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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1102658]I think you have the right idea but you might have the wrong player. This is a passing league, as you know, and I think having Randy Gregory opposite Ryan Kerrigan would give a major boost to our pass rush. Also, unlike others, I haven't given up on Jason Hatcher as an inside pass rusher. Nevertheless, if Gregory isn't there but Williams is, I suppose the Skins might feel like they have to take Williams.

I wouldn't have a problem with trading down into the the middle of the first round to pick up another second round selection. One or more of Ronnie Staley, Andrus Peat, Brandon Scherff, and La'el Collins should be available in the middle of the first round. Scherff and Collins could probably play RG as well as RT.

Of course, I'm also hoping that the Skins can pick up some OL and DL talent in FA.[/quote]

I would be surprised if they went for Gregory after spending a decent pick on Trent Murphy last season. I suppose a lot will depend on the new DC in terms of what he feels is the key defensive jigsaw piece come draft time. We certainly need to produce a more effective pass rush and get some pieces through FA too for the multiple needs we undoubtedly have.

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[quote=British Andy;1102659]I would be surprised if they went for Gregory after spending a decent pick on Trent Murphy last season. I suppose a lot will depend on the new DC in terms of what he feels is the key defensive jigsaw piece come draft time. We certainly need to produce a more effective pass rush and get some pieces through FA too for the multiple needs we undoubtedly have.[/quote]

You could be right but, so far, Murphy hasn't scared anybody with his pass rushing skills.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1102665]You could be right but, so far, Murphy hasn't scared anybody with his pass rushing skills.[/quote]

Which brings us back to the point that we need to be better at identifying and developing our draft picks.

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Murphy has at least been very solid against the run. Just gotta keep coaching him up. He wasn't a wasted pick.

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If people want to watch the 2 qbs worth drafting in the first, tune in today. Oregon and FSU playing today. Marcus is gonna play a real defense today, not that pac 10 garbage

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[quote=Chico23231;1102671]If people want to watch the 2 qbs worth drafting in the first, tune in today. Oregon and FSU playing today. Marcus is gonna play a real defense today, not that pac 10 garbage[/quote]

Prediction: Oregon wins

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[quote=Chico23231;1102671]If people want to watch the 2 qbs worth drafting in the first, tune in today. Oregon and FSU playing today. Marcus is gonna play a real defense today, not that pac 10 garbage[/quote]

Yup. It should be renamed the Quarterback Showcase Bowl. Let's see if anyone has a Vince Young-like bowl moment that pushes them up the draft.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1102683]Prediction: Oregon wins[/quote]

Yeah I'm leaning that way

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[quote=Mattyk;1102668]Murphy has at least been very solid against the run. Just gotta keep coaching him up. He wasn't a wasted pick.[/quote]

Disagree. He's absolutely terrible.

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[quote=mbedner3420;1102693]Disagree. He's absolutely terrible.[/quote]

Guess you didn't watch him too much?

[url=http://nflbreakdowns.com/redskins-rookie-trent-murphy/]Rookie Recap: Trent Murphy - 2.5 sacks, 6 hits, 15 hurries[/url]

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[quote=mbedner3420;1102693]Disagree. He's absolutely terrible.[/quote]

He's not bad. He's just not Kerrigan.

Plenty of time for him to develop into that though. I think he has upside still.

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[quote=Mattyk;1102695]Guess you didn't watch him too much?

[url=http://nflbreakdowns.com/redskins-rookie-trent-murphy/]Rookie Recap: Trent Murphy - 2.5 sacks, 6 hits, 15 hurries[/url][/quote]

I watched him enough to see him completely botch angles and get juked out by stationary buc tackles.

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I really think we should draft best available safety. But we need sleeper free agency, address the oline there with proven talent. No luavos. We sucked bad, now we finally have a top pick. Lets stop trading things please. Just let it all happen.

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Also, if we are using those particular stats as metrics to justify whether a player is good or not, then we are stacked at Strong Safety! Meriweather had three sacks!

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[quote=mbedner3420;1102701]Also, if we are using those particular stats as metrics to justify whether a player is good or not, then we are stacked at Strong Safety! Meriweather had three sacks![/quote]

I'm not even looking at stats. There's enough tape to show he's anything but terrible.

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[quote=Mattyk;1102702]I'm not even looking at stats. There's enough tape to show he's anything but terrible.[/quote]

Wait, what? Your justification for why he is good is based on an article that delves into those stats.

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[quote=Chico23231;1102671]If people want to watch the 2 qbs worth drafting in the first, tune in today. Oregon and FSU playing today. Marcus is gonna play a real defense today, not that pac 10 garbage[/quote]

I am only seeing one QB worth drafting in the first in that matchup

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Murphy was BEAST against the run. Giving up on him after ONE SEASON is very Redskins-fan of us. He was great holding the edge. I don't remember Orakpo dominating his first year except against that Raiders 5th string tackle. Same with Kerrigan.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1102705]Murphy was BEAST against the run. Giving up on him after ONE SEASON is very Redskins-fan of us. He was great holding the edge. I don't remember Orakpo dominating his first year except against that Raiders 5th string tackle. Same with Kerrigan.[/quote]

Orakpo had 11 sacks his first year (7 without those four from Oakland). Kerrigan had 7.5 sacks.

