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[quote=Lotus;1098744]Let me offer two responses to your post:

1) Please understand that the problem is not what Fletcher said (most people agree), but how he said it. Someone can criticize Haslett without being a jerk about it.

or

2) Rotten, are you completely stupid? The point about the tone of Fletch's remarks has been made again and again in this thread but your pea-sized brain still doesn't get it. I've seen carpets with more brains than you!

See the difference? BTW response 2 was for demonstration only, I do not in fact think that you are dumber than a carpet nor am I trying to insult you.[/quote]

These are NFL players and coaches, right? I'm not worried about their sensitivity, feelings etc. lol and I don't think anyone should. Are you really bent out of shape because Fletcher was a "jerk" lol? Seriously?

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

If someone needs to explain to you why Fletcher is an asshole, you're probably an asshole too.

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[quote=Rotten1980;1098746]These are NFL players and coaches, right? I'm not worried about their sensitivity, feelings etc. lol and I don't think anyone should. Are you really bent out of shape because Fletcher was a "jerk" lol? Seriously?[/quote]

I thought that we all have a moral responsibility to care about the feelings of all other humans, including those in the NFL.

Instead you inform me that it is perfectly acceptable to treat NFL people as punching bags without having to be "worried about their sensitivity, feelings etc."

My bad for thinking that considerateness toward others is important.

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

[quote=Mattyk;1098748]If someone needs to explain to you why Fletcher is an asshole, you're probably an asshole too.[/quote]

You're missing the point. Fletcher being an asshole isn't a story, at all. There's a bigger picture (team culture and how Haslett is involved as a bad coach), meanwhile a bunch of folks are standing around pointing at the description next to the frame.

Look at the fucking picture folks lol

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

[QUOTE=Rotten1980;1098756]You're missing the point. Fletcher being an asshole isn't a story, at all. There's a bigger picture (team culture and how Haslett is involved as a bad coach), meanwhile a bunch of folks are standing around pointing at the description next to the frame.



Look at the fucking picture folks lol[/QUOTE]


It is part of the story, sorry.

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Sorry I'm not sorry ;)

Really not trying to pick at any of you. Just saying I don't care as much about the messenger as the message itself.

No offense intended to anyone's feelings. Scratch that, Haslett can screw off. His feelings don't matter. Lol

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[quote=Mattyk;1098748]If someone needs to explain to you why Fletcher is an asshole, you're probably an asshole too.[/quote]

I think that needs to be on a bumper sticker!

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[quote=Mattyk;1098757]It is part of the story, sorry.[/quote]

Especially when the guy saying it was once known as one of the "classiest" players in the NFL.

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

If one refuses to speak up productively about the dysfunction of their job at the time, they shouldn't be a d-bag about it after the fact.

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

Wow, we're blaming London for pointing out the obvious instead of celebrating him for pointing the finger where it belongs.


...be nice London, be nice to Jim! It's OK to call zero blitz on 2nd and 20 now and then.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1098779]If one refuses to speak up productively about the dysfunction of their job at the time, they shouldn't be a d-bag about it after the fact.[/quote]

You ever heard the term don't shit where you eat? No? Ask Percy Harvin!

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

[quote=saden1;1098781]Wow, we're blaming London for pointing out the obvious instead of celebrating him for pointing the finger where it belongs.


...be nice London, be nice to Jim! It's OK to call zero blitz on 2nd and 20 now and then.[/quote]

Yeah! You see the big picture, what is everybody else looking at?

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

DeAngelo Hall and others have said that Shanahan called for those Cover Zeros. 99% positive Hall (or maybe someone else) even said it while Shanahan was here "Shanahan loves to call that cover zero"

As for London-Haslett. Haslett's underachieved, even with the obstacles laid in front of him. He and Raheem are the leaders of that coaching staff and both should be let go as soon as the season ends.

But for all the times staff, coaches, players, media looked the other way and protected this image of London Fletcher, for all the times he missed assignments on the field, for all the times he didn't allow better/healthier players to take the field to preserve his "ironman" streak, for all the times Haslett-even though the relationship was strained-praised London publicly despite his shortcomings. For all that, London repays him like this? Fuck London Fletcher

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

[quote=saden1;1098782]You ever heard the term don't shit where you eat? No? Ask Percy Harvin![/quote]

There is a huge difference between what Percy Harvin did and being proactive in trying to resolve a problem. You have never voiced dissatisfaction with something where you work?

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^ ahhh I get it now. But still, fuck Fletcher and Haslett, and Haslett is the one the team can do something about.

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[quote=saden1;1098781]Wow, we're blaming London for pointing out the obvious instead of celebrating him for pointing the finger where it belongs.


...[/quote]


No, others aren't ,they are saying if you want to call someone out fine , just don't use the children of the person you want to call out ,that is classless .

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1098784]DeAngelo Hall and others have said that Shanahan called for those Cover Zeros. 99% positive Hall (or maybe someone else) even said it while Shanahan was here "Shanahan loves to call that cover zero"



As for London-Haslett. Haslett's underachieved, even with the obstacles laid in front of him. He and Raheem are the leaders of that coaching staff and both should be let go as soon as the season ends.



