupid retarded manner to boot. There have been 100 other players like him, yeah like cam newton, they are just as stupid as winston.

Dude, a speeding ticket analogy is more appropriate. When u get one, chances are its not the first time u sped. Question for NFL GMs is, how many other stupid things has winston done? And can he still play like Newton or Vick?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1089790]Newton was deemed a risk b/c he was flamboyant and questions existed as to his ability to be "pro-ready" day 1.

Winston is a risk b/c he is an accused rapist, thief and general head case. Big difference.[/quote]

Considering that Cam stole a computer and threw it out the window in an attempt to hide it from the cops. Im not exactly sold on it being a big difference. That clearly makes Cam a thief and throwing it out the window to hide it from cops takes care of the head case part. Now if anyone has any accusations that Cam is a rapist, we can call it a trifecta and declare them one and the same.

Winston has at least faced his issues and didnt transfer multiple times until he got paid... I mean, found the right situation for him. Winston is a dumbshit for sure, but the only difference between Cam and Winston is that Cam has matured in the NFL and is turning into a good NFL QB where Winston hasnt had that chance yet.

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Truth be told, I don't want such a guy on the team, even if he turned out to be the best player ever

Even if he is innocent of rape (and that's a big if considering all the rape that goes on in US colleges), he's the type of guy who attracts nothing but bad.

Skins have problems on the field, but one of the things I like about our players is for the most part we haven't had any big scandals from them in a long time (correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't heard of skins players beating their wives, raping some girl, hazing and bullying other players, etc.)

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Bottom line is we have two QB's in their 3rd year. RG3 has yet to prove he can run an NFL offense, he struggled in preseason and he's injury prone. KC really does a lot of things well in this offense, but can he kick these turnovers and is he mentally tough enough to overcome it? Two question marks at QB on a bad team. All I'm saying is I would not cross the best QB coming out of the draft off my list.