I'm glad Murphy is good against the run, but he was brought here to be a pass rusher, and he doesn't seem to rush the passer very well.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1102705]Murphy was BEAST against the run. Giving up on him after ONE SEASON is very Redskins-fan of us. He was great holding the edge. I don't remember Orakpo dominating his first year except against that Raiders 5th string tackle. Same with Kerrigan.[/quote]

Yes he is superb against the run, he can be coached up to rush the passer and adding a good D lineman or 2 that can collapse the pocket from within will only help.

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[quote=mbedner3420;1102706]Orakpo had 11 sacks his first year (7 without those four from Oakland). Kerrigan had 7.5 sacks.

I'm glad Murphy is good against the run, but he was brought here to be a pass rusher, and he doesn't seem to rush the passer very well.[/quote]

He was brought in as a situational pass rusher who didn't start all 16 games like Kerrigan and Rak did their rookie seasons

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[quote=Mattyk;1102695]Guess you didn't watch him too much?

[url=http://nflbreakdowns.com/redskins-rookie-trent-murphy/]Rookie Recap: Trent Murphy - 2.5 sacks, 6 hits, 15 hurries[/url][/quote]

Play 10, I'm still mad about that no call holding in the end zone against the cowsh*ts.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1102708]He was brought in as a situational pass rusher who didn't start all 16 games like Kerrigan and Raj did their rookie seasons[/quote]

Exactly.

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[quote=mbedner3420;1102703]Wait, what? Your justification for why he is good is based on an article that delves into those stats.[/quote]

The breakdown I posted goes deeper than stats.

But if stats are what you're hung up on check his numbers after week 8.

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Mariota vs Winston going on, I like Mariota.

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Murphy is a decent player I don't see him.as a difference maker but he'll always be a solid option. Mariota looks good but I just never trust Oregon Qbs

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Both qb look meh to me. Even stats in the first half, Marcus threw a int. Winston over throws receivers constantly. 2nd half has belong to Winston this season, let's see if it continues

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1102728]Mariota vs Winston going on, I like Mariota.[/quote]

Winston is so much better than Mariota for the NFL game. Not even close. He makes more stick throws vs Mariota who throws a bunch of WR screens.

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Winston definitely is more pro ready but that windup of his is a killer. Like with Tebow, arm strength allows him to get away with it in college but the NFL is different.

Mariota has the classic skillset that thrives in a college spread but really struggles in the pros.

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Lol what the hell did Winston just do there?


I wouldn't take either of these guys at qb.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1102750]Winston is so much better than Mariota for the NFL game. Not even close. He makes more stick throws vs Mariota who throws a bunch of WR screens.[/quote]

saw 2 nice long passes for both TD's by Mariota and lots of bonehead plays by Winston, like just now.

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Now he's giving his coach shit? He slides into the 2nd or 3rd round because of his character issues.

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Winston is cam without the legs. I'm telling u he's not going to be a great QB in the nfl. Just an average one imo

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1102758]saw 2 nice long passes for both TD's by Mariota and lots of [B]bonehead plays by Winston[/B], like just now.[/quote]

He's gonna be hearing about that last fumble for years and years, much to his displeasure.

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[quote=Chico23231;1102757]Lol what the hell did Winston just do there?


I wouldn't take either of these guys at qb.[/quote]

I might take Winston in a late round. But only then.

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Is Haslett the DC for Florida State? :)

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I LOL but I hate gimmick offenses. Baylor/Georgia Tech/Oregon all drive me insane. The results speak for themselves, but when you look at NFL players that are truly successful (Calvin Johnson) and not journeymen, those schools mostly are awful at developing offensive NFL talent.

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[quote=Lotus;1102767]I might take Winston in a late round. But only then.[/quote]

[url=http://deadspin.com/jimbo-fisher-threatens-to-bench-jameis-winston-1677020583]Jimbo Fisher Threatens To Bench Jameis Winston[/url]

Major problem is this, Winston doesn't seem mature enough to be a nfl qb. I'd seriously worry about him if he was here during a losing streak aka our entire season. Could you imagine the dc media destroying him weekly?

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The last thing we need to be thinking about is drafting a qb with all the massive holes on this team. We need three new starting offensive linemen, a nose tackle, and defensive end. We need at least two big wr, big te, third down back, return special, two starting safeties. Robert Griffin and Kirk Cousins got their issues, but I'm not ready to get give up on either one. We need to focus on building our fronts. A dominate offensive improves both the running and passing game. At the moment, we have a well below average OL.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1102760]Now he's giving his coach shit? He slides into the 2nd or 3rd round because of his[B] character issues[/B].[/quote]

Ahhhhh the two words that have fans regret not taking players 2 to 3 years down the line