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[quote=calia;1093454]^ I would too, although they'd have to understand that it would be as backups (if RGIII is playing well through season's end and is the annointed starter). McCoy might get an offer to compete for a starting spot elsewhere; not so sure about Counsins.[/quote]

Wait, RGIII is the anointed starter, make no mistake about that. We spent way too much for that not to be the case. Barring injury, he will remain the anointed starter for a good long time, even with less than stellar performances. There's just no way we abandon that dynamic anytime soon for sure not through next year...

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[quote=calia;1093454]^ I would too, although they'd have to understand that it would be as backups (if RGIII is playing well through season's end and is the annointed starter). McCoy might get an offer to compete for a starting spot elsewhere; not so sure about Counsins.[/quote]

I doubt McCoy will start elsewhere. Accuracy is okay but his arm is a straight up noodle. Then again there are teams hurting for a starter (I'm looking at you Bucs and Raiders)

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1093456]Wait, RGIII is the anointed starter, make no mistake about that. We spent way too much for that not to be the case. [B]Barring injury, he will remain the anointed starter for a good long time, even with less than stellar performances.[/B] There's just no way we abandon that dynamic anytime soon for sure not through next year...[/quote]

I don't think Gruden feels the same way you do.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1093457]I doubt McCoy will start elsewhere. Accuracy is okay but his arm is a straight up noodle. Then again there are teams hurting for a starter (I'm looking at you Bucs and Raiders)[/quote]

Spot on.

Even though he is often successful (DJax has bailed him out more than once), watching McCoy go deep is painful.

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See if Griffin can stay healthy and see if defense has any players.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1093458]I don't think Gruden feels the same way you do.[/quote]

I agree with this post. If anyone thinks Gruden will stick with RGIII just because what we sacrificed to get him, I don't think you have the measure of the man. RGIII will have to produce -- I don't mean light it up, but he will need to demonstrate that he can (a) stay healthy, and (b) develop as a passer (running will not suffice). If by season's end, he's averaging 200 yards passing per game, 1 TD, and 1 INT (or something pedestrian like that), I would fully expect the coaching staff to look at the QB position anew come 2015 and open it up to some competition.

If, on the other hand, RGIII can put up more respectable numbers, I do think he enters 2015 as the annointed starter, and I surely hope he does given the holes we need to fill elsewhere.

As for McCoy, you all are a tough crowd. The guy hadn't played in 3 years, and in his first start back he throws for just under 300 yards, 1 TD, and 1 INT -- AND has gutsy game tying and winning drives. (Oh, and that was after bailing us out against the Titans the week before.) I don't disagree his arm strength does not rival that of many starters, but I would bet that there are a few teams that would see that performance and think that he's at least someone that could compete with their incumbentduring training camp.

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So for the Redskins may I propose the only than better than 1 first round Baylor QB is [B]TWO[/B] Baylor first round QB's.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1093449]Which is why I didn't understand all the people that insisted on keeping him on the bench.[/QUOTE]


I was in favor of that because the season was still alive. Simply wanted to give Colt one more week and have Griff even more ready for the home stretch. Had i known our D was going to shit the bed so bad I would have wanted to see another week of Griff.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1093458]I don't think Gruden feels the same way you do.[/quote]

Snyder/Allen want RG3 to play. Is Gruden really that Ballsy that he'd risk being fired? I see Snyder saying something like - "We brought you here to develop RG3, if you don't want to do that i will find someone that will"...

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1093467]Snyder/Allen want RG3 to play. Is Gruden really that Ballsy that he'd risk being fired?[B] I see Snyder saying something like - "We brought you here to develop RG3, if you don't want to do that i will find someone that will[/B]"...[/quote]
I am....confident that this sort of baseless, idle speculation, and gossip is considered of great...value....somewhere

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You guys are getting the wrong idea about me and my opinion that Dan Snyder / Bruce Allen are deciding who starts at QB.

What i am trying to say is that there is alot invested in RG3. While it might be bad for our record, they have to give him every chance to succeed here before someone makes the call that he is a bust, or not the "guy" here in DC.

I'm just saying that Gruden will likely have to see alot more out of RG3 before he can be very confident saying to ownership that RG3 is not the guy and that someone else is better suited. It is still kind of early for that. I think he finishes out this year, and if his play is just mediocre as it has been, then they look at the QB position in the off-season...