But for all the times staff, coaches, players, media looked the other way and protected this image of London Fletcher, for all the times he missed assignments on the field, for all the times he didn't allow better/healthier players to take the field to preserve his "ironman" streak, for all the times Haslett-even though the relationship was strained-praised London publicly despite his shortcomings. For all that, London repays him like this? Fuck London Fletcher[/QUOTE]


This is the big picture folks.

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Yeah i forgot the lame ironman streak thing...I really have a problem with the whole thing, but to go after his kid like that as well, what kind of a man does that? That is truely repulsive

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

I must admit, this has changed my respect and admiration towards LF........
...shame

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1098785]There is a huge difference between what Percy Harvin did and being proactive in trying to resolve a problem. You have never voiced dissatisfaction with something where you work?[/quote]

My view is that sanctification and dissatisfaction are personal and temporal in nature and irrelevant to decision making in the workplace. The workplace is about collaboration and having empirical data to support positive change or innovation.

Since none of us were in the locker room with Fletcher it's hard to know what kind of changes he tried to bring about while on the team. And now that he is not on the team and he is able to speak freely about his experience in the locker room I think we need to appropriate that instead of thinking he is an asshole for speaking up.

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

^its official, your just trolling now

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[quote=Giantone;1098792]No, others aren't ,they are saying if you want to call someone out fine , just don't use the children of the person you want to call out ,that is classless .[/quote]

Chase Hasslett entered the conversation out of his own volition and we are not talking about a 10 yo here. I do think London shouldn't have addressed him at all since he's not worth responding to but I ain't mad about it.

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1098784]DeAngelo Hall and others have said that Shanahan called for those Cover Zeros. 99% positive Hall (or maybe someone else) even said it while Shanahan was here "Shanahan loves to call that cover zero"

As for London-Haslett. Haslett's underachieved, even with the obstacles laid in front of him. He and Raheem are the leaders of that coaching staff and both should be let go as soon as the season ends.

But for all the times staff, coaches, players, media looked the other way and protected this image of London Fletcher, for all the times he missed assignments on the field, for all the times he didn't allow better/healthier players to take the field to preserve his "ironman" streak, for all the times Haslett-even though the relationship was strained-praised London publicly despite his shortcomings. For all that, London repays him like this? Fuck London Fletcher[/quote]

Mike Shanahan isn't there anymore so who is going to get blamed now? Perhaps the problem wasn't Shanahan but Haslett? Perhaps Like Fletcher Shanahan recognized his futility?


...you know me, I don't even blame Haslett he's just a squirrel trying to get a nut from the ultimate numbnut.

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[quote=Hog1;1098798]I must admit, this has changed my respect and admiration towards LF........
...shame[/quote]

Ditto. Matich and Mitchell have given some brutal well deserved criticisms this year. They have called out players and coaches as harsh as anyone has. Every criticism they have made seems valid and coming from a genuine desire to see improvement.

The tone and purpose of Fletcher's statements about Haslett seem totally different. It sounds personal and self-serving.

As a fan, you never really know what happens behind the scenes and what people are really like when the cameras are off but the personal attack on a guy who carried him last year seems unfair.

That being said, I hope he doesn't return as D coordinator next year.

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

Yea its not like we don't get on here and say some of the most awful stuff about players,coaches,owners….

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

[quote=saden1;1098800] And now that he is not on the team and he is able to speak freely about his experience in the locker room I think we need to appropriate that instead of thinking he is an asshole for speaking up.[/quote]


WE don't ,you on the other hand refuse to admit that it wasn't what he said but the manner in which he did it ,that has many people calling him out .If your neighbor thinks your an ass, should he address you or your kids about it ?

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[quote=rocnrik;1098807]Yea its not like we don't get on here and say some of the most awful stuff about players,coaches,owners….[/quote]

But we're just some schmoes and the majority of us really have no idea how the inner workings of an NFL front office and behind the scenes coaching decisions actually work. We just voice our opinion on what we see and hear.

They don't give a shit about us and what we think.

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

This thread is effing stoopid.
I had totally forgotten about Fletcher till this crap came up.
Is it draft day yet?

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

[quote=Giantone;1098792]No, others aren't ,they are saying if you want to call someone out fine , just don't use the children of the person you want to call out ,that is classless .[/quote]

K I don't know this for sure but it's not a toddler, gradeschool or teen we're talking about here. Grown adult.

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

[QUOTE=Rotten1980;1098835]K I don't know this for sure but it's not a toddler, gradeschool or teen we're talking about here. Grown adult.[/QUOTE]


He's 22, born Aug. 92', I don't get the whole don't go after a guys kid thing. I mean Chase called him out on twitter, saying why are you trying to destroy my fathers career, London replied he's ruined plenty of players careers. Unless I'm missing something I don't get why everyone says he went after Haslets kid. He responded to him.

What London did obviously rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, but in this day and age of making a name for yourself I'm not really all the surprised. He doesn't like the guy and came out and said so publicly. At least he isn't hiding behind some "report". I could care less, Haslett sucks, London obvious has some venom, sounds like he's a dick too, but who gives a shit, we still can't win a effing game.