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Atleast watching this 7 week RG-3 audition gives me a reason to watch. N make no bones about it thats what this is. The absolute worse thing in the world would be if he gets hurt. Id rather know if he is or isnt our guy as im sure everyone would.

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If RG3 can throw to spots and not hesitate the offense will get on track. If the line can do their job and trust each other, they will get on track. If Barry Cofield can get back to form on the d-line the pass rush will become more effective. The Corners have to bump more and Kennan Robinson needs to cover the TE more. Morris need to take advantage of the lanes RG3 presence creates. RG3 needs to throw to the open man not the primary target. Look long to short in his progressions. We can start winning some games.

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^^^ all 3 posts above me are spot on imo.

just hope he stays healthy so we finally get some answers on RG3.

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[quote=Hog1;1093468]I am....confident that this sort of baseless, idle speculation, and gossip is considered of great...value....somewhere[/quote]

you come across as an ahole. you can disagree with someones opinion without being condescending.

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......noted
Btw, if you have not had enough of the Dan/Bruce/mgmt/grassy knowl/
Jerry Jones style control conspiracy????
Then you're an idiot as well

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Is it possible that Gruden, Bruce, and Danny are on the same page?

I just don't see how Gruden could expect to come into this (or any) head coach position and be able to scrap the expected franchise QB in the first year.

I mean we've heard reports that, he wanted to start Cousins at the beginning of the season, and he wanted to start McCoy last week, but maybe he simply was saying that his opinion is that they provided the best chance of winning right now, and that RG3 had a long way to develop. Does that mean he thought that is what they [I]should[/I] be doing? Does it mean that he is in disagreement with the FO? I sure hope not, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but . . . If he is, then I think I would have to side with Danny and Bruce on this one. I'm for the long term success of the team, and clearly RG3 is right now the best shot we have at a franchise QB. He has to play to develop.

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[QUOTE=Hog1;1093521]......noted

Btw, if you have not had enough of the Dan/Bruce/mgmt/grassy knowl/

Jerry Jones style control conspiracy????

Then you're an idiot as well[/QUOTE]


Several posters on this board have alluded to the fact that DS wanted Griff to play. Several posters on this board have alluded to the fact that this sort of thing happens all over the league. Not sure why you would classify the owner and HC not being on the same page as the stuff of conspiracies? Seems pretty normal to me.

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[quote=WillH;1093522]Is it possible that Gruden, Bruce, and Danny are on the same page?

I just don't see how Gruden could expect to come into this (or any) head coach position and be able to scrap the expected franchise QB in the first year.

I mean we've heard reports that, he wanted to start Cousins at the beginning of the season, and he wanted to start McCoy last week, but maybe he simply was saying that his opinion is that they provided the best chance of winning right now, and that RG3 had a long way to develop. Does that mean he thought that is what they [I]should[/I] be doing? [B]Does it mean that he is in disagreement with the FO? I sure hope not, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but . . . If he is, then I think I would have to side with Danny and Bruce on this one. I'm for the long term success of the team, and clearly RG3 is right now the best shot we have at a franchise QB. He has to play to develop.[/B][/quote]

So if it comes down to Griffin or Gruden, who would stay? Let's say Gruden wants to move on from Griffin, either because of the injury risk or because he eventually decides Griffin will never amount to much, and Snyder and Allen have to make the choice to either fire the new coach or cut the QB they've invested so much in...

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[QUOTE=SirLK26;1093530]So if it comes down to Griffin or Gruden, who would stay? Let's say Gruden wants to move on from Griffin, either because of the injury risk or because he eventually decides Griffin will never amount to much, and Snyder and Allen have to make the choice to either fire the new coach or cut the QB they've invested so much in...[/QUOTE]


I tried to ask SS his opinion on this same thing the other day.

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Lets talk about what happens when Griffin succeed and utilizes the both his legs and arm to create wins for the Redskins. Who will be the first to eat crow?

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;1093540]Lets talk about what happens when Griffin succeed and utilizes the both his legs and arm to create wins for the Redskins. Who will be the first to eat crow?[/QUOTE]


I have certainly said that I do not think Griff will be the future star that we all thought we had in 2012. I will gladly eat every last feather if he proves me wrong.

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[quote=SirLK26;1093530]So if it comes down to Griffin or Gruden, who would stay? Let's say Gruden wants to move on from Griffin, either because of the injury risk or because he eventually decides Griffin will never amount to much, and Snyder and Allen have to make the choice to either fire the new coach or cut the QB they've invested so much in...[/quote]

Right now, Gruden and Griffin both need to have an opportunity to prove themselves.

I honestly don't think they'd choose Griffin if he was clearly not improving after next year, but, for there to be any argument [U]right now[/U] as to whether or not to let Robert play and try to develop is crazy. Also, they don't necessarily need to let either go. If Griffin isn't performing by the end of the year, I think Gruden would be justified in bringing in some competition, and all signs point to this being the plan.

If there is tension / disagreement going on right now though, I think I'd put the blame on Gruden (unless there is something Griffin is doing that we don't know about that has caused Gruden to be soured on him). I mean, has he really given Griffin a legitimate chance to prove himself yet? No, so if he is undermining everyone because he wants a different QB, then he might have to go.

I tend to believe that he is just being straight forward and realistic about the development of his QB's. He thought Cousins was farther along, and he thinks Griffin has a lot to learn, and he will see how things play out. I haven't heard anything that makes me believe that Danny or Bruce have any issue with the way he's handling the situation except that maybe they told him that he has to play Griffin right now, which leads me to believe that it is more likely that they are on the same page then it is that they are at odds.

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[quote=SirLK26;1093530]So if it comes down to Griffin or Gruden, who would stay? Let's say Gruden wants to move on from Griffin, either because of the injury risk or because he eventually decides Griffin will never amount to much, and Snyder and Allen have to make the choice to either fire the new coach or cut the QB they've invested so much in...[/quote]


Not saying the front office would think this way, but if I'm in the front office, I have to think of the investment in Griffin already being paid and used. The best time to get rid of Griffin would be before his rookie contract is up. By that point, Griffin is either the franchise quarterback this team has needed, or he's not. I don't think you can blame Gruden either way. Gruden didn't ask for Griffin nor Cousins. I think you allow Gruden the opportunity to go out and find "his guy" in terms of quarterback and see who's best for the position.

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Whats the point of starting Cousins or McCoy the rest of the year?

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[QUOTE=Evilgrin;1093548]Whats the point of starting Cousins or McCoy the rest of the year?[/QUOTE]


Whats the punchline?

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[quote=punch it in;1093533]I tried to ask SS his opinion on this same thing the other day.[/quote]

I don't remember that, but Gruden has yet to prove anything to Snyder. Right now, Griffin is in the driver's seat if choosing one or the other

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1093550]I don't remember that, but Gruden has yet to prove anything to Snyder. Right now, Griffin is in the driver's seat if choosing one or the other[/QUOTE]


Thanks...it was after you had enlightened me on about a dozen previous questions...i just figured you might have other things to do. Lol.
As I ponder the question there are two basic scenarios:
1) Griffin plays well the rest of the year and both Gruden and Snyder are thrilled.
2) Griffin does not play well the rest of the year. Than what? Does Snyder just give him another offseason to "get it"? Is he still in the driver seat in other words?
There is always the injury scenario but we will leave that alone.

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[quote=punch it in;1093551]Thanks...it was after you had enlightened me on about a dozen previous questions...i just figured you might have other things to do. Lol.
As I ponder the question there are two basic scenarios:
1) Griffin plays well the rest of the year and both Gruden and Snyder are thrilled.
2) Griffin does not play well the rest of the year. Than what? Does Snyder just give him another offseason to "get it"? Is he still in the driver seat in other words?
There is always the injury scenario but we will leave that alone.[/quote]

With the investment we have in him, RGIII will absolutely get another offseason to "get it." Should he? Probably not, but, barring injury, he's firmly in place through next year. After that, I think all bets are off.

I know that sounds like he's on a very long leash, and he is, but remember what the organization gave uo for him. Right or wrong, the front office will not write that off until 2015 is over. My opinion, and if SS thinks otherwise, I'll jump ship with him immediately...

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I have no idea how long the leash is, but I would have to guess that its length is directly proportional to how well he plays the rest of this season. Show some promise, even if there are hiccups, and then it's pretty long. Have a Dalton-esque performace or two (or get injured again, even if the injury isn't season-ending), I suspect it is fairly short. Personally, I would love to see him light it up and shut up all detractors once and for all.

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[QUOTE=SCRedskinsFan;1093554]With the investment we have in him, RGIII will absolutely get another offseason to "get it." Should he? Probably not, but, barring injury, he's firmly in place through next year. After that, I think all bets are off.



I know that sounds like he's on a very long leash, and he is, but remember what the organization gave uo for him. Right or wrong, the front office will not write that off until 2015 is over. My opinion, and if SS thinks otherwise, I'll jump ship with him immediately...[/QUOTE]


I think you are rite. (Unless SS disagrees - than i jump ship too. Lol). Seriously what you say makes sense. The thing is I like Jay Gruden alot. Just something about him I appreciate and I hope at the end of it all - no matter what becomes of Griff - that he is still our HC. Ideally That Griff becomes great under his watch of course.

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I like Gruden too. Straight shooter without the silly evasive nonsense that Shanny (and Hoodie) pull with the media, which has always struck me as childish. I thought the way he called out the amatuerish reporting was terrific, and it wasn't eye-rolling, evasions -- he took it head on and then moved to the next question.

I also like that he has a sense of humor -- that job has a lot of pressure, and I think being able to chuckle from time to time is going to help against burnout.

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Who doesn't want a fairytale ending here, with Gruden committing to Griffin and Griffin responding with 10 years of outstanding quarterback play and a Super Bowl or two? That said, if it actually comes down to a choice between the two, Gruden should be the guy to stay IMO. Griffin is the closest thing we've had to a franchise quarterback in a long time, but he'll likely never reach that potential if we keep changing coaches. I love what I see out of Gruden and definitely think he's capable of finding a quarterback he's comfortable with(even if not as talented as Griffin) and then winning.

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[quote=SirLK26;1093560]Who doesn't want a fairytale ending here, with Gruden committing to Griffin and Griffin responding with 10 years of outstanding quarterback play and a Super Bowl or two? That said, if it actually comes down to a choice between the two, Gruden should be the guy to stay IMO. Griffin is the closest thing we've had to a franchise quarterback in a long time, but he'll likely never reach that potential if we keep changing coaches. I love what I see out of Gruden and definitely think he's capable of finding a quarterback he's comfortable with(even if not as talented as Griffin) and then winning.[/quote]

^^^^
DITTO

Can't believe I said that.....

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So are we going back to a 4-3. This 3-4 thing always felt strange to me and it has never worked. I miss the days of having pass rushing DE's (Mann and Manley) and runstuffing DT (Butz any one) The 3-4 was a cute fad but its time to go. I see Kerrigan and Orakpo (if he stays) playing great with their hands in the dirt. Hatcher could play that scheme but the rest of those fat, unathletic DT's have to go.

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[quote=SweatTheDetails;1093578]So are we going back to a 4-3. This 3-4 thing always felt strange to me and it has never worked. I miss the days of having pass rushing DE's (Mann and Manley) and runstuffing DT (Butz any one) The 3-4 was a cute fad but its time to go. I see Kerrigan and Orakpo (if he stays) playing great with their hands in the dirt. Hatcher could play that scheme but the rest of those fat, unathletic DT's have to go.[/quote]

Rak is not staying.

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[quote=SweatTheDetails;1093578]So are we going back to a 4-3. This 3-4 thing always felt strange to me and it has never worked. I miss the days of having pass rushing DE's (Mann and Manley) and runstuffing DT (Butz any one) The 3-4 was a cute fad but its time to go. I see Kerrigan and Orakpo (if he stays) playing great with their hands in the dirt. Hatcher could play that scheme but the rest of those fat, unathletic DT's have to go.[/quote]

If we do, and I think its probable, it much less painful than going from a 4-3 to a 3-4 imo. Just need to find a MLB

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It will be a damn shame if Rak leaves for a 4-3 defense and kicks ass, which he will, and then we switch to a 4-3. It'd be quintessential Redskins though.

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[quote=Rotten1980;1093583]It will be a damn shame if Rak leaves for a 4-3 defense and kicks ass, which he will, and then we switch to a 4-3. It'd be quintessential Redskins though.[/quote]

What makes you so sure he becomes an all pro in a 4-3 defense? He still got to go up against tackles?

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[quote=SweatTheDetails;1093578]So are we going back to a 4-3. This 3-4 thing always felt strange to me and it has never worked. I miss the days of having pass rushing DE's (Mann and Manley) and runstuffing DT (Butz any one) The 3-4 was a cute fad but its time to go. I see Kerrigan and Orakpo (if he stays) playing great with their hands in the dirt. Hatcher could play that scheme but the rest of those fat, unathletic DT's have to go.[/quote]

Half the teams in the league run a 3-4 so it's a bit more than a fad.

In the end it's all about the players anyway.