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[quote=Rotten1980;1098835]K I don't know this for sure but it's not a toddler, gradeschool or teen we're talking about here. Grown adult.[/quote]

They are looking for a tactful way to say Haslett is a clueless backstabber. They want to hear "Haslett doesn't quite know what he is doing out there and I think he shouldn't have thrown Shannahan under the bus the way he did."


...same thing really but it makes people feel good. Everyone gets a star and a smiley face!

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Fletcher could have called him out as a bad coordinator without making it personal. Not sure why this is so hard for some to understand. Assholes gotta stick together I guess.

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;1098820]But we're just some schmoes and the majority of us really have no idea how the inner workings of an NFL front office and behind the scenes coaching decisions actually work. We just voice our opinion on what we see and hear.

They don't give a shit about us and what we think.[/quote]

Yea I have to agree with you..but sometimes You read post on forums and guys really do think they have all the answers..it gets old..peace!

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

[quote=saden1;1098845]They are looking for a tactful way to say Haslett is a clueless backstabber. They want to hear "Haslett doesn't quite know what he is doing out there and I think he shouldn't have thrown Shannahan under the bus the way he did."


...same thing really but it makes people feel good. Everyone gets a star and a smiley face![/quote]

Aww ok. Social norms often pass me by. But I get it now.

And double fuck Hasslet.

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[quote=Mattyk;1098852]Fletcher could have called him out as a bad coordinator without making it personal. Not sure why this is so hard for some to understand. [B]Assholes gotta stick together I guess.[/B][/quote]

Yup. It's the way the world works: assholes are tolerable only to other assholes.

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

I'm fine with Fletcher calling Haslett out, but he should have been more tactful about it. And saying what he did to Chase Haslett was an inexcusable d*ck move.

But combine Fletcher's very strong opinion on Haslett being a two-faced apple with the fact that Haslett covered for some of his wife-beating players in New Orleans, and you have to ask: we're ripping Fletcher for being an ass to [I]this[/I] guy? Yeah, I know Haslett covered for Fletcher here, and that's why I think if Fletcher wanted to call him out he should have went about it in a more respectful way(instead of being so brash and aggressive), but some of what's been said about Fletcher on here is a bit harsh IMO. Maybe if some of what Haslett has said about people behind their backs would come out, some opinions on here would change.

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Or it's Snyder and his PR departments newest scandal theyre going to run this off season, thus turning the fan base against Haslett, and his ultimate firing at the end of the season will make us all feel better as if progress is being made. (Don't get me wrong, I never liked Haslett before he came here, I want him gone asap)

And we'll all watch next season when we suck again.

This story is the drama that will keep us watching next year when we're curious to see how the "new defense" looks. It's what we did last year with Gruden and the "new" offense...

I'm still waiting

[B]Snyder got rich off of marketing, he can sell these shitty sub-par rosters to us year in and year out. And we buy it every year. I gotta admit he's talented. [/B]

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[quote=sevier2;1098902]Or it's Snyder and his PR departments newest scandal theyre going to run this off season, thus turning the fan base against Haslett, and his ultimate firing at the end of the season will make us all feel better as if progress is being made. (Don't get me wrong, I never liked Haslett before he came here, I want him gone asap)

And we'll all watch next season when we suck again.

This story is the drama that will keep us watching next year when we're curious to see how the "new defense" looks. It's what we did last year with Gruden and the "new" offense...

I'm still waiting

[B]Snyder got rich off of marketing, he can sell these shitty sub-par rosters to us year in and year out. And we buy it every year. I gotta admit he's talented. [/B][/quote]

Ooh, a conspiracy theory! I love it! The idea that Dan Snyder is a conniving weasel turning the dials of an evil PR machine designed to trick the fans out of their money is very juicy.

I'm definitely planning to watch next season's episode, "The Defense Gets a Makeover". I can't wait to see if the PR department convinces Snyder to go with a 4-3 defense storyline starring Ryan Kerrigan as a DE.

Re: Fletcher slams Haslett
 

[quote=Giantone;1098813]WE don't ,you on the other hand refuse to admit that it wasn't what he said but the manner in which he did it ,that has many people calling him out .If your neighbor thinks your an ass, should he address you or your kids about it ?[/quote]

I have a neighbor who I think is an ass and i have come close to telling him so but my wife has calmed me down by reminding me that we don't want to have a bad relationship with any of our neighbors. My point is that it is London Fletcher's wife's fault that he went off on Haslett.

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[quote=saden1;1098803][B]Chase Hasslett entered the conversation out of his own volition [/B]and we are not talking about a 10 yo here. I do think London shouldn't have addressed him at all since he's not worth responding to but I ain't mad about it.[/quote]

No he didn't. He tweeted that he was disappointed in a person his dad respected and covered for. He didn't tweet that to London directly or ANYBODY for that matter so he didn't enter any conversation.

[quote] ‏@10JICH
Sad someone who was respected so much and loved by my father would publicly come out and try to ruin his career #mindblown[/quote]

London is the one that attacked him so let's not rewrite the events please. It was bush league and apparently the kind of guy Fletch